What would have been if Bolsheviks won Civil War in Finland... imagine that

What would have been if Bolsheviks won Civil War in Finland... imagine that

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finland would be wakanda tier today

also, there would be no death camps after the war

It already happened, it's called Estonia.

Estonia is okay though

Bolsheviks lost in Estonia

Estonia had 25ish years of independence after the Russian civil war which were crucial for nation building and have lasting effects on the country's culture to this day. I'd say we still lucked out all things considered.

Fuck s*uthrons

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Was the south of Finland communist?

Yes

But 90% of Finland live in south

Yes?

there never were death camps in finland

So 90% of Finland were communists?

Almost all cities all went commie in the Civil War.

How then white movement won if they were outnumbered by reds

Whites conscripted every young man from territories that they took so most people who fought on their side weren't ideologically motivated, they just chose to fight rather than risk the punishments.

Finland was less urbanized back then so by population they weren't so uneven. But the left had slight numbers advantage.

Also the Whites had the massive military expertise advantage of Tsarist imperial officers and German trained nationalists, together with the equipment advantage. Although the German supported nationalists kept trying to kill the White aristocrat leadership and take over the country so Whites wasted some effort fighting each other.

12 000 POWs died in the camps after the war.

Fenno-swedes and germans fucking finns up

I get that most whites mainly wanted independence, but was there a lot of them that were still loyal to the romanovs?

Finland would be the same as it is today, assuming that neither Soviets or Germans invaded us.
No, in fact, we would be better.
We would have been friends with Soviets, and because we are not subhuman slavs we wouldn't have fucked everything up.
So we would have just received Soviet gibs...
And now today we would be allied with BASED CHINA. And we would be showing the world that communism can work, as long as you are not a subhuman.

30% Russians and they became part of Soviet Union.

Aristocratic White leadership like Mannerheim didn't want independence, they wanted to join the Russian Civil War on the White side, but Mannerheim was quickly kicked out of power when he advocated rejecting Lenin's offer of independence and joining Kolchak instead (lol).

Actually, the first response of the government of Finland to Lenin's coup was to try to take command of the Russian military stationed in Finland and to help Kerensky's government against the Reds. But the Russian forces just either supported the Reds or refused to fight. Initially the declaration of independence was made mainly so that Finland could start gathering its own army to fight the Reds.

Before the revolution the leftists were the pro-independence side while the right-wing was the more loyalist side. The leftists won the first election in 1917 and the right-wing plotted with the Russian provisional government to disband the leftist, separatist parliament.

Radical leftists then staged a semi-coup and most of 1917 was spent with the future leaders of the Reds occupying the parliament etc, demanding a declaration of independence.

After White victory there was a big debate whether Finland should take Lenin's offer of independence or whether to join the Russian Civil War. Kolchak of the Russian Whites refused to offer Finland independence so the debate ended with even right-wing Finland taking Lenin's offer.

this isnt even slightly true
don't take history lessons from junkies

Name even one thing about it that isn't true.

all of it

In other words, you can't name even one mistake in it.

Sources for all of this are very easily available, though mostly in Finnish.

>all of it
>you can't name even one mistake in it.
this is why finnshits should be slaughtered like animals