Communism bad because iPhones! Venezuela! 100 billion dead!

This but unironically.

on my way RIGHT now

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They eat KIDS!

>lenin was a commie

>nobody could ever support communism

May Gah, THEY COMMIN!!!!

>communism=socialism

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gommies plz go back to cripplechan

what if supply is unlimited? suppose we have a model like that.

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>communism good

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pls british user. vote for him.

>north korea is communist

Every post in the thread is talking about socialism, they are just too dumb to separate the two. Venezuela is socialist, not communist.

venezuela is not even socialist, venezuela is just a latin american shithole.

>communism
>not mentally ill

i would become a commie if it capable killing human desire and greed.

>not real socialism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarianism

The fundamental idea of communism (everybody gets everything just because they exist. Does not matter if they are doing nothing useful for the society) is morally wrong and leads to a disastrous disbalance. Its counterpart, capitalism, provokes competition and rewards any kind of tries to succeed at least financially. Finances are fundamental for they are a key to everything else. Rich individual has an opportunity to contribute to the society way more than a random communist. Furthermore, the former has more willingness to do so just because nobosy likes being made use of.

By the way, dialectical materialism is another Marxist fairy tale where an equality of A = !A will actually be considered as normal. Marx took Hegel's ideas which did not work under rules of formal logic and replaced the divine part with materialistic one.

Soviets also called standard deviation a wrong phenomenon and banned it. What a great ideology supported by great minds!

>real communism isn't coming yet so we can't fail!!!!

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>wikipedia
90% of venezuelan economy relies on oil. which communist book says that you should do that?

If your discussion takes such arguments as reasonable, there is nothing "real" behind what you are debating for.

If you defend communism knowing what happened to the Romanovs, you're a heartless despicable person, which is pretty much a prerequisite for being a communist. Seriously, you people make me sick. I clench my fists in anger every time I read your vitriolic apologetics for your disgusting marxism.

The Russian revolution had a much deeper background and conflict of interests than this.

>The fundamental idea of communism (everybody gets everything just because they exist. Does not matter if they are doing nothing useful for the society)
opinion discarded

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Than what is it about?

Literally by definition of Engels and Lenin socialist, but sure.

>then
I am sorry.

>If you defend communism knowing what happened to the Romanovs, you're a heartless despicable person, which is pretty much a prerequisite for being a communist. Seriously, you people make me sick. I clench my fists in anger every time I read your vitriolic apologetics for your disgusting marxism.

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>"He calls me commie"

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if you defend capitalism knowing what happens to the proletarians, you're a heartless despicable person

If you had to pick one; would you rather live in the us or venezuela?

But the universal basic income is literally around the corner. We don't need as many jobs even now. Even more people will lose their jobs to automation in the next few years. What is the answer? An unlimited supply and scarcity free world is just around the corner. Isn't UBI communism?

Everyone is a proletariat, you dumb marxist fag.

>"It's just that no one has tried the right (my) form of communism yet."

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that's the point

Haha, so funny, not worshipping mas murderers is like so soybean amirite? XD
Fuck off, this cult of hate has brought horrors onto this world, it has taken the lives of hundreds of millions of innocents and has sowed untold suffering on the lands it plagued. Trvializing and even celebrating this is revolting. I'm grinding my teeth right now, that's how fucking disgusted you people make me.

I do not like UBI. Germany and South Korea are leaders in automation, yet the unemployment rate there is low. The will gradually transform and find another job.

Returning to the UBI, I believe it is more about getting votes rather than something defined ideological or financial needs. People are lazy. Especially in well-developed states where it does not take much an effort to live a relatively fine life.

There are communists and socialists who think the Romanovs shouldn't have been murdered.

UBI is a byproduct of techno-aristocracy

>capitalism is great! lest's just ignore all of the capitalist 3rd world, they are poor because some other reasons. capitalism is flawless.

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That's a strawman. I'm not communist and I know this.

>the society will gradually transform
I am sorry again. Fucking mobile version of the site.

Evil capitalism raising billions out of poverty, ushering them into unprecedented standards of living. Oh, the horror.

