Why do Europeans like to dimish the significant role America played in both...

Adam Price
Adam Price

Why do Europeans like to dimish the significant role America played in both world wars? Like it or not we served as tide turners in both. I understand that countries like France, Russia, and Great Britain suffered a lot more than us obviously, and that's honorable but it doesn't mean we didn't help at all just because millions of Americans didn't die in Europe.

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Alexander Gutierrez
Alexander Gutierrez

We were clapping both France and Britain in WW1 before you arrived. I dont understand why you would ally with them in the first place when they are both inferior to us

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

When Russians talk about how they won WW2 I mention how America did everything, when Americans talk about how they won WW2 I mention how Russia did everything

Jason Garcia
Jason Garcia

lol, based

Eli Thompson
Eli Thompson

Based

Nathaniel Morales
Nathaniel Morales

Americans did nothing other than die needlessly in WW1

Nolan Thomas
Nolan Thomas

You sunk a civilian ship and tried to get Mexico to invade us, don't act innocent you slimy kraut.

Brody White
Brody White

We won singlehandedly

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

Why do Europeans like to dimish the significant role America played in both world wars?
It's a counter reaction to the decades of propaganda how America saved Europe, how we would be speaking German without you, how we are ungrateful for American sacrifices in world wars for not joining in on the Iraq war etc. So people think fuck America, besides Russians did most of the fighting in WW2 and French and UK did in WW1 so it's not even counter factual to say that America didn't save Europe.

Brandon Morales
Brandon Morales

This. They teach you shit in Hollywood movies

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

LMAO you guys pussied out of WW1 because you realized you'd be better at starving than war.

Benjamin Allen
Benjamin Allen

Nobody is saying america didn't help, and you can't play the victim after decades of propaganda in books and movies about americans being the saviors of Europe

Isaiah Wilson
Isaiah Wilson

This. Winning WW2 is still part of the national identity of both countries. They absolutely start seething if someone tries to take it away from them.

James Adams
James Adams

american historians
And then you wonder why people make fun of you

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

tide turners in bot
Well, thats not exactly true.
in WW1 yes, they did basically secre the win.
But in WW2 the soviets would have pushed the Germans back and won anyway, they saved much of western europe from communism, but saying they turned the tide against Germany is just retarded, come on now

Xavier Nguyen
Xavier Nguyen

why do americans and russians like to take all the credit rather than admit the victories were a cooperative effort only made possible by our alliances to one another

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Oliver Lee
Oliver Lee

That's what decades of propaganda does to you. What they don't mention is that America hesitated for years to join WW2 because they didn't care about the jews either and large parts of America even supported Hitler before the war started.

Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

We are both selfish countries.
The Brits were badass in both was though, kudos.

Gavin Johnson
Gavin Johnson

americans unironically think they are some ww2 heroes

Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

Because you want all credit for it. It was a collective effort and I'm thankful to Russian, Americans, bongs and everyone one who helped stop Germans.

Adam Diaz
Adam Diaz

Because we actually won WW2 singlehandedly while brits were busy shooting at germans from time to time in Africa and losing to cripples and kids at market garden

John Hall
John Hall

Throwing millions of soldiers into a meat grinder is winning
The brilliant minds of Russian strategists

Landon White
Landon White

zerg rushes mg placements on Omaha beach
Not even soviet were that callous with their men, just goes to show how inhumane Americans were.

Henry Powell
Henry Powell

Because Americans spent the beginning of the war making money selling weapons, so everyone else could beat each other to shit. Then, when everyone else is out of energy, they come in with their fresh soldiers and fancy new equipment and claim they are the saviours.

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

I do it because it drives Americans utterly apeshit. In truth I honestly don't care either way, though.

Anthony Watson
Anthony Watson

the anglos and germans both tried very cleverfully to involve us in ww1. fuck them

Luis Wilson
Luis Wilson

also daily reminder britain and france were irrelevant in both world wars. especially ww2

Lucas Thomas
Lucas Thomas

that wasnt a civilian ship retard, they were two explosions on it.

Justin Rogers
Justin Rogers

Nowadays people get mad at us for being the world police but not being the world police back then was a bad thing? Why would we have gotten involved with another European hissyfit for no reason? Made more sense just to give weapons to the people we like and make some money.

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

Germany was already losing when you got in. Sure you did your job but not that much.

