I don't own any of these tokens, and I don't plan to anytime soon. But can we acknowledge how amazing the browser is...

I don't own any of these tokens, and I don't plan to anytime soon. But can we acknowledge how amazing the browser is? Ever since the founder of firefox got fired/voted out I've had more and more problems with firefox but just accepted it. The last year it's gotten ridiculous, freezing my computer - gpu errors loading videos - slow performance - UI never updated - insane memory hogging with only 2-3 tabs open.

Never would consider using chrome/windows explorer because of the obvious reasons and opera fell behind. Finally had enough and installed brave and holy fuck it's a breath of fresh air. Not having any of the problems I had with firefox anymore. Feels like the first time I switched from internet explorer to the original firefox in the 2000's

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bagholding to the max

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>the browser is amazing!
>doesn’t invest
Enjoy killing yourself in 2 years

I'll buy some to support the community, but there's no bag I feel comfortable pulling from for the next 2-4 weeks.

I installed it right now because of this thread.
Wanted it to do for a while but got comfy with firefox.
It's fucking amazing. It is privacy by default just like XMR. On firefox you get the same shit only optional like on fucking ZCash. When my brain made that comparision I went all in brave.
And I also saw that you get paid BAT by watching on ads lol, but that isn't even here yet, it shows comming soon. nice.

Its funny to me that Brave was able to do what all others couldn't, become a globally accessible wallet and ecosystem. And no one here see's it.

Its just chromium with some addons that causes bugs everywhere

I did some reading and apparently there's some new FUD going around about brave whitelisting facebook for tracking or something. Maybe hold off on buying for a bit. I don't really care about that (for now) because I'm already 100% accounted for and spied on with gmail and google play on my phone. I just love how much faster it is and void of the crashes. I kept trying to make trades on idex with metamask and i have to refresh 10 times to get it to work and got screwed a few times when prices were pumping/dumping fast. Don't have that problem anymore with brave.

it's amazing because all they did was steal the open source chrome code and put a different skin on it. You're literally using chrome under the hood retards. Brave is a marketing scam and you brainlets fell for it. kek

It's an official brainlet browser.
You don't have to alternate inbetween tor and pimping out adblockers and hosts. Easy to use. Absolutely convenient for normie browsing.

Browser is fantastic, but the token is useless and has no value. Will bleed out sub 5 cents this year and eventually just trade between 5-10 cents. Sure you might catch a 2x if you play it right, but other projects will be much, much more profitable. BAT will never see a quarter again let alone 50 cents or even $1.

...AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, NOW YOU KNOW

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oh fugg, we moon soon

market is fucked bros

youtube.com/watch?v=u5if6nV0jAY&feature=youtu.be

kek enjoy your bags delusional morons.

Just kind of realized something: Obviously we already know advertisers don't need to buy and hold BAT in order to pay for advertising campaigns through Brave (see pic, Brave will sell ads based on CPM, that is paid for through straight up FIAT and advertisers never have to even touch BAT).

However, advertisers buying/holding/using BAT for themselves and participating in the BAT ecosystem have EXTRA incentive to advertise through Brave, because their advertising campaigns directly pump BAT and solidify Brave's whole advertising ecosystem.

Seems obvious but it's something entirely brand new. Compare with Google Ads: the burden is you pay Google, the benefit is you get advertising. With BRAVE: Burden is you pay Brave, benefit is you get advertising + any indirect benefit to BAT as a cryptocurrency. It's a whole new world.

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Holy shit, is it yesterday? Did I go back in time?

CEO and CTO of Brave already responded to that. Next you'll post the Facebook whitelist FUD lol

Firefox isn't a botnet.
Brave is.

Prove it dipshit, it's fucking open source so it shouldn't be too hard

Damn I love talking about Brave, especially with dumbass brainlets on Jow Forums. It's hilarious because you always get the same retarded nonsense over and over yet Brave chugs along and keeps improving + growing in popularity

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So then why does BAT token keep dumping user?

> oh fug

because it's imaginary online money and it's a >fucking browser token, my Pajeet friend

I don't know, BAT ads aren't live yet and we're in a bear market. Most everything is dumping save for the "big news!" pump and dump scams.

BAT seems like an obvious thing to me. Brendan Eich created Mozilla, one of the most popular web browsers in the entire world. That should be enough of a reason not to doubt him, but to add to that, Brave is ALREADY faster than Chrome and Firefox, and blocks ads by default. Those are objective truths no matter how anyone spins it. Now he's planning on adding a cryptocurrency aspect to the browser as an essential part of the browser. That's too exciting and makes too much sense for me to pass up.

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Wow you make a good case. But couldn’t Brave itself succeed as a browser but BAT price not go up?

