If the U.S. attempted an invasion/war against China, how would they do it...

If the U.S. attempted an invasion/war against China, how would they do it? Would they bomb them utterly from air and establish air supremacy or would they head straight from the coast to Beijing, or would they try to go through Manchuria and the northern rural areas first before taking Beijing? Or would they focus more on the economic provinces in the south and centre?

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China is so poor that cutting off their food supply would kill 80% of their population within months

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first off, this tactic is against the Geneva convention. this would be the equivalent of using nuclear weapons. it's political suicide.

an invasion and occupation of china would be extremely difficult. the USA with europe and japan may be able to accomplish this if they are willing to stomach the number of civilian and military casualties. establish air supremacy, blockade ports. occupy major urban centers. push towards inner china after asserting control over the coastal regions. in all, it's really not worth whatever any invasion hopes to gain. same reason why nobody invaded the USSR, cheaper to cripple them economically and force the citizens to do the heavy lifting.

Japan took over the entire east coast of China all by themselves. Chinese have always had a terrible track record of resisting invasion.

Mongol conquest of China: 30 million dead
Manchu conquest of China: 25 million dead
Taiping Rebellion: Minimum 20 million dead, possibly as many as 100 million dead
An Lunshan Rebellion: 13 million dead
Dungan Revolt: 10 million dead
Chinese civil war (1927-49): 7 million dead
Japanese invasion of China (1937-45): 20 million dead

>same reason why nobody invaded the USSR, cheaper to cripple them economically and force the citizens to do the heavy lifting.
Which is exactly what Trump is doing now with his trade war and crashing China's economy with no survivors.

Most of China's population is along the coastline, so establish air superiority and bomb their major population centers

Japan took over china by themselves 70 years ago, things change. china was what? 70billion gdp in 1965? it's now at like 12240billion in 2017. things change dude.

i don't think what trump wants and what he aims to get will cripple china the same way the USSR suffered. at best, he's simply going to get a peace meal offering. china knows the longer they have, the smaller the gap between them and the USA becomes.

China's GDP figure is artificially inflated by sheer population size. The average wage of a working class Chinese is only about $4220 dollars while the average US salary is $44,000.

cmon, you're better then this. the gdp per capita illustrates how well the populace lives. as a nation, the gdp per capita is worthless. because why does it matter how well your citizens live if you can still plow a fuck tonne of resources into your military? is Luxembourg or Singapore a super power even when they have a very high gdp per capita? no, because the actual gdp is small.

Japan was industrialized while China was still using antiquity tier shit, so of course it was in their favor. Manchus were able to enter China when internal Ming defectors opened up the wall, not to mention the other Chinese factions fighting each other while the Manchus could sit back and wait. That leaves only the Mongols as Chinese failing to resist invasion, as the rest of the stuff you listed were internal conflicts so of course they'd have high casualties. Jow Forumstards are so fucking stupid.

>because why does it matter how well your citizens live if you can still plow a fuck tonne of resources into your military?
That was what killed the Soviet Union. They spent everything on the military and people were standing in line to buy the only sausage in the grocery store.

I think you worrying about Chinese over Muslims/Arabs is pretty ironic and pathetic.
But you do you.
Don't cry when your women are popping out Muslim kids by the thousands in the next several months.

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even at the height of soviet spending, china is not even close to that number yet. also, USA didn't trade with the USSR, they do trade with China.

China is nothing to worry about militarily since their army is quite worthless; it's mostly a giant, undisciplined mob of peasants from the poor inland provinces armed with junk from the 1970s and led by phenomenally corrupt and incompetent officers.

Shut up Chang, nobody cares about your boogeyman or attempt to portray China as "le epic based saviour". Chinese immigration to Australia and Canada is infinitely higher and more severe than all others and is rapidly replacing local businesses and workforce.

>this tactic is against the Geneva convention.
so

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^This.

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kind of problematic when you have democratically elected governments.

There are more Chinese in Canada and Australia than Muslims desu but unlike Muslims, Chinese have a lower fertility rate than even local whites.