Michael Williams
Michael Williams

reminder that poland held off the germans longer than the french

Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

no way really

Christopher Cook
Christopher Cook

yes poland used its horsemen to hold off the german tanks, while the french ineffectively used their tanks against the german army

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

Well germans lost. Despite being unprepared for initial blitzkrieg and going throught modernization we only had 5 million combat losses, comparing to 4 million german losses. That's a pretty good result considering the circumstances. If germans were only a tiny bit human we wouldn't have suffered so much civilian and PoW casualities.
Mutts on the other had arrived armed to the teeth and.. Started losing to subpar german divisions that's kinda embarassing. Now poltard brainlets worship retards like Patton and McArthur even tho they didn't have even 1/10th of any soviet general talent.

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Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

civilian
it wasn't civilian
it was "civilian"
It carried civilian passengers and weaponry for the UK.

This is like making a case of the USAs bombings of hospitals in Iraq, while AA missiles were setup on top of these high buildings.

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

Let's not forget how we payed for Western Europe's postwar recovery

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

based and redpilled

Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

most retarded ww2 reply ever. britain held sea and air superiority and secured their island all by themselfs. without britain as a safe haven for every exiled goverment and army from conquered europe it would have been a clear german victory on the west front.

Jose Allen
Jose Allen

Let's not forget that Marshall aid had a agenda of tying western countries to anti-soviet sphere and propping up economies so that American manufacturers would have markets.

Christian Bailey
Christian Bailey

Don't bother trying to reason with Americans. They always count civilians and killed pows as war casualties. Sometimes Americans even count their allied deaths as their enemy (like when they add South Vietnamese deaths to the death toll of Vietnam). Americans in general are very incapable at warfare (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan all show this) they're just rich enough to proclaim a win

Isaac Long
Isaac Long

The truth is it took all 4 Entente powers in WW1 and all 3 Allied powers in WW2 to defeat us because we were just too OP back then. Alone, nobody would've been able to defeat us.

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

Not even soviet were that callous with their men
Well, yes they were.

Connor Gutierrez
Connor Gutierrez

D-day was just a food note in history class. The only battles discussed were those at the Eastern front and Stalingrad.

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

No, Rushing at MG nests was never a thing on the eastern front, they were usually suppressed with tanks, artillery or mg fire first

Grayson Howard
Grayson Howard

Truth is when Germany attacked the USSR hundreds of thousands of Romanians, Italians, Hungarians, Frenchmen all attacked with the Germans. Germany alone would not be able to cover the front line

Caleb Walker
Caleb Walker

you soviets really did have incredible tacticians and strategists

Bentley White
Bentley White

Norwegians only think that Britain was relevant because it was the power that liberated them. No single person outside of the UK and Norway shares your opinion.

Sebastian Richardson
Sebastian Richardson

Germans were running for the hills once we arrived in Europe during WWI

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

no

Justin Price
Justin Price

themselves*
they most def did not hold air superiority if they were the ones getting bombed in the early stages of the war. maybe they held sea power, more than the germans, but to say they had more air power than the germans is retarded.

Blake Ortiz
Blake Ortiz

Bullshit.
Australians won the war.

Colton Perry
Colton Perry

Forgot to add Spainards and Finns

Ayden Morris
Ayden Morris

I didn't claim Germany could've defeated the USSR on its own. But neither would the USSR been able to defeat Germany without the US and UK.
The US bankrolled and supplied the Entente since the beginning of WW1.

Matthew Green
Matthew Green

not one step backwards
a good strategy
this is your brain on krokodil

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

But nobody denies your points and the fact remains the Marshall aids effectively rescued Western Europe and hold off the soviet hegemony on the verge of encroaching on it.

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

Just take Germany's view on it !
January 1943 Germany had

fighting the Russians: 191 divisions
vs.
fighting
UK forces+
USA forces+
Free France forces+
French terrorism+
Free Polish forces: 48 Divisions

at home: 3 Divsions
Vacationing in Norway: 12 Divisions
Vacationing in Finland 7 Divisions

The USA did a small comitment to fight Germany compared to Russia,
and certainly compaired to the size of the US population compared to Russias and esepcially comaprted to the size of Norway or the UK.

I wouldn't give the USA 50% responsibility of fighting the 48 divisions. designated to their part of the front.
The main part USA actually did is to feed the brittish civilians.

Robert Adams
Robert Adams

What if Spain had joined in the battle

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Andrew Ross
Andrew Ross

They spearheaded the Allied Hundred Days Offensive which broke through the Hindenburg line and threatenned Germany.

