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Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

Boom. Socialists are so stupid.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
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youtube.com/watch?v=X1UucF11oms

Levi Nguyen
Levi Nguyen

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Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

that one autistic brit who replies seriously to lachlan threads

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

Well it's true. The left wants to turn the West into Venezuela. Why don't they just move there if they think socialism is so great?

Gabriel Cook
Gabriel Cook

Get ready for lots of (You)s

Kevin Jackson
Kevin Jackson

Why pick Venezuela as an argument when it would have remained a massive shithole no matter what type of government ran it? It's like people using Somalia as an excuse on why libertarianism doesn't work

Jacob Nelson
Jacob Nelson

All from the usual leftist peanut gallery who won't actually disprove or deny it, but just hurl abuse.

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

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Noah Sanders
Noah Sanders

Yeah they are so dumb kek

Josiah Ward
Josiah Ward

Venezuela was actually one of the richest nations in the world in the 50s and 60s. It was Chzvez and his socialist thugs who ran it into the ground.

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

greed is only because of capitalism and it will stop when the entire world goes communists and that will finally make communism work

this is what they actually believe

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Jackson Cooper
Jackson Cooper

the left wants to turn the West into Venezuela
They want a Nordic style system, that's literally all she's calling for

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

Who made the phone/computer you're shitposting from?
A private corporation
Who made the clothes you're wearing?
A private corporation
Where you did you get the food you are eating
From a private corporation

Etc etc. You'd be dead without capitalism.

Brayden Jenkins
Brayden Jenkins

Cringe.

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Sebastian Harris
Sebastian Harris

protip: national socialism is the answer

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

Who made the phone/computer you're shitposting from?
Workers
Who made the clothes you're wearing?
Workers
Where you did you get the food you are eating
Workers

Jayden Turner
Jayden Turner

hi mate. can you please direct all your gang weed GAMER memes here please

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Blake Morales
Blake Morales

Nope. she's copying the Chzvez model: Free, this free that, tax the rich, stop private enterprise etc. How did that work out for Venezuela?

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

Who gave those workers the job to do those things? A corporation.

Alexander Cook
Alexander Cook

current year
being c*pitalist

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Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

Free, this free that
Proof? She want's free public education and healthcare, things that are already a given right in a lot of Europe.
tax the rich
Yes a higher tax on the rich like the nordic countries have
stop private enterprise
Where did she call for a ban on private enterpise?

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

He's right though. If you love socialism and hate capitalism so much, then why don't you move to a socialist country?

Let's see how long you champagne socialists will really last.

Alexander Smith
Alexander Smith

Venezuela is poor because of socialism
The state of those brainlets

Dylan Bailey
Dylan Bailey

Who gave those workers the job to do those things?
What like their tools, machinery, and information? More workers.
then why don't you move to a socialist country?
Moving to a nordic country, like what she wants to emulate, would result in a much higher quality of life.

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

Yeah a planned economy where most things are in hands of the government isn't socialism right?

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

Using Europe as a good example

Kek, Europe is stagnating and failing, socially and economically, and that's precisely because of their obsession with socialism and welfare. America is booming because Trump has given capitalism free reign.

Daniel Wilson
Daniel Wilson

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Hunter Ward
Hunter Ward

AOC is a self described "democratic socialist"

Democratic socialists believe in:

Destroying the marketplace. The marketplace is unimportant. What customers want is unimportant.
What labor wants is all that matters.
Elected and government officials are more important than the marketplace.
Investors steal from workers, so there should be no investors. Where you get the money to start a new business doesn’t matter.
Investors don’t need to be paid back.

Socialists and socialism in all its forms is the same thing, a destroyer of economies.

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

Socialism will take you back to the feudal and slave societies. Capitalism is what freed humanity from that, idiot.

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

Venezuela
planned economy
Just Google that shit senpai
How is any of what you mentioned socialism?
I don't remember Marx writing about how customers are important and how there should be private property in the first place, he's quite famous for the opposite actually.
What you're describing is the parody of a social-democrat trying to appeal to working class citizens
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Capitalism is what freed humanity from that, idiot.
Yes that successful freedom that was achieved in India, South-East Asia, Africa, South-America, the Middle-East, all places that were freed from Feudalism and slave societies, right?

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Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

Capitalism is what freed humanity from that, idiot.
[citation needed]

Jonathan Myers
Jonathan Myers

Listen here you dumb baiting cunt. Workers by themselves are fucking nothing. How are you gonna find a dude to buy a tool from if there are no shops or Google or even steel mills because all those things require someone to be in charge and direct the ((workers)) to tell them what they should do.

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Austin Walker
Austin Walker

new American left wants healthcare, social welfare, and labour laws like several European countries already have
old American boomer right incoherently yells about Venezuela (with an occasional sprinkle of Cuba, North Korea, and the Soviet Union)

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Aaron Peterson
Aaron Peterson

being a 1st world communist
MEGA YIKES

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

The market should serve the people, not the other way around.

