EU showed ‘lack of solidarity’ toward Greece during crisis, says Juncker

The white Greek people voted against the loans and protested while 400 million people didn't care about their money.

Are you asking for proof that the debt crisis was caused by debt?
Or that Juncker was PM of Luxemburg until 2013?
It's like demanding a source when someone says that WW2 ended in 1945, or that Turkey is not an EU member. I didn't come forward with an alternative analysis, not a revisionist idea, not a hypothesis. It oesn't even count as a theory. It's common knowledge.

I want proofs for this

>Also Greece was fucked over by its own politicians who had been cooking the numbers for a couple of decades. They made it look so they never had more than 3% budget deficit for that whole time. When it was revealed that they had been lying and borrowing A LOT more than that their credit rating plummeted and no one wanted to lend them any more money.

The source is Greeces own ministry of finance.

Here is their actual report if you want to read directly from the source
:^)
ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/economic_governance/sgp/pdf/20_scps/2009-10/01_programme/el_2010-01-15_sp_en.pdf

Wiki is more digestible though. It's not a good source but it is a good place to start when you are at square one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis#Internal_factors

To be fair, the "number cooking" to get into the EU was done by many other countries, not just countries. The crisis had little to do with that, regardless of whether the decision to enter the euro was a good idea to begin with.

Most importantly, the banks that lent the money knew very well about the state of endless greek borrowing, and went ahead with lending anyway. The reason banks don't normally do this is because if they lend billions to people that they know won't be able to pay it back, they lose money long-term or just collapse. Which is what should have happened after the crisis, except the big EU countries bailed out the banks and made greece pay it back for the rest of its existence. The most surreal solution you could imagine.

Also worth mentioning that the reason for the continuing crisis in greece today is because of the EU and the EU only. German ministers openly admitted that they are refusing to help the greek economy (e.g. cut debt as recommended by the IMF, which admitted failure in previous measures) in order to teach greeks a lesson. This is an admission that they aren't willing to solve a problem because they might look bad politically.

While the greek economy was run badly, the EU media often use propaganda against greece to try to put the whole blame on them, even though every economist was shitting on the EU for their way of dealing with the crisis.

I don't want to read it. Show me the exact phrases.

>EU media
I think it's just Germany and their Dutch dogs. English articles seemed to be always neutral while the German media tries to victimize Germany every single time.

>greece blocks us from starting eu negotiations for 15 years over a fucking name dispute
>cry for lack of solidarity

You should be thankful that they didn't invade North Macedonia.

based

i'd be glad if they did, it would be an improvement

no one cares about you fyrom

The former Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is called North Macedonia now.

Brat, memes aside, why not SlavoMacedonja?
Anyhow, I hope you get all you need in the future!

Central Balkan Republic would be a better name

i have stopped caring about it tbx, i don't think people care about anything anymore, there is no future here - only apathy, we've been beaten dead into the ground in every possible manner

>wanting to join the (((jewropean union)))

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Don't let it get to you brat.
Improve your head, your life and the life of your community.
Fuck "high" political games.
We get sucked in vortexes that do not apply in our level.

Btw, if people live in example India or Afganistan etc, you have a future as well.
Your future brat.
Not mine, not some imaginary ideal, but your present.

>be german (((banker)))
>have too many (((€)))
>lets loan them to the balkan goyim who live with their parents hous into their 40s and have no debt
>balkanniggers can't into paying debntz
>destroy balkans even further instead of taking a loss
>profit

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Two different things brat.

Don't insult Greeks. They are great people who make the world a better place.

im not insulting them. im insulting you hanz for being a greedy fucking bastard.

>german flag
>german

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>Hans and Johan didn't knew that the numbers were cooked ,they would never allow such a thing !!!!11!!

ha lol. Im not even swedish either

>Greek revenge

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I know everything Im a fucking paranoid conspiratorial serbnigger living in swedistan. It was all bullshit and Varoucuckis cucked.

>one of the most beautiful countries in the world
Google "athens skyline"
Not even negroes live like that in western europe

Greece doesn't allow tall buildings in Athens so everyone could see the Acopolis and remember that the Greek heroes saved Europe from the evil Persian invaders.

i don't blame greece, some of greece's objections were valid, you can't go with your head against the wall when everyone else is telling you things are not how some people here wanted them to be, but it was always in the interest of our politicians to keep it like that so they can have their own little field of cattle to control and steal from
apathy, corruption, economic collapse and unempoyment all took their toll, and on top of that you have the albanians who like hyenas used every situation to grab every piece they can
2001, 2004 and now the change of the name and making albanian a second official language in one fell swoop were the final nail in the coffin
the only thing left now is to leave
you would have to be insane to be a northern macedonian who stays here and pays his taxes not only to be fucked by your own politicians but also by alboniggers on top of that

was fishing for yous mostly tbx

It is a beautiful country tho lets be honest

>EU showed ‘lack of solidarity’ toward Greece during crisis, says Juncker
Juncker can suck my ass. The Greeks voted for successive governments that bribed the populace with expensive retirement plans and government jobs financed by ridiculous loans they knew they'd never pay back because they expected other countries to pick up the tab. On top of that, the Greek system is so woefully corrupt that a large percentage of people simply do not pay taxes. Even the most generous estimates don't bode well for them (bbc.com/news/magazine-33479946).