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

The main part USA actually did is to feed the brittish civilians.

Pretty much. The primary role of the US in WWII was being the catering service.

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

enemy is 70km away from your capital
duhhhh not on step backwards?? what a inhumane strategy we americans would have done it different!

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Oliver Bennett
Oliver Bennett

hurr durr what is the Africa Front, what is the Italian Front, what is the battle of the Atlantic, what is the Pacific theater, what is D-Day, what is the western front, what is lend-lease, what is the destruction of the Luftwaffe, what is the strategic bombing campaign hurr burr durr

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

French terrorism
based boche

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Benjamin Allen
Benjamin Allen

USSR would have ran out of supplies and been long steamrolled without us and our LEND LEASE

Blake Perry
Blake Perry

Mostly irrelevant to what was going on on the Eastern front.

Eli Lewis
Eli Lewis

"Some say the Allies didn’t really help us… But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war." - Marshal G.K. Zhukov

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

Mostly irrelevant to what was going on on the Eastern front.
1) According to whom? 2) The last three events affected the eastern front, and they did directly.

Isaiah Roberts
Isaiah Roberts

Yes, catering service. We've already mentioned that.

Nathaniel Sanchez
Nathaniel Sanchez

Which also translates to: "Hey this is an official statement to make americans feel better because all they actually did was supply germans before the war and UK during the war leaving the remains to USSR"

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

Why do germans still believe nazi propaganda
couldn't take moscow
couldn't take stalingrad
couldn't take caucasus
failed all their big offensives
w- we c-couldn't h-h-have won muh zerg rush muh tigers
Parhetic

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Kayden Murphy
Kayden Murphy

1) According to whom?
Every major historian on the planet that cares about his reputation. Hollywood movies are not real life. Also thank you for your service.

Austin Flores
Austin Flores

just read a little about the battle of britain.

where should the normandy landings have been launched from if not britain?

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

No one cares about the Normandy landings apart from you guys and the other Western powers. The war was decided on the Eastern front and not in Normandy.

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

Africa front
No US involved
battle of the Atlantic
Based supply conveyors kek
Pacific theatre
Gruesome indeed, but they could have let the nips on their remoted islands and no one would have noticed it. The most stupid war.
D-Day
Massively overrated battle by propaganda, the shore was barely defended (3/4000 casualties on a 100 km front...)
strategic bombing
A senseless war crime. pic related is Le Havre ffs.

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Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

The logistical aspect of WW2 and how americans managed to use their industrial power to build a big, well equiped and sufficiently trained army in no time is more impressive than anything germans did

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Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

“Cartering service” is a very strange way to put supplying goods that range from aircrafts to shoes.

Every major historian on the planet that cares about his reputation.
From here you admit you are talking out of your ass. Don’t thank me and have a nice day.

Robert Phillips
Robert Phillips

Yes. They ran a very good catering service. I give you that.

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

It accurately describes America's contribution to the Soviet Victory in WWII, yes.

Aiden Ortiz
Aiden Ortiz

Extremely based.

Grayson Perry
Grayson Perry

The US wasn't involved in the African Front
What is Operation Torch.

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

Maybe you should have taken exemple on them, gas can be useful for vehicles, as well as warm clothes in winter.

Jason Rogers
Jason Rogers

Because nothing was happening on the Pacific and the Mediterranean fronts at all.

Gavin Walker
Gavin Walker

Strategic bombing shortened the war dramatically you fucking retard. I'm not going to pretend the contributions of the Western Allies were equal to that of the USSR, but they certainly weren't inconsequential. The German war industry was decimated by strategic bombing and production of war materiel was significantly hampered, saving untold lives from potentially dying to a more reinforced and better equipped Wehrmacht.

Joshua Ortiz
Joshua Ortiz

Daily reminder that Greece btfo'd Italy

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

Nothing that affected the outcome of the war except for the Soviet invasion of Manchuria which was the significant factor in contributing towards Japan's unconditional surrender because before that they expected the Soviet Union to act as a mediator in the negotiations with the US.

Evan White
Evan White

They spearheaded the Allied Hundred Days Offensive which broke through the Hindenburg line and threatenned Germany.
spearheaded
You can't be further from the truth. Go open a book and reinform yourself

Sebastian Turner
Sebastian Turner

based

Nathaniel Adams
Nathaniel Adams

Don’t thank me
Thank you for your service.