Xavier Russell
Xavier Russell

So whatever happened to mixed markets or is that socialism now as well

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

Stupid young fools want "free" gibs.
Democracy delivers.

Jaxon Rivera
Jaxon Rivera

It isn't when the private sector percentage under the """socialist""" government literally increases

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

Not trying to be edgy or anything but Marx is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind and the working class

Leo Jenkins
Leo Jenkins

Socialists just can't answer this simple question: how will you PAY for all your "free " programs?

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Gabriel Gutierrez
Gabriel Gutierrez

They do actually, 70% tax.

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

I love Socialism

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

Chavez didn’t take power on January 1st 1970 you retard

Logan Fisher
Logan Fisher

*AHEM*
Venezuela
*libtard destroyed*

Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

Cuckkng yourself to think that unless you suck corporate cock your country will go from a first world nation to a country resembling Venezuela, a nation that is neither socialist nor exempt from America’s campaign to ensure no nation on their continent becomes a threat.

Hunter Sullivan
Hunter Sullivan

No he wasn't, brainlet thugs who skimread Marx, tacked their own authoritarian and militaristic bullshit on top and took arms were

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

you can also remove taxes entirely and just make everything country's property
that would solve everything

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

New York Post
Ayy lmao.
下げる。

Jordan Morris
Jordan Morris

When has this gimmick ever been funny? Australians are such garbage posters now, they really should be rangebanned.

Jacob Flores
Jacob Flores

The Great War was the worst thing that happened to mankind. Literally destroyed at least two generations, gave birth to c*mmunism, Hitler, destroyed monarchies and by proxy even slightly fascist/nationalist ideologies. Fuck that Serbian cunt

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

Ironically the US is gonna look a lot more like a Latin American under its crony capitalist system thanks to the mass importation of a cheap labour force

David Wilson
David Wilson

Defending free markets and disproving socialism is now a gimmick

What?

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

"Socialist countries" have a tendency of their governments being undermined by the USA, often with open military support for violent overthrows.
History doesn't go away even if you ignore it.

Justin James
Justin James

The only way to have a truly free market is to have the owners of enterprise being the same people who generate capital. This cannot exist within a capitalist paradigm, since corporate corruption of the market and oligarchy is built into the system.
You're all for "human nature", right? Don't start trying to deny it now.

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

wahhh socialism only failed because america defeated socialism over and over

If socialism was so great, then why didn't those governments overcome what the US did? Name ONE socialist country that has been successful for at least a decade. ONE.

Matthew Hughes
Matthew Hughes

"Socialist countries" have a tendency of their governments being undermined by the USA
Says who?

Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

All societies end up subsidising something. It’s either social services and other services/products that people need and want or in our “trickle-down” economies it all goes to businesses as tax reductions to encourage them to expand and produce capital and jobs.

However when the common person feels on edge while public services are cut to afford these,tax breaks, they spend less. The businesses that got these subsidies decide the economy is slow and end up not only pocketing their subsidies but also end up sacking their workforce, citing an uncertain economy.

This is part of why all first world nations are in huge debt. So many investments into the rich that will never pay off.

Hunter Perez
Hunter Perez

brainlet thugs
Lenin
who skimread Marx
jaiks

Christopher Edwards
Christopher Edwards

Are you implying that tax reductions are akin to subsidies?

Camden Hall
Camden Hall

Well the USSR... it went from a poor agricultural country to something that caused the west to wet their little knickers in the years between 1951 and putting a man in space in 1961.

Nathan Bailey
Nathan Bailey

Yes. Do you think tax reductions are free?

Lincoln Martin
Lincoln Martin

The average Soviet lived in poverty. They never had the wealth that people in capitalist America or Western Europe did.

Camden Davis
Camden Davis

Name ONE socialist country that has been successful for at least a decade. ONE.
The USSR, you fucking idiot. You really have no fucking clue about these things, do you? Both the USSR and China have pulled more people out of poverty than any other countries on the planet, combined.

History, you fucking idiot. The USA has been on a rampage to destroy "communism", which they used as justification to overthrow governments of countries they didn't like and install their own puppets. Even last fucking year, Trump was openly talking about a military invasion of Venezuela.
How are you people so fucking ignorant?

William Murphy
William Murphy

I really count on her. She has influence and it need to use it.

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Liam Powell
Liam Powell

They also murdered more people than any other countries on the planet combined. How's that for a success rate?

Charles Jenkins
Charles Jenkins

Says peaceful on a weekend France

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

Special Ed kids argue about economies without having an background in economics and use strawmen for the 50th time this month

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Kayden Morris
Kayden Morris

from a poor agricultural country
Fake news.

Ethan King
Ethan King

They never had the wealth that people in capitalist America or Western Europe did.
Neither did not Western Europeans or Americans. You really have absolutely no fucking idea about any of this.