I don't give a shit about the fud. I mean how much worse can it get. It's not like they have my browser history from the last 10 years already and my porn preferences will be around longer on some google server than I will on this planet lol. We the /biz should be the early adopters of projects like brave and if it goes to bust we have nothing to lose because also we are /biz

you get paid BAT by browsing brave and enduring watching on ads while you do so if you wish.
"you are not a product" they say
and if you want to be a product then at least get paid for it

That's the general sentiment I think, especially on Jow Forums and reddit, but I don't think it's true at all.

Most people that use Brave have no feel for how integrated BAT will be into the browser. Earning/spending BAT will be available literally at the flip of a switch. The ads are unintrusive but there's an incentive to click on them (that incentive is BAT).

The more success Brave has, the more people are exposed to the potential use of BAT. On top of that, Brave is already looking ahead to more and more uses for BAT (lowering paywalls through microtransactions, paying for subscriptions, introducing BAT to various plug-ins, etc. etc.)

From what I see people entirely underestimate how important BAT is to Brave and the Brave team. I'd even go as far to say BAT is more important than the Brave browser itself, and in the future people will look back and say "Yeah no shit, BAT was the play all along", but right now it's just not that obvious

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Just like before eoy 2018. Don't fall for the hype again folks.

Brave is a godsend for mobile browsing

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They partnered with metamask to build their wallet. The paywalls they speak of will be dapps. BAT is going to bring in mainstream use of crypto.

Chromium with add ons and an erc-20 token applied when you watch ads.

It's so fucking innovating my balls are starting to glow funny colors.

i want to buy this but im balls deep in link

Congrats, user, you just talked in a circle while not addressing the question whatsoever. Even if BAT winds up being used in commensurate volume to the Brave Browser, what mechanism is there for the token to increase in value several times over? In a vacuum, the structured utility of the token has no intrinsic properties to facilitate growing in price, and I don't see the market significantly driving up token value with adoption. If anything, it seems to me that a high degree of volatility would be counterproductive for the BAT/Brave ecosystem. Prospective value increase is the same reason people very rarely transact in bitcoin for other purposes than buying alts and why no other digital currency has seen any real usage.

How much is a dollar worth?

>what mechanism is there for the token to increase in value several times over

1. Speculation
2. Advertisers pay in USD which is immediately turned into BAT
>Advertiser pays $5,000 for Brave Ad campaign, that is a $5,000 pump for BAT
3. USD -> BAT to hold on Brave for dapp use like mentioned
4. USD -> BAT to donate to publications/content producers ala Patreon
5. BAT Ads also incentivizes to users to hold a certain amount so there's not a constant sell pressure (example: I received 50 BAT for watching ads, I will spend 20 and keep 30)

To address your points about volatility, it's a cryptocurrency. Microtransactions are key, and BAT will always be worth X amount of USD, meaning that if you want to donate/buy/sell $5 of BAT, that's going to be possible if it's 50 BAT or if it's .5 BAT. You're kind of misunderstanding the whole ecosystem if you still think volatility will have any real affect whatsoever on the ecosystem.

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I think the key difference here is that spending/donating/using BAT will be intuitive because

1. It's built right into the browser
2. It's part of the token's use case and
3. You can EARN it, you don't have to buy it, so people immediately feel better about using/selling/donating it than they would BTC or ETH, etc.

free briwsers wirk great user. nobody wants to watch ads retard

it is not for holding, it will be nice if I get to be paid for viewing ads and than I'd pay services like spotify, netflix so I don't have to worry about little things to pay

That's the genius of it. You don't have to watch ads at all. If you ever feel like earning some BAT, you toggle the ads on and some companies will shoot an ad to you every 15 minutes based on what you're browsing. If you want to view it and earn some BAT, click it.

If not, don't click, continue with web browsing. It'll be seamless.

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Imagine being this wrong.

Brave is unironically the best normie mobile browser available.

It will be adopted. Normies will fuck around with brave. BAT will go x10.

Which part is wrong? The browser has gained popularity recently but the BAT token price has crashed.

This is a smart idea. Keep the currency spending going and only hold store of values like Bitcoin.

do you realize the the coin supply is capped?

