Why i'm libertarian

I hate conservatives and Liberals because they won't let me be me. If i'm not hurting anyone, and i'm minding my own business, I should be able to do what I want. And while I prefer Conservatives over Liberals, it seems like both of them limit what I can do in one way or another.
>The left hates me for being straight
>The right hates me for not being white
>The left hates me because I'm a Man
>The Right hates me because I smoke weed
>The Left hates me because I'm pro-gun
>The Right hates me because i'm pro choice.
What is Jow Forums's opinion on Libertarians?

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I dislike the hedgehog mascot, its a mockery having a smelly faggy useless rodent as the symbol of your political party, but I guess it fits the modern lolbertarian party well.

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Degenerates

I like the constitution party in theory, but their ground game is pretty weak.

Naive, first to get steamrolled, and ineffective in just about all aspects. Not pragmatic, but the optimum system to live in if it were possible.

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>What is Jow Forums's opinion on Libertarians?
First step on your road towards natsoc - so I guess it's a hatching phase which is frowned upon when you are going through it, but it is accepted as necessary part of the evolution.

This. Libertarians and Ancaps are pure degenerates that just want to be able to do whatever the fuck they want.

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Also this

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But then again he’s a shitskin and part of the epic GANG WEED

To me, libertarianism is the final redpill. It would end up elevating Jow Forumsacks to an elite-tier and it would be the final step for Jow Forums to take over, but Jow Forumsakcs are too busy sucking Adolf's dick over "muh white race". I know statistically black people/latinos are more prominent to crime, but it's just because they are uneducated, and OP, you know it. I know a lot of black people and those who have over the mandatory education even consider themselves like if they were from Spain and from Europe, and they are civic and lawful, while other white people that dropped off school are unlawful and fucking criminals that shouldn't have children.

But, for Jow Forums, you are just a filthy nigger. To me, you are my ally, and I hope you prosper and don't turn into a Jow Forums failure nigger, instead into a successful non-white entrepreneur/professional. Good luck in your life!

What do you even DO in this situation?

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>libertarian
reminder that gay marriage was legalized by the supreme court

>The Right hates me because I smoke weed
Not a major issue on the right one way, or the other.
>The right hates me for not being white
More of a NATSOC issue, which is a third positional faction
>The Right hates me because i'm pro choice.
Pro-choice... Yeah, you're a cunt.

As to the question, I'm fine with libertarians. I'd vote libertarian if the party wasn't such a dumpster fire which just swings left, or right based on who's in power at the time.

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Disdainful. Your ideas are stupid and selective. Allow me to explain why.

First, your ideas revolve around a set of a-priori assumptions that are actually not rational in and of themselves. Property rights, for example, are not a natural right. I've never heard concrete argument for why they are in the same way that, say, the right to keep and bear arms is.

The right to keep and bear arms is something any person can do in nature, and it's something that it would require force to PREVENT you from doing on the part of the State.

But property rights are contingent upon State enforcement. Property rights--I do not draw the idiotic Marxist distinction between personal and private--are artificial. In nature you have what you can hold, and if someone takes something from you, it's theirs now.

In a way, your ideology is really one stripped presupposition away from Left-Anarchy. This is not a viable ideology and everyone senses that on some level, which is why virtually nobody is a libertarian.

All things exist beneath the State. Your "rights" are guaranteed by the State, that is why you have them. People are not "free" in Somalia where warlords rule them, they are more free in Switzerland where you can go to jail for having an ugly lawn. Moreover Freedom, in the Aristotolean sense of the word, doesn't mean that you have the right to "be you," the only Freedom that matters is the Freedom to be Good. Smoking dope and murdering children isn't Good. Why should you be free to murder children, but not be free to rape them? This isn't false equivalence either, abortion IS just child-murder.

Freedom to be Good requires an organic, structured society where property rights are protected, but also where morality is encouraged, righteousness is rewarded, wickedness is punished and unethical behaviors are not tolerated. Fascism is the answer.

hitler was a libertarian at heart. he only cared about getting the foreign elements out of his country, he wasn't concerning himself with the day to day hows of running a country.

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No fucking shit sherlock, by the way libertarianism will eventually grow up society as human scum would be completely divided between the higher class and the worthless class. You socialist morons, keeping poor people with free money instead of free education for them to prosper instead of keeping them alive in the ghettos. Just let the low IQ die and the higher IQ be professionals regardless of their money/skin color.

>free education
>implying everyone is equally capable of learning

To quote a Jow Forumsack, "The problem with libertarians is that they do nothing to stop the people who make libertarianism impossible."

>You socialist morons, keeping poor people with free money instead of free education for them to prosper instead of keeping them alive in the ghettos.

try english

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That's a cucked form of libertarianism then.

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Hitler, yeah, libertarian. Bollocks. He was a totalitarian, which basically is the opposite of a libertarian. Don't try to "redpill me" into a poor tier state dependant ideology with your white nationalist bullshit. Even Mensa has black people and they are upon the most intelligent people on earth.

>Shitsken being mad that he’s a shitskin and that his animal kind will never amount to anything and neither will he

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Second, the Libertarian consistently advocates for ideas that are in practical terms detrimental to liberty.

The idea, for example, of free movement of peoples. The Libertarian idea is that if people are allowed to move freely over borders and between countries, economic output would be optimized and people are more free. This is true. Gone unexamined, however, is the obvious fact that the people who immigrate are overwhelmingly in favor of Socialist, anti-libertarian ideas.