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Jeremiah Reed
Jeremiah Reed

The average westerner lives in poverty when compared to the upper privialged echelons of our societies.

The difference is that the gap is much, much larger under capitalism.

Zachary Wood
Zachary Wood

Reducing tax is not "subsidizing" businesses you mongoloid. It's not taking from them as much in the first place to pay for actual subsidized stuff.
So you got no concrete sources or evidence gotcha famalam

Camden Turner
Camden Turner

Trump has given capitalism free reign
Are tariffs now considered free market capitalism?

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

Cooperatives are an actual thing, you literal retard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

Western Europe was poor during the Cold War

ok lol

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Lincoln Butler
Lincoln Butler

Didn't you still have serfdom in 1917?

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

Living in an atomised hellscape in which you're constantly being subjected to brain mushing propaganda, to poor to ever be able to raise a family, ingesting estrogenic chemicals every time you eat, while your country is invaded by people who hate you and can't wait to fuck you over.
But hey, 4k flatscreens are cheaper than ever!

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

Yeah because the upper privileged echelons of Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba etc are starving, unemployed and impoverished like the average citizen of those countries?

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

No it is subsiding because businesses operate within and they also cost society. Tax exist so that these businesses pay their dues to society.

If you reduce what they pay in tax then it inevitably starts costing society at large. Hence why we have the 1%, they own so much of what society has produced while paying very little in tax back to the producers of their wealth.

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

It literally was, it was less industrialized than Western Europe and part of that industry was owned by French and British capital.

Bentley Gutierrez
Bentley Gutierrez

They were one of the best LA countries incompetent socialist policies fucked them.

Cameron Gray
Cameron Gray

socialism is the best model for economic growt---....

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Aaron Adams
Aaron Adams

How is that fundamentally different from a "classic" corporation? You still got your CEOs and middle-managers and basic grunts. Oh CEOs don't earn 200x times as much as a grunt what an achievement.
It’s worker owned, it’s not worker managed
Literally Apple pays in stock to its employees to achieve the same result.

Jordan Martin
Jordan Martin

Memezuela

Isaiah Perez
Isaiah Perez

The USSR, you fucking idiot. You really have no fucking clue about these things, do you? Both the USSR and China have pulled more people out of poverty than any other countries on the planet, combined.

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Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

But I don’t see the Prime Minister of Australia with a meth problem like many impoverished Australians do.

This is tit-for-tat, of course certain people will always have more, but having a middle class above the impoverished doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

So long as a lower class exists. No western country can claim that capitalism is morally and practically superior to socialism which we have only seen in poor, third world nations.

Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

If you're old enough to remember, a lot of liberals were on the Venezuela boat during the Bush years because Chavez hated him. There was definitely a lot of celebrating Venezuela's socialist system

Kevin Johnson
Kevin Johnson

tfw we are the only one who got worse

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

At 1910 Russian empire was the world’s fourth-largest producer of steel and its second-largest source of petroleum.New railways allowed transport into remote parts of the empire, allowing the construction and operation of factories, mines, dams and other projects there. Russia’s industrial economy had progressed more in one decade than it had in the previous century.

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

You realize that the Volkswagen and Nestle are not the only businesses around?

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

It went to shit in the 80s. A lot of things the US media blames on Chavez started years before he took power and just got worse while he was in power.

Oliver Richardson
Oliver Richardson

Okay so bolsheviks got their wealth at Russia’s expense rather than India’s, the Native American’s or the aboriginal Australians.

History sucks.

Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

How did Americans manage to convince themselves that universal healthcare -- something most developed capitalist nations have -- will lead to Venezuela-tier failed state?

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Robert Jones
Robert Jones

most things are in hands of the government
Venezuela has a huge private sector.

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

No I realise that most businesses like to act as if they operating at a loss and therefore need easier taxes like Amazon.

Landon Gutierrez
Landon Gutierrez

Yep, you had people like Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn openly singing Venezuela's praises. When will they ever apologise?

Caleb Perez
Caleb Perez

Take it From someone who has many Venezuelan friends who fled and now study here. They really don't have a big private sector. It's the same with China their official statistics do not make sense and definitely are fabricated to the max.

Mason Peterson
Mason Peterson

First of all that's bullshit. Second of all a lot of self-described socialists here are actually social democrats.

Carson Price
Carson Price

Because they think that being a millionaire also makes you an authority on morality.

Benjamin Flores
Benjamin Flores

Because it will, you don't understand how fucked our health care system is, it's way past the point where we can successfully implement universal health care. It probably would have worked when Nixon tried it, but unironically, liberals said no. We're also a very unhealthy country.

Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

Don't quite think you know how our Banana republics worked there bud

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Joshua Hall
Joshua Hall

unironic commies and other idiots arguing about socialism on Jow Forums

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William Bennett
William Bennett

Nobody has still explained how you will pay for free healthcare for a nation of over 300 million people.

