Is this common in your country?
Is this common in your country?
I wish it was, in the opposite direction.
Women withouth a hijab are prostitutes.
KEKISTAN LIVE LONG
Is this supposed to be "before and after" or "after and before"?
Left to right and right to left are both common, but the first transition is happening more and more nowadays.
No it isn't.
Islam is the only religion where nobody ever leaves.
In Islam there is no compulsion. Same woman can feel the desire to wear a hijab one year and not the next year. Allah subhanu wa’tala knows and decides all things, revealed through the heart to the faithful.
Why dont men wear a veil then as well? Tuareg Traditionall do. But I guess people are not faith full enough for this.
Just fake your muslim beliefs if you convert out of it
Memes aside, people are leaving Islam here by a lot.Non-muslim ratio is like 5 times the amount it was 10 years ago.Can't speak for other cunts.
It's illegal in islamophobic Belgium.
besides, I'm not a muslim
and yet you chose erdogan. something is off then.
Yea turkey is very secular compared to the rest of the Islamic world. I guess they reaaaalt want to be Europeans
I wear a hat and besides, attracting too much attention and showing off is prideful.
Veils are never required. For women cover the hair. For men cover the body too but they don’t need to cover their hair.
Yes. I was at the store today and I saw a woman in a burka today
great man. great meme
My best friend who wore her hijab since she was 13, took it off the moment she went to Uni.
She said it made her hair fall apart or something. Many of my friends followed suit.
Btw taking off the hijab doesn't mean they're leaving the religion altogether.
I can't imagine being bitch in Saudi in middle of desert area with flaming sun and having to wear all those black cloths. It's pure suffering.
Saudi is not Muslim. They are Wahhabi.
wahhabism is real islam, not your watered down westernized "islam"
Do you know how minorities and majorities work?.
I don't want to be a muslim anymore which means I want to be european
No true Scotsman
No wahhabism is relatively new. Once Saudi family loses their power I promise Wahhabism will disipate.
oh Europe please except us we just want schegen free roaming and euros pleeeeeaze. We are in Europe too. We are white omg
You may not think like this but all the young Balkan/Turks I met in the cities wish to be European to be free from Erdogan and blah blah whatever idx
The utterly most manipulative and shrewded means to provide yourself a privileged position in a theocratic society, I legitimately haven't met a single decent veiled female below the age of 45
Well, I doubt Saudis ever experience the heat. The only time they set a foot outside is to move from the comfort of their luxury car to the mall or to go inside their houses. They blast the AC at maximum in closed spaces.
Besides, pretty sure most Gulfies (don't take my word on this) only wear the Abaya as a cultural thing. They spend millions on designer clothes and skimpy outfits from VS. Maybe they reserve those for their homes or to wear them abroad. At least that was my impression after visiting their malls.
let me tell you about your country
No such thing as "real" or "fake" islam
gulfies are ultimate cancer
Okay to be fair I talked to 4 girls and they all thought this way. Was pretty shocked desu. Still though you walk around and can just tell that religion is loosing its foothold there you can’t deny that
going from veil to no veil? how would I know?
implying I am western “““““Islam”””””
I am a trad Sunni Muslim, not Wahhabi.
And what's that mister? Enlighten us.
Traditional Sunni Islam based on precedent and culture as ottoman hanafi maturidi fiqh passes it down.
Okay, and what difference does it have with """"""""""""""""""western Islam"""""""""""""""""""""" whatever the fuck that means.
This sounds about what literally everyone I met it. Only differences are the madhabs and that’s it. When I was in Europe tho i heard some crazy shit was going on in the mosque next door... idk what it is with Europe lol
yes, god bless. they still dress pretty conservative, just not full durka durka
Secularist establishment oppressed Muslims so it became necessary to defend Islam, today the government does not oppress or promote Islam so people feel less impetus to display their religion. It’s chill. But unveiled does not mean not Muslim.
So called western Islam is the cia cooked up left wing cultural studies cucked nonsense they are churning out of Germany and left wing US universities.
Didn’t say not Muslim. But there are atheists there. I’m saying it’s precence is not the same as when my grandfather served in WW1 for example. But Palestine is still super religious. Just things I’ve noticed in my experiences and stories that have been told to me
I used to think that Islamic women wearing the veil was a horrible thing and a way to oppress them.
But then I actually started think really fucking hard upon it, and I realized what the actual purpose for them wearing the veil was.
No I am no longer against it. In fact I actually support Islamic women wearing the veil.
Yes there are atheists but don’t be confused lots of “atheist seeming” people in Turkey are not atheists.
so you think of yourself as unable to control your urges?
and that women deserve rape if they dress scantily?
so you think of yourself as unable to control your urges?
No, of course not. That's why I was completely fucking blind to why the veil is a good thing. Because I'm not a piece of shit that can't control his urges.
Arab and Muslim men however are a different story.
western Islam is the cia cooked up left wing cultural studies cucked nonsense
That's a whole lot of buzzwords. What are their practices? Do they believe in stretching the limits of religion to adhere to neo Western ideals? Like, idk, not lynching homosexuals and transgenders on sight or what?
I'm not being retarded. I'm genuinely confused. Do you believe in following Sharia to a tic (ie: beheading, cutting the thief's hand, oral divorce etc..)