Right, and all proletariat are undoubtedly better under capitalism and every single piece of data, logic and recorded history confirms this.
But let's throw that all away AGAIN because a retarded old man in his rich friend's suite got bored and thought we can derive value from hour worked and not from demand.

whatever you call it, as long as you can live a decent live without having to work.

>the most first world of the third world being a sociaboo sheltered privileged faggot
What a surprise. Come share your border with Venezuela, you cunt.

Communism did the same thing in the USSR. It's not an argument.
Depends which examples you're comparing. Residents of Cuba are much, much better off than people in most other poor countries.

>ussr
>communism

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You will lose virtually all power as a voter because companies don't need you

>unlimited supply and scarcity free world is just around the corner
do you even know how stupid you sound?

>comunism good!!!!!!11111111one

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State-socialism. Marxism-Leninism. Whatever it's called.

>would unite in the proletarian fight/10

you are based my americanbro, never forget it.
having your eyes open in a society so full of propaganda counts as two

Yeah a lot of people here are misinformed about what the term "socialism" means. Some think it means the system in place in Scandinavia (social democracy), while others automatically associate it with Stalin and Mao.

Oh yes, because that's what the Cuban government said then I guess it's true.
Just Google Cuban Immigrants talking about their experiences. Not sure if you have lots of those in the US, but it's no coincidence none of them would go back.

Daily reminder that capitalism works and socialism/communism/whatever-you-wanna-call-it doesn't.

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>The fundamental idea of communism (everybody gets everything just because they exist. Does not matter if they are doing nothing useful for the society)

lol you have no idea what communism is

>b-b-but TRUE socialism isn't against economic freedom, it's just about the worker seizing the means of productions and value being derived from Marx's retarded rules!
I honestly can't maintain a discussion with a socialist for too long without getting migraines for the low IQ and sheer stupidity and alienation from reality. These cunts hold that stupid faggot Wolff as a great intellectual. The guy that in order to explain how Marxism could work said you jut get worker's to make the executive decisions and you've successfully gotten rid of all boards of executive directors.
They are overwhelmingly dumb.

Labor theory of value is retarded. Also, social outcomes are not only the product of "material conditions" as narrowly defined by gommies.

How come all the socialist countries are absolute shit and on the verge of collapse, with people running for the hills? There are 10's of thousands of Venezuelan refugees in Brazil right now

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What I was saying can be found by looking at statistics from the CIA. I'm not denying that there are people who escaped on crudely made boats because their parents owned a casino or sugar plantation and the secret police would have jailed them if they didn't escape.

Communism is actually good because it results in the most dead slavs/chinks.

HOLY SHIT!!!

you just prove communism wrong with a 2047X3482 picture.

B(AND)RP

Ever notice how people in ex-communist countries are the most right wing? Eastern Europe for example. Cubans who escaped to America are the ONLY hispanic ethnic group that votes for the Republican party, and are pretty much the sole reason Republicans ever win Florida

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Is this the level of discourse I should come to expect from Jow Forums?

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It’s because they’re retarded and associate communism with all left wing ideologies.

>Ever notice how people in ex-communist countries are the most right wing? Eastern Europe for example
You've got it backwards. While Eastern Europeans are more traditional culturally and in their attitudes towards immigrants, a lot of older people see the communist era as a time of greater social and economic stability. People were poorer and had less access to some consumer goods, but unemployment and homelessness were virtually unknown.

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>capitalism is a real word and theory

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Yeah, now show the graph with post-soviet citizens who now live in the West and where they stand.

and center-right ideologies also get thrown under the bus, unfortunately

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Asking this for the second time: then what is Communism all about?

Obviously the ones who fled to the West are more likely to be the dissidents

Yes, but that’s because they’re also retarded.

>communist architecture

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No, the ones that fled to the west are the ones that got an opening, something they all would do if they had the chance.
The only reason post soviet states are shitholes now is the inherited debt of the soviet union to begin with.
If you honestly believe there is ANY post soviet citizen in this world that would take the West over either current post-soviet and past soviet glory you are out of your mind.

prove it

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>something they all would do if they had the chance
And a lot of people from poor countries would like to live like people in rich countries do. Your point?
>The only reason post soviet states are shitholes now is the inherited debt of the soviet union to begin with.
Many were much worse off for the years following the collapse.
>If you honestly believe there is ANY post soviet citizen in this world that would take the West over either current post-soviet and past soviet glory you are out of your mind.
That's not what the graph was talking about. It said nothing at all about the West.

