Welcome to the Earth To Mars General. (previously Mars Independent General) This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play. This is real. This is going to happen. We need you to consider the choice.
The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and Elon Musk has made it clear that commercial emigration will come in to play only a few years later. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who sell their properties on Earth for the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. lets face it - a majority european colony on mars is the only way to truly secure our future. >Plan: /etm/ is a new general and a work in progress. feel free to contribute ideas. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.
/etm/ >inb4 space is fake kys >inb4 muh economics kys >inb4 STOP LARPING the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire each other on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples. ./The general will be posted a few times a week or a few times a day.
>Remember why we fight. This is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.
>also, I've changed the name of the general from /mig/ to /etm/. I need to update the general a fair bit, but i've been busy lately - as always, the general continues to be a place on Jow Forums to talk about Mars and other space related topics.
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Ian Howard
>Challenges of Colonizing Mars! youtube.com/watch?v=EcFsOF-ULL8 >Isaac Arthur - "Outward Bound - Colonising Mars" youtube.com/watch?v=kmFOBoy2MZ8&; >Isaac Arthur - Mars: From science fiction, to science fact youtube.com/watch?v=S0dqd72ALkQ&; >for anyone who wants a quick profile on Mars Equatorial Diameter: 6,792 km Polar Diameter: 6,752 km Mass: 6.42 x 10^23 kg (10.7% Earth) Moons: 2 (Phobos & Deimos) Orbit Distance: 227,943,824 km (1.52 AU) Orbit Period: 687 days (1.9 years) Surface Temperature: -153 to 20 °C First Record: 2nd millennium BC Recorded By: Egyptian astronomers
>There are signs of liquid water on Mars. For years Mars has been known to have water in the form of ice. The first signs of trickling water are dark stripes or stains on crater wall and cliffs seen in satellite images. Due to Mars’ atmosphere this water would have to be salty to prevent it from freezing or vaporizing.
Asher Ross
a few interesting words in regards to business opportunities on Mars >Water Purification/Production Besides oxygen, of course, the only thing that will be more important on Mars than food will be clean drinking water. Scientists believe that there is water on Mars; however, they are not sure if it’s drinkable. Consequently, if there is water on Mars, someone will need to purify and make it suitable for consumption. If there is no water on Mars, then some really smart people will figure out a cost-effective way to produce H2O from hydrogen and oxygen. Either way, water will be big business on Mars. >Hospitality and Entertainment Nobody likes to eat or stay at home all the time, so there will be a need for entertainment, virtual reality centers, hotels, and restaurants of all kinds. If tourism to Mars ever becomes popular (and I think it will,) the need for hospitality and entertainment providers will be huge. As with all other things on Mars, eating out or taking a vacation will probably be expensive. Therefore, for those savvy chefs, hoteliers, and producers that get in on the ground floor, there will absolutely be plenty of money to be made in these industries. >Construction/Infrastructure Depending on the environmental concerns and requirements settlers face when they arrive on Mars, it’s hard to tell how construction and infrastructure will need to be approached. One this is certain, though, and that is people will need places to live and work as well as other necessities such as bridges, walkways, and streets (or something similar to streets.)
In the beginning, governments or authorities may handle initial construction projects. Still, I don’t think it will be long thereafter that the private sector will be doing most of the building. Building homes, condos and whatever else on Mars will be expensive and possibly dangerous. Therefore, expect contractors — big and small — to earn good livings in this field.
>another cut from a different article there are many potential near-term business opportunities connected with human missions to Mars with significant potential markets for the associated technologies and capabilities required for creating a sustainable human presence on the surface of Mars. These include innovations in life support, agriculture, radiation shielding, energy, on-site resource utilization (aka living off the land), filtration, and many other necessary technologies and capabilities. Many of these technologies would not require the massive level of investment for development that large mission elements like heavy-lift rockets, crew vehicles, propulsion, and habitats require. With the proper stimulus and the necessary entrepreneurial innovators, these technologies could be developed in a competitive manner, and they also likely will have application to improving life on Earth and therefore also have a significant market on Earth—thus making them particularly attractive to entrepreneurs, small businesses, and others.
