Daily reminder that when the wagie revolution comes the capitalist class will have to be shot not just in order to...

>getting this upset by silly workplace bullshit
you are autistic. How fucking destroyed would society be if lazy retards like you actually shot up the entire middle and upper class. Just move to Africa if that's what you want

>saying nigger makes you racist
>>>/reddit/

>expecting wagies to act like entrepreneurs
the person that made the board is retarded

Words have meaning. Take responsibility for the ideology your language promotes

meaning is ambiguous, brainlet. it's why no one truly understands anyone else

>middle and upper class
This is a relativizing and subjective way of categorizing classes (also: wrong). The objective categories relate people's positions to the means of production (factories, land, etc.): those who own them are capitalists, those who don't are wagies. It doesn't matter if some wagies earn bigger wages than others since ultimately both are in servitude to the capitalist.

That's not how ideology works, you stupid retard. Read Althusser, Zizek, Adorno, you moralistic faggot.

Imagine being so fucking autistic that you think language is subjective and that the conclusion you have come to because you can’t comminucate, is that it must be normal that nobody understand each other

Lmao

How the fuck did you even find a computer aren’t people this autistic usually also blind. I mean I can tell you’re obviously like 16 but still

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i can communicate with people fine. meaning is ambiguous, not language, brainlet

Holy fuck I can't even imagine being poor and lazy enough to fantasize about shooting the upper class while also being this smug. Only disgusting communists are capable of this. You are subhuman and you will never be successful at anything meaningful in your life.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG

>meaning is ambiguous, not language

My bad you are clearly 14.

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Just to clarify: do you think that Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Goldman Sachs, etc. had positive and meaningful contribution to humanity?

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Agreed. Bear in mind of course that we don't have "Capitalism" in the sense of an actual free market system of voluntary & non-coercive trade between free, rational actors. We have (((Capitalism))) in which a class (of whom a large majority belong to a specific ethno-religious group Oy vey) exert violent & coercive control over all aspects of economic life via unfair taxes, manipulation of markets, bailing out of specific plutocrats (like the bankers) when they fuck up. So normie fags larping as AnCaps can gtfo if they defend the current system. Bicker about what the solution to the problem is (Libertarianisn of either a left or right variety, since authoritarian communism is just the same system we have currently in a modified form ), but anyone not seeing the current system as a corrupt & indefensible farce is just a straight up NPC.

>i can't understand what someone else is saying therefore, i will insult their intelligence
thanks for proving my point, retard.

Yes. They contributed more to humanity than you would in a million lifetimes.

I find it funny that on a board nominally dedicated to decentralized currency platforms there are so many people who's ideology requires a centrally controlled government operating a centrally controlled currency to steal from the productive members of society.
>We'll just make a commiecoin
Nobody capable of commerce wants to deal with commies, you are all insufferable faggots that think your own weakness is somehow justification for organized theft.

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haha, a bootlicker!

look at him! look at him and laugh!

>the ruling classes will never dispense tendies to you because you are nothing but a wagie, who will never receive even close to full compensation for your labor beyond the amount necessary to ensure your survival and thus continued slavery

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how retarded do you have to be to ask this question unironically?

Damn I wish the working class in the US would wake the fuck up before we all have to start dancing like clowns for the amusement of the ruling class in order to survive

read a history book for fuck’s sake

Yeah, this. Has to be made impossible to create a situation of centralised control at the technological & systemic level. Ultimately, the real issue is centralised power in the hands of a few people that can leverage it for further gains at the expense of everyone else.

I personally employ 17 people you stupid faggot. You honestly think your contribution to society is higher than Bill Gates'? You wouldn't even have the ability to write this bullshit if he never existed.

>being this retarded

Not an argument. Which history book? By who & whom?

I hope the 17 of them get together and hang you one day

>Bear in mind of course that we don't have "Capitalism" in the sense of an actual free market system of voluntary & non-coercive trade between free, rational actors.
Capitalism has changed a lot throughout its 300-400 years of history -- but which socioeconomic system didn't? I would like to point out the fact that whenever people claim that somehow capitalism was 'corrupted from the outside' they totally idealize and misrepresent what the system actually is.

(Free) market competition is the main motor force behind monopolization, of mergers of industry and banks -- things that libertarians rightly perceive as being shitty. A truly free competitive economy by its own nature produces big winners, winners that are faced with a choice of becoming even bigger at all costs (be it criminality -- as if "legality" wasn't defined by capitalists under capitalism) or let your main competitor do the same.

(Pic related is a good source for providing data for these claims.)