Camden Ross
Camden Ross

And that's ok because we suffered instead of niggers?
You're detached from reality. There are a lot of small to medium businesses that suffer because proxy communists like you keep pushing for more tax and regulation like that's somehow a good thing

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

Europe is stagnating and failing, socially and economically,
Top kek
that's precisely because of their obsession with socialism and welfare
Tip top kek
America is booming
Tippity top kek
because Trump has given capitalism free reign
Tip top tippity toppity toppest kek

Owen Murphy
Owen Murphy

The woman in OP is an actual socialist.

Jaxson Butler
Jaxson Butler

Top kek
We are though. Our growth has slowed tremendously and has no prospect of looking better with the ECB not having a tool to stimulate anymore.

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Camden Morales
Camden Morales

Actually communism usually ended feudalism in the countries where it popped up.

Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

Not an argument

Austin Rogers
Austin Rogers

So what? USSR produced even more stuff yet it was a poor shithole.

A manager in a cooperative is still a worker and fulfills that role by being democratically elected to do so. Not even a communist, I just don't fall for le owners are a mastermind leading mindless drones meme.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

Nope, instead of being owned by the King, the people became owned by the Politburo

Lucas Lewis
Lucas Lewis

The reason why tax keeps on harming the wrong people is because big business have entire departments dedicated to finding ways to avoid paying tax at all.

I get you’re Ukrainian and think Communism is Russian imperialism, but you’re a total cuck to think society should favour business before the citizen. What are businesses made up of after all?

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

Actually Mao outdid them.

Brody Butler
Brody Butler

this
Every time I get butthurt when kids from the first world talk about the benefits of socialism.

Justin Bennett
Justin Bennett

useful idiots

Gavin Russell
Gavin Russell

Russia abolished serfdom in the 1860s. The majority of the population still lived as peasant farmers though.

Adam Jenkins
Adam Jenkins

at the end of the day socialists want to take from those that don't work so they don't have to, killing incentive in an economy, and creating a society of beggars.

Eli Flores
Eli Flores

Why? Russian communism is not the only form of socialism that could possibly exist. In fact communism was never intended for an agricultural country that the Russian empire was in 1917.

Therefore you have no standing to criticise socialists.

Aaron Johnson
Aaron Johnson

more people than any other countries on the planet combined
Kek, now this just has to be a lefty doing satire.

Dylan Russell
Dylan Russell

At least in modern times. The USSR and China combined are responsible for the deaths of 200 million MINIMUM. What other nation comes close?

Samuel Rivera
Samuel Rivera

I get you’re Ukrainian and think Communism is Russian imperialism, but you’re a total cuck to think society should favour business before the citizen. What are businesses made up of after all?
The bolsheviks killed 30 million people in Ukraine, Russia and other parts of the former Russian Empire. You must have a special mental gymnastics to love socialism.

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

like the average citizen of those countries?
Those counties have a ton of things separating them. North Korea follows an ideology centered on nationalism and national self-reliance. Venezuela is a populist state gone sour. Cuba is a Marxist-Leninist country that has allowed some liberalization.
Btw North Korea hasn't been starving since the early 2000s, and Cuba definitely isn't starving.

Luke Butler
Luke Butler

In fact communism was never intended
Every. Fucking. Time.

Thomas Diaz
Thomas Diaz

Can a grunt be elected to become a CEO?
I think you're a massive idiot.
tax keeps on harming the wrong people is because big business have entire departments dedicated to finding ways to avoid paying tax at all
Lets tax the wrong people more then.
society should favour business before the citizen
Business is the citizen. Business owner is a dude that lives in the same apartment building as you and owns a shop on the ground floor. You're absolutely delusional if you think that harming him somehow helps the society.

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

Not even The Black Book of Communism, hell, not even Robert Conquest's or Rudolph Rummel's meme estimates give that high of a death toll, man.

Anthony Ross
Anthony Ross

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James Diaz
James Diaz

I'm not even sure that's demographically possible.

Zachary Green
Zachary Green

Socialism is good - just not for South America.

Hudson Green
Hudson Green

seething commulist

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Gabriel Lee
Gabriel Lee

Bullshit. Socialism is to create the true economic freedom required to allow individuals follow their aspirations and dreams.

Accepting that all people need to work, Socialism guarantees continued employment and support while someone is developing something new. Can you imagine how many people have had a great new idea but didn’t pursue because they needed to dedicate themselves to their shitty job less they upset their boss?

Only the sociopathically confident pursue their goals and they often have to make large sacrifices anyway.

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

Because it doesn’t stop being the truth.

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

He's not wrong, at least in line with Marx's ideas. Marx predicted that socialism and communism would arise in developed countries like the UK, France, and Germany. Lenin was the one who adapted Marx's ideas for a less developed country and used it to justify the shit he did.

Liam Bell
Liam Bell

real socialism hasn’t been tried!!!!