Jack Carter
Jack Carter

Indeed

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Luis Fisher
Luis Fisher

Based

Ethan Williams
Ethan Williams

Hollywood propaganda turned out to be very effective

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Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

US: 180 000
How can anyone seeing this number honestly claim that the US contribution was significant?

Jack Edwards
Jack Edwards

the ultimate surrender of Japan was precisely about the Soviet invasions
Sorry but this is merely your revisionist opinion. The Soviet operation in Manchuria was simply another nail to the coffin that sealed Japan’s fate.

For your argument to stand, the Soviets needed to have the materials and the capabilities to make a land invasion of Japan which they did not have.

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

"American" jews played a big role yes.

Cooper Murphy
Cooper Murphy

All due respect for the Pacific effort, but
a) it was none of anyone else's business
b) the scale was absolutely tiny compared to the European theater.

And in Europe itself you arrived just in time to reap the benefits of other countries' years long struggle without doing much of note yourself.

Your greatest war effort probably wasn't even the war, it was the following 70 years of never-ending self-promotion to coax the world into believing you've saved it.

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Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

this is the usual European response. But it is also the most logical one too.

Tyler Robinson
Tyler Robinson

And I will not even address their case in WW1

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

france talking shit

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Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

War is CoD where getting the most kills =win
This is why nobody takes Jow Forums seriously.

Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

USSR 10.6
into the trash your shitty chart goes

Matthew Bennett
Matthew Bennett

its another sovietabu pretending US lendlease didnt exist episode

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

This thread isn't about France

Henry Martin
Henry Martin

Le Havre
German war industry
So even back then Americans were shit at geography ?

Liam Johnson
Liam Johnson

This thread isn't about France
If you guys had actually fought it would be.

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Nathaniel Brooks
Nathaniel Brooks

it did exist but we already won the war by that point

Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

checkmate

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

Le Havre was strategically bombed
That was a tactical bombing by the RAF to weaken the German grip on the city. Strategic bombing focused on factories and other industrial targets in Germany and throughout occupied Europe.

Oliver Ortiz
Oliver Ortiz

Stop being uneducated and stop seeking attention.

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

Keep in mind that most US materials arrived to the USSR after the Soviets had started their counter-offensive and the push towards Berlin which began inn March 1943 (when the Soviets managed to break the siege of Stalingrad).
Out of the 17,500,000 tonnes of materials the US send the USSR, about 83% arrived after June 1943.
Hope this helps.

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Brody Ward
Brody Ward

The Germans had some brilliant and some retarded ideas.
Too bad their retarded ideas outnumbered their brilliant ones.

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Henry Nelson
Henry Nelson

No this is a historical bullshit. Japan was not ready to surrender after the first bomb (hence the second bomb drop) but the Soviet invasion had already crushed any hope of a mediating role of the Soviet Union and any conditional surrender in between. That's why the second bomb was an unnecessary and needless war crime.

Juan Cooper
Juan Cooper

It infuriates me how propaganda has established the meme that the Red Army was a bunch of peasants with no training who only won because they had more people than the Germans had bullets. That is bullshit. WW2 Soviets were among the greatest soldiers in history. Nazi Germany was the finest land army since Napoleon and actually outnumbered the Red Army in Barbarossa, for the first months. And the Allies won in the end with the Red Army doing most of the Nazi killing - but they didn't stop there, they conquered Manchuria IN A WEEK in August Storm. Another operation that propaganda has managed to underrate because lol nukes. Manchuria is fucking huge and the Japanese had a million soldiers waiting for the Red Army. Still they conquered that area in. a. week. August Storm was the most successful military campaign in the last few centuries second to the 6-day war but you won't find anyone in Hollywood shooting a film about it.

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

Just be happy that you know the truth. Most people actually live believing in Human wave tactics and 100 million soldiers gulaged by Stalin personally

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

When will Russia formally apologise for their crimes against the 6th army?

Wyatt Carter
Wyatt Carter

Hirohito himself declared surrender only 25 hours after the Soviet invasion began, and at that moment Kwantung army was yet to realize the scale of the invading Soviet army. Are you this stupid?

Matthew Taylor
Matthew Taylor

Based Yugos best allies. We should be under "Eastern Front", though.

It's military deaths, doesn't include civilian deaths.