>(((Capitalism))) in which a class (of whom a large majority belong to a specific ethno-religious group Oy vey)
Even if this was true (it is not, but I don't with to argue along this ideological line) what difference would it make if pic in OP was made by a kike or an Irish capitalist? You either realize that it is not gender/ethnicity/age/etc. which determines choices made in a SYSTEM but the STRUCTURES governing that very system or you remain on the level of boot licking liberals and illiterate alt-right faggots.

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you are afraid of getting owned so hard lmao

pay close attention to which class says what, wagies

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>structures exist without people implementing them
brainlet

>be Russia circa 1910s or China circa 1940s
>live in third world semi-feudal shithole with capitalists owning everything
>"Don't kill me. Without job creators, you'll all live like apes."
>kill capitalists anyway
>country massively improves in life expectancy, industrialization, infant mortality, and food consumption because it turns out capitalists are actually useless parasites and you really can manage your economy without them
>capitalism is restored in 1990s with Friedmanite free-market policies that promise a utopia
>save for a few tiny meme states like Estonia, people starve, life sucks, no job security, rising death rates, and Pew polls show most people want socialism back

We're even seeing the same thing in America now. The capitalists won, and now everything's decreasing: life expectancy, wages, job security, and free time.

Sooner or later people are going to realize what's objcetively in their self interest.

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Why don't you just buy linkies user then you can stop being a whiny pussy after you get some money.

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Please go back to plebbit

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The soviet union was total fucking ass under communism. If you think that's what we should strive for then you are hopeless.

>Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Goldman Sachs contributed to humanity
Let's see, user!
>Jeff Bezos, the wealthiest man in the history of the human race
>could abolish poverty globally with 25% of his money
>runs literal slave farms
>millions are losing their jobs thanks to him to be reemployed under worst conditions

>Bill Gates
>halted the development of IT by 30 years
>inb4 you defend their predatory capitalist practices and the joke of an OS CIA-friendly Windows is

>Steve Chops
>let's put up nets to catch suicidal workers jumping out from the windows of my slave factories in china
>3/4th of the "innovation" put inside an iPhone was developed by the state

>defending Goldman Sachs on biz
How does boot taste like?

Eric Hobsbawm’s ages trilogy
Neoliberalism by David Harvey
The Long Century by Giovanni Arighi
Long waves of capitalist development by Ernest Mandel
The Origin of Capitalism by Wood

notice I didn’t even include any marx so you wouldn’t shit your diapies

Good post, and I'd like to add a paragraph from that book
>We must now try to sum up, to draw together the threads of what has been said above on the subject of imperialism. Imperialism emerged as the development and direct continuation of the fundamental characteristics of capitalism in general. But capitalism only became capitalist imperialism at a definite and very high stage of its development, when certain of its fundamental characteristics began to change into their opposites, when the features of the epoch of transition from capitalism to a higher social and economic system had taken shape and revealed themselves in all spheres. Economically, the main thing in this process is the displacement of capitalist free competition by capitalist monopoly. Free competition is the basic feature of capitalism, and of commodity production generally; monopoly is the exact opposite of free competition, but we have seen the latter being transformed into monopoly before our eyes, creating large-scale industry and forcing out small industry, replacing large-scale by still larger-scale industry, and carrying concentration of production and capital to the point where out of it has grown and is growing monopoly: cartels, syndicates and trusts, and merging with them, the capital of a dozen or so banks, which manipulate thousands of millions. At the same time the monopolies, which have grown out of free competition, do not eliminate the latter, but exist above it and alongside it, and thereby give rise to a number of very acute, intense antagonisms, frictions and conflicts. Monopoly is the transition from capitalism to a higher system.

it's afraid

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This isn't even remotely accurate...

Without intervention from the West the Soviets would have collapsed. And this isn't just WWII aid, this pre WWII. The Soviets bent over backwards for American cock.

You might be the most retarded person here today.

>could abolish poverty globally with 25% of his money
Maybe for a year or two before they go broke again. Very few people are poor because of isolated instances of bad luck. A majority of them are poor due to a long sequences of bad decisions. You are one of these people. You're just dumb as fuck, and that's why you will be poor and bitter for the rest of your life. Bezos could personally hand you a million dollars and you'd just waste it.

yeah because the soviets were totally given aid during the cold war

also every brainlet knows that the soviets did the heavy lifting during WWII for the allies lol

go back to high school

This. And BTW, capitalism can function with corporations managed in a decetralised way. Communism yields too much power to States and Traditional capitalism yields too much to Corporations/Gov.