Fuck off

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Juan Walker
Juan Walker

Of fuck off calling me delusional. My boss lives I’m the same apartment as me, does he?

Bill Gates lives in the same building as his tech support staff? You stupid prat.

Ayden Ramirez
Ayden Ramirez

Whoever made this image is probably retarded.
Also I never said that.

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

As i said you're delusional if you think only of the 0.01% of businesses when you hear "business".

Oliver Lewis
Oliver Lewis

She's part of a communist american organization that openly rejects the scandinavian model

she FLAT OUT SAYS you should nationalize all significant industry, you dumb fuck

Jackson Turner
Jackson Turner

Socialists btfo

youtube.com/watch?v=X1UucF11oms

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

I think all of those 1% businesses start the same way the other 99% do as well and also operate in the same way.

Your time and effort is profit for someone else, we only have so much time in this life and you’re actually happy to sell it at a loss to someone else. Why?

Connor Watson
Connor Watson

Socialism is to create the true economic freedom required to allow individuals follow their aspirations and dreams.
So why did the socialists always abolish private property and take it away from the rightful owners?

Daniel Campbell
Daniel Campbell

le magic free market does it again

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Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

Well you're an idiot so no one cares what you think sweety ;)

Ethan Williams
Ethan Williams

hey libtards: despacito

Elijah Baker
Elijah Baker

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Daniel Barnes
Daniel Barnes

meanwhile, Venezuela is slowly byt steadily transplanting all its population here.
What did Socialism meant by this?

Chase Long
Chase Long

Btw North Korea hasn't been starving since the early 2000s
The food situation isn't as catastrophic as it was 20 years ago but it's still precarious and malnutrition is common.

Camden Young
Camden Young

Nordic style system
Implying a population of niggers and spics and southerners can support that
You do realize the main reason why the Nordic model works, right?

Luis Cruz
Luis Cruz

Feudalism was based

Luis Martinez
Luis Martinez

“Socialists”? Which ones are you referring to? That’s such a loaded term. Socialism, like capitalism, has many implementations.

Saying “socialists” imply everyone of that ideology is out to steal other people’s work. I could argue that capitalism wants to execute homosexuals because that’s what at least one capitalist nation does.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

le universal healthcare can't work because niggers meme

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

Are you actually defending that abomination of a model? My recommendation is: Don't even move to Venezuela, just take a stroll through it (or Cuba) and see if that helps cure your stupidity

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

More people more workers.

They'd save money for starters by having negotiated drug prices to prevent hikes - canadian and mexican drugs are way cheaper, you just need to cross the border - and having one guaranteed insurer for everyone isn'tead of there being hundreds of different ensurers each with their own separate networks and bureaucracies - there are two desk workers for every doctor in the US healthcare system.

Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

Can you imagine how many people have had a great new idea but didn’t pursue because they needed to dedicate themselves to their shitty job less they upset their boss?

If God Almighty intended for these people to make their ideas real he would make them rich. Humans exist to witness to the glory of His work in all its forms including poverty, struggle and misery and to take them away is to lessen God’s creation. Thus socialist is in opositon of God and therefore Evil!

Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

God
Didn’t read.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

lets create an insurance monopoly

Ryan Peterson
Ryan Peterson

Wait, did read and realised the sarcasm, whoops kek

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

Feudalism
There's no serious historician who would use this term for last 30 years.

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

Taking away someone else’s property is what all the classic socialists want to do. Not social democrats, like in Sweden.

Jack Walker
Jack Walker

There is a difference between “private property” and “personal ownership” you mug.

Logan Green
Logan Green

Bullshit. I was at a job working 60 hours a week and I still managed to learn python within a year and get my certifications and now make double what I made at that shitty IT position. I have friends who work as baristas who do nothing but complain about "muh evil capitalism" while all they do once their shifts end is go home and smoke weed and watch Netflix. The whole
"muh lack of opportunity" argument is retarded, because what it really comes down to is people just not willing to put in the effort to play ball in the market. Then again, the fact that most people are passive and lazy is exactly why capitalism allows the 1% that aren't that way to stack at the top.

Noah Torres
Noah Torres

Based and burgerpilled

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

Accepting that all people need to work, Socialism guarantees continued employment and support while someone is developing something new. Can you imagine how many people have had a great new idea but didn’t pursue because they needed to dedicate themselves to their shitty job less they upset their boss?
Close to none? How do you even measure that? And most people spend most of their free time not creating things - if they'd enjoy creating things more than just consuming things they'd use their free time accordingly.

Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

the government seized over 20k enterprises in the last 20 years. They might have a private sector but it is heavily theatened. Media outlets that go against the government are censored or their websites blocked. A huge percentage of the population works for the government conpared to your average functional country

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

maybe having winners and losers is natural? like maybe the people with all the money who succeed should just use the poor and unhealthy as slave labour to further their wealth until the poor rise up, then use the military and police to eradicate them. Then only winners would be left and everyone would be equal again. Robots can pick up the check on any menial labour shortages?