What are we supposed to do, actually pick up the fucking tab? Are taxpayers in the Netherlands, Germany, France et cetera. supposed to suffer to save the Greeks? Because they were so irresponsible themselves? Nuts to that! They voted themselves into this mess, they can vote themselves out of it. Hopefully next time they'll learn that nothing is free. Macron said it himself, right before the yellow vests started reeing over economic reforms that will benefit the country: if someone promises you both lower taxes and more government jobs, he's lying to you.

>B-But the Greeks will starve
Let them. Let them go hungry. Let them overthrow their government and hang the traitors who whored them out. Let them default on their debts for all I care. Let's just NOT perpetuate this broken system. That would make us enablers and I do not consent to being made an enabler.

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youtube.com/watch?v=aAhuWC2WVgw

apparently this sociopathic behavior is seen as normal in holland
no wonder your country is peak subhuman

Ok that will be 50 euros

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Taking responsibility for your own actions is "subhuman"? Give me one reason why any non-Greek government is justified in exerting force to withdraw money for the sake of the Greek economy? If you're so worried about not being a "sociopath", you're free to donate to the Greek government. Doubt your money will be put to good use though.

I only pay AFTER getting my ass sucked.

stop larping as ancient macedonians and we will reconsider it

Same

>Give me one reason why any non-Greek government is justified in exerting force to withdraw money for the sake of the Greek economy?
The Greeks are superior people and should be treated as higher beings.

>government jobs financed by ridiculous loans they knew they'd never pay back because they expected other countries to pick up the tab
let me fix this for you
> government jobs financed by ridiculous loans they knew they'd never pay back because they expected the next governments to pick up the tab
Needless to say, nobody did that.
I agree that the people are kinda retarded here though, but after the Tsipras fiasco people have seemed to understand what's really the problem. Not really having much faith though, if this faggot wins again then we're doomed.

t. Jeroen Dijsselbloem

>it fell and rose many times in history
When was greece relevant after middle ages?

Greece only has itself to blame. They could have taken responsibility long ago.

2008-2018/2019?

>Portugal, Italy, Greece or Spain go over the denbts limit
>EU: "REEEEEEE FUCKING LAZY MEDNIGGERS IMPLEMENT AUSTERITY AND SELL OFF EVERYTHING NOW!!!!!"
>France goes over denbts limit
>EU: "oh no problem mr.macron, your budget is perfect as always mr.macron, please consider fucking me in the ass it'd be a privilege mr.macron...."

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They did and as a reward their economy was destroyed by the biggest enemy of the white race.

Man, half of the Hellenic tribes were working for the Irani empire.
And many Hellenes from Sparta to Macedonia were merceneries for the Persians before Alex the Great.

History is not that simple.

Look at the deficit/pil

Makes the victory even greater.

Don't fall into nihilism brat, do what's best for you.
Where are you thinking of going?

Man, what's your deal.
Chill out a bit ffs.

Themistokles himself went to become a Satrap in Iran after he got ostracized.

My point is Iran was not "evil" or something.

The Netherlands has been doing non-stop budget cuts since years before the crisis. Including some extreme sudden ones for the EU, where we had to save billions over night. During the crisis we also had to save two banks. And then the Greeks also start giving shit while they don't collect taxes and retire before us. And want to saddle us up with their debts. That's not going to happen.

If it comes to you as a surprise that you need to keep your finances in order, then you have been living in a dream. Just like the other Dutch poster said.

The difference is that Macron made actual efforts to lower the deficit and actually dipped below 3%. It just rose back up due to measures to appease the Yellow Welfare Queens who were burning Paris down to the ground. The EU understands the difference between "bribing the populace to prevent a socialist revolution" and "bribing the populace with votes".

>If it comes to you as a surprise that you need to keep your finances in order, then you have been living in a dream. Just like the other Dutch poster said.
Yeah. "Helping" them out at this point only makes things worse. The more they grow to rely on outside help, the less incentive they have to fix the problems. Western/Northern Europe is successful and we should lead by example. We already see Macron trying to implement "Nordic Model" measures the French should've implemented decades ago, because the proof that it works* is undeniable.