The US would not be able to establish air supremacy or naval invade due to the number of antiair and anti ship missiles China would be able to shit out in event of war. A more realistic invasion would involve cutting off Chinese imports at the strait of malacca to at least attempt to cripple the Chinese economy. If Russia is not part of the coalition this point is moot because China can just get their oil from Russia. The US would probably invade through North Korea into Manchuria. From there it's Vietnam except you don't have air superiority to bomb the shit out of the commies hiding in the forest.

China grows a shitton of food themselves

The CCP was terrified of the US/USSR doing exactly this during the cold war so one of their first goals after taking over was self sufficiency in food. They are still self sufficient nowadays.

Probably start by blockading shipping through major ports. I'm sure Taiwan would be converted into a glorified air strip. Plus, knowing how we wage war we'd probably arm insurrectionists in Xinjiang (they're already getting pissed about the secret prison camps the Chinese send Muslims to). Probably make a formal liberation push in the semi-autonomous regions like Hong Kong and Macau, seeing as they have less attachment to the rest of mainland China. But, I doubt that the US would come to any war with the PRC. Even if we did, it wouldn't focus on occupying territory, so much as negotiating economic positions.

US/China relations post Cold War is similar to UK/France during the 1800s.

Hi CIA.

>negotiating economic positions
Can you please further what sort of economic positions the US would want to extract from China in such case?

>US/China relations post Cold War is similar to UK/France during the 1800s
UK didn't really like France all that much during that time period I imagine. Since after all they helped the colonialists defeat the imperialists....

>what economic positions
Favorable tariffs, changing internal policy in China when dealing with western actors, etc. Chinese fraud with western trade interests is extremely damaging to customers in the US and its allies. (Pic related)
>UK didn't really like France all that much
You realize that France had ran through multiple governments by the time the UK reached the height of their imperial power, right? After the Napoleonic wars the UK didn't really have reason to fight France, and the French were busy trying to decide how they wanted run their own country. Ultimately the two powers' relationship was "stay out of each other's way".

>first off, this tactic is against the Geneva convention. this would be the equivalent of using nuclear weapons. it's political suicide.

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>Favorable tariffs, changing internal policy in China when dealing with western actors, etc. Chinese fraud with western trade interests is extremely damaging to customers in the US and its allies. (Pic related)
These are all within the realm of reason to bring to a negotiation table. Nothing too severe like actual occupying troops within the Nation's borders...That would be terrible to say the least. Also, what picture?

>You realize that France had ran through multiple governments by the time the UK reached the height of their imperial power, right?
No. I did not study French history all too much, sad to say.

>pic related
>forgot my pic
I'm retarded. I won't deny it.

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Um, no they're not. Actually China was more self-sufficient in the Mao era than today. The move away from collectivized agriculture in the 80s resulted in farmers preferring to grow cash crops rather than food and considerable amounts of farmland have been lost to factories and other infrastructure projects as well as pollution.

Video is fairly inaccurate, but entertaining.

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>China has become increasingly reliant on imports to offset its domestic agricultural limitations, prompting Chinese leaders to openly reframe their strategy for food self-sufficiency. At the December 2013 Annual Central Rural Work Conference, it was noted that China’s food security needed to be ensured by supplementing its “domestic supply with moderate imports.”

>Over the past ten years, China’s food imports have increased from approximately $6 million in 2005 to $300 million in 2015. China’s food imports make up 6.7 percent of its total merchandise imports, placing it ahead of the United States (5.7 percent), India (5.6 percent), and Brazil (5.1 percent).

>These are all within the realm of reason to bring to a negotiation table. Nothing too severe like actual occupying troops within the Nation's borders..
Exactly why the US and China won't go to war. Ignoring the massive economic and human costs that doing so would lead to (on both sides), the goal of changing the opponent's government to something more suitable wouldn't be as beneficial as just displaying soft power.