Maybe this is just natural selection?

Ethan Morgan
Ethan Morgan

if it's not good for SA, what makes you think other countries or continents are an exception?

Jackson Gonzalez
Jackson Gonzalez

But it’s common under capitalism. If you create something while in employment, you run a risk of being sued for the rights to what you produced.

Even if you are unemployed and produce something, you have to sell a percentage of it in shares to a venture capitalist to actually get the money to produce it.

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

HUMANS ARENT ANIMALS!
EQUALITY IS HUMAN RIIIIGHT.
FUCK OFF CAPITALIST PIG

Man, let us laugh at Socialist Republic of US, please.

Jackson King
Jackson King

Oh really? Well I was working 25 hours a day and still became an Olympiad. Why didn’t you get an Olympic gold I’m in the 50ft jump?

Connor Thomas
Connor Thomas

god
posts from most atheistic country on planet earth

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

equality is a human right
no, it's not. Every person is different, has different abilities and motivations. If we were all meant to be equal, we'd be nothing else but robots

Leo Sanders
Leo Sanders

If you create something while in employment, you run a risk of being sued for the rights to what you produced.
Well, If you don't like it, create your own business.

Chase Kelly
Chase Kelly

Debt forgivness and land reforms are historicaly the norm.

Matthew Ortiz
Matthew Ortiz

I addressed that in the same post, Christ.

Are you going to quit your job and risk losing your home and health for a risk?

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

Then I guess landowners getting killed by villagers under Mao's rule was just natural selection too.

Nolan Sullivan
Nolan Sullivan

i would kill her if i was CIA

Levi Barnes
Levi Barnes

If you don't want to risk it then don't.

Joseph Rivera
Joseph Rivera

Of course, just like millions of Russians killed by Bolsheviks.
The problem is that's a negative selection, in a sense.

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

Are you going to quit your job and risk losing your home and health for a risk?
Yes, this is how capitalism works. You will not become rich without risk.

Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

monopoly
Where was that implied?

Here everyone is insured by the state and can use the public network of hospitals and health centres. The public sector prioritizes according to the urgency of cases. We can also pay more to private insurers to use their private networks. The private sector offers a greater degree of convenience for a greater cost.

The longer the waiting times in the public, the more people turn to the private. The more people turn to the private, the shorter the waiting times in the public. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

Christian Moore
Christian Moore

What are you even trying to say? You're comparing physical feats that only .0001% of people can accomplish with self-edification financial planning that the majority of able bodied people can achieve.

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

capitalism rewards good inventions. if what you orofuce is wirthless to the masses you deserve to be poor, if on the contrary it is sinething useful like Amazon or FB you deserve to become filthy rich as people are willing to pay for your invention. Then it becomes a snowball effect where entrepreneurs and inventors are incentivized to create more new and more advanced inventions. Socialism having no rewards or incentive system only means it can only bring regression and misery

Joseph Myers
Joseph Myers

*and financial planning

Juan Scott
Juan Scott

The fact is, the right-wing among us aren’t just saying life is unfair, they’re saying it OUGHT to be unfair.

They’re people who support the idea of poverty to enhance their sense of “achievement” of having food and shelter. They support millionaires because they equate being homed to that of being shrewed and cunning like we’re told the rich and famous are.

We know what it takes to be rich. Heartless, psychotic, empty. But we get stupid “reality” TV shows that successfully advertise being a despot and biographical films about criminals and assholes that nevertheless were “brilliant” while ignoring the 99% of the workers who actually produced the product we needed.

Don’t be a fucking cuck to the trump crowd. They’re just sucking wall street’s cock because they think their riches might rub off on them someday.

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

billions of people starve under capitalism
"Real capitalism hasn't been tried!!!!!"

Wyatt James
Wyatt James

Wasting trillions of dollars making more effective missiles to kill sheep herders
This is brice of freedom, 5/5 bretty good
Free healthcare
Wow how are going to paid for that you fucking gommie!!!!
Cold war propaganda really did fucked up americans.

Leo Jenkins
Leo Jenkins

billions of people starve under capitalism
"Real capitalism hasn't been tried!!!!!"
But the capitalists don't say they will overcome hunger, unlike the socialists.

