Boom. Socialists are so stupid

Boom. Socialists are so stupid.

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Well it's true. The left wants to turn the West into Venezuela. Why don't they just move there if they think socialism is so great?

Get ready for lots of (You)s

Why pick Venezuela as an argument when it would have remained a massive shithole no matter what type of government ran it? It's like people using Somalia as an excuse on why libertarianism doesn't work

All from the usual leftist peanut gallery who won't actually disprove or deny it, but just hurl abuse.

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Yeah they are so dumb kek

Venezuela was actually one of the richest nations in the world in the 50s and 60s. It was Chzvez and his socialist thugs who ran it into the ground.

>greed is only because of capitalism and it will stop when the entire world goes communists and that will finally make communism work

this is what they actually believe

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>the left wants to turn the West into Venezuela
They want a Nordic style system, that's literally all she's calling for

>Who made the phone/computer you're shitposting from?
A private corporation
>Who made the clothes you're wearing?
A private corporation
>Where you did you get the food you are eating
From a private corporation

Etc etc. You'd be dead without capitalism.

Cringe.

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protip: national socialism is the answer

>Who made the phone/computer you're shitposting from?
Workers
>Who made the clothes you're wearing?
Workers
>Where you did you get the food you are eating
Workers

hi mate. can you please direct all your gang weed GAMER memes here please

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Nope. she's copying the Chzvez model: Free, this free that, tax the rich, stop private enterprise etc. How did that work out for Venezuela?

Who gave those workers the job to do those things? A corporation.

>current year
>being c*pitalist

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>Free, this free that
Proof? She want's free public education and healthcare, things that are already a given right in a lot of Europe.
>tax the rich
Yes a higher tax on the rich like the nordic countries have
>stop private enterprise
Where did she call for a ban on private enterpise?

He's right though. If you love socialism and hate capitalism so much, then why don't you move to a socialist country?

Let's see how long you champagne socialists will really last.

>Venezuela is poor because of socialism
The state of those brainlets

>Who gave those workers the job to do those things?
What like their tools, machinery, and information? More workers.
>then why don't you move to a socialist country?
Moving to a nordic country, like what she wants to emulate, would result in a much higher quality of life.

Yeah a planned economy where most things are in hands of the government isn't socialism right?

>Using Europe as a good example

Kek, Europe is stagnating and failing, socially and economically, and that's precisely because of their obsession with socialism and welfare. America is booming because Trump has given capitalism free reign.

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AOC is a self described "democratic socialist"

Democratic socialists believe in:

>Destroying the marketplace. The marketplace is unimportant. What customers want is unimportant.
>What labor wants is all that matters.
>Elected and government officials are more important than the marketplace.
>Investors steal from workers, so there should be no investors. Where you get the money to start a new business doesn’t matter.
>Investors don’t need to be paid back.

Socialists and socialism in all its forms is the same thing, a destroyer of economies.

Socialism will take you back to the feudal and slave societies. Capitalism is what freed humanity from that, idiot.

>Venezuela
>planned economy
Just Google that shit senpai
How is any of what you mentioned socialism?
I don't remember Marx writing about how customers are important and how there should be private property in the first place, he's quite famous for the opposite actually.
What you're describing is the parody of a social-democrat trying to appeal to working class citizens
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
>Capitalism is what freed humanity from that, idiot.
Yes that successful freedom that was achieved in India, South-East Asia, Africa, South-America, the Middle-East, all places that were freed from Feudalism and slave societies, right?

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>Capitalism is what freed humanity from that, idiot.
[citation needed]

Listen here you dumb baiting cunt. Workers by themselves are fucking nothing. How are you gonna find a dude to buy a tool from if there are no shops or Google or even steel mills because all those things require someone to be in charge and direct the ((workers)) to tell them what they should do.

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>new American left wants healthcare, social welfare, and labour laws like several European countries already have
>old American boomer right incoherently yells about Venezuela (with an occasional sprinkle of Cuba, North Korea, and the Soviet Union)

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>being a 1st world communist
MEGA YIKES

The market should serve the people, not the other way around.