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Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

Muh human waves was a result of ignorance back then, now that more historians started to work on the eastern front they have no excuse to still believe old nazi propaganda

Kayden Scott
Kayden Scott

Exactly, Soviet military lost around 8 millions 3 of them as PoWs taken in the early stages of war. Our combat losses are not much bigger than german

Brandon Thomas
Brandon Thomas

Have another (You), you've earned it

Ryder Peterson
Ryder Peterson

hahha based

Colton Jackson
Colton Jackson

Uhm what, the en of Sovietneutrality and invasion began on the 9th of August and the surrender happened 6 days later when it was almost over by the 13th the Soviets were already in parts of Korea.

Cooper Lopez
Cooper Lopez

Japan was ready to surrender before the 1st bomb.
The US had burned Tokyo to the ground.
The Japs had no fuel to mobilize, their forces in Asia were isolated and cut-off, their navy and airforce were utterly destroyed.
Japan had been defeated and was desperate.
The Yanks dropped the bombs because they wanted to intimidate the Soviets, and even more importantly because the US administration was worried that if the Pacific war ended and the American people found out about the M_Project they would have been impeached.
The M_Project cost millions of dollars and demanded the contribution of thousands of people that could have made a huge difference if employed on other military projects.
France chilled throughout ww2.
No fight. No resistance.

Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

tactical bombing that kills more civilians than there was enemies in the place
How isn't that a war crime ?

Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

what if Spanish republicans from La Nueve hadn't liberated Paris
what if the Blue Division hadn't fought like lions in Krasny Bor
what if the Ezquerra Unit hadn't defended Berlin to the last man, side by side with the French Charlemagne soldiers
Americans, everyone

Nolan Murphy
Nolan Murphy

Japan was ready to surrender before the 1st bomb.

Conditional surrender. It was the Soviet invasion that made them surrender unconditionally.

Adrian Collins
Adrian Collins

It wasn't much a nazi propaganda rather than American one. This was used to dehumanize soviets in case of a WW3 which kinda worked, 99% of boomers and their kids still believe it. But for anyone with iq higher than 90 it's obvious.

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Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

Japan surrendered conditionally even after the 2 a-bombs.

Logan Powell
Logan Powell

I should have mentioned “decided to surrender”. That was confusing. In the midnight of August 9th after the bombing of Nagasaki, in the cabinet meeting Hirohito himself expressed that he shall accept defeat to the Allies.

Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

the bombing of Nagasaki
Hiroshima* my bad

Asher Kelly
Asher Kelly

thinking any of those matters
Spaniards, everyone!

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Eli Ramirez
Eli Ramirez

More like why do Americans like to diminish the significant Roles European countries played. You guys are the worse for this so it’s ironic coming from a American

Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

kek

Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

A lot of these memes had their origins in Kraut accounts of the Eastern Front since they were the only ones available to Western "historians" throughout the Cold War. The Red hordes meme was developed by the Nazis as part of their dehumanization of the Soviet people and was enthusiastically adopted by the US to show the evils of Asiatic collectivization compared to muh Anglo-American individualism. It's the same thing as the Chinese bug people meme.

Grayson Young
Grayson Young

It's a reaction to Americans claiming that they won the war primarily by themselves while ignoring the large contributions by other countries. Both positions are stupid and America did do a lot, both economically and militarily.

William Garcia
William Garcia

Here’s another fact: In the Imperial Rescript of Surrender announced by Hirohito, there was no reference of the Soviet invasion.

When the PM Suzuki explained the surrender in December that year, again, he did not mention the Soviets.

At this point you obviously see how much impacts the Soviet operation had on the Japan’s surrender.

Nathan Perez
Nathan Perez

Why would they mention the Soviets?
Japan surrendered to the US.

Carter Ross
Carter Ross

because americans usually claim they carried the biggest burden
sure you helped, but thats it, you didnt win it by yourself, you beat japan, thats true

Joshua Collins
Joshua Collins

gook, you surrender to us ok? no commies
yes master

Isaac Fisher
Isaac Fisher

my grandma got YANK'D

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

They like their GDP too much to surrender to R*ssoids

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

Is that what they teach you in Vatnikistan?

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

Yet in this excellent documentary you can see that half of the men charge bare hands.

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Isaac Smith
Isaac Smith

America is the original hamas

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

if soviets were such great strategists then fucking explain the winter war. one of the most embarrassing wars of all time.

Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

If the angoos were such great strategists the explain dieppe and market garden

Brayden Bailey
Brayden Bailey

I think we can safely say that the Netherlands won both world wars with minimal casualties.

Jackson Howard
Jackson Howard

not even close to being comparable and you know it

Angel Thompson
Angel Thompson

The Soviets, though they did poorly at first, ultimately succeeded at breaching the Mannerheim Line in the end and forced Finland to cede the main areas that it wanted to begin with. The USSR ultimately got what it wanted and won.

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

It was in WINTER, around the fucking arctic circle, in a country with medieval road system, against natives who had nothing to lose. It wasn't exactly a cakewalk.

Carson Baker
Carson Baker

You helped a lot, thanks really

Luis Rogers
Luis Rogers

If you weren't a dumb merifat you would know that the red army of 39 and the red army of 43 weren't the same thing

Josiah Murphy
Josiah Murphy

Why aren't they comparable? They're both military blunders like the Winter War. Does making military mistakes make all subsequent success null and void?

Xavier Wilson
Xavier Wilson

Why did the allies stop in Berlin?
They had to move on to Moscow and depose the Soviet regime to establish a democracy in Russia

Leo Bell
Leo Bell

The Allies did establish "democracy" in Russia in the 1990s. It was a total fucking disaster.

Isaac Foster
Isaac Foster

(((they))) didn't want, like in WWI (((they))) didn't want Foch to push to Berlin.

Andrew Nelson
Andrew Nelson

Patton the chad wanted to do that. Arm the Germans and go all the way to Moscow. But the dumb cuck leaders and anglos wanted it to stop.
The USSR falling apart sabotaged it before it can even begin.

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

They don't like The fact that They bankupted themselves and only stayed afloat due to American money and arms. While pretending that dying due to idiotic strategies en mass was the best. The French in particular could've beat Germany alone if it wasn't for shitty leadership

Mason White
Mason White

Why do Europeans like to dimish the significant role America played in both world wars?

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Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

The USSR falling apart sabotaged it before it can even begin.
No, it failed because the West installed a drunken retard to be their puppet and dismantle the USSR for them. Then they helped rig the 1996 election in favor of him even though people voted en masse to go back to communism. He sold off all of the public assets to oligarchs and Western capitalists and created another failed, neoliberal "democracy" ruled by a corrupt elite propped up by the West to sell out their countrymen to the Western bourg, just like they do in Latin America, Asia and Africa.

Hudson Fisher
Hudson Fisher

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Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

Based bolchevik.

Dominic Murphy
Dominic Murphy

No, it failed because the West installed a drunken retard to be their puppet and dismantle the USSR for them
It was already dismantling by the time the """puppet"" was being elected. Do you even know what caused the fall of the USSR?
/pol/ conspiracy tard argument
Jesus christ fucking off your self retard.

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Easton Hughes
Easton Hughes

I'm not bolchevik.
Just show you the reason why so many people here get into holy cringe when they see/hear cool stories about americans who libereated Europe from nazis.
Anyway, it's not my opinion and I won't tell you my view on this subj..

Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

I'm not bolchevik.
It's just a way to say "russian".

Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

It was already dismantling by the time the """puppet"" was being elected. Do you even know what caused the fall of the USSR?
I was talking about Yeltsin obviously you brainlet. I thought you were referring to the "democracy" when you said "it." The USSR was dismantling because of Gorbacuck shilling neoliberal bullshit and letting the West sabotage the country. The Soviet people voted overwhelmingly in the referendum to keep the USSR together but their vote was ignored and the USSR was broken up anyway.
Muh conspiracy theory
It's a known fact that Yeltsin was a stooge installed by the West that sold off state assets en masse and fucking demolished the country. It's also a known fact that Yeltsin appealed to Bill Clinton for help in the 1996 election because Zyuganov and the Communist Party were going to win since the whole country hated him. It's also a known fact that massive fraud and campaign law violations occurred in favor of Yeltsin during the election as the West poured in money and aid to support their puppet. I bet you think that ebil Russian hackers got Drumpf elected.

Ryder Morales
Ryder Morales

got it, collaborationist.

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Julian Brown
Julian Brown

I don't know enough about WW1 but by the time America entered Europe the Germans were on the retreat along the entire Eastern front. D-Day wasn't so much about beating Germany as it was about racing the Russians to Berlin

William Hughes
William Hughes

We say just "collabo".