Not all Muslim women wear the veil. It's a matter of class more than religious fervency. For instance, women from rural background are more likely to wear a headscarf than an upper class girl from the city. And besides, covered or not, the moment a person sets foot in a bad neighborhood, they'll get assaulted. It's a sad reality.
can't women just shave their head?
you know that those clothes are meant to protect against extreme heat right? Try going to the desert with a t-shirt
Women that live in cities are less likely to wear the veil
Women that live in the parts of the country, the rural parts, are more likely to wear it because the people in the rural parts are more fanatical and more likely to attempt to rape unveiled women
AT LAST I TRULY SEE
yeah but those black clothes must be very thick cause if not heat will enter skin very fast
That’s grotesque and that’s not why veil is encouraged or modesty called for...
You were doing so well...
My Islam... Trad Islam hanafi Sunni ottoman maturidi never lynched gays. You should do a PhD thesis on Islamic jurisprudence before talking like this.
It’s also not buzzwords. It
Is exactly what I said it is.
Huh? Rape is more likely to occur in the city akshually. And did you miss the part where I said that wearing the veil doesn't make a difference in whether or not you get assaulted. Animals don't give a shit if a person is modest.
This is only because of elites in your country being tied to France. He is wrong.
with 2nd/3rd generation london muslim girls the ones who wear hijabs are the biggest thots
You were doing so well...
If you guys weren't literally the walking stereotype that feminazis claim all men to be, there wouldn't be a "need" for veils.
Rape is more likely to occur in the city akshually
Yes because the women there are not veiled.
And did you miss the part where I said that wearing the veil doesn't make a difference in whether or not you get assaulted. Animals don't give a shit if a person is modest.
This is why Islamic women should not only wear veils, but also pistols hidden on their person for protection.
hurrr let me tell yuo bout yo cuntry
elites tied to France
How? Enlighten me on this.
Modesty is not required because of rape culture ... and feminists or progressives are prefigured by Muslims from the 7th c if you are right... that is impressive. So Islam is more progressive than 21st century elite developed country progressives.
But modesty is a faithful spiritual requirement, not one designed to abate sexuality. The exact mechanism of Modesty is not prescribed however.
Yes let me tell you about your county
left is unattractive woman, right is attractive
so all fine, like it should be
I'm not gonna argue with you
Arguing with a religious fanatical is as productive as arguing schizo.
It doesn't matter what the reality or objective truth there really is to something, only your religious opinion and view are what is correct.
I could no more convince you of your objectively incorrect thoughts than I could convince a fish to breathe air.
It must be done gradually over time and by the creatures own volition.
To be clear...
Feminists living in non Islamic countries accuse white men of perpetuating rape culture.
Islam does not think all men are rapists. The primary source of reasons for modest presentation of the self are tied to values like sincerity, and commitment to spiritual growth.
The argument seems to be your hot take and my studied perspective.
I don’t have any issue with you or lack of religious faith.
You are aware that we are actually an independent country right? That the last French cuck vacated this land in 1957 right?
Sure we share economical interests but that's a far cry from what you claimed (elites influenced by French). This isn't 1956 anymore. But then again, I don't expect any Pali to be self aware.
No but you do still teach and speak French, are in the Francophone society, and send your elite to study in France. Your cultural values are heavily based on French political ideas, styles, fashion.
let me tell you about your religion
Sometimes it's better to chew your piss-soaked shark than to talk.
We also teach the keedz to speak English, what's your point?
We also send our elite to study in Germany. And some even pick the US/Canada/UK . In fact, the top tier students pick Germany over France any day of the week. Would you rather they stay here and squander whatever mental faculties they have left on a sub par education? Truly?
What cultural values pray tell? Not cutting the thief's hand off? Political ideas? Really, stretching the definitions here.
Lol do you want your wife to be bald? Wtf?
Why is modesty so hard for people to grasp. Literally before the 50s most women dressed islamically acceptable minus the hijab for all of time. It’s only recently that dressing like a ho is liberating or whatever the horseshit they feed us. We are asked to dress to not show our figure.
hurr durr m’en can contain themselves
A man cannot even hold a steady gaze away from a woman and respect her privacy. This pornographry slut culture has you thinking that revealing is normal. It protects man and woman. To be modest and reserved is much more righteous than to be promiscuous and provocative. To focus your energy outside of sexuality is something lost in this sex crazed culture. That’s why it shocks people. They want to see under the scarf. Show off your hips and cleavage why don’t you. Then you wonder why men must over your daughter swindling her into fornitcation.
If you don’t agree that’s fine. You probably are the type to not mind if your sister or daughter sleep around (statistically speaking) though if you can teach you daughters these modest values without getting her to dress modest she will gravitate towards less revealing clothes regardless. Btw Same goes for men but I focused on women since our culture sexualises Women significantly more than men.
English is actually useful. But why teach French?
Your political elite is educated in France and to think like French people.
You do send engineers or doctors to Germany and elsewhere.
You should teach Turkish and English not French and English. You should also send students to Turkey to study.
Oh I see. You're one of... those ""people"".
*nglos always ruin everything, that shitstained island is cursed.
I agree. Traditional garb is more aesthetically pleasing too. But really the main problem is pornography and entertainment littered with sex appeal. It doesn't really matter if you change the clothes while you go home and watch porn.
kek he was a proxy
I agree. I need to quit porn. I’ll stop for a month then I’ll get back on. It’s more addicting than tobacco. It’s like a super drug.
People during the time of the Califates didn't tought the same way Wahabbists and Salafists think nowadays.
If they were leading the Muslim world in the middle ages, they would be as backward as Western Europe during Barbarian occupation.
why are islamies so butthurt their women are embracing their feminine beauty?
Most Muslim men are really angry incels who sadly hold all positions of power in their countries.
Wearing black in extreme heat is just about the most retarded thing you can do to protect yourself
What boomer Facebook page is this?
Going from left to right?yes.
Right to left?no