Now the Libertarian will repeat over and over, "I have more in common with a Mexican libertarian than I do with a [my race] Statist," and that may well be true, but Mexicans have no concept of libertarianism culturally, and they aren't learning just by setting foot on American soil. California has slid rapidly into literal Communism as its Mexican population increases.

Now, you will say, "but if we removed the welfare and the nanny state nonsense, then the bad immigrants wouldn't come!" yet you ignore the fact that we live in a Democracy. The immigrants will simply VOTE for more welfare and nanny state nonsense. They've already done it, look at California. Look at the trajectory Texas is on.

Libertarianism has to ignore reality in order to stick to its principles. You are voting for a position which will destroy everything you want and create everything you hate, because you're autistic. And don't give me this "well I support border control" bullshit, because most Libertarians don't. In fact their leadership in every election have been fervently opposed to border control. So your individual opinion doesn't matter, the plurality of Libertarians are de-facto voting for Socialism in twenty years.

>pro choice
>libertarian
Someone doesn’t know what the intitation of the use of force is. Embarrassing!

>blacks
>people
>any sort of intelligence

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There are a lot of working class people who could use scolarships to get off the ground, and I know this for a fact. People descending from high IQ but poor families don't have access for higher education, while some mutts whose daddy is a rich and powerful high IQ bussinessman is married to a low IQ good looking female have access and fail university (when it's easy to me, in my view, and each year it's getting easier). You got me? If you really loved the white race you'd know there are a lot of poor white people who can't get to the highest tiers of society, and a libertarian society should only focus on getting the best of the best, and that comes from giving everyone an opportunity. The only socialist thing I'd like in a libertarian society, equality of opportunity even for the poor.

what the fuck I wasn't even paying attention, what a WOMP WOMP I did right there...
I meant: keeping poor people alive with welfare money instead of giving them scholarships to get them off the ghettos.

Finally, Libertarianism has gradually become a left-wing ideology. The Libertarian has no concept of "winning" his ideological struggle. He accepts into his ranks all manner of freaks, degenerates and drug addicts who in an actual free-market society would never be tolerated. If we had total freedom of markets and employment, and restrictive covenants governing small communities, transexuals, faggots, drug addicts etc. would absolutely be excluded from 95% of them. Yet Libertarian ranks are filled with faggots, trannies and degenerates.

This is why Libertarians can never actually say what they really mean. It's why Hoppe is banned from Libertarian meetings. Libertarianism was infiltrated years ago by the Left, and now has protected classes and protected groups that run totally contrary to the actual spirit of liberty.

Incidentally this also applies to Race. You have Libertarian meetings which feverishly promote their one or two token black speakers, but the entire crowd is always white. ONLY whites care about Liberty en-masse. You are so desperate to prove that you're not racist that, in fact, you have become incredibly racist. You try to present a multicultural diverse face when your constituency is the exact opposite. You're basically just liberalism with tax cuts. Why is this desirable? How does this result in actual liberty?

It isn't and it doesn't. Libertarianism is a dead movement. Everyone sane in your group is basically one reading of Culture of Critique away from turning into Alex McNabb. You've got no future and you really only have yourselves to thank for it. I was like you once, but unlike you, I want to fucking win. A homogenous white nation might have some chance, someday, of reaching the ideals of personal freedom that we all want, but we won't get there if we put our faith in you. You are objectively acting contrary to the future of liberty.

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We could easily afford to house people, feed them and send them to school if we didn't have millions of non-whites depressing the system. You don't sound like a libertarian at all.

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And remember: the difference between white and black dicks are also insignificant.

Please die is all I have to say

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I've known some intelligent black people, and as they are rare, they exist. They have some kind of handicap but just like how whites have a handicap when it comes to being cucked, you just have to overcome it and some black people do. Most of them do not, nonetheless.

Adolf Hitler once wrote that he was a Libertarian at Heart, and I understand precisely what he meant. He did not mean that he wanted to abolish the government and bring about some stateless society where the only rule of law was contract and agreement.

What he meant was that personal liberty is the luxury of a developed society with a high degree of trust and a low degree of corruption. Personal liberty is something that is only afforded to a very small percentage of the human population today (as it was in 1926) because most of our societies are full of racially inferior orcs who aren't capable of even conceiving the idea of a libertarian society. The average IQ necessary to sustain a democracy is 90. A Democracy isn't even a libertarian society and most of the human population can't sustain one of those.

Hitler wanted to create an environment in which liberty could be constructed rationally by the majority of the population. This isn't something that happens on its own. It requires security, an educated population, a high IQ population, a position that cannot be attacked by international finance (which in a way is a State of its own) or by foreign powers. National Socialism was his means of achieving that end. Libertarians, much like the most naive of Communists who think that if they go to Detroit and start a sustainable agricultural project in the suburbs they will change the world, seek to build the house before the foundations are laid.

George Lincoln Rockwell was the only American in the 20th century who took seriously the ideas of liberty and of establishing the future of liberty. In the same way that a scaffolding is ugly but necessary for the construction of a beautiful house, National Socialism is necessary for the construction of a truly free state. Rotten timbers and rusty nails are not useful in the construction of a building and so they must be excluded or the house will collapse upon construction.

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Did I say anything about that? I know there's a lot of non-whites who are state dependant but even if we kicked them all we wouldn't have the chance to house, feed