Be French "yellow jacket" protester

Ethan Long
Ethan Long

be French "yellow jacket" protester
have free healthcare
have free education for the kids
have one of the strongest social security and welfare in the world
have relatively high minimum salary
have one month of paid vacation a year by law
have 35 hour work weeks (or if you work more you get more vacation)
have retirement money guaranteed
can afford house and car even with low salary
STILL protest for 18 WEEKS to ask the government for even more
Does your country does this?

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Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

They sacked the Fouquet's so they're good guys in my book

Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

All Yellow Vest should be killed without trial.

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Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

I'd shoot down all protesters, then cut down tax to swiss level, remove welfare, send all complainers and hobos to sink in Atlantic ocean

Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

THERE ARE PEOPLE STARVING IN AFRICA STOP COMPLAINING

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Lincoln Turner
Lincoln Turner

but it's more green than yellow

Gabriel Murphy
Gabriel Murphy

They want LESS taxes and MORE public service
Really makes you think
Also today they joined a demonstration for the environment while the yellow jacket main demand is "more buying power" ie consume more, pollute more

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

what good does benefits do me if i cant live amoungst evropans?

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Noah Morris
Noah Morris

Why Macron just won't resign.

Liam Garcia
Liam Garcia

Because yellow vests aren't violent enough

Mason Lee
Mason Lee

resign because a bunch of retards are asking for not realistic stuff ?

Carter Nguyen
Carter Nguyen

Because he was democratically elected, and yellow jackets are just an angry minority

Liam Foster
Liam Foster

Those are not mutually exclusive.
You can bet that the gov misuses taxes on a regular basis and the people get no insight in how their money is spent

Nicholas Lewis
Nicholas Lewis

This is the paradoxical nature of most of these protests, they always lack the clarity.

Dylan Clark
Dylan Clark

t. richfag
fuck off sheltered rat

Luis Wilson
Luis Wilson

so we're the people in the french revoluion

Jordan Russell
Jordan Russell

Do they know how economic works? You can't do more public service if you want less taxation.

Logan Phillips
Logan Phillips

Why should he? The yellow vests are a niche movement, they just make a lot of noise. Seriously there are more people interested in the climate thing.

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

so we're the people in the french revoluion
No. And the fact that France is the birthplace of the revolution doesn't mean we should disregard rule of law.

Elijah Barnes
Elijah Barnes

nah

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Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

rule of law
working in france

Blake Perez
Blake Perez

How much power do they have ? Is yellow vest movement fading away or getting stronger?

Angel Rogers
Angel Rogers

yes, it was you rat-faced fuck

Jaxon Wright
Jaxon Wright

protestlets

Tyler Clark
Tyler Clark

THIS

Ian Peterson
Ian Peterson

"just print money lol"
wages, pensions and subsidies depreciate together with currency and debt
"damn those evil jews/capitalists"

Nicholas Morgan
Nicholas Morgan

Nope. Our people likes to take it up the ass and never complain.
Gas prices are rising every single week and we don't say anything, only complaining online about it

Justin White
Justin White

have one of the strongest social security and welfare in the world
Does this apply to people who work?
have relatively high minimum salary
Relative to whom?
can afford house and car even with low salary
I'm pretty sure that's bullshit
ask for even more
Are they? I though they were protesting the taxes that amde everything even more expensive

Anyway, France is fucked. Your people are too spoiled and your government is definitely too spoiled.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

his policemen don't outnumber his protesters

Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

thirdies have it worse so just suck up that things get shittier by the day while us richies count our money

Yeah, I'm not even a leftie but fuck that. SMASHTHESTATE

Nicholas Sanders
Nicholas Sanders

This is a fact of human nature. People always want more. I’m sure if we do end up going to “free” healthcare and uni for everyone. The same shit would happen here. At some point people would bitch that the government isn’t doing enough.

Christopher Reyes
Christopher Reyes

THIS

William Morgan
William Morgan

tax the big corporation more and raise our minimum salary
wtf why did they produce all those goods in Chinese sweatshops

Aiden Baker
Aiden Baker

Not frankly defending the yellow jackets but Macron being "democratically elected" is a thing only Grivaux/Castaner could say with a straight face.
Our institutions are responsible for this though.

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Christopher Foster
Christopher Foster

policemen holding hands
so qt ^^

Brandon Young
Brandon Young

Well, they saw that breaking things in France can allow you to get what you want, so they'll continue to break things. The movement is not really fading away, but not getting stronger either. It's more or less always the same people.
They don't really have any political power. Most of them would vote for Le Pen though. Most of them lack any kind of political culture or intelligence. Just shows how French education has totally failed these past 30 years.

Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

In one way I'm happy my countrymen go out and protest, on another hand the yellow jacket movement is really retarded. They can't even formulate what they really want except "muh buying power".
Is the indebted and already generous government supposed to pay up even more for their bad spending habits?
The yellow jacket movement is made of mostly low educated people who will blame whoever is in charge for everything while the real reason they end up in the red at the end of the month is that they indebted themselves to buy luxury cars, phones and house they can't afford

Jayden Gonzalez
Jayden Gonzalez

Big corps do tax evading, the goods are produced in china anyway

Parker Morgan
Parker Morgan

Isn’t that why corporations leave and go to other countries? Because their home country taxed them too much?

the left here is all about taxing the piss out of billionaires here. For some reason they really believe that billionaire won’t leave the US if they pay 70% tax.

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

i don't care
there are too many niggers in this country it's a shithole
as long as we aren't given a white ethnostate to live in i will keep chimping out

Gavin Cox
Gavin Cox

i swear the people we're fucking had it coming, pleade don't stop me

Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

They're leaving because they can, to make more profit

Aaron Hill
Aaron Hill

I fucking hate them.

France is stuck in the past,
while other european countries enjoy a 4% or less unemployement we are stuck with 9% and refuse to do the much needed reform. In 5 years we will be like Italy, a second-class european country and it will be our fault.

Carson James
Carson James

well that makes sense if you think about it. A business is meant to make money. So if you can make more money then it’s worth going somewhere else. The only incentive to really convince a company to stay in it’s country of origin is to drop taxes on them.

Logan Parker
Logan Parker

How much do you pay in tax? I have a friend pen pal and he said that it’s common to pay 50-55% tax

Jaxson Long
Jaxson Long

thirdies have it worse so just suck up that things get shittier by the day while us richies count our money
Yeah, I'm not even a leftie but fuck that. SMASHTHESTATE

I know where you're going, but it's not that. Sure the people should always try to get the government to improve their situation. Except that objectively if you look at their life, they're objectively spoiled and expect the government to provide everything. They're pushing too far.
If the government caves in and gets more in debt for giving away even more money, everything will eventually crash down because of debt and taxes. Then we'll end up like south europe, fucked with debt and having to cancel every social protection.

Nathaniel Richardson
Nathaniel Richardson

I'm actually for taxing companies more, it's just that you've got to realize the consequences of that. You can't freely tax these companies in the era where capital flight is so damn easy.

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

This. I honestly believe that the vague feeling of discontent people are feeling throughout the west is a direct result of the multiculture, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum and what you THINK you are angry about. People don't like to live around people who look and act nothing like them, it raises the stress levels in society.

Gavin Martinez
Gavin Martinez

This is the retarded American logic that leads to taxpayer dollars eventually paying companies like what is currently happening with Amazob in Seattle or Boeing across ameriKKKa

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

It's all about the distribution of wealth m8. Richfags are too rich and poorfags too poor.

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

The only incentive to really convince a company to stay in it’s country of origin is to drop taxes on them

What about not taxing them at all? And working for free? And sucking their dicks? Maybe that way we'll be sure they won't leave

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

t. Macron

Brayden Jenkins
Brayden Jenkins

Between what my employer pay me and what i receive, 60% is taxed.

Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

yep
the most defining thing about yj is not their "revendications" (lol) it's the fact that they're all white men

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

Sorry but if you are poor in a 1st world country it's YOUR fault.

Lucas Sanders
Lucas Sanders

This, if you think it is a case of "oh we would love to produce here but the taxes force us out, we hate to do it but we must" with these large corps you're just wrong.
Haha a company exists to make money so that makes anything they do to achieve his ok! Got you!

Ayden Bell
Ayden Bell

And how can I change that? Study more?

Dylan Turner
Dylan Turner

it doesn't matter that there's literally no way to remove the poor class, it's still your fault

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Julian Cooper
Julian Cooper

Are the white women staying home and fucking BVLLs?