>more Whether humans reach Mars through a government effort, a commercial model, or a combination of the two, there are remarkable opportunities that will accompany that journey. These opportunities are not only for discovery but also for innovators, entrepreneurs, and others to create new or better products that contribute to the sustainability of humans on Mars and also benefit people on the planet Earth.
Jace Rodriguez
>more While cosmonauts and astronauts are learning valuable spacefaring skills on the International Space Station — and the U.S. is using virtual reality to train scientists — the majority of work to prepare for interplanetary expeditions is being done on Earth...and where best to field-test equipment and people for the journey to Mars but on some of the planet's most forbidding spots. Seen from space, the Dhofar Desert is a flat, brown expanse. Few animals or plants survive in the desert expanses of the Arabian Peninsula, where temperatures can top 125 degrees Fahrenheit, or 51 degrees Celsius. On the eastern edge of a seemingly endless dune is the Oman Mars Base: a giant 2.4-ton inflated habitat surrounded by shipping containers turned into labs and crew quarters. There are no airlocks. The desert's surface resembles Mars so much, it's hard to tell the difference, the types of geomorphology, all the structures, the salt domes, the riverbeds, the wadis, it parallels a lot of what we see on Mars.
Scientists from across the world sent ideas for experiments such as testing a new spacesuit called Aouda, the cutting-edge spacesuit, weighing about 50 kilograms (110 pounds), is called a "personal spaceship" because one can breathe, eat and do hard science inside it. The suit's visor displays maps, communications and sensor data. A blue piece of foam in front of the chin can be used to wipe your nose and mouth. >Something to consider, for your or your children's future there will be a huge demand for engineers, medical experts, management "officers" and any sort of cross between those and other fields. So people with that kind of background could secure themselves a bright future on Mars.
Christian Foster
>interesting read French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer. The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation. Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."
Pretty cringe LARP, you need to sop binge watching Star Trek and get yourself a job or a girlfriend, bud
Jackson Brooks
I know of a few million hard working families in search of a new home.
Jace Bell
The red dunes call to me...
Luis Hughes
It will be pretty hilarious seeing Mars colonised in a true meritocracy
Nolan Taylor
I refuse to live under a plastic dome. Total Recall had nice caverns, the only place where I'd feel protected against radiation. Remember, Mars has no magnetic field. Standing on the surface means high cancer risk. Nah. It will take another generation before the infrastructure is in place for comfy living. I don't want to be a (((pioneer)))
Bentley Thomas
it's gonna take a few years to dig out a nice subterranean structure but once those new places are built its going to be well worth already living there, or having a family who will get to see the fruits of mans labour
Enjoy bone and muscle atrophy and physically deformed kids, courtesy of the low gravity.
t. Astrophysicist
Aiden Scott
>bone and muscle atrophy ive read that routine weight lifting should combat those effects >physically deformed kids there are no actual confirmed complications of birth or fetus growth from lower gravity... its going to be interesting to see what the future holds in regards to birth on Mars though
Lucas Cooper
>no confirmed reports No shit because it was never done. Here on earth, our bones grow and strengthen to combat the stress of gravity. If you lessen that stress, developing bones won't be as strong as they would be on earth. And because humans evolved here on earth and not on mars we are not suited to be raised anywhere else.
Blake Rodriguez
i'm pretty sure they've done some experiments with bacteria and plants(which they grow) on ISS. I'm not aware of them doing experiments with mice, but i'm sure i heard somewhere they were bringing them to ISS.
Lincoln Rivera
yeah Im sure the first steps would be breeding small mammals and then studying how they develop
Isaiah Torres
searched a bit youtube.com/watch?v=9MfWARdoF-o apparently light has more influence on plant growth then gravity. Which could mean they would grow less on Mars. I'm more concerned about radiations then gravity. In forming human embryos, cell cilia have more influence then gravity, imo. And still even if cillia isn't working properly(like in Kartagener's syndrome, worst thing that happens to embryo is dextroposition of organs) Also bone formation in microgravity could be a problem. On mars, i don't think so.