It's possible to reinvent capitalism with a truely decentralised manner. It's just that such a model don't exist now.

BTW, have you ever wondered why in forest there are no "manager" trees, yet it function beautifully. So as your brain. Only thing special about human-based entities is incentivisation as our primary motivation. Design it right and you have a blue print to start a change.

Start small and create a decentrally-managed (liquid democracy / horizon state / Aragon whatever) and sustainable eco-village with some form of spirituality at its core. That's my dream. DESSECO user !

I didn't say that. What I'm trying to get through to you is that the objective structures of a given socio-economic system determines the choices people can make, are stimulated to, or discouraged to do.

To use an analogy: you can't play by the rules of chess or poker when you are playing Monopoly with your friends. I mean... you could, but then you'd lose. The structure of the game rewards certain attitudes while punishing others.

I said pre WWII.

>Bezos could personally hand you a million dollars and you'd just waste it.
Not that guy but are you fucking serious? You sure that's not your ideology talking?

this is possibly the most retarded post i have ever read

>implying that “abolishing poverty” means just dropping coins out of zeppelins, which you capitalists seem to picture when you think of philanthropy

Oh, we never had Capitalism. Like functioning Marxist-Leninist Communism, it's a utopian ideal that's never been implemented.

>Free market competition is main motivator behind monopolisation

Nope. The state monopoly on the use of violence precedes it. Plutocrats can then buy politicians to further their interests. It might be impossible (as in, maybe humans are just too deeply hardwired for hierarchy), but without coercion large, subsidised monopolies just don't remain. Eg, the bank bailouts - if they had to play by the same rules as a small business & fail if they fuck up, leaner & better competitors (like say blockchain powered Mutual societies with crowd sourced decision making) would eat them for breakfast. Instead, they get a free pass.

>even if it was true (re Jews)

Oh it is though, that's just publicly available information. The 1% in the US are disproportionately Jewish, by an incredible margin. Don't make me go all Jow Forums and drop red pill charts.

And it's entirely relevant to mention it btw. Class dynamics have a lot to do with racial in-group dynamics & are intrinsically linked to race & culture. Ruling classes are almost never the same ethnic group as the ruled, see India, Egypt, Britain etc. Race & class just go hand in hand. Kin selection and preference are a large part of what creates class in the first place. Then factor religious groups with an intrinsic contempt for outsiders, and it's easy to see how Jews wind up as a large part of the ruling class. But no, an Irish capitalist can be equally a problem - but statistically, they're not as likely to be Irish.

B-but america and britain landed on some beach somewhere and killed like, 7000 german troops. That's actually how the nazis were defeated.

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writing a language isn't as hard as you think faggot

>intervention from the West
You mean when 12+ capitalist countries invaded Russia after it had a wagie revolution and the capitalists failed?

If I were a capitalist like I'd be afraid at the creativity and resoluteness of the wagies waging a revolution, because it is almost as if these wagies would rather fucking die in battle than to suffer a minute more of the "enlightened" capitalist regime.

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You might be retarded too. Do you kiddie commies not know how to read? I said,
>pre WWII

>being this much of a angry commie poorcuck

You're too dumb to live off the grid and your family was too dumb to amass land to live off. You should be thankful for the opportunity of employment. Besides, why do you losers keep thinking being a wagie is forever? You can always start your own business with savings. Everyone works for someone, we all live in societies, we need each other for different things. Basics of life that edgy teenager twitter commies like you don't understand. Back to rebbet faggot.

>The state monopoly on the use of violence precedes [private monopolies]
One of capitalism's basic line of contradiction has always been between the private sphere and the state: the state limits the freedom of the private sphere, sure, but without without the capitalist state the private sphere could not function since the rights to private property have to be guaranteed for a capitalist economy, and this can not be done without what you correctly call a monopoly on violence.

(If you actually cared to look up the history of private property you'd find the very same: in order to be able to say that "this high yielding farm is my property and these are my slaves" you had to have protection, enforcement, etc. -- violence.)

>le 1% jooz
Pic related. Capitalism is actually controlled by the Irish. Take the green pill, blind nigger.

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The Russian Civil war was between 1918 and 1921 -- before WWII --, you fat and illiterate american.

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>the objective structures of a given socio-economic system determines the choices people can make, are stimulated to, or discouraged to do
you literally just did
brainlet

Brainlet teenagers will never understand that some problems can't be dealt with by just throwing cash at them. You think if you pump 50 trillion dollars in Africa that it'll be a utopia in 20 years? No it fucking won't. Africa will still be a shithole, because it's full of fucking Africans. God you zoomers are fucking adorable with the dumb shit you say, "abolish global poverty with ~20bn dollars" nigger are you fucking dumb?

