Why is it that both China and Japan have historically claimed the sun as their national symbol?
Why is it that both China and Japan have historically claimed the sun as their national symbol?
Isaiah Green
Nolan Ward
China has had a lot more than one flag in its history, OP.
Gabriel Walker
That’s not the flag of China
Oliver Reed
The Meiji Restoration flag was the most aesthetic flag in all of history.
Jaxon Wright
China has a bright white sun on their flag like what you see at noon on a sunny day
Japan has a red sun that you see early in the morning as the sun begins to rise
Gavin Fisher
And then there's Korea with that retarded thing
Jackson Ward
The sun rises from the east and ancestor took pride in it.
Elijah Collins
I assume it's a sun rising over the pacific ocean thing
Ethan Myers
japan steals everything chinese
Landon Lopez
user, I...
Luis Turner
The ROC's flag has a sun but not because it is historically symbolic in Chinese culture. That's the symbol of the KMT (Nationalist Party), what was once the ruling party of the ROC.
The symbol represents the twelve months of the year and twelve hours of the day (traditional hours were twice as long as western hours) and was designed as a Republican symbol.
Zachary Wright
It's suppose to represent Taiji, not the sun. Yin-yang in the center with bagua around it.
Carson Foster
because this is the Land of Rising Sun
Camden Davis
Makes sense. Japan represents the Rising Sun as the first industrialized Asian power. Now China is going to be the Risen Sun, the sun at its brightest and fullest.
David Brooks
People's Republic of China ≠ Republic of China
James Martin
No look at a map, where does the sun rise first?
Connor Thompson
>Now China is going to be the Risen Sun, the sun at its brightest and fullest.
The only issue with that analysis is that the KMT sun does not represent the China you're talking about. Unless you sincerely believe that the KMT will retake the mainland in the near future and create a thriving capitalist paradise.
Caleb Murphy
Yes because the Tiananmen Square Republic is illegitimate
Owen Mitchell
It rises in the east and sets in the west (approximately). Japan is to the east of China
True, I wish CCP and KMT switched flags
James Reed
Chink flag is just a cheap knock-off of the Soviet flag tho.
Jack Smith
>KMT flag
>Soviet
Eli Davis
what a stupid spic, japanese rising sun is by far the oldest national flag in the world, not only in asia
Asher Wilson
This is the oldest Japanese flag with a 1000 year history.
Feel it burgers, that once you tried to erase from the earth.
Christian Richardson
The symbol had been in existence since the 700s, but the flag itself was only officially adopted in 1870.
That's not to say that it was stolen from the Chinese, but your claim that it is the oldest national flag in the world is absurd.
Anthony Wood
Red and Yellow fits the East better though.
Thomas Sullivan
oldest preserved period stain
Kevin White
Elijah Robinson
>captured flag
Based Bob.
Gavin Jackson
Because of her pic related.
Joshua Collins
That's for Japan only. China's KMT sun is completely unrelated.
Nicholas Edwards
taiwan was a part of japan
Cameron Bailey
The KMT sun was designed in the mainland for the anti-monarch Republican cause.
Eli Lee
So was manchuria
Lucas Miller
If you want to be technical, Manchuria was never annexed into Japan and was therefore never subject to the same degree of assimilation as Korea or Taiwan.
Angel Cook
Of course.
And i've never said that those are related.
Different countries, different reasons.
Connor Cruz
西暦の位置が微妙にズレてんね
Parker Hill
>but your claim that it is the oldest national flag in the world is absurd.
no it isn't. and it's not even my opinion as the timeline shows. japan's flag is indeed by far the oldest national flag.
>but the flag itself was only officially adopted in 1870.
it's just reaffirmation, since the flag is older than the concept of nation state. not only in japan, but it had always been used for "show the flag" purpose in foreign countries. it was nothing less than the national flag in the modern sense.
Jonathan Davis
Evan Nelson
>japan's flag is indeed by far the oldest national flag.
Your timeline has either been edited or you've misinterpreted it. The symbol itself has existed for the length of time as claimed by the timeline, but the flag on which the symbol is depicted is certainly not used as the national flag for that amount of time.
The drawings you've posted dates back to the 16th century, not the 8th century.
Justin Carter
The Chinese sun is not traditional.