Nolan Sanders
Cant even make a Jow Forumsony and you wish to make a Martian colony, fuck off sliding jew and sage
Duality is a sunofabitch . . . there used to be life on mars, and then they moved it to earth. Could even be that this cycle has been happening for millions of years.
its LARPY but not an actual LARP. read the OP >the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire each other on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. and thats what im doing
sometimes the thread gets loads of attention... but recently there have been a lot more bait threads on Jow Forums and all the newfags congregate in them instead of ignoring and finding something better to post in
I think it would be preferable to introduce a breathable atmosphere to the planet. Wasn't it theorized that we might do that by lobbing a few nukes at the thing? There must be some way.
Oliver Ramirez
We live on Mars now. This ain't the real Earth! All the life is surface deep. This place was terraformed.
>Spacefags are fucking insufferable I say let them try, there is a chance they might get it right and then there is 99% chance of a trillion dollar fuck up.
Wyatt Robinson
>Mars has no magnetic field. actually...it have one, its just too weak.
Isaiah Nelson
Colonizing another planet would mean that human species will never get extinct.
Dude, we're trying really hard not to fuck up earth with CO2, and we're still doing it. Imagine if our purpose was to pump as much CO2 as we can. I guess increasing pressure would be the easy part. Pumping 20% of atmosphere with oxygen would be harder.
Wyatt Harris
What's the mineral composition like on mars? Can it support a mining industry? Otherwise it's a waste.
Christian Clark
You space niggers are fucking retarded.
Carter James
Wouldn't Venus be more suitable for our needs than Mars once we get a base safely underground? Gravity is almost Earth like which is the most important point. The weather is a real problem tho and might make supply runs from earth turn out rather difficult and expensive.
Adrian Fisher
You need to make the doorways in your little bubbles twice the size of a normal human. Because after a few generations of living on mars people will be 2 feet taller. So you need to prepare for that before you start settling down.
Liam Moore
what? >lobbing a few nukes at the thing? yeah... nuking the polar caps and putting loads of c02 into the atmosphere would be the fast way of changing the atmosphere.
Dylan Morgan
Beds need to be bigger. Doorways need to be bigger. Stairs can be bigger. Everything will need to get bigger.
>once we get a base safely underground? On Venus ? The surface is way too hot
Cameron Williams
I'd be more worried about micro-meteorites turning my space dome into swiss cheese.
Matthew Ramirez
Oh my god! We never thought of that
Josiah Stewart
its never happening. elon doesnt have a proper habitat for people thought up he just wasted a shit ton on making rockets
american cant even pup people into space any more. we got another branch of the military that cant do anything but we are paying for it. nasa pays russia to put people into space. has for years
>The secret space programs already have bases on mars and other planets. >Do you think the loosh farmers will just easily let humans leave earth? >we are physically unable to explore space until we eliminate the suppressors of our evolution and technology. >Why not start with Antarctica? Its way closer yet hardly anyone knows whats happening down there. >these threads are just pipe dreams
Charles Kelly
It'd be a lot simpler to do Venus. Just park a giant solar shade at a Lagrange point and cool that sucker down. The gravity is a hell of a lot closer to Earth's: 8.9m/s^2 compared to Mars' 3.7 m/s^2. So it'd probably be a lot healthier to live on. There's already a dense atmosphere, made up almost completely of carbon dioxide. Clouds of sulfuric acid could provide the hydrogen for water. The air is so dense there are four times as much nitrogen as on Earth (Which i like 80% of Earth atmosphere). So the trouble would be capturing nitrogen and converting carbon dioxide into oxygen - much easier (in my completely uninformed opinion) than introducing an entire fucking planets' worth of atmosphere. Alternatively, since the atmosphere is 92 times as dense as that of Earth, cloud cities in the more habitable upper regions might be more practical. Cloud cities. There's a lack of free hydrogen, but again, sulfuric acid - H2SO4, so there's hydrogen on surface, too.
The biggest problem with long-term habitation would be the lack of a magnetic field. Compared to Mars' super-fuggin-weak mag field, it's not much more of a hurdle.