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

You really think these people have experienced "multiculture"? They live in areas where you won't probably find a single nigger. This vague of discontent is fueled by jealousy and envy more than anything.

Jaxon Nelson
Jaxon Nelson

Based and redpilled. fuck governments.

Austin Lewis
Austin Lewis

that would be racist (and that's a good thing)

Jaxson Gonzalez
Jaxson Gonzalez

It really was. And an even smally minority among the revolutionaries decided to go insane and start chopping everyone's heads off in the name of equality until a small corsican army man was crowned monarch.

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

They live in areas where you won't probably find a single nigger.
lol tell me where the fuck that is, i'm packing my bags

also don't pretend every single french movie, tv show, song, radio, newspaper etc etc isn't multiculti as fuck

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

Well that’s the thing. If you do tax them more, you risk them leaving all together and then you lose ALL of their taxable money.
American logic
No, it’s human logic. People go where they benefit the most.

Say you live just west of downtown Toronto and work at company A in downtown Toronto making $25/hr. But you find out that the EXACT same job pays $45/hr in Mississauga. You’d probably go to Mississauga as soon as possible. Essentially the companies are doing the same thing. They go where there is most benefit. This is human nature.
Well I think companies know they will get taxed anywhere they go, but they do what they can
60% are you fucking serious?

How does it feel knowing you lose more than half of your check to the government? I pay 22% and that pisses me off. I feel sorry for you lad

Jose Ross
Jose Ross

Depends where you live. You'll probably have to go to a bigger city. But yeah, having a diploma (not in some kind of bullshit like psychology) does help.
Seriously, just get a diploma in computer science and you'll easily find a well-paid job.

John Flores
John Flores

Those vests are green tho

Kayden Hall
Kayden Hall

I imagine they are like our Facebook comment section warriors, just grumpy provincials in their 40s that hate the government, the opposition and niggers.

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

I didn’t say that makes everything they do “ok”. But it’s the reality of it.

Justin Clark
Justin Clark

Inequality is pretty low in France. Minimum net monthly salary is 1250€, 80% percentile net salary is like 2400€. It's an extremely low difference compared to almost every country. Do you want to push this even more? The results would be disastrous.

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

mostly in their 20s

Cameron Thompson
Cameron Thompson

France is socialist as fuck, except a handful of ultra rich that can afford to optimize their taxes and "live" in Switzerland everybody pay too much taxes, The State should start to cut down on spending before taxing people even more.

Wyatt Morales
Wyatt Morales

there is no area without a single nigger, you dumb camelshit
you think going to school with ragheads makes people happy?

Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

When I see a very large group of them in wide shots they seem to be mostly middle aged, especially in the beginnnig. Only the ones in the front lines fighting the cops seem to be younger.

Ethan Peterson
Ethan Peterson

At this point I'm sure their only real goal is dragging down the wealthy people to their own level, as if some other people having money is holding them back. The 1% are a problem but most often this is just the 50% below-median wagers being angry at the 49% above-median wage.

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

I'm soon getting a PhD in physics, live in a big city and I'm still poor, and still will get average wages. How sheltered do you have to be to hold an opinion such as yours.

Hunter Scott
Hunter Scott

saying literally on the day a guy snapped and killed 50 people, because even in the small villages in buttfuck nowhere eastern france he saw a minority of white people

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

It is. Thilo Sarrazin some good insight on this topic. Basically with the advent of modern day social democracies everyone who had an iota of wits about them has packed their bags and pulled themselves up. Contemporary underclass in prosperous European countries by far and large consists of people who are practically too stupid or lazy too improve their social standing.

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Matthew Bennett
Matthew Bennett

This. It's mostly 40 yo white boomers commenting every article on Facebook with passive aggressive remarks

Parker Clark
Parker Clark

Lad you can come here. I’ve actually noticed an increasing population of francophones where I live.

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

doesn't matter what people say, they're actually angry about NIGGERS even if they don't know it

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Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

Why do you think a fundamental science degree alone should entitle you to anything more financially?

William Richardson
William Richardson

just move bro
ok where do I move
NOOO STAY IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY
fucking hell I'm starting to hate everyone on this site. Is that the default response to everyone wanting to move elsewhere until they proclaim they hold a diploma in some specialization?

Jayden Lewis
Jayden Lewis

What if they're just angry in general about a lot of things like says?
We have those people too and they just hate anything that isn't Geert Wilders.

Jeremiah Young
Jeremiah Young

I'm not sure I'd like to live in the US tbqh, I love your nature, but your cities look pretty awful, and your work culture is strange

Landon Robinson
Landon Robinson

Because he invested his time and energy into a degree that is relevant to the job market.

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

yellow vests all fascist racist redneck fn voters !
what do you mean they care about immigration ? obviously they're just asking for gibs

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Parker Wright
Parker Wright

The only thing all Yellow vest can agree on is the RIC (referedum like in Switzerland) But obviously, except the populists, all politicians are against it as it would make them somewhat useless. It will probably won't happen even if like 80% of the french are for it

Carson Edwards
Carson Edwards

You're not even working yet. What the fuck do you expect? That the government should give money to students just like they do in Denmark? Fine, then pay more taxes.

If you get an average wage (around 1800€ net?), you won't be poor, except if you live in Paris.

James Thomas
James Thomas

Because it's more useful to society and humanity in general than a movie actor or a trader perharps?

Jace Perry
Jace Perry

Why do you discuss these things rationally? It's obvious that you can't afford taxes on the rich or more welfare and people demanding this are stupid. The only reason populist extremists like literal communists and fascists support this is because they WANT the current government to break appart and some sort of revolution to follow, and even though they are contributing to the bad economy they know they can easily blame neoliberals for everything like they usually do because the very concept of balancing the budget is jewish/capitalist conspiracy theory made up to oppress the poor or some shit. And they are right.

Carson Johnson
Carson Johnson

I mean, if you could get a job making a lot more in a different country, that could be a reason to move. If I could make way more in Europe then i’d try to move there.
Why do you think that? It all depends where you live. For example, Washington DC is a big city, and just an hour to the west you have the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenandoah River.

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Christopher Sanchez
Christopher Sanchez

I'm comparing with my country and you literally can't escape it here, even the small towns have muslims and africans now. I'm assuming France is similar

Justin Parker
Justin Parker

It isn't though. Physics degree is only relevant for research in physics or related disciplines. Those who aren't in research work as code monkeys, number crunchers or management consultants. And for all those things there are much shorter and much more relevant educational pathways.

Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

Not gonna lie I couldn't afford to live if I wasn't paid for it.
And do you find it normal to be given an average wage when you're part of the .5% top educated, and work more hours than average?

Joshua Howard
Joshua Howard

How? Utility comes from the work you accomplish, not from your credentials. See

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

I’m sure his degree could easily translate over into the Aerospace/Defense industry which France has a large presence in.

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

and work more hours than average?
How many hours do you really work?
I just got a job and am shocked at how few hours the average full-timer works over here. I always thought working would suck my life empty but most people here arrive at like 8:30 and leave at 16:00 and 15:00 on friday.

Robert Perez
Robert Perez

but most people here arrive at like 8:30 and leave at 16:00 and 15:00 on friday.
what exactly were you expecting you wannabe slave

Nathaniel Wright
Nathaniel Wright

I expected people to grind from 8:00-17:00 or something like that.

Ayden Murphy
Ayden Murphy

What do you call not slavery?

Cameron Perry
Cameron Perry

T. Ambtenaar

John Hernandez
John Hernandez

This is exactly what Macron said though. During a tv interview he flat-out stated "if someone promises you more government jobs and lower taxes, he's lying to you". The response of the French people was, of course, that this was "arrogant".

The irony here is that the French Revolution was a bourgeois revolution in the name of market freedom. The exact things these yellow clad socialists oppose.

Mason Long
Mason Long

Seems to me that the US cities are just too big. Euro cities are more compact in general (Paris, London and co are exceptions).

True, and discoveries in science can be useful to the whole humanity for ages. A baker's work is essential, but only for his customers and in a short amount of time.

Liam Howard
Liam Howard

You shouldn't work more than 8h a day

Benjamin Sanders
Benjamin Sanders

Yes, it's a generalist degrees that can translate in many lateral things. Point still stands there are easier ways to get in same positions and start your career earlier.