*it works mostly because of the free market and actually having less government expenditure and a lower tax burden than the Nordic countries would result in even greater growth but hey, baby steps.

When Greece was protesting against retiring at 65 our retirement age has been gradually increasing to 71.

Why did you skip the middle ages tho

Then why did it invade the innocent Greek cities?

You want others to suffer because Holland "suffered"? You are not a good person and people like you make the world to a bad place.

you are a very hateful person

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No, I want others to take responsibility and not shift it unto us. I'm giving this example to show that it would be unfair that the ones who do take responsibility have to pay for people who don't.

No you.

We can't exactly compare desk jobs to heavy duty jobs m8

Most Greeks don't have the luxury you have in your work places so that's why the retirement ages are lowerish

The white Greeks don't care about Holland. Blame your coward government and coward people instead of the great Greeks.

Not him but the fuck are you, an SPD poster? Get out of your socialist fantasy land and realize that money is a scarce resource. If you want to buy a car, buy new furniture, go on vacation and get a sweet gaming rig but only have so much money you need to prioritize. You don't buy all those things at the same time and then land yourself in debt.

The Dutch did not "suffer", the Dutch government applied common sense Austrian economics: spend the money you have, don't spend the money you don't have. If you're in a crisis, you cut expenditure until you reach a manageable deficit or even a surplus.

You can of course whine about Keynesian economics but that only works on paper (unlike socialism, which is often claimed to look good on paper but is shit even in theory). In fact democratic governments generally lack the fiscal discipline to fully conform to Keynesianism.

literally just give greece to turkey, they have proven they can actually run a modern economy unlike greece.

I like gyros and tzatsiki

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Based Swede bro

>If you want to buy a car, buy new furniture, go on vacation and get a sweet gaming rig but only have so much money you need to prioritize. You don't buy all those things at the same time and then land yourself in debt.
You should teach this to other Dutch people. The Greek people have no need for such childings things.

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man that movie really was shit. in reality persia was a pretty great place to live in. slavery was outlawed and they were very tolerant in terms of religion. greeks had slaves. and not all greek states were even close to democratic. sparta comes to mind.

Turkish people are inferior to Greeks in every possible way.

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We do have a higher amount of white collar jobs, but people with heavy professions also retire just as late.

Blame our government for what?

We can lend so much because it's backed by actual real estate, that can be sold for the same amount of money. And Dutch people always back.

Nobody in their right minds would borrow their money to you.

Not going to deny this is scandalously high but
1. How does that change my argument?
2. How does that change the fact that the Dutch are currently running a surplus ie. paying back debts?

There's a reason why the Dutch credit rating is so good and the Greek credit rating so disastrous.

Superior white people with biological slaves vs extremely huge hordes of brown sjws.

I think history is going to repeat and this time 1 million free Greeks will lead 1 billion whites.

*always pay back
So it's low risk. In fact, 60% of the EU's pension savings (without the UK) are Dutch. So lots of people are sitting on a huge pot of gold they can't touch.

>No, I want others to take responsibility and not shift it unto us.
You wrote

>No, I want others to take responsibility and not shift it unto us.

even though nobody does because nobody cares abut holland

Maybe you shouldn't be talking about things you don't know anything about.
The EU wanted to introduce a scheme so that we borrow money at a low interest rate, so you could keep spending it instead of reforming.

And then Greece considered defaulting on its debts at the same time.
And the EU even considered inflating the debts away, which will also inflate our savings away.

because holland is located between white countries

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95% of the loans were used to pay back older debts

Our Greek brothers had never a chance to use the money for actual useful things.

We were richer when people didn't even know what coal was good for.
We were the richest country in the world when we founded our country. For 250 years. Despite the constant retards around us attacking us.

>We were richer when people didn't even know what coal was good for.
In fact,industry was never a big thing here. It was much bigger in the Southern Netherlands/Belgium, which is part of why they split from us (and part of why Flanders and Wallonia are still so divided).

its not just the coal but location and (white) population density

replace the dutch with Greeks and this place would become the richest region in the world

Ikibey pls.
Snap out of it.
Enjoy real life a bit maaan.

greeks are just as brown as iranians. maybe even darker.

replace the dutch with greeks and we would need another bailout.

he meant finns and swampgermans ppl were really butthurt about the whole save greece deal, stupid giancarlo

go back to iran you sand monkey

kek. I am not Iranian.

Only non-whites insult Greeks. It's like a natural law.

see i cant trust you

Juncker is based
youtu.be/crRTB2ILeYE

Greece played themselves though

pretty sure that a lot of people have been insulting greece over the whole debt thing all over europe.
Dont missunderstand I dont dislike greece. I just wouldnt trust them with money.