Hudson Bell
Hudson Bell

Yeltsin obviously you brainlet
Thats what I meant tard. You obviously were not talking about Putin or Medvedev.
The Soviet people voted overwhelmingly in the referendum to keep the USSR together but their vote was ignored and the USSR was broken up anyway.
The Russian people did, but everyone else wanted out of the USSR.
L-LOOK COMRADE THE AMERICANS FUNDED YELSTEINS CAMPAIGN!
HAHA BET YOUR GONNA SAY LE RUSSIAN HACKERS
You are a walking contradiction """"""""""American"""""""""

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Your people deserve to be fucking extinct
and by your people I mean slavs

Matthew Gomez
Matthew Gomez

same

Joshua Sullivan
Joshua Sullivan

So get us extinct, huh.
Also, my grandfather executed lots of baltic nazi-larpers during the War. Feel no sorry :3

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Jonathan Foster
Jonathan Foster

I will feel "no sorry" when I bathe in your blood, sl*v(e).

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Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

Russians aren't slavs. They are middle Asia mutts of gypsies and tarters

Michael Ward
Michael Ward

I will
inb4 try get us extinct

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

That's an insult to middle Asia mutts and tarters. I'd rather have Khazar Turkish and mongol neighbors than sl*v(e)s.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

Just you specifically.

Adam Nguyen
Adam Nguyen

without russians hitler would have won,that is a fact

Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

*try to
Proud to be hordsman. Ruin Europe since 395.
Yah, you are so angerey, I guess. I feel your anger through the screen.

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

commies zerg rushed berlin killing millions of their own troops with suicidal attacks
russia won ww2, not like they did it for ethical reasons but just for imperialist reasons

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

i read somewhere than nearly the same people died in the Batlte of Stalingrad than in the entire western front
its still the most bloody battle of history

Leo Long
Leo Long

Nothing makes me happier than being angry. For I derive strength to do what is necessary like the berserkers of old.

Gavin Jenkins
Gavin Jenkins

Based as fuck

Dylan Cook
Dylan Cook

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Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

home-bred baltic berserkers

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Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

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Jayden Gomez
Jayden Gomez

We turned the side on the western front with operation overlord and we single handedly won the entire pacific campaign

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

Based

Gavin Brown
Gavin Brown

see any interview from WW2 soviet soldiers
they will say how their generals treated them like garbage and cannon fodder, saying they were expendable
life expectancy for males that got to fight in WW2 went down to 27 years old

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Kevin Robinson
Kevin Robinson

lel, how about you check out the infoboxes on spanish wikipedia which always has the estimates that other wikis try to hide

es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frente_Oriental_(Segunda_Guerra_Mundial)

less than 2 million germans KIA
more than 6 million soviets KIA

James Smith
James Smith

Please read/see this postwar propaganda
Yeah no thanks

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

The Russian people did, but everyone else wanted out of the USSR.
This is just blatantly fucking false. The Russian SFSR was actually one of the lowest percentages that voted in favor of preserving the USSR. Azerbaijan and the Central Asian republics voted upwards of 90% in favor of preserving the USSR.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
You are a walking contradiction """"""""""American"""""""""
I can be an American that opposes how the US fucks up other countries for its benefit.

Julian Cook
Julian Cook

I'm just happy to say that we killed a lot of Germans. Not as many as the Russians did but I'm just happy for them because they killed so many.

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

see any interview from WW2 soviet soldiers they will say how their generals treated them like garbage and cannon fodder, saying they were expendable
Then please, provide us with one of these supposed interviews.

Hunter Lee
Hunter Lee

everything that talks bad about USSR is propaganda
ok retard
youtube.com/watch?v=UAts6KvgEYE
youtube.com/watch?v=XJ_N2m_y_sQ
youtube.com/watch?v=PxshW7Q5I28

Gabriel Evans
Gabriel Evans

Provide those interviews Im sure you have plenty

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

Yikes

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

citing a literal anti-Russia propaganda channel
taking interviews out of context
muh blocking detachments
They were used only in the most desperate circumstances. The overwhelming majority of Soviet soldiers charged with desertion were returned to their units. Stalin ordered the Not One Step Back policy because the Red Army's discipline was falling apart and they had retreated too far to the east and many Soviet civilians were getting angry at the army for doing so. Three anecdotes isn't proof of some Soviet conspiracy to get all their men killed. Hitler prohibited retreats and tactical withdrawals and forced his armies to stay in doomed cities to defend them to the last man. Why is it only muh ebil Soviets that are accused of this?