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

Socialism is oppresion m8. your socialist country is trying to asphyxiate people through taxes. Be glad the gillet jaunes have manned up against such state atrocity, even if that means torning your country down in order to reclaim individuals liberty

Gavin Moore
Gavin Moore

lmao big words from someone who would miss the global police after they shift all the defense money to healthcare

Defense is just another kind of healthcare. A preventative one that uses bullets that nowadays mostly gets used to kill somalian pirates on the high seas

Jordan Mitchell
Jordan Mitchell

Crashing this plane

Juan Peterson
Juan Peterson

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Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

Le benevolent americans protecting Europe meme

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

if i don't agree with it it's reddit

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

the new york post is right-wing
complete retard

Cooper James
Cooper James

lmao the only countries who get to criticize us for our healthcare system are Britain, France, and maybe Australia I can't even think of anyone else who has even a moderately respectable army and free healthcare at the same time

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

The nordic system requires nordic demographics. It's been tried in Latin America for decades and when it inevitably fails, they go on saying bUt iT wOrKs iN dEnMaRk, mUh aMeRiCaN iMpeRiaLiSts b kEePinG uS dOWn
You may have a perfectly managed government but if it's backed by a population of room temperature IQ mutts you'll never make it work. And I say this as a socialdemocrat

Alexander Williams
Alexander Williams

right wingers simply want people to be free to make their own choices (including bad ones) and have as little state control over your life as is reasonably possible, this is called Liberty and self empowerment.

Socialism REQUIRES Tyranny to survive as it needs everyone to march in lock-step and fall into line because if people did what they wanted is called capitalism and capitalism is bad!

Owen King
Owen King

your healthcare=shit

Charles Torres
Charles Torres

moving the goalposts
Amuse me then, what does capitalism promise?

Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

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Owen Wilson
Owen Wilson

Amuse me then, what does capitalism promise?
Nothing. This is not a utopia to promise everyone a good life.

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

They’re asphyxiating people by keeping them scared of poverty which doesn’t sound like freedom to me. And that was the reason of it all wasn’t it? Nuking the Japanese, starving the Koreans, disfiguring the Vietnamese, burning the Middle East and raping Africa.

All of it so people can be threatened with starvation if they don’t toe the line. Their cultures and heroes torn away from them to have Coca-Cola and Steve Jobs as their new gods.

I don’t think we were the good guys.

William Russell
William Russell

At first I was suprised, who could have said such a thing?
But then I saw the flag and that's when everything made sense once more

Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

nothing but the ability to do what you want and the chance to succeed at it if there is demand for it.

Angel Rogers
Angel Rogers

Deaths by hunger mostly occur where governments are kleptocratic: property rights aren't respected with farmers being kicked out of their farms and villagers being displaced from their villages, the nomenklatura/warlords control the natural resources which they keep in the family and use force to keep out the competition, courts favour people according to their politics, anyone that produces anything of worth gets that taken away from them by thugs.

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

Some of the protesters are literally communists or socialists.

Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards

You fucking liar, you have the freedom to be unemployed. You have the freedom to purchase meaningless shit. You have to live under someone else’s tyranny to earn basic rights.

Justin Peterson
Justin Peterson

the nordic siystem is free market with skyhigh taxes to pay fir social programs.
Latam system is isolationism with free gibs speech on the part of populists.

Also, mad to think that Sweden was a respectable country until the 70s, but it's been going downhill ever since they introduced social democracy. Sweden became one of the richest countries per capita during the xix and xx centuries thanks to capitalism, not socialism

Lucas Roberts
Lucas Roberts

meanwhile left-wingers
Racism, sexism, make white men work less so others can catch up

Wyatt Lewis
Wyatt Lewis

Nuking the Japanese
They should've let them continue to conquer east asia?
starving the Koreans
By not trading with them? It isn't like capitalists went there to take their food from them. NK kept threatening to conquer SK so SK's allies decided not to do business with NK. NK couldn't feed itself.

Camden Miller
Camden Miller

you literally can't implement this kind of system in murica

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Xavier Bennett
Xavier Bennett

The US bombed North Korea to the ground in the 1950s. 20% of the population was killed, and some cities and towns were reduced to rubble.

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

Argentina has always tried to play the free market game, but the political and economical climate exists in such a constant state of uncertainty that nobody wants to invest here other than to literally steal our raw materials. We still have oppresive taxes, nonetheless.

Hudson Watson
Hudson Watson

The nuking of Japan is a special case. WW2 was basically over and the Japanese had lost their empire, the Japanese wanted as armistice but the Americans wanted victory.

It’s commonly said that the nuclear bombs saved lives compared to an invasion, but what would have saved even more was seeking an armistice as the goal was to neutralise the Japanese empire which had been achieved.

I personally thing the bomb was dropped to scare the Russians in the west and from invading Japan from the north.

NK brought it on themselves
Blocking trade with them, in favour of a regime that originally was far more muderous than NK. The Jeju executions come to mind.

Julian Hernandez
Julian Hernandez

Yes, the bombings were swift and devastating. By then, NK had pushed SK to the brink. Without USA (and allies') intervention SK wouldn't exist today. It would all be under the Kim family. The USA even took way too long to intervene: they didn't provide the equipment or men that SK had requested earlier. If they had, maybe SK wouldn't have been pushed back so much and the later bombings wouldn't have been required.

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

And what's that? Lack of ethnical diversity?