I'll tell you something for free, sometimes, the path to improvement of life needs not money itself, but things which are expensively funded by money. For instance, don't throw cash at an education system, research ways to teach better on an individual basis.

>The structure of the game
someone had to make the game, retard. that was the point.

>it is clever people™ who become the ruling class
Imagine being this sheltered.
>be thankful that capitalists can exploit you
Thanks, massa'!
>why do you losers keep thinking being a wagie is forever
Because 80% of new enterprises fail in their first four years, because 99% of the world's population dies as either unemployed, wagie, or pensioner after being a lifelong wagie.
>You can always start your own business with savings.
Are you retarded? Savings from what? Inheritance from whom? What the fuck do you think banks are for? You take a gamble with them and you either lose your house immediately or in 10 years due to the next global economic crisis.

The days of your ignorant kind are numbered.

"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living."

>waaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa life isn't fair
if you say so.
you sound like a defeated faggot

I don't quite understand, are you legitimately retarded? Surely you understand the Russian Civil War and the Revolution, but you seem to lack a firm grasp of the interwar period of Russia and the Soviet State.

Do you actually know how Russia grew during that time period? Do you know those 5 year plans were actually carried out?

>"Lenin, Leon Trotsky, and Joseph Stalin all opted for technological America. One of the momentous and almost forgotten chapters of modern history concerns the Bolsheviks’ fierce determination between the two world wars to adopt the industrial legacy of the United States"

americanheritage.com/content/how-america-helped-build-soviet-machine

I'll give you the TLDR, Soviets only survived by importing American industry built upon capitalism. It's an interesting article you probably should read. Capitalism built the USSR.

Next time you might want to comprehend the history you attempt to defend.

just googled that quote, because i'd never heard it. fucking karl marx, top fucking kek.

So what wonderful rules do you have in mind that will have everyone become a massive winner forever, leaving boomer humor and dancing for corporate a distant memory?

Your parents are dumb losers and you're even worse. There's no use, you were destined to be an angry, bitter poorcuck. Back to rebbit, loser. Don't bring us down with your depressing sad life LMAO.

ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

>Don't bring us down with your depressing sad life LMAO.
The funny thing about this: Jow Forums is one of the most depressed boards out there. It's basically the board for hopeless millennials who see through the charade of working for a capitalist so they sit down at the roulette table and hope desperately that they hit the jack pot (1:100....0 chance).

If anything communists bring hope countering the delusions of the average Jow Forumsfag: nope, you are not going to "make it," your virtual sonic coins are not going to save you from wagie life, but there is still hope: overthrowing the existing order.

Remember these words when we enter the next economic crisis.

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kek, porky is angry and scared

the most npc comment I've seen all day

No rebuttal on how capitalism built the USSR during the interwar period?

Hows it feel to get blown the FUCK out? You literally post on a system of tubes stemming from capitalism and the free market of America and yet bash it? On top of not even understanding your chosen ideology only survived by sucking Henry Ford's dick.

no Marxist that I know of ever said communism was an alternative to capitalism but a successor like capitalism to feudalism

What the fuck is this even supposed to prove? Yes, The USSR imported a great deal of technology from the more advanced western nations. They were not "interventions". By the same logic I could argue that America would have starved if it wasn't for Soviet grain.
Trade happens, get over it kiddo.

I'm sorry, but I have an inbuilt tolerance level to burger ideology. Somehow the "we shat out the world by ourselves" from pic related is not something I am willing to spend time on.

Feel free to "rub it in" by pointing out how "MURRICA" has "WON AGAIN" and start clapping and chanting the three letter abbreviation of your country's name.

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So you mean to tell me that the "successor" ideology to capitalism was so good, that it had to rely on capitalism to make it work under Lenin's Marxism.

And even then after the interwar period, the ideology was so good that it only,
>leaned heavily on the massive industrial base that they had by then established with American help

>So you mean to tell me that capitalism, the "successor" to Feudalism was so good, that it had to rely on Feudalism to make it work under Georgian era Britain?

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Not argument. Yeah, you lost. I'm sorry you lost all credibility when the proud Leninist went and personally sucked off Henry Ford with their trade delegation.

Prove?

Its simple. It goes beyond trade. Did you even read the article? It spells out how the USSR was a creation of capitalism due to their reliance on industry, people, education, and technology derived from America.