Charles Sanchez
Space IS FAKE IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR SPACE-LARP, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 'A MARS' YOU ARE FUCKING CRAZY IF YOU THINK THERE IS A BIG BALL OF SAND TO GO TO MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY FROM HERE FLOATING IN A GIANT INK BLACK VOID
Easton Collins
NO. SPACE IS NOT REAL THERE IS NO GIANT BALL OF SAND & DUST IN THE SKY TO GO TO
HAVE YOU EVER EVEN SEEN THIS GIANT SAND BALL IN THE SKY YOU CALL 'A MARS'??? YOU ARE FUCKING CRAZY IF YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST DO A BIG JUMP THERE AND LIVE COMFORTABLY, IF IT EVEN DID EXIST!!
Alexander Reed
EVEN IF IT DID EXIST AND YOU COULD DO A BIG JUMP UP TO IT, YOU WOULD BREAK YOUR LEGS WHEN YOU HIT IT YOU WILL NEVER LIVE ON A GIANT SAND & DUST BALL FLOATING OUT THERE
Nicholas Hernandez
W-where do I sign? I'd love to be one of the colonists of Mars.
>tfw born too late for America's colonisation >tfw born too soon for Mars' colonisation
> And because humans evolved here on earth and not on mars we are not suited to be raised anywhere else.
THIS
i was a "lets terraform every planets and live on them " until i realised the impact of low gravity over years on the human body.
Ayden Peterson
Laddie you're such an irregular poster, either that or it's just that you only post in amerifag timezones.
Mind if I steal your general for eurofag times?
Also, topic of the day: Near Earth Asteroid Mining as an option if they try to block "nazi fascists" from going to Mars?
Jose Ross
I post once a week, saturday at 10pm uk time. >Mind if I steal your general for eurofag times?
on two conditions, 1. don't change too much. I monitor the threads from the archive to see if they're being manipulated in any way... I don't want anyone to completely hijack the general. 2. don't post it on a weekly basis like I do. I don't want it to get boring for people who browse Jow Forums all the time (hence why I myself only post it once a week.) if you want, you make a thread yourself once every few weeks
I mean the posters at 10 PM and 2 PM (4 PM my time) are fairly different, but I understand what you mean.
Despite this I think you might be underappreciating the value of an oft posted general.
Even so though, I think considering no one is posting this sorta general on their own shows a lack of interest, so I guess I understand your once a week posting schedule.
Still, I personally would like some discussion during hours I can attend.
Lots of stuff we could be discussing, I've been discussing them in private circles as well.
For one I think 3D printing will probably be an important tool for Mars self sufficiency - but this depends on how cheap we can get them.
Another is the (very long term prospect) of restoring Mars' magnetic field, which is actually feasible in a reasonable time scale using reasonable amounts of energy (think 50? nuclear reactors of 500 MW power like the ones we have in Romania at Cernavodă for 7 years is enough to melt all the iron needed if you made the belt it 3 meters thick), though this doesn't take into account the energy to kickstart the planet itself.
Then there's the whole to orbit and back thing - obviously we can land with parachutes, but for taking off we'd probably best have a magnetic coil accelerator on Mons Olympus.
On the topic of Mons Olympus, any reasons why it wouldn't be the ideal spot? Low pressure, slightly higher gravity, very high up, and a former volcano. All in all should be good for launching spaceships and for mineral exploitation, right?
Aaron Thomas
for inevitable colonization
Cooper Roberts
>Lots of stuff we could be discussing I haven't changed the OP in a while, so I could include some new stuff that might get people interested... whether its Mars related or just space news in general >Still, I personally would like some discussion during hours I can attend. yeah... I sometimes post on Thursday at 7pm... but saturdays is the main time. >All in all should be good for launching spaceships I never thought of that. NASA have probably thought that through... I'm sure they have a rough idea of where they want the first colony to be but I think i've seen somewhere the first ships will actually do one more quick survey of the planet before picking a place to settle down. and yeah 3d printing is going to be massively important for expanding into space, not just mars... check out the last video in OP Companies Developing Game Changing Technologies
Adrian White
GEORGE, STOP LARPING ABOUT GIANT SAND BALLS IN THE SKY AND GET A GODDAMNED JOB, GEORGE STOP TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL SAND BALLS IN THE SKY GET A FUCKING JOB!!
Tyler Garcia
>3 Companies Developing Game Changing Technologies