Jason Ramirez
Jason Ramirez

Germans can't think of anything else

Angel Brooks
Angel Brooks

if you think gangweed doesn't belong on reddit then you need to be shot

Camden Murphy
Camden Murphy

the Japanese wanted as armistice
They wanted to keep their territorial gains and their seized foreign workers. Making peace on their terms would be like the Union making peace with the Confederacy.

blocking trade with them
Oh no, the evil businessmen are hurting us by not doing business with us; they are imperialistic when they trade with poorer countries because they are taking their resources, they are imperialistic when they don't trade with poorer countries because they aren't sharing their resources - the underdog can do no wrong.

Neither regime was peachy but doubtful to say SK was worse. The Jeju debacle started with a violent boycott of democratic elections for SK. The repression was bad, but so was the insurgency. I find that history vindicated the US on the matter of the Korean War, since SK managed to be a pretty nice to place to be in, while NK is the sort of place you need sentries to keep people in.

Kayden Roberts
Kayden Roberts

Are you under the misconception that your state have as little control as possible?
Protip: 400$ for a bottle of insulin is not normal.

Dylan Green
Dylan Green

Mandatory insurance is free

Adrian Perry
Adrian Perry

Mandatory insurance rises the price of an unpatented product

No.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

It does if that creates more demand for it

Jack Howard
Jack Howard

new american left wants the majority white tax base to pay for the majority non-white welfare burden who in return will continue to hate the majority white tax base and be a burden to them and their society.
Ghee whiz why WOULDN'T you take this deal? Socialism has only been effectively and moderately implememnted (i.e no batshit soviet or commie overthrows) in mono or dominant ethnic countries. In multicultural societies (like the ol' USA) people will not voluntarily pay for the upkeep of the other.

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Jack Sanders
Jack Sanders

We have a lot of socialism and we are multicultural

Robert Walker
Robert Walker

Go ahead, build your French Soviet Republic, but don't spread that shit anywhere else.

Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

2019
unironically socialism thread

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Ethan Hall
Ethan Hall

if you don’t want to slave away for the majority of your waking time each day youre just lazy and don’t deserve healthcare, unlike me who is just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire
pathetic faggot

Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

So my best friend is in sweden right now, hes working in the capital, has been for less than a week now, but says swedes are kinda odd, and he wants to try the local food but nobody tells him about it, just that "you need to be swedish to want swedish food" which is odd?

Anyway pls recommend foods and what to see in stockholm, he knows english but that will only get him so far

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Elijah Garcia
Elijah Garcia

Zimbabwe

Cooper Scott
Cooper Scott

pls recommend foods
I can't read this from a Venezuelan without a chuckle

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

The countries which are closer to providing or which currently do provide single payer and other social supports have traditionally been very careful to restrict citizenship. When a country restricts citizenship to most of those who can pay a decent amount of taxes, then it can afford to offer free or less expensive health care, pre school, college tuition, maternity leave and so on. Democrats are going to have to choose between two paths

Mason Morris
Mason Morris

and a 10th of the population of the USA. I've heard some horror stories about your healthcare, just like the US's.
The working middle class is tired of paying for other peoples shit. We have tons of corruption in our government adn constantly watch it get thrown away or sold away. Stop taking our money.

Blake Rodriguez
Blake Rodriguez

burger
culture
socialism would be most successful in america more than anywhere by your rule

Ian Barnes
Ian Barnes

one word blah blah advice for Russo-Trumpian right: Hitler.

Owen Nguyen
Owen Nguyen

mfw the global center of capital and plutocracy will become socialist in my lifetime

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Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes

how can you expect anyone to take your side seriously when you present such a vapid, unfounded statement, you rube

Eli Gray
Eli Gray

itt:
americans defending venezuela
marxists saying venezuela isnt real socialism
leftists saying venezuela was shit before chavez (it wasnt)
leftists saying venezuela has a private sector
leftists claiming muh nordic model
its all so tiresome

Luis Powell
Luis Powell

classic one:
muh healthcare so thats why the country must embrace our ideology and destroy its economy!
i see usa becoming a shithole very soon if they go down this route

Brandon Wright
Brandon Wright

100144430
100144557
shan’t be replying to this obsessed panamanian freak

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

im shattered
lol fucking fagot

Cameron Thompson
Cameron Thompson

literally one chance at communism
leave the slavs on charge if it
why was this allowed?

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

it's a shame there wasn't a force field keeping hispanics and whatever else stuck in south america

Parker Cooper
Parker Cooper

China is doing it right though.

Levi Perry
Levi Perry

using the nigger argument unironically

Hunter White
Hunter White

Do you actually think China is communist..

Jacob Jenkins
Jacob Jenkins

It is socialist.
Or are you going to tell me drumpfy has been sperging about state-companies being controlled by the party, are actually controlled by their shareholders?

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

I hope I live to see the end of capitalism. I hope even to see the unification of man. I don't trust humans to be capeable of either though. That is why we need a benelovent A.I.s to guide and lead us.

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