The traditional Chinese flag is the dragon
Aaron Bennett
wow, big face.
Nathan Thompson
looks like a tampon i found at local gas station bathroom.
Julian Long
>tampon
Sanitary napkin?
Jace Smith
Yes
Nolan Rivera
typical subhuman sharter
Luis Lewis
Are you Takashi-kun or Davido-kun?
Noah Rodriguez
Tokugawa flag looked better
Eli Gutierrez
Also qing flag
Nathaniel Campbell
Sebastian Turner
This flag is way better than the current Soviet knock-off.
Chinks are really dumb.
Chase Gonzalez
Are you Ahmed or Zhang?
based aesthetic flags
Adrian Reyes
>blue red white and star
kek
Jeremiah Young
that's semantics. you are saying that a flag under which a country's people had long felt a sense of unity wasn't a national flag because it predated the emergence of nation state in europe which is the definition of modern state and wasn't codified as they do in a modern state. that's absurd. japan's nationhood is older than europoor bullshit and so is the sun flag. pic related dates back to the 11th century, so, we don't even have to fall back on 16th century drawings.
>The sun plays an important role in Japanese mythology and religion as the Emperor is said to be the direct descendant of the sun goddess Amaterasu and the legitimacy of the ruling house rested on this divine appointment and descent from the chief deity of the predominant Shinto religion. The name of the country as well as the design of the flag reflect this central importance of the sun. The ancient history Shoku Nihongi says that Emperor Monmu used a flag representing the sun in his court in 701, and this is the first recorded use of a sun-motif flag in Japan. The oldest existing flag is preserved in Unpō-ji temple, Kōshū, Yamanashi, which is older than the 16th century, and an ancient legend says that the flag was given to the temple by Emperor Go-Reizei in the 11th century.[5][6][7]
the official designation in the 19th century was pretty much "hey, they have equivalents of our hinomaru (sun flag) as official national flags out there, let ours be the same officially"; and this doesn't mean the national flag of japan was made at that moment.
Brody Nguyen
The secret truth of the Japanese flag.
Ryan Murphy
Also r8 our previous flag
Kevin Watson
Benjamin Young
違いますけど
Lincoln Phillips
Nathan Scott
Both
Dominic Sanders
Much like the United Sharts of Walmart
Ryder Torres
japan didn't even have written language or a nation when china had both. japan can't historically claim anything from china.
Ryder Barnes
Cause they face the Pacific and thats where the sun rises
Nicholas Russell
still you chinks don't know what is the written language
there is no "culture" in china since commie thugs have kept killing it
Asher Flores
5 races flag is better
Adrian Reed
Because Many Asian countries worshiped nature
but Europeans were interested in philosophy
So European flags usually have a lot of philosophical significance
Love, liberty, fraternity, unification, human rights, Equality, etc.
Austin Collins
>tf
>tp
Lincoln Murphy
are you some david retard or you're just a schizo retard? you're embarrassing yourself dumb shit. you don't know fuck all about kanji or hanzi so just shut your mouth moron.
the left is calligraphy brush stroke and the right is some fake image that looks like a child's writing.
Christian Hall
seething?
obviously you don't know anything about Kanji
even without a brush, people should not write a horizontal stroke to lower the right end
Xi's handwriting is as poor as that of a retard child and so infamous
Isaiah Adams
that's not his handwriting you fucking mongoloid retard. it's a shop or magic marker by a kid. you can't even make those lines with a pen, pencil, or brush. i'm sure he signs alternating between traditional and not even complete simplified using something that looks like magic markers kids use!
just kys you retard.
Julian Turner
>tfw masonic flag
>tfw another masonic nation colonized us instead of being a freedom bro
>tfw strangers in our homeland instead
it's the shittiest feeling i swear
polite sage
Colton Powell
cope? lolol
it's a well-known story, and it's proven that is Xi's poor handwriting !!
Nicholas Powell
Because they look the same
Owen Jones
you're a schizo. the left is formal sitting at a table doing brush stroke calligraphy with seals and the right is written with magic marker as informal as possible using not even cursive/semi-cursive or shorthand.
the fact you try and compare them shows you're a fucking retard with zero skills at calligraphy and writing. i'm guessing you're some wacko david incel maybe even some brown guy that's illiterate