So whatever happened to mixed markets or is that socialism now as well

Stupid young fools want "free" gibs.
Democracy delivers.

It isn't when the private sector percentage under the """socialist""" government literally increases

Not trying to be edgy or anything but Marx is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind and the working class

Socialists just can't answer this simple question: how will you PAY for all your "free " programs?

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They do actually, 70% tax.

I love Socialism

Chavez didn’t take power on January 1st 1970 you retard

*AHEM*
Venezuela
*libtard destroyed*

>Cuckkng yourself to think that unless you suck corporate cock your country will go from a first world nation to a country resembling Venezuela, a nation that is neither socialist nor exempt from America’s campaign to ensure no nation on their continent becomes a threat.

No he wasn't, brainlet thugs who skimread Marx, tacked their own authoritarian and militaristic bullshit on top and took arms were

you can also remove taxes entirely and just make everything country's property
that would solve everything

>New York Post
Ayy lmao.
下げる。

When has this gimmick ever been funny? Australians are such garbage posters now, they really should be rangebanned.

The Great War was the worst thing that happened to mankind. Literally destroyed at least two generations, gave birth to c*mmunism, Hitler, destroyed monarchies and by proxy even slightly fascist/nationalist ideologies. Fuck that Serbian cunt

Ironically the US is gonna look a lot more like a Latin American under its crony capitalist system thanks to the mass importation of a cheap labour force

>Defending free markets and disproving socialism is now a gimmick

What?

"Socialist countries" have a tendency of their governments being undermined by the USA, often with open military support for violent overthrows.
History doesn't go away even if you ignore it.

The only way to have a truly free market is to have the owners of enterprise being the same people who generate capital. This cannot exist within a capitalist paradigm, since corporate corruption of the market and oligarchy is built into the system.
You're all for "human nature", right? Don't start trying to deny it now.

>wahhh socialism only failed because america defeated socialism over and over

If socialism was so great, then why didn't those governments overcome what the US did? Name ONE socialist country that has been successful for at least a decade. ONE.

>"Socialist countries" have a tendency of their governments being undermined by the USA
Says who?

All societies end up subsidising something. It’s either social services and other services/products that people need and want or in our “trickle-down” economies it all goes to businesses as tax reductions to encourage them to expand and produce capital and jobs.

However when the common person feels on edge while public services are cut to afford these,tax breaks, they spend less. The businesses that got these subsidies decide the economy is slow and end up not only pocketing their subsidies but also end up sacking their workforce, citing an uncertain economy.

This is part of why all first world nations are in huge debt. So many investments into the rich that will never pay off.

>brainlet thugs
Lenin
>who skimread Marx
jaiks

Are you implying that tax reductions are akin to subsidies?

Well the USSR... it went from a poor agricultural country to something that caused the west to wet their little knickers in the years between 1951 and putting a man in space in 1961.

Yes. Do you think tax reductions are free?

The average Soviet lived in poverty. They never had the wealth that people in capitalist America or Western Europe did.

>Name ONE socialist country that has been successful for at least a decade. ONE.
The USSR, you fucking idiot. You really have no fucking clue about these things, do you? Both the USSR and China have pulled more people out of poverty than any other countries on the planet, combined.

History, you fucking idiot. The USA has been on a rampage to destroy "communism", which they used as justification to overthrow governments of countries they didn't like and install their own puppets. Even last fucking year, Trump was openly talking about a military invasion of Venezuela.
How are you people so fucking ignorant?

I really count on her. She has influence and it need to use it.

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They also murdered more people than any other countries on the planet combined. How's that for a success rate?

>Says peaceful on a weekend France

>Special Ed kids argue about economies without having an background in economics and use strawmen for the 50th time this month

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>from a poor agricultural country
Fake news.

>They never had the wealth that people in capitalist America or Western Europe did.
Neither did not Western Europeans or Americans. You really have absolutely no fucking idea about any of this.