>So you mean to tell me that the "successor" ideology to capitalism was so good, that it had to rely on capitalism to make it work under Lenin's Marxism.
Yes, that's literally what he's saying. Capitalist development in Russia was way behind capitalist development in western Europe, so when the workers took over they needed to catch up by importing more advanced machinery and techniques. I don't understand what it is you don't understand.

You should look for real life utopias, most of them failed.

Theres a pretty clear evolution from the feudal society of England into the mercantile empire it became.

If that was the case, then why did the USSR collapse?

What does this have to do with what we're talking about?

explain gravity

So logically, if Marxism-Lenin and the ensuing ideologies of the USSR were the successors to capitalism...

Why do you guys not recognize that capitalism built the USSR initially

And

How do account for the collapse during the Cold War, if the economic system was superior?

Magnets probably.

>gommie factor still trying to recruit
>still doesn't realize he is enslaved to ideology as much as the capitalists
Take the indigo pill, faggot. Wake up and realize you're being controlled by ideas that you didn't even come up with.

>proves himself right by showing how brainwashed the americans are
If you actually read about WW2 you would know that the Nazis were defeated when they ran out of oil and had to go to Russia to get the oil. When the Russians circled them, they were out of oil and they lost the eastern front. Because they lost the eastern front they also lost the western front. Prior to this, it is well known that the Ruskies sent their troops relentlessly. The war couldn't have been won without either the burgers or the vodkas but given that the US only sold weapons and arms before Pearl Harbor, the ruskies did the heavy work and when the US meddled into this, they were fighting a weakened Nazi army that was out of oil and had no ubermensch left to spare on the frontlines. Oh also, Italy happened haha.

Your language promotes the ideaology of a nagging housewife. Take responsibility for over 70% of all divorce.

Lol who of you here has more than 2m net worth let's flex on these clowns

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Somehow I missed this post.
>capitalism can function with corporations managed in a decetralised way
This would be a rather hilarious and predictable experiment:
>[somehow (kek) we get to the point where] every monopoly, banking mega-cartel, media mogulate, international industrial megacorporation decides to stop competing for a moment and they voluntarily decide to restructure themselves out of the goodness of their hearts
>they decide that from now on they don't need no evil state and they can decide in a decentralized way who gets which plot of land, factory
>the experiment ends with certain capitalist aligned with others, hiring private militias and enforcing their rule
TL;DR: private property literally can not be upheld without violence in a competitive economy

>It's possible to reinvent capitalism with a truely decentralised manner
You do realize that societies throughout human history didn't change through "reinvention" but through great upheavals, revolutions, wars, and so on? You can invent anything on paper but how will you convince your good daddy capitalists to implement your dreams? They will not listen to your childish and moralistic weeping that is for sure.

>BTW, have you ever wondered why in forest there are no "manager" trees, yet it function beautifully.
Society, like, dude, totally, it's like trees, man. Like, pass that joint, dude!

China still exists. Just like the soviet union socialism turned the country from a semi-feudal wasteland with constant famines into a global superpower. I mean that's got to count for something right?

My grandpa fought on the eastern front died today :(

it’s because we have a conception of something called “historical materialism” and “dialectical materialism” which you are too pea-brained to comprehend

socialism/communism must arise out of the proper conditions by force, these proper conditions being capitalism. these conditions may not always be ideal but you can bring about proper industrialization as the USSR did for example. marx thought that there would be a communist revolution in england first due to its level of industrialization. of course a socialist state isn’t fucking capitalism, that’s how historical materialism works.

>It doesn't matter if some wagies earn bigger wages than others since ultimately both are in servitude to the capitalist.

Commies are going to be slaves to new masters after their communist revolution. It doesn't matter what labels you come up with for people, ideologies, and whatnot. Objectively, you won't change the shitty side of people just by redistributing property.

>thinks that he can escape ideology
Watch The Pervert's Guide to Ideology, you centrist faggot.
>indigo pill: being antisocial
That's not an escape, you idiot, that's just the basic social reality of capitalism.
>you're being controlled by ideas that you didn't even come up with
Is this your version of the SJW's refusal to engage with books and thoughts by saying that those were written by "dead white men"?

also, economies don’t exist in a vacuum, fucktwat.

>COLD WAR
>PRESSURE FROM ALL SIDES AND ADJACENT PROXY WARS THAT PUT RELENTLESS PRESSURE ON THE SOVIET UNION DUE TO IT BEING PERCEIVED AS A SUCCESSFUL THREAT TO CAPITALIST SOCIETY

geee i wonder why we had the red scare and so much anti-communist propaganda xddd surely it’s because—

mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html