This is the point that people are making. The BAT/Brave ecosystem CAN work, but for it to work optimally, the token will be relatively stable and won't experience dramatic upward price movement. People can't look at bitcoin and note that the reason people don't transact with it is because they'd rather hold for a 10x and then say that BAT being successfully adopted as a means of transaction will 10x the token price. It's fallacious logic and self-contradiction. Right now the price can be somewhat volatile (for good or for ill) because integration and use hasn't happened yet, but if BAT starts seeing large-scale utility, then the influence of speculation will significantly decrease. I think that BAT/Brave is a great project, but I don't think it will bring great returns, and the stability that I noted has already been evident to an extent over the past year: the token has held its value extremely well compared to similar-sized projects and experienced comparatively small increases during the couple mini bull sessions.

i started using BRAVE when they recently updated the whole thing.
the new version is VERY usable - the old version not so much, way too many errors.
i like the BAT integration and the only website i pay is coinmarketcap

legacy firefox was bought out by George Soros and is a highly censored browser - so using that is out of the question

part of Brave's privacy policy is that they dont sell user information
so as of right now, its the best privacy browser with the most functionality

tldr> BRAVE is the crypto browser that saves you a shit load of time by btfoing (automatically) all ads and trackers

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If you think about it, BAT's system is pretty similar to shitty mobile games that reward you with in-game currency for choosing to view ads. This is a good thing because those f2p games make an absolute dickton of money.
Us on this board might not think highly of making 20 cents every fifteen minutes, but there are a TON of people who would jump at the opportunity to find any sort of extra income they can make just from browsing the internet.

And as demonstrated by twitch, plebbit, etc. there are lots of people in the world who will happily contribute to content creators. Brave/BAT will shift money making from clickbait sites/YT videos to those with actual, enjoyable content, and the internet will be a better place for it.

>Us on this board might not think highly of making 20 cents every fifteen minutes, but there are a TON of people who would jump at the opportunity to find any sort of extra income they can make just from browsing
Ads are priced according to the potential purchasing power of the viewer. Any viewer who would would watch ads for literal pennies is worthless to an advertiser.

I agree, but just because someone wants to earn extra income, however small it is, doesn't make them poor or unwilling to spend money on things.
Brave isn't going to be selling ads for Ferrari, user.

This is why holo will win. Stable coin targeted at $1. We're gonna make it lads.

>just because someone wants to earn extra income, however small it is, doesn't make them poor
Statistically it does. Different ad platforms have different rates depending on what the purchasing power of the target is. The purchasing power of someone who would watch long ads for fractions of a cent is going to be.... modest.

>long ads for fractions of a cent
Have you actually seen this anywhere? I haven't looked into what exactly the rewards model would look like, but I sincerely doubt people will earn less than a cent for viewing an ad

I'll admit that the economics of it would be super fun and very complex. For instance, how does the value of the payout affect the potency of the ad? Very interesting.

That said, you would assume the price would tend towards the lowers bidder. There are people willing to watch long ads for crazy low amounts of money.

sir gay is balls deep up your ass

10/10 shit post

One day, probably in a decade from now, people will remember bitcoin fondly as the AOL of crypto. BAT will be integrated into the world's social fabric by then and will become the first true digital currency. Everything from now until then is just noise in an incredibly noisy industry.

>Any viewer who would would watch ads for literal pennies is worthless to an advertiser

Imagine how much someone who watches ads >for free is worth then.

This is actually the wrong way of looking at ad targeting. Information about where you are located is stored locally, on your Brave browser. Brave Ads aren't going to "target people who look at Ads for pennies," you're misinterpreting how ad targeting works. Brave Ads for third world countries aren't even going to be rolled out until later.

Brave will use the information stored locally, on your browser, to target users. If you're an American in Missouri that is looking at hunting websites, the ads will change accordingly. So if you're an advertiser that is trying to target a certain userbase, you'll still be able to do that with Brave, it's just that Brave isn't collecting people's private/personal information and tracking them throughout their browsing.

Brendan confirmed 6 million MAU for Brave.

People in India and Brazil and whatever shithole Jow Forums is mostly from will eventually get their own advertisers who want to target their specific demographic. Indian companies want to target pajeets, Brazilian companies want Hues, etc. etc.

Did you really think Advertisers are throwing money at online advertising and saying "Hope a bunch of Pajeets don't click my Ad lol!" ? "Hope we get some White Men ages 20-25 this time!"

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I bought BAT just to support the project. I have no plans on selling it/using the token for its intended purpose anytime soon but I really hope this browser sees success.

Gold. Saved. Capped.

So brave and bat become popular. Advertisers are businesspeople too, what's to stop them speculating on BAT by hoarding thereby ensuring longer, cheaper ad campaigns.

>Imagine how much someone who watches ads >for free is worth then.
Idiot

Brace is injecting ads into headers now... Abandon ship

>BAT go up in price not good

Jesus Christ, the stupidity on this board is palpable.

Literally every e v e r y single person in the BAT ecosystem benefits from the price going up. If the price went up 100x in a day, there isn't a single person owning BAT that wouldn't benefit.