Owen Kelly
Owen Kelly

Based.

Austin Turner
Austin Turner

Fat

Justin Lee
Justin Lee

It wasn't civilian. You used civilians as human shields. There is no worse war criminal than the American. You need to stop being so angry at Germans.

Cooper Bailey
Cooper Bailey

I've always wondered why anyone would bother to conduct a poll who people thought had done the most in the war in the month that the war ended. Why?

Kevin Johnson
Kevin Johnson

citing a literal anti-Russia propaganda channel
taking interviews out of contest
Lose the proxy vodnik. You are terrible at this.

Michael Parker
Michael Parker

I have no comebacks therefore I'll call you a Russian spy
Typical American liberal

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

no response to a bunch of memes
"I'll suck the dick of my Russian masters like a good little cuck"
Typical recucklitard

Gavin Baker
Gavin Baker

And the Soviets fucking WON that war, a detail without any importance apparently.

Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

Why do Europeans like to dimish the significant role America played in both world wars?
We do?

Cooper King
Cooper King

Officially yes, but their goal was to invade and take over the country, technically they were stopped and got their asses kicked out.

Henry Long
Henry Long

If it was then we wouldn't have accepted finnish capitulation

Brandon Russell
Brandon Russell

Then why didn't Russia simply take the country like they did with eastern Europe, if it was a complete victory ? They just didn't have the choice and say fuck it we stay here.

Brody Green
Brody Green

You took a lot of their land. you wouldn't need to have them capitulate.

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

Suomi was just too powerful

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

I'm a communist, not a Republicuck

Noah Adams
Noah Adams

Let's remember how Spain did absolutely nothing in either world war

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Juan Sanders
Juan Sanders

I mention that no military was more or less incompetent than the other except for the french one.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

Russians won in North Africa and East Africa ?

Isaiah Myers
Isaiah Myers

because occupying a free country while everyone wishes your bolshevik ass to be dead was not wise

they tried to stage a communist coup instead which failed

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

Sounds like spain was the most based country then.

Alexander Mitchell
Alexander Mitchell

devilish

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Evan Cook
Evan Cook

Why do Europeans like to dimish the significant role America played in both world wars?
Because penis envy is bigger on the Internet. The majority of regular people don't actually believe that.

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Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

And in Europe itself you arrived just in time to reap the benefits of other countries' years long struggle without doing much of note yourself.
Nice meme. The German military reached the peak of its size in 1944 and the Americans engaged and destroyed formations of millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of AFVs, and tens of thousands of planes. Had the Western Allied vs Germany subset of the war in 1943-1945 (in which Americans were 2/3 of Allied soldiers, 3/4 of Allied casualties, and pretty much all of Allied spending) been counted as a separate conflict, it would have been the second largest land war in history, involving 9 million German and 6 million WAllied soldiers and over a hundred thousand aircraft.

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Aaron Cooper
Aaron Cooper

This, France was the only competent military.

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

Competent at surrendering yes

Charles Baker
Charles Baker

The ones who the war was the western allies. The Soviets didn't win the war by themselves that's a fucking retarded thing to say

Ryder Rivera
Ryder Rivera

Just face it, no great Power at that time, be at the USA, the British Empire or the Soviet Union could beat Germany on its own.

Evan Wilson
Evan Wilson

*nukes Berlin*
You were saying?

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

Surrendering AND winning. You can't be more competent than that.

Adam King
Adam King

America and Russia were both good goy superpowers so fuck them both

Cameron Powell
Cameron Powell

Nothing happens
They don't really STILL teach you the 70 year old lie that Japan surrendered because of the nukes, do they?

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Ayden Roberts
Ayden Roberts

Yes I pretty sure they surrendered because two of there city just got flattened by 2 bombs

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

actually based and redpilled

Lucas James
Lucas James

America intervent Russia, when it gots revolution.
HA :D pussied out fo starving

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

Kek, even American historians acknowledge nowadays that the Japs surrendered because of the Soviet invasion of Manchuria.
mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-05/hiroshima-bombing-did-not-lead-japanese-surrender-anniversary/6672616
washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-atomic-bomb/2015/07/31/32dbc15c-3620-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html?noredirect=on

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

Damn that's based

Levi Johnson
Levi Johnson

USA and USSR would beat the shit out of Germany with ease

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