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The average westerner lives in poverty when compared to the upper privialged echelons of our societies.

The difference is that the gap is much, much larger under capitalism.

Reducing tax is not "subsidizing" businesses you mongoloid. It's not taking from them as much in the first place to pay for actual subsidized stuff.
So you got no concrete sources or evidence gotcha famalam

>Trump has given capitalism free reign
Are tariffs now considered free market capitalism?

Cooperatives are an actual thing, you literal retard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

>Western Europe was poor during the Cold War

ok lol

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Didn't you still have serfdom in 1917?

>Living in an atomised hellscape in which you're constantly being subjected to brain mushing propaganda, to poor to ever be able to raise a family, ingesting estrogenic chemicals every time you eat, while your country is invaded by people who hate you and can't wait to fuck you over.
But hey, 4k flatscreens are cheaper than ever!

Yeah because the upper privileged echelons of Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba etc are starving, unemployed and impoverished like the average citizen of those countries?

No it is subsiding because businesses operate within and they also cost society. Tax exist so that these businesses pay their dues to society.

If you reduce what they pay in tax then it inevitably starts costing society at large. Hence why we have the 1%, they own so much of what society has produced while paying very little in tax back to the producers of their wealth.

It literally was, it was less industrialized than Western Europe and part of that industry was owned by French and British capital.

They were one of the best LA countries incompetent socialist policies fucked them.

>socialism is the best model for economic growt---....

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How is that fundamentally different from a "classic" corporation? You still got your CEOs and middle-managers and basic grunts. Oh CEOs don't earn 200x times as much as a grunt what an achievement.
>It’s worker owned, it’s not worker managed
Literally Apple pays in stock to its employees to achieve the same result.

>Memezuela

>The USSR, you fucking idiot. You really have no fucking clue about these things, do you? Both the USSR and China have pulled more people out of poverty than any other countries on the planet, combined.

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But I don’t see the Prime Minister of Australia with a meth problem like many impoverished Australians do.

This is tit-for-tat, of course certain people will always have more, but having a middle class above the impoverished doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

So long as a lower class exists. No western country can claim that capitalism is morally and practically superior to socialism which we have only seen in poor, third world nations.

If you're old enough to remember, a lot of liberals were on the Venezuela boat during the Bush years because Chavez hated him. There was definitely a lot of celebrating Venezuela's socialist system

>tfw we are the only one who got worse

At 1910 Russian empire was the world’s fourth-largest producer of steel and its second-largest source of petroleum.New railways allowed transport into remote parts of the empire, allowing the construction and operation of factories, mines, dams and other projects there. Russia’s industrial economy had progressed more in one decade than it had in the previous century.

You realize that the Volkswagen and Nestle are not the only businesses around?

It went to shit in the 80s. A lot of things the US media blames on Chavez started years before he took power and just got worse while he was in power.

Okay so bolsheviks got their wealth at Russia’s expense rather than India’s, the Native American’s or the aboriginal Australians.

History sucks.

How did Americans manage to convince themselves that universal healthcare -- something most developed capitalist nations have -- will lead to Venezuela-tier failed state?

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>most things are in hands of the government
Venezuela has a huge private sector.

No I realise that most businesses like to act as if they operating at a loss and therefore need easier taxes like Amazon.

Yep, you had people like Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn openly singing Venezuela's praises. When will they ever apologise?

Take it From someone who has many Venezuelan friends who fled and now study here. They really don't have a big private sector. It's the same with China their official statistics do not make sense and definitely are fabricated to the max.

First of all that's bullshit. Second of all a lot of self-described socialists here are actually social democrats.

Because they think that being a millionaire also makes you an authority on morality.

Because it will, you don't understand how fucked our health care system is, it's way past the point where we can successfully implement universal health care. It probably would have worked when Nixon tried it, but unironically, liberals said no. We're also a very unhealthy country.

Don't quite think you know how our Banana republics worked there bud

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