>The US would not be able to establish air supremacy or naval invade due to the number of antiair and anti ship missiles China would be able to shit out in event of war.
>Chinese antiair and anti-ship missiles
They'd be lucky if more than 10% of the things actually work and hit their target.

the thing is when a country goes into rationing, there is less need for food imports. most of the food china imports is to feed livestock. china has never known to be this rich in livestock in its history.

I do recall hearing that the majority of their soybeans are imported rather than grown domestically. American soybean farmers are taking a bit of a pinch from Trump's trade war.

tl;dr

As it turned out, we also didn't need to carry out a thermonuclear strike on Moscow to end the Cold War.

>cut off corn imports
>cattle all starve
>followed by people starving
Simple as.

Forgot to mention. China has been hit by a huge swine fever epidemic lately and lost hundreds of thousands of pigs, which has caused the demand for animal feed to drop way off.

livestock is a luxury item in china. in rationing they would fall back on what they normally relied on for subsistence. the increase in food imports is directly related to their increased wealth, their ability to afford more pork in their diet. you can scale they down with rationing.

You can read the first post within that picture and get a jist of what trading companies deal with when working with the Chinese. The tl;dr version is that some user works for a metal trader, and because there isn't any strong reaction by Chinese authorities, private industry in China can just fuck over their customers to no end.

It's also why many companies in the US and EU that are subject to regular auditing (i.e. FDA/EMA regulated) avoid doing business with Chinese and (to a lesser extent) Indian raw materials. The lack of proper auditing, penalties, and general oversight by the authorities in the Far East means that the quality in products shoots down to nil. It becomes more expensive to buy cheap shit when it wouldn't pass your country's own regulatory inspections.

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For that to happen would be a massive loss of face for the CCP given their promises of continued growth and increased living standards. People will start wondering why they're having to gnaw on tree bark and wild onions since the party always claimed the days of that happening are over..

it really depends on how they portray their situation. if they can direct the blame to outsiders wanting to contain China, the populace will be complacent. if you can convince the people that it's the CCP that have mismanaged the peoples resources and led to this time of scarcity, then you have a angle. same thing with america. if you lay blame to China for your trade woes instead of the governments mismanagement, people are far more willing to go along with whatever the government is saying.

>because there isn't any strong reaction by Chinese authorities, private industry in China can just fuck over their customers to no end.
The authorities probably have some residual claim if their reaction isn't particularly strong. If you make friends with a local figure of authority, he can help you enforce some of the rules and help out? But you would have to learn the language first. That's the hard part.

>The lack of proper auditing, penalties, and general oversight by the authorities in the Far East means that the quality in products shoots down to nil.
>becomes more expensive to buy cheap shit when it wouldn't pass your country's own regulatory inspections
Duly noted.

They don't even need 10% to hit, even if it took a hundred missiles per US asset the cost/benefit ratios would still favor the missiles. Not to mention China's greater production capacity and slave labor.

I mean if the US is already blocking off imports (declaration of war) it's kind of obvious who the Chinese people will blame for their lack of luxury foods.

The smart ones will blame the CCP. The dumb ones will blame the United States government.

Do you think the ratio of smart people in China outnumber the ratio of dumb people? Genuine question.

It doesn't even matter

We would win and it would be easy. Not because of military organization or tech or tactics. Simply because the chink type92 or whatever bullpup horrible sights POS SUCKS ASS especially compared to the M16 platform

Trust me, one US aircraft carrier has more firepower than the entire navy of most countries. It would take a couple button presses to reduce China's coastline to a radioactive crater.

uh, the US right? because if the tables were turned and Russia was blocking imports to the USA, who would the americans blame?

Most of them when they realize they don't have any food and are gnawing on tree bark will probably take it as an omen from the heavens that the party has lost the Mandate of Heaven. Let's be honest, mainlander Chinese are primitive and superstitious as fuck.

What exactly do we import from Russia except Smirnoff Vodka?

Why would the Chinese blame their government for something entirely due to another government? Would they blame the CCP for getting on the US's bad side?
Also, the ratio of dumb to smart people favors the dumb people in every country.