> BAT is divisible into 18 decimal points, which means you can have a fraction of 1 BAT sent.
> In the long term, Brave plan to add additional tipping amounts to Brave Rewards which are less than 1 BAT

People will not need to hold onto 1 BAT because they can tip .01 BAT, or .001 BAT, or 10 BAT etc. etc.

BAT Mooning would never be a negative thing. Cryptocurrency allows for that.

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Yeah you really rebutted all my points. In case you didn't realize, I'm making fun of you with that point. You clearly have no conceptual understanding of online advertising targeting.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Advertisers will always pay in FIAT for brave advertising. What are they hoarding?

Brendan Eich
Update to say this is not a "backdoor" in any event, and custom headers are allowed per tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.

Lots of confusion today about network requests or (in this case) custom but user-id-free headers vs. "tracking". A script load exception list (we will try to get rid of it; new thinking is defer until user clicks on FBConnect widget) we hardcode should be overridable and really should go away, but we are practical about not defaulting to a browser that doesn't work on too many sites to have adoption. That's on my twitter today.

This post is about custom HTTP headers we send to partners, with fixed header values. We could have just hacked the user-agent: header but chose custom instead. There is no tracking hazard here.

In both cases, third party tracking requires some kind of persistent-in-the-client identifier, or else fingerprinting. We block 3rd party cookies and storage, also 3rd party fingerprinting. We block (dual-key, actually -- same as Safari) HSTS supercookies (HSTS added 1 bit per domain of client-persistent state, so 32 junk domains enables the Criteos of the world to make a per-user 32-bit identifier).

As a user, I find it important to understand the diffs between requests and tracking before choosing a tracking protection solution. At first (in the '90s), I didn't grok the implications of 3rd party cookies, images, and scripts -- neither did pmarca or montulli, lol. Those genies are long out of their bottles.

Also I find it silly to assume we will "heel turn" so obviously and track our users. C'mon! We defined our model so we can't cheat without losing lead users who would see through it. That requires seeing clearly things like the difference between tracking and script blocking or custom header sending, though.

twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1094766068554379265

>This board needs me

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Your points are fucking stupid. You don't understand the basic thing that you're making such smug statements about. You are not worth engaging with on a genuine level.

>Some rough product analogies (it goes without saying that BAT is different from Google products in that it's client-side, privacy-respecting, and shares revenue with the user, etc.):

BAT Ads = Google Adwords
BAT SDK = Google AdMob
BAT Publishers = Google AdSense

But imagine in order to fly a campaign in AdWords, you had to purchase AdWords tokens. In our case, this would be BAT tokens

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stop being a poor piece of shit and use the money you clearly don't have to buy some.

faggot.

Can someone smart just explain to a brainlet whether BAT will moon or crash? Seems there are conflicting views here.

Gee, I don't know, investing in a project headed by one of the greatest minds in tech with a proven track record of success, would that pay off?

What do you think??

Then why has it been sinking user?

It's pretty bluechip if you ask me
Not BTC or ETH level bluechip but more of a safe bet then say LINK

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Most things are sinking

BAT COIN CASH

yep id use brave.

seems to have embedded ad and privacy not just bolt on.

So on that basis they actually have a product that millions of people are using.

6m Monthly active users
10m+ downloads
>80,000 token holders
Buy it, the majority of the userbase hasnt even bought BAT, in all likelyhood they just use it because its the best modern day browser.
>30% faster than Chrome
>blocks ads automatically
>a bunch more privacy features

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no BAT bags but as a FUN holder I am thankful for brave. Maybe ill get BAT bags soon, didn't know the main guy created Firefox

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ouch

I probably should buy about now... Things are moving again... Now's a good time?

This.
Still nice on android because it's less bloated than chrome.

Every Brave ads user will have a Metamask wallet + KYC through Civic + Tokens to spend and convert. Everything they need to go use Funfair or dapps in general; barring FUN changes its KYC to Civic.

Absolutely this. Brendan has literally said "BAT is the big play" before.

It's going to look obvious in hindsight, and BAT will be touted as "the Google of the 2017 crypto bubble"

The moment I realized Brave (and then BAT) was going to hit mainstream adoption is when I was talking to a 50+ year old woman and mentioned Brave and she said "Oh yeah, Brave, I use that on my phone!"

I can't believe the number of projects shilled on here every day with no clear path to mainstream adoption that people are dumping their money into.

Brave is a legit Silicon Valley startup with actual funding outside the ICO and people who know what the fuck they're doing.

Brendan Eich has already:
1. created a protocol that became an internet standard
2. dethroned the big-tech-backed #1 browser when everyone thought it wasn't possible

BAT is one of maybe 5 crypto-related projects worth investing in right now.

This user gets it. Screenshotted for posterity.

do they have it for Linux

Yes

brave-browser.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installing-brave.html#linux