Benjamin Ross
Benjamin Ross

Not him but it's not the government role to give you money if you fail to get it.
Yellow jacket protesters don't understand that if they want to improve their situation it's up to them to do it, they're too lazy to do anything about it, so they want the government to give them the money.
Then they complain about taxes. Then the government tries to lower spending to avoid creating taxes. Then they complain about reduced public services.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson

It's a matter of offer and demand. Scientific fields in France are kinda saturated, more applicants than job offers, so it's no wonder the wage are not as high as they effort put into the studies. You can try going abroad then.

What can I say, it's like that, you have to be pragmatic. Some studies may not be interesting, buy you'll get money, and what you are interested in may not get you money, that's life.

Jaxon Cox
Jaxon Cox

he's a shitskin

Noah Allen
Noah Allen

What do you call not slavery?
not having to spend more than 8 hours a day at work

Dylan King
Dylan King

he's doing it for free

Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

No, not at all. I did an internship at the gemeente before this job and the amount of hours worked is the same, only difference is people get shit done.

Lincoln Cruz
Lincoln Cruz

It's usually something like 8:30 to 19:30, also working in the weekends sometimes but at a slower pace.

Henry Jones
Henry Jones

How do you think all these things came about? They were certainly not handed down peacefully by the benign ruling class, dipshit. All these benefits where the result of worker's mobilization and demanding them in the streets.

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

going to university
ever
For what purpose? Here you can become upper class by finishing high school in one of our specialized public schools and almost instantly get a job after graduating

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

what a shit life

Charles Gray
Charles Gray

honestly I'd kill myself if I were you

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

Yeah some cities here are pretty damn big. But you don’t have to exactly work in the city. With your degree, you could get a job in Northern Virginia easily I think. It’s full of aerospace and defense jobs. Literally an unlimited amount. Plus Airbus and Safran have offices here.
But he’s also going for his PhD which most people don’t do

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

They can, but they aren't necessarily, whereas fresh brioches are relevant every day.

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

Anyone here watching the stream of the protests? It seems pretty boring.

youtube.com/watch?v=bgVohkV34xA

Juan Adams
Juan Adams

Not him but it's not the government role to give you money if you fail to get it.
This

Our leftist here are pushing for a $1,000/m “allowance” to ALL citizens from the government. Fucking retards actually believe that this is good for us, but all it really means is we will be paying more in taxes

Liam Roberts
Liam Roberts

Boomers are 70 year olds, dude.

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

All that is bad, s*cialist scum. I'm fed up paying for the others. In America they earn twice as much as us, but their money is theirs and they do what they want of their money.

Chase Jenkins
Chase Jenkins

ngl I want to quit this stressful and shitty situation once I get my diploma

Jackson Foster
Jackson Foster

You do realize the nature of some jobs require this, right?

Isaac Rivera
Isaac Rivera

Worker's rights = socialism = communism and communism killed 500 billions people. Are you advocating murder?

Evan Jackson
Evan Jackson

it is
twitter highlights are better
usually i just go there
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Adam Johnson
Adam Johnson

Yellow for brightness. Green for cone cells.

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Maybe because I don't seethe every time I see a nigger, except for suburbs parts around some medium/big cities, most areas outside of Paris are quite nigger-free to me. Not much niggers in Vendée or in the Centre for example.
The problem are the banlieues, which should be burned with fire. The gilets jaunes don't live in banlieues.

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

I'm really curious what our societies will be like in 50 years or so. I doubt with our aging populations we can keep living like this.
The Netherlands is already slowly stripping down our welfare state.
We will probably end up like the US except without money or freedom.
Pretty unthinkable over here by now.

Xavier Rivera
Xavier Rivera

You unironically can sue. Unless you're military or something..
Any hour worked above 35h must be either compensated for, or transfer into paid vacation (RTT).
I get paid 44k euros for less than 35 hour a week and get more than a month of paid vacation. Change your job.

Christian Carter
Christian Carter

This is our federal tax bracket. You’re welcome to come here mon ami

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Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

That's a bad definition. A freer man who decides to check out of society to live by himself in the wilds might have to work longer for a time to survive. Is he a slave?

Thinking that you're not a slave because the government has laws to spend a few hours a day less inside an office building is pretty stupid. And it can only afford that because western euros are rich.

Ryan Cox
Ryan Cox

Modern day universities survive by reputation alone and are very much a political thing. Think of all the girls studying gender studies, then demanding that the government creates jobs (or forces companies by law to create jobs) that require a gender studies degree.

Personally I'd say the problem is that every single education is financed. I'm not going to discuss whether or not tertiary education should be financed, but what I am going to say is that everyone can agree that financing meaningless degrees is useless. What would be better is to finance education demanding on supply. IT specialist shortage? Everyone doing IT gets a full scholarship. Law getting a bit stuff? The first 5,000 people signing up get a scholarship. Art history, Women's studies and Lesbian dance therapy? Nobody's going to stop you from studying it, but nobody's going to pay for it either.

Though this won't happen as long as women vote and protect their meaningless meme degrees.

That 30 year old boomer who doesn't know the latest memes

Jose Green
Jose Green

getting a job is becoming upper class

Landon Adams
Landon Adams

Pretty unthinkable over here by now
I guarantee you that there are jobs that have to do that.

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

yes and you do realize not everyone wants to live their life like that?
To each their own, I've already been in a similar position where I'd go to work, come home, sleep and go back to work, sometimes not even having the sunday off. It wasn't even well-paid. It is a miserable existence

Grayson Green
Grayson Green

The only people I can think of with such work schedules work on projects such as welding and do short sprints of 12 hour - 6 days and then have an equal time off.
You are not even legally allowed to work over 48 hours and 5 days per week for an extended period of time over here

Daniel Fisher
Daniel Fisher

Not really. I get RTT but I don't use it since I don't have time. I left 12 days of vacation without using them last year. That's the PhD student life for you.

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

French revolution was successful because it was done by majority

Remember the ratio of peasants compared to priests and nobility?

Joseph Morris
Joseph Morris

STILL protest for 18 WEEKS to ask the government for even more
Too bad they don't go for dynamite yet or don't try to overthrow the government to implement the real changes.
democratically elected,
If the only possible candidates are money bags, this is not democracy.
Most of them lack any kind of political culture or intelligence.
That's quite visible by their demands list.

John Lee
John Lee

Of course not everyone wants to. But some jobs demand it. For example, pilots will be away from home for 4 days at a time sleeping in hotels. They typically are only home 3 days a week

Easton Butler
Easton Butler

well being a pilot is a lot different than being a warehouse wagie, wouldn't you say

Jonathan Stewart
Jonathan Stewart

remember that the protest started as a rural uprising against unfair taxes, the fools you see todays wanting to tax the rich are just LFI plants

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

I know how you feel because I worked like 40-50 hours a week with 5 days of paid vacation in another country before, but you're in France you should assert your rights - or at least change your job later when you can.
By the way untaken RTT should be converted into additional pay I think.

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

Well yeah, but a pilot will put in more hours than a warehouse wagie

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

Damn..

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Joshua Stewart
Joshua Stewart

majority
Only if your notion of majority comes down to class. It was led and spearheaded by middle-class metropolitan bourgeoisie as well.

Adrian Russell
Adrian Russell

no
peasants outnumbered aristocracy = majority
just stop finnshit

Ayden Hughes
Ayden Hughes

pilots
No not anymore. 90% of the pilotes in Europe are bus drivers at this point that do 4 flights per day between RyanAir shitholes like Malaga and London Stampsted Airport and are home again at the end of the day because that's much cheaper than paying away from home money.

William Gray
William Gray

French revolution was successful because it was done by majority
Wrong. It is estimated that you only need the backing of about 15% of the populace to make a revolution succeed. A minority of the Americans wanted independence, a minority of the French wanted liberty, a minority of the Germanoids wanted totalitarian genocide. It's just that the majority is generally completely indifferent.

Remember the ratio of peasants compared to priests and nobility?
Now remember that the Royal & Catholic Army was mostly comprised of peasants. Now remember that Napoleon didn't launch his "whiff of grapeshot" at priests and nobles. What's more important than nobles is the fact that the Bastille was stormed and those commoners (overwhelmingly bourgeois rather than "peasants") managed to arm themselves to fight against the king's cronies if needed.

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

muh gender studies
muh "useless" education
Based stemlord-gang.

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Logan Gray
Logan Gray

Actual communists hated organized labor and social democracy anyway; they said it was just the capitalist class throwing the workers a bone to keep them from revolting.