Hmm, so where do you think they stand?

>Japan is a capitalist society
>Does a lot of cool shit even college pot smoking leftards like , for example vydia and anime
>Socialist countries like Cuba don't do cool shit like animu or vydia
>B-but muh army of doctors they send for free to third world countries
End of debate

putting the ownership of the means of production into the hands of the proletariat

>The guy that in order to explain how Marxism could work said you jut get worker's to make the executive decisions and you've successfully gotten rid of all boards of executive directors.
What’s funny is that I’m taking a Chinese 20th century history class and this is exactly what the CCP tried to do at the peak of socialist reform but had to back down because it literally didn’t work.

You need to be borderlining legal mental retardation to fully believe that a machine worker that stuffs sausage casings with meat has the same qualifications as an executive to do the business decisions.
I can't believe my species is this fucking stupid to hold to this day the inane babbling of an economically disabled old fart as relevant.
Marxists are the dumbest demographic on earth.

Your post is truly a pinnacle of intellectual discourse

>Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
t. Karl Marx

>The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink
t. Che Guevara

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>why do people hate ideology with the greatest record of supressing civil liberties
gee i wonder
people hate communism/socialism/leftist bullshit because history is full of those that degenerated into prison societies
who wants to live in a prison society?

turns out a lot of this leftist bullshit kids want, ends up requiring turning societies into prisons
free people arent equal, equal people arent free
turns out you can easily explain "social inequalities" and all other inequalities when you factor in personal responsibility

>lemme study liberal arts history real quick, get weird haircolor and face tattoos and complain how capitalism has failed us, how i took 6 digits debt for unemployable and unmarketable skills to complain about the market
literally every 20 year old leftist
bitch go study medicine/engineering, get a 6 digits job, do something useful for people like building aeroplanes, retire at 35, and study your philosophy bullshit when you've actually earned it instead of being unskilled minwage shitter grinding till 65 in poverty

in capitalism, you get to choose

I don't care about your shitty reddit memes, the moment you come for my money and property is the moment you get shot.

they have been coming for your rights and property for decades now, explain taxes and hatecrime laws if you dont believe me

cold war ended and communists actually won, everywhere
we live in communist times where equality is the greatest virtue, doesnt matter if you are chief of surgery with 7000 heart transplant operations or a street beggar with humanities degree, we are all equal human beans of equal value to society and each other and blah blah

you can own iron and welding equipment, but its illegal to weld a howitzer together, its a fantasy to think you legally have any capacity to defend your liberty from commie national guard and other institutions they took over to punish honest hard working citizens that worked harder and smarter than the average

>The fundamental idea of communism (everybody gets everything just because they exist. Does not matter if they are doing nothing useful for the society)
No, you idiot. The fundamental idea behind Marxism (not all forms of communism) is that you should not get rich via the exploitation of other people. At least get that right. Marx' mistakes were:
1) He was wrong about the premise that human labour AND ONLY human labour is the only source of value. As soon as there is an automated process that makes products more refined, there is a secondary source other than human labour. Fordist automation literally made Marx' theories obsolete overnight. You as a raging anti-communist may have a point if you recall that, if the first step in any argument is wrong, the whole argument is wrong, so much for scientific socialism.
2) Marx tried to explain the core of capitalism with a few simple equations AND predict capitalism's future with the same equations, which is a circular argument. Some economists like Varoufakis and I think Stiglitz have demonstrated that you cannot have a solid socio-economic theory and a correct set of mathematical equations explaining it at the same time.
3) The surplus theory is only applicable if long-distance transport is unprofitable and white collar workers are in low supply. Marx could never predict that hundreds of millions of Chinamen would become better educated than industrialised Europeans, that European big companies would outsource their production to bloody Indonesia or that the third sector would employ disproportionally more proletarians than the second sector.
I can't believe that as a gommie I can point out Marx' flaws better than anti-communists.

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>You Post modern Neo-Marxist

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None of the charts say that capitalism brought any good to most people or improved their situation
I wish this was true, brutalism and modernism are bae
your description of communism is closer to capitalism

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