Juan Sanders
Juan Sanders

stemlord-gang
nice

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

wrong, the protest started as a white uprising against jewish tyranny
nothing has changed

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Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Really? Interesting. In the US and Canada, pilots go on 3-4 day long trips. They get paid the entire time they are away from home.

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

REMEMBER: every time some boomer cunt complains about workers demanding better working hours and conditions show this chart of how wages have barely grown during the last 40 while average productivity has more than doubled in the mean time.

There is nothing, NOTHING, wrong with demanding that your pay matches your productivity. Bonus points if you ask them where they think all the wealth that has been created by the growth in productivity went to instead of higher wages for workers.

Answer: it went right into the stock portfolios of the financial aristocracy.

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Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

By the way untaken RTT should be converted into additional pay I think.
Yeah I'm gonna talk with HR about it, but I'm not sure I'll get it since I have no leverage, and it could actually make me lose money since I don't earn enough to pay taxes.

Brody Smith
Brody Smith

No but we have middle aged boomers who complain that the state is shit and doesn't give money for free while smoking contraband cigarettes buying contraband diesel and barely pay any taxes.

Robert Watson
Robert Watson

honestly I'm not sure if I'd mind that too much, it really can't be compared to the regular wagie job which is dull as fuck and pays like shit

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

There is nothing, NOTHING, wrong with demanding that your pay matches your productivity.
Are the yellow vests demanding that? No they are not. They're just angry people who want to smash shit up. I actually was tolerating of them until the tax was repealed, they got 100 euros a month to sweeten the pot and they STILL decided to destroy the Arc de Triomphe. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if most of them don't even know about that chart, let alone why it exists or how to solve it.

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

If you are really interested in this look up 'Wendover productions' on Youtube. It's ultra Reddit but interesting regardless. He has a video on pilot life nowadays and it's just awful.
youtube.com/watch?v=cognzTud3Wg

And also in the US and Canada most pilots just fly around cargo or fly to Florida and back. These are the silent majority. The ones that actually get to do international routes are the lucky few.

Samuel Moore
Samuel Moore

Ah yes inflation because of increased government spending and deficits made possible by increasing the money supply constantly. Seriously fuck boomers

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

You're all dumb.

It's a matter of who pays the taxes. They want less taxes for their kind: the working people. More taxes for the capital owners, the rich, the cooperations.

That's what this is about.

Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

glorified bus drivers
Cringe.

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

Pilots aren’t always flying the entire time tho. As an example.

Pilot flies from Paris to let’s say Bucharest. Pilot sits in the airport for 6 hours due to a maintence delay. Pilot then flies the plane to Nice. Sits in Nice for 3 hours before flying back to Paris. He’s already been on duty for more than 13-14 hours. But only actually flew for maybe a total of 5 hours.

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

This was maybe common in the 90s. Nowadays pilots and planes are made efficient as hell.

Levi Ramirez
Levi Ramirez

//boards.Jow Forums.org/pol/

Wyatt Young
Wyatt Young

just play vidya during the downtime

Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

that's only what some want, it wasn't about that when the protests started

Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

The ones that actually get to do international routes are the lucky few.
Not really. Even junior pilots get international routes. It just depends on what airline you work for and what aircraft you fly. A junior pilot who flies the 737 on United Airlines for example will fly in Canada, Mexico, all over the Caribbean and even some South American countries

James Adams
James Adams

They want less taxes for their kind: the working people. More taxes for the capital owners, the rich, the cooperations.
So what they want is for those who provide them with jobs to move abroad and provide jobs for others? So it's an affair where they don't want to pay for their own social services, but want others to pay for their social services? So they want a system that rewards failure and punishes success?

Why am I not surprised?

Christopher Rodriguez
Christopher Rodriguez

70k als bauleiter verdienen ist nicht oberklasse
Fickts eich

Daniel Hall
Daniel Hall

They're just angry people who want to smash shit up

This is what happens if you watch media of rich people paid by richer people telling you to hate poor people.

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

Low income wage earners don't pay income taxes
They possibly also get money stipend to pay electricity and gas. Also some money for rent in some cases.
The rest of the taxes is paid by everyone (fuel, food)
They want o tax the middle class/upper middle class even more to get even more free gibs and drag everyone to their shitty situation they're responsible for

John Kelly
John Kelly

junior pilot
United Airlines
Have fun applying to United without 3 years of experience flying jets for $30 per hour.

Blake Hall
Blake Hall

I sincerely doubt french rurals are interested in defending those poor helpless billionaires from paying taxes.

Jack Parker
Jack Parker

I’m a pilot and you wouldn’t believe the things that can break on brand new aircraft.
Oh they do. Airports have lounges for their pilots and they have luxury reclining chairs, TVs and video games for them

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

The ones smashing qhit up are antifa in the vast majority, and only use theGJ as a pretext to chimp out

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

Well, the yellow vests certainly aren't contradicting the narrative.

John Jones
John Jones

They were certainly not handed down peacefully by the benign ruling class
Just like freedom out of serfdom wasn't handed down by the ruling class in feudal France and only existed because of socialist revolts before socialists or actual unions even existed as a concept? The european elite ended feudalism voluntarily, except maybe in england where you actually had a peasant revolt and a civil war.

Regulation of labor and some workers rights were granted before socialism became a thing as well. The idea of treating workers like cattle was completely irrational to the elites because treating the plebs like trash is fucking stupid and the elites don't always behave stupidly and this has been known since ancient times.

Marx was an apocalyptic retard who made anti-establishment propaganda using the worst cases of worker mistreatment because he wanted people to think it was impossible for workers to have a better life without violent revolution so his little thesis about an inevitable workers revolt would make sense when it failed to materialize.

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

man I should've become a pilot, sounds cozy and more interesting to do then the other transportation means

Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

If you are a pilot you know much more than I do.
All I know is things I have read and seen and they are about how companies like RyanAir manage to treat air-travel like a bus company. Employees are paid jack shit, are always on the road but are also home at the end of the day so you don't have to pay them hotels etc.

Blake Hughes
Blake Hughes

That's right. And you can only do that at an European level.
Anyway, companies are already heavily taxed in France, and inequality is not that high here. These people want the system to change, but the one they want may not be better than the current one.

Jonathan Cooper
Jonathan Cooper

Higher class is the class that owns means of production. You can't become capitalist by becoming an employee. You can become capitalist either by buying a share of business, or creating one from zero.

Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

I agree.

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Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

The european elite ended feudalism voluntarily,
Pfffthahahaha, they shit their pants because Napoleon or the threat of him forced them to.

Julian Gonzalez
Julian Gonzalez

good luck becoming Brazil

Austin Mitchell
Austin Mitchell

They're just angry people who want to smash shit up.

No

they got 100 euros a month to sweeten the pot

No

STILL decided to destroy the Arc de Triomphe

Never happened

Matthew Powell
Matthew Powell

That was 10 years ago.

Regional airlines pay much more now. This is Republic Airline’s (a small regional) payscale for First Officers by year. That pay is also not including an additional $2.05/h per deim that is paid on top of their hourly rate for every hour they are away from home. Add onto that a $17,500 sign on bonus. Republic also does Carib flying

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Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

Lad you can come here.
borderline impossible to do it legally

Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

Pretty sure they want more taxes for richfags, and not the middle classes. That's the whole point of taxes, redistributing wealth, and it's not working so well in France right now.

Easton Gutierrez
Easton Gutierrez

Social mobility is a myth, user. The rich aren't rich due to "hard work".

Tyler Foster
Tyler Foster

sofort aus der Schule Bauleiter mit 70k
Are you underage or something?

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

Pfffthahahaha, they shit their pants because Napoleon or the threat of him forced them to.
Feudalism in western europe ended BEFORE the french revolution you mongoloid leaf. The french revolution wasn't about feudalism. The serf class in france was already unexistent at that time.

Brayden Sanchez
Brayden Sanchez

The european elite ended feudalism voluntarily

Imagine thinking this

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

Serfdom disappeared and workers' rights grew because growing wealth and literacy made people demand a higher quality of life. And yes, Marx was a retard who didn't imagine organized labor or social democracy being a thing.

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

Yeah, but before redistributing wealth, well, you need wealth.

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

He meant high income, not high class in sociocultural sense.

Landon King
Landon King

Tell that to the Russians or the greater parts of Eastern Europe

Adam Turner
Adam Turner

Is this good pay by US standards?
What kind of difference in experience/degree do you need to be co-pilot rather than pilot?

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

They did. Peasants would buy their freedom. They didn't do it because they were nice, they did it beacause it was profitable and because they didn't want to antagonize the peasantry. The ones that did ended up having revolts.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

elite

Nebulous and undefined term that is used to purposely obfuscated and conflate the ruling aristocracy during feudalism and the bourgeois class which abolished it whose relationship was obviously antagonistic and culminating in violence.

Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

ok retard

Social mobility is a myth
pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/reports/economic_mobility/pursuingamericandreampdf.pdf
ok retard

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

Yeah it’s cozy but it costs a lot to do training.
Ryanair is also a low-cost airline though. So it’s not surpringly the pay low

Cameron Morgan
Cameron Morgan

based

Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

Eastern europe is a different story. They were generally poorer and a few century backwards compared to western europe. And they kept serfdom after napoleon as well.

Noah Taylor
Noah Taylor

Not an argument, shill

Josiah Nelson
Josiah Nelson

Ryanair is also a low-cost airline though. So it’s not surpringly the pay low
Exactly. However they are like Amazon in the sense that they are shaking up the entire industry and more or less are making a new standard of what people expect airlines to be like.

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

in western europe
Russians or Eastern Europe
Peak leafposting.

Nathan Miller
Nathan Miller

This is what idiots don't understand. It's called the Laffer Curve. There is an "optimal" tax rate (though where that lies is always subject of debate) where either increasing or decreasing taxes by 1% results in less revenue.

I don't respond to non-arguments with arguments, retard.

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

but it costs a lot to do training.
yea, so I've heard from an acquaintance who recently became one. That would've been on possible barrier.
Christ I need to move out as soon as possible, since I'm already neck-deep into this software dev bullshit I might as well move somewhere where it's at least profitable

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

based

Andrew Cooper
Andrew Cooper

gets ripped off by taxes to support his beloved welfare & vacations
"Oh nonono why do I have peanuts to spend only to make ends meet?"
"Fuck you, I'm not an insectoid. I already work my ass off, are you really suggesting to work longer than the shortest level in this world?"

Will French ever learn that they can't have a cake and eat it?

Christian Turner
Christian Turner

Nope the napoleonic wars forced reformations that ended feudalism there. Read a book.

Colton Fisher
Colton Fisher

Higly-paid employees are not high class either.

Joshua Baker
Joshua Baker

I don't understand the point of this post.

Aiden Murphy
Aiden Murphy

Feudalism in western europe ended BEFORE the french revolution you mongoloid leaf

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Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

Nobody said they were.

Connor Clark
Connor Clark

Most of Europe in premodern times had serfdom of some kind excepting Scandinavia and some parts of Switzerland. In England and the Low Countries it had mostly disappeared by the start of the 16th century.

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Jose Thompson
Jose Thompson

They are considered high class for the GJ. Actually, anyone with a wage of 40k€/year is considered elite and high class by them.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

starting out, it depends. As a brand new pilot if you fly only the minimum number of hours you will earn about $65k/yr during your first year. But if you choose to fly more you could make as much as $100k/yr your first year. This drastically goes up tho as you gain seniority and move on to a bigger airline. Like you said, after about 3 years a regional pilot can go to a big airline like United.

Getting promoted from FO to Captain is just based off experience and when you feel ready to test for the seat.

This is United’s hourly Captain and First Officer rates.

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Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

Serfdom is still a very touchy subject on here for whatever reason. Nobody wants to be from that shithole that was 500 years late to recognizing you don't belong to your liege.

Gavin Rogers
Gavin Rogers

This is what idiots don't understand. It's called the Laffer Curve. There is an "optimal" tax rate (though where that lies is always subject of debate) where either increasing or decreasing taxes by 1% results in less revenue.

Exactly and judging from the high taxes the whole Western World had during the so-called Golden Age of capitalism when wages rose at the same rate of productivity we have to raise taxes significantly to restore the correlation of wage growth and productivity increase before the Keyanist consensus collapsed and governments went mad by applying bullshit reaganomics.

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

It's amusing to see a capitalist having so much time to lecture people about "basic economics" and how lazy they are on a chinese cartoon imageboard. You're still a student right? Why are you so afraid of, commies taking daddy's heritage before he can give it to you?

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Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

Will French ever learn that they can't have a cake and eat it?
Well, it seems they can because they have more GDP per capita than you and work less countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/france/south-korea

Joshua Barnes
Joshua Barnes

I'm a graduate student working on social mobility, but sure.

The pdf you're posting refers to absolute mobility, not relative, as we're discussing here.

Thomas James
Thomas James

Jesus that's a lot of difference between pilot and co-pilot. Also thanks for the informative posts.
What do you do exactly?

James Martin
James Martin

You know there are definitely companies in the US who will sponsor work visas for foreigners who are skilled right?

Elijah Reed
Elijah Reed

excepting Scandinavia and
Sweden was also unique among European states in that the farmers were represented in Parliament.

Lincoln Sullivan
Lincoln Sullivan

what is wrong with france?
they already have insane taxes

Gabriel Thompson
Gabriel Thompson

Translation: the aristocratic elite during feudalism wasn't the same as the rising citizenry elite that replaced it afterwards. In most countries the latter violently overthrew the former or was disempowered to former for threat of violent overthrow.

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

It's almost as if they want the insane taxes to be directed to those living in excess rather than the working folks.

Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

The problem is that you see history from the point of view of lawyers. Feudalism in europe went into rapid decline in the 15th century. Serfdom was in decline around the middle ages in general.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

Yeah it’s a lot. Typically a airline pilot is a co-pilot at a small airline for only 2 years before getting upgraded to captain. In the major airlines like United its a bit longer, 5-6 years. But the pay is still damn good.

I teach people how to fly small airplanes right now. I have to gain more flight hours before i’m Eligible to apply for the regional airlines

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Grayson Nguyen
Grayson Nguyen

I'm aware, but I've got self-confidence issues and still feel like I've no actual proof of my competence due to the lack of a "portfolio" since I can't force myself to make something in my free time.
Even then I've gotten spooked into thinking that only Cali is worth it and honestly (with no offense) the place looks like a hellhole to me. In the meantime I've been aiming for another European country that would appreciate the work but I still can't decide which one and the language barrier makes it harder to choose since you pretty much have to commit

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

France has insane taxes
still, the govt keeps ruining public service because lol, we need money
wonder why people are upset

Wyatt Powell
Wyatt Powell

The Low Countries had established a capitalist economy and had a bourgeois class by the late Middle Ages, they never had the kind of conditions that led to huge feudal estates like in Eastern Europe. In the Netherlands for example, the few titled nobility lived in the countryside and their titles were mostly ceremonial and didn't carry any actual authority.

I mentioned Scandinavia always had free peasantry? Denmark actually did revert into feudal agriculture in the 18th century until reformers in the last 25 years of the century abolished it and returned the peasantry to freedom.

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

The problem is that you see history from the point of view of lawyers
No, I see it from the point of economics. And that "decline" of feudalism haven't damaged the feudal ownership of the land.

Owen Cooper
Owen Cooper

You speak as if the elites areen't interchangeable or are fully conscious collectives acting in their own interest as a formal class. A disproportionate number of aristocrats became successful bourgeoisie, and many business people wanted to be aristocrats and bought titles before the revolution. It was never about class, it was about a group of radicals wanting power.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

It's always hilarious when neoliberals think they have the monopoly on capitalist analysis when all it takes are two charts to prove that everything went to shit as soon as governments fell for their bullshit policy proposals.

Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

Who? Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Netflix etc?

You think it's easy getting a job there lmao
And they'll sooner put you into one of their many european offices which pay lower than in the US

Logan Price
Logan Price

they were protesting against taxes not to tax other more

Austin Sullivan
Austin Sullivan

Very cool stuff, but is this some way of circumventing expensive pilot training?

Jaxon Fisher
Jaxon Fisher

the same ones who import the Indians :^)

Ian Sanders
Ian Sanders

Wait, why's Ireland blue? All the way into the 19th century the peasants were virtual slaves on estates run by English landlords and were considered barely human.

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

Pilots in non-lowcost arilines still get paid out the wazoo. I don't know why you think they're some kind of particularly oppressed class. They just don't have the aura of glamour about the job that they enjoyed last century.

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Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

If this dumb Russian bitch can move to Cali and live like this then you can too

youtu.be/CpAED7Bth28
No, I still had to pay a lot. It’s still really stupidly expensive.

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Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

they never had the kind of conditions that led to huge feudal estates like in Eastern Europe

Curiously, Russia did not either. Feudalism had never really been established there and there was no concept of noble rights like with the Magna Carta. Ivan the Terrible thoroughly smashed the boyar clans and brought them under his control; from that point onward until the Russian Revolution, nobility didn't have any real political power and the tradition of a highly authoritarian, centralized state was well established.

Joseph Hughes
Joseph Hughes

economics
Same thing.Economics = law. Capitalism wasn't even a planned concept with this name. It's just that socialists looked at their own societies and the types of laws they had to make them that way and gave it a name.
And that "decline" of feudalism haven't damaged the feudal ownership of the land
No, it was about more worker freedom not land distribution. Historically, land distribution truly has only materialized through violence, I'm grant you this. Worker's rights however, the elites are willing to give peacefully. That was my entire point.

Nolan Carter
Nolan Carter

oh no no no it's not easy to get a high-paying prestigious job
No shit, Hrvoje.

Matthew Nguyen
Matthew Nguyen

sillicon valley
ugh...

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

The pajeets directly hired at these companies aren't really underpaid.

The true pajeet wageslaves get employed through Indian contracting agencies.

Contractors get treated like literal slave underclass at Google, they have their own little nazi tier jew stars to mark them and they're barred from entering certain areas.

Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

This is JetBlue’s pay. They are a low cost airline here

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Ian Collins
Ian Collins

This.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

But both Feudalism and Serfdom was common elements of living in Europa up into early 1900s.
And what is funny is that the transition went from Knight -> Landlord -> Venture Capitalist for those who succeed, and into many large companies in the early 1800s for the more 'civilized' world.

Serfdom was still a thing in the early 1800s, even when literacy and national newspapers became a thing at a larger scale than before. And newspapers for regions and areas turned into some extreme efforts to build nations, superentities far larger than anything a city state is capable:
A entity that actually controls the land between the city states, and is actually capable of enforcing its borders.

Marx was an apocalyptic retard
You could be honest and just say you haven't read Marx.
Marx was unique among his more charismatic contemporaries because his material was backed by empirical analyze. Most of his conclusions is terrible, or lead nowhere. But the empirical analyze is so solid his legacy outlived his more charismatic socialist contemporaries with larger personal cults.

Marx's view on capitalism by itself isn't that terrible complex: Power breeds power, money breeds money, and empirically once its centralized its sealed in a genie bottle.
And genie bottles are hard to unseal, especially when power means influence, and influence is larger than what a single person can do.

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

Same thing.Economics = law.
No. Law is derived from economics and economics determine the way humans live and act.
Material dominates the ideal. And ideal here is the law.

Robert Davis
Robert Davis

Uhmmm this Slovenian did it too

youtu.be/ijSdWwRR_-Y

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

mmmuh heritage
kys

Lucas Gutierrez
Lucas Gutierrez

Do people stay first officer for 12 years? I thought it took like 3-5 to get enough hours for a captain.

Noah Sullivan
Noah Sullivan

Well, it seems they can because they have more GDP per capita than you and work less
I don’t think more gdp per capita is still relevant when your taxes are high enough to turn the table.
ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_take-home_pay.html

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Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

Marx's view on capitalism by itself isn't that terrible complex: Power breeds power, money breeds money, and empirically once its centralized its sealed in a genie bottle.

That's all well and good, but the problem was his "solution" to this simply led to a greater centralized tyranny.

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

you’re not forced to upgrade and sometimes people don’t want to upgrade because they don’t want the extra responsibility. Most people upgrade at 4-5 years

Austin Scott
Austin Scott

My entire point was that only high tier companies can get you a legal path into the USA, it's unrealistic to make it (the people who do don't bitch about it on Jow Forums at least, they do summer internships there since like age 20)

A more realistic route would be to go for a mid tier EU company working for 40-50k a year.

She got an EB1 visa somehow. Which is really bizarre to me because she comes off dumb as fuck and essentially serves as an ad machine on social media. Probably had some really good legal connections.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

She is dumb as fuck. I know it can be done though. I live in northern Virginia and there are TONS of euros here. I know 3 French, a Romanian, a Norwegian, and 2 brits. None of them are US citizens either. So somehow they are getting visas

Leo Foster
Leo Foster

You're a moron.

Evan Stewart
Evan Stewart

French people still receive more services because they pay more taxes, your goverment instead prefer not to care about you.

James Myers
James Myers

But both Feudalism and Serfdom was common elements of living in Europa up into early 1900s
It is generally accepted that it went into deep decline after the 15th century in western europe, even if it expanded in the east. I have gone overboard by saying it "ended" because formally it didn't I suppose, but my point is that it's decline wasn't brought down by radical revolution.
Material dominates the ideal. And ideal here is the law.
If that's the case ancient greek or roman style slavery would naver stop existing when it did. Either economics are more idealistic than you think, or laws are more materialistic.

Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

meant to quote as well.

Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

literally insulting people for saying the truth about people that most probably aren't even related to you and just happened to share your language, religion and culture
What a boot licker, surely you are a monarchist too right?

Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

only high tier companies can get you a legal path into the USA
Eh? Your personal credentials get you where you want to be, not the size of your firm. The only extra opportunity transnationals provide is being transferred internally from office in one country to another without changing your employer.

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

You're on the other side of a really really narrow funnel.

Of course it's possible but the main route of entry (H1B) serves as a literal lottery essentially, if I got a job at Google I still only have a 30% chance of actually getting the Visa through the lottery system.

The other route would be transfering through a european office branch via a L1B visa.
That involves getting a job at an American company in Europe working there for 1-2 years and hoping there is some option and will from them to transfer you over to the US.

Outside of those two (and marrying someone) the other visas are really unfeasible.

I think this system is pretty sensible from the point of view of your high skilled workers though. It protects you from global competition.

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

Well in a way he is right. It’s unlikely for a small company to pay the costs and go through the hassle of sponsoring a visa. Large companies have money and the assets to make it happen

Gabriel Richardson
Gabriel Richardson

Your personal credentials get you where you want to be, not the size of your firm
In the US of A foreign workers have to be bought in through a system which heavily benefits bohemoths like Google.

Jaxson Evans
Jaxson Evans

Also
You could be honest and just say you haven't read Marx.
I have. I was forced fed a lot of his writings since highschool. Probably why I didn't like him after I got out of school.

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

Thats a bit deceptive user.
His 'solutions' vary between empirical analyze and random ideas that essentially turns into some idealistic version of 'lets try to ignore human nature, i am sure that will work out'

The true horror of socialism is that you want some kind of collective bargaining at all levels of society, to avoid centralization of power in a particular class. I.e Lawyers, Politicians, Aristocrats, Merchants, etc.
But the reality is that you still need people to represent other people, which will centralize power.
And once thats centralized, it might be better than other solutions because the 'centralized' are not of one social class. But it will still lead to centralization, and centralization leads to more centralization, until you get to the point where Stalin ceases power and rules uncontested unto his loyal party members decides to let him die a natural death from alcohol and food poisoning.
At which point things gets wacky, because the centralized power under Stalin is now a very flat structure, which repeats itself unto USSR dissolves itself over lack of ambition in its leadership.

I really don't like the usage of language.
generally accepted
deep decline
even if
never elaborating on used terminology or their foundation
Thats a lot of weasel wording for trying to have a opinion.
but my point is that it's decline wasn't brought down by radical revolution.
?
The ENTIRE ECONOMIC SYSTEM changing was what finally killed feudalism. In the 1900s.
Thats as 'radical revolution' as you can get.

Justin Gonzalez
Justin Gonzalez

I see this has touched a nerve, but "serfdom" has a meaning regardless of how angry and spit-flecked your rants are. The map is accurate.

Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

I honestly don’t know about how visas work here. But I am pretty sure work visas are completely different than the lottery.

The lottery is just because someone wants to move here. But work and student visas are different. There are fuck loads of international students here on student visas

David Butler
David Butler

It is generally accepted that it went into deep decline after the 15th century in western europe, even if it expanded in the east. I have gone overboard by saying it "ended" because formally it didn't I suppose, but my point is that it's decline wasn't brought down by radical revolution.
The Black Plague had a lot to do with it. Europe suffered huge population losses, especially of young, fit adults, the demographic most affected by the plague. This resulted in the labor supply shrinking and becoming more expensive.

Noah Cruz
Noah Cruz

Your personal credentials get you where you want to be, not the size of your firm.

The size of the firm definitely influences the H1B visa process. Or I should say more the size of the company's legal team.

Think of it from the company's viewpoint.

Getting a foreigner hired legally through a H1B involves several thousands of dollars in legal fees for only a 30% chance of that person getting the visa.

If you're a small company with no experience in the process it really doesn't make sense to go through the process when you have the vast US labor market to satisfy pretty much any labor needs you need.

H1B salaries are public, if you look at the data it's almost all big companies sponsoring for it.

Luke Smith
Luke Smith

Ok then, so the serf class necessary for feudalism to exist was dying and going extinct before the french revolution, but you needed the french revolution because without it feudalism would have reverted back to becoming stronger somehow?
The Black Plague had a lot to do with it.
This is also correct.

Jayden King
Jayden King

30% chance of that person getting the visa.
I really don’t think this is true for work visas

Hudson Green
Hudson Green

Okay.

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Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

French people still receive more services because they pay more taxes
By more services are you referring to stuffs like free health education and healthcare? That’s all? You’re incredibly stupid then

Owen Hill
Owen Hill

They get denied pretty often.
H1B salaries are public, if you look at the data it's almost all big companies sponsoring for it.
Kek I looked them up they all make at least $100k per year for something which pays maybe €60k in Yurop.

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

*free healthcare and education

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

I know a Romanian woman here and she makes $145k/yr to do accounting

Jordan Scott
Jordan Scott

Ok

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Matthew Thomas
Matthew Thomas

My firm has their accounting office in Poland or whatever and they make maybe €1.2k per month which makes them comfortable top 30% there.

Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

I'm not talking about the green card lottery.

I'm talking about H1B the most common work visa.

The government has a cap of 60k regular H1B visas and 20k H1B visas for foreigners with a US masters' degrees.

If there's more applicants than the allowed cap, the visas are granted randomly through a lottery system. Because there's always more applicants then the cap the chance is about 30% that you'll get picked

Student visas are usually F1, they're simple to get, you just need to have a valid university position. If you're a STEM student you're allowed to find a job for a max up to 3 years after graduating. You can't apply for a green card on that visa though you have to get some kind of dual intent visa (like an H1B)

Xavier Robinson
Xavier Robinson

In fact not only this is correct, it's quite the paradox. Feudalism died down in europe more so because poor people died during the black death and more or less created a middle-class society in europe and not so much because of a violent revolution that killed many of the wealthy.

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

Oh alright. That might be changing though. Trump actually said 2 months ago that this year he is going to expand the number of work visas we will accept for skilled jobs

Leo Bell
Leo Bell

Kek I looked them up they all make at least $100k per year for something which pays maybe €60k in Yurop.

Which is why people go through the hellish process. American salaries for professional jobs are generally much higher than in Europe. It's the land of haves and have nots after all.

redbus2us.com/what-is-h1b-visa-lottery-process-what-has-uscis-done-that-in-past/

Parker Lewis
Parker Lewis

Yeah that's very good of him. It's ridiculous how badly the US manages highly-educated foreign people despite begging for them.

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

Finland sends few billions to foreign oil dictators for oil every year. If we had electric cars all that would stay in Finland. The economic benefits would be huge and benefit everyone.

I don't have numbers but if I had to guess France's numbers are something like 10-20 bn euro per year to foreign oil dictators. The yellow jackets should actually be protesting for Electric cars. That's why it really makes me think who's agitating these retard protests. All the Russians in this thread support these protests.

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Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

I think our problem is the demand of people trying to come in is so high it just makes it a nightmare to process

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

There is an artificial cap on the amount of people that can come which Google alone manages to fill if they wanted to.

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

There was a proposal for a points based system like Canada has, where workers get points based off of their language skills, education, job offer, salary in the job etc.

Honestly it seemed much more sensible than the H1B shit.

Lincoln Morales
Lincoln Morales

Yeah I remember hearing that, and that might be what trump was referring to. He said he wants our system to be merit based

Alexander Ward
Alexander Ward

I thought Depardieu and Van Damme moved to Russia because of heavy taxes for the rich.

Throw the dog a bone here and tell us how the rich are taxed in France. IIRC all the aristocrats had to sell their castles in 70s because the Commie tier government taxed them the fuck out.

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

Black plague also resulted in there being more land than farmers, settled prime farmland.
Agriculture and livestock might hampered by population size, but the end result is that there was now more food and less manpower.
Which lead to a lot of realpolitikal consequences, such as less yet more warfare. And stronger city states.

Ok then, so the serf class necessary for feudalism to exist was dying and going extinct before the french revolution, but you needed the french revolution because without it feudalism would have reverted back to becoming stronger somehow?
Feudalism is a glorified defense pact, that also results in a flat and extremely steep power structure because somebody needs to rule.
And once thats rolled out, you have rich landowners who is capable of fielding extremely expensive warfare, states that is capable of using taxes to field high tech expensive warfare, but no means of mass production meaning their capabilities to field anything is limited despite impressive economic girth.

Feudalism is a economic and social pyramid scheme, that got set into a somewhat static structure once alliances and marriages was consummated for longer periods of time. This is at the top level.
At the bottom level feudalism is paying protection money to ensure sustainability of life, but without any economics of scale this turns into a form of indentured slave labor with a very static social setup.

So with a system this grand, people will get confused when they analyze Feudalism and its core component: Serfdom
Serfdom isn't needed for Feudalism, but Feudalism will produce Serfdom because of how limited economic activity and social mobility is.
And Serfdom will exist because you need a lot of people to farm the land, fend the livestock, and even more manpower to preserve the harvest.
This is a economic of scale problem, where Feudalism produces Serfdom because it has to.

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

You know that the electricity consumption of electric cars would have to be supplied by fossil fuel generated energy? Renewable energy plants are harder to make function and are more delicate in their production (sun energy can only generate during the day when it's not cloudy, windmills only when there's wind, water are generally more stable I guess), while most fossil fuel generators don't work at full capacity and can easily increase their production, so if suddenly everyone wants to have a electric car, the increased electricity consumption would have to come from fossil fuel.
Electric cars are nice though, just not enough by themselves, EU in general needs to push renewable much more with a long term thinking in order to stop giving money to countries like Saudia Arabia.
Also public transport can help a lot with fuel consumption, it should be pushed as a valid way of moving over cars.

Carson Reed
Carson Reed

I think it's because of so many abuses about family sponsored visa (chain immigration)

Anyway it'll never get passed, Dems will block it.

Adrian Wood
Adrian Wood

have free healthcare
It's not free, you have to pay insurance premiums to the government.

Zachary Mitchell
Zachary Mitchell

Yeah there are fuck loads of abuses. And you’re probably right. They might try to block it because leftists think that skilled workers are bad.

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

You know that the electricity consumption of electric cars would have to be supplied by fossil fuel generated energy?
Unless you are France
In which case its Nuclear power
Or Norway, where its Waterfalls and Hydro.

Michael Ortiz
Michael Ortiz

Terronis do this in my country

Cooper Williams
Cooper Williams

How does it work in Australia? Is it just “tax” or do you actually get charged what you said, a health insurance premium but to the government instead of a company?

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

Curiously, Russia did not either.
What? They owned the serfs and even had rights to hand down corporal punishment on them. Finns who were under in Karelia after 1721 to 1808 found out this and were outraged since Sweden always had free peasantry. This continued basically until 1917 when it was replaced with another kind of slavery until 1991.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Everyone who earns over about $27000 has to pay a 2% Medicare Levy on their income in addition to their income tax. If you earn over $90k, you will be slugged with an additional Medicare Levy Surcharge if you don't have private hospital insurance. If you're over 31 and don't have private hospital insurance, you'll be slugged with a 2% loading on your future premiums for every year you didn't get it. The public hospitals are funded by the federal and state governments.

Dylan Cox
Dylan Cox

Norway is a big exception with very little population, France is also an exception and still uses a bunch of fossil fuel (about 17% according to Wikipedia), and nuclear still has its shares of problems, while it's better than fossil imo.
It's in the best interest of Europe to move their production to renewable, and we are not doing it at a faster rate because of short term thinking of politics.

Tyler Rodriguez
Tyler Rodriguez

If you have private insurance do you still have to pay tax?

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

You still have to pay the Medicare Levy, yes. That's because private medical services are still subsidised by Medicare, albeit less than public ones.

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright

They might try to block it because leftists think that skilled workers are bad.

I think it's because all those family sponsored Pacos Joses and Maria Lucias are more likely to vote dem than rep and have high birth rates.

Anyway as an American you should be happy with how the current legal immigration is setup up, especially if you have a highly paid specialized job. It keeps competition out.

If in some bizarro world you opened your borders to the EU for example you'd see your wages drop to the levels here.

Like that dutch guy said, 60k euros a year is considered a very good salary for a code monkey in western europe.

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

That stinks.

I have government healthcare right now and I don’t like it. I’m going to get private insurance as soon as I can.

Aaron King
Aaron King

That makes sense. Well, with you being a software developer you should apply to some companies here lad. Maybe you could get lucky

Charles Parker
Charles Parker

The thing here is though that recovering oil and refining petrol takes huge amounts of electricity. This alone would power private EVs.

That pic I posted was a hint how electricity would be distributed in a renewable energy situation. UHVDC lines can transport energy for 3300 km with only 5-10 percent losses. So you can transport solar power from Tunis to Finland. Wind power from Moroccoan coast to Germany would cost 3 cents per kwh and it blows 4400 hours per year there. Hydropower is available about the same per year.

For example Finland uses 80 Twh of electricity per year and EV consumption would amount to 5-6 Twh per year so nothing, especially if account the amount of electricity used by Neste to refine crude oil, which is 1,2 Twh.
For reference
youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4
youtube.com/watch?v=1oIH_otyuME

Gabriel Long
Gabriel Long

The thing is that Medicare pays out more than the private health insurance providers in many cases. Medicare has to pay out 75% of the scheduled fee, the health insurance company has to pay out 25%, and you typically pay the gap between the scheduled fee and what your doctor actually charges unless your insurance company has an agreement with the doctor (this is for inpatient services at hospitals). No health system is ever perfect, but I think it works pretty well for most. Everyone pays into the system because everyone's going to need to use it one day.

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

I was thinking of trying to apply to Microsoft Oslo after I graduate this summer.

Hypothetically if I got the job I could transfer to Seattle in a year or two.

And it's not like you're living in poverty as a programmer in the EU, you're just mid tier instead of upper tier like you can potentially be in the USA.

Grayson Perez
Grayson Perez

Feudalism is a glorified defense pact
Ah, I see so we're going to give vague definitions to things. Ok then, so feudalism = capitalism except it deals with land and manpower as that's its capital. And countries with socialist governments are also effectively feudalim as well. I mean, North Korea is basically a monarchy with it's dictatorial system and when its citizens are essentially serfs tied down to the land. Obviously, sovialism is just an alliance between wannabee oligarchs who happened to be revolutionaries and the army.

So everything is feudalism, everything is capitalism and everything is socialism. Good to know. What a fruitful conversation.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

The problem with points based systems is that there's no guarantee that the person allocated a visa based on their points will actually get a job, hence why most countries prefer sponsored work visas. I prefer points based systems though, because you're going after the people who are best educated and have the most experience.

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

Point based systems are also much more prone to abuse.

Ian Phillips
Ian Phillips

The points based system proposed by the GOP was setup in such a way that it was impossible to even be considered if you don't have a job offer that pays more than 150% of the median salary where you'll be moving.

I've looked at Canada's system and it seemed to be possible to move there with just a degree and solid french and english knowledge.

Jason Collins
Jason Collins

How are the services provided tho? Like, wait times and stuff like that?

As an example, I have “free” government healthcare right now. Back in January I went to the doctor because I’m having acne on my back that is bothering me. He said he would send a consult to dermatology to schedule an appointment. Just YESTERDAY I got a phone call from dermatology saying they are ready to schedule me. The reason it took so long is acne isn’t a priority.

However, if I had private insurance I know for a fact I wouldn’t have even needed to go to a normal doctor first. I could have just called a dermatology office and still been scheduled within the same week

Daniel Hughes
Daniel Hughes

Yeah I know that those jobs still pay alright in Europe. But it is nice how to can make much more here and even pay much less in taxes. The euros I know here seem happy and buy really nice things

Hudson Wilson
Hudson Wilson

In what way? Define "abuse".

You need to have a few years of work experience, and there's no guarantee that you'll be selected for a visa. They pick from the highest ranked.

Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

It depends on which state you live in and whether you choose to use a private specialist or a public one. In both cases, Medicare will pay a rebate, but the private ones will see you quicker and will charge you hundreds of dollars out of pocket. You will have to go to a GP before seeing a specialist in order to get a Medicare rebate, even if you see a private specialist, and if you see a private specialist in an outpatient environment, your private insurance won't pay out a penny.

Levi Parker
Levi Parker

In what way? Define "abuse".
PhD in 5 types of engineering from the University of Hydrabad on top of 20 years of experience despite being 25 years old.

Parker Brooks
Parker Brooks

You do need to have your qualifications assessed by an agency which is authorised to do so by the government. Obviously they're not going to fall for something as obvious as 20 years experience when you're 25, but I see your point. There will be a level of fraud (which can be guarded against) in all immigration streams, particularly student visas.

The main issue with points based visas concerns skilled people coming and working in unskilled labour. Ideally that's something you can weed out by requiring the visa to be renewed in a few years and imposing a minimum salary or occupation level.

Lucas Miller
Lucas Miller

but the private ones will see you quicker and will charge you hundreds of dollars out of pocket
Is that additional to the monthly cost of private insurance?

I used to have private insurance until I turned 26. While I was on that I had seen a dermatologist and been to the emergency room twice. Everytime I’ve used my insurance the most I’ve ever been charged per visit was $30 and $30 for prescription meds

Jaxon Gray
Jaxon Gray

Of course there's measures against everything and Australia considering your situation is far ahead in that compared to Europe which doesn't have that much skilled migration going on.
It's just that by having a sponsored VISA you put all the burden and hassle with the employer which is easier than put this on society.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

The private health insurance will not cover visits to outpatient specialists who are covered by Medicare. The insurance will do diddly squid. It only covers inpatient services.

The government subsidises prescription medication for all permanent residents, and visiting a public hospital is free.

Grayson James
Grayson James

Yes, Europe mainly relies on the single market for long-term skilled migration, whereas Australia has a set migration target that it quite likes meeting. And yes, you're quite right, it's a barrier for businesses when they have to get a sponsorship licence, advertise the position locally for a month, pay for a certificate of sponsorship etc. etc. Not to mention it locks the employee into a particular employer which isn't great.

Carson Bennett
Carson Bennett

Shit, I don’t want that to happen here. I think what we need is instead of Medicare for all, the government should force medical costs down and just have people get their own insurance.

Right now there is talk of everyone having Medicare and getting rid of private completely. I like private so much better. I hate my government healthcare

Cooper Mitchell
Cooper Mitchell

Missing the point this badly
You could at the least have quote the entire thing, or the entire structure.

Meanwhile Feudalism is a 3 step pyramid to have a gank alliance and supplies. It doesn't have a economy or social structure like Industrialized societies have.
It needs production to have stuff, but its ability to wage war is not tied to economic factors or production.

Justin Butler
Justin Butler

There are many different ways of managing healthcare. In Belgium, you get insurance through a private company but it's tightly regulated. In the UK, the whole system is nationalised. In Australia, we have a hybrid system. In Singapore, they have mandatory savings accounts for medical expenses. In Canada, each province has their own public insurance plan.

The private medical system is always going to exist; people will always be willing to pay extra to be seen quicker. The system that the US choses to implement is going to be up to them, but it's clear that the costs need to go down. If that means hospitals have to close and salaries for doctors go down, so be it.

Adam Nguyen
Adam Nguyen

this but unironically

Alexander Miller
Alexander Miller

missing my point
Because you're not making any relevant ones. I Can't even say that you're strawmaning me because you're just being autistic. There's no need to explain your idea of feudalism to me like I was defending it somehow.

It doesn't have a economy or social structure like Industrialized societies have
What structure? Modern society only has more structure because people make diagrams and describe it as having a lot of structure and logic, as if were some sort of machine. It doesn't. That's why economists keep fucking up and failing to accurately predict real crises and macroecomic systems people come up with keep getting replaced and falling in disuse.

If anything it had more structure, as wealth, power and who is in charge of the "state" was more simple to understand. The very idea of statehood was more simple and streamlined, even if it wasn't described and dissected by medieval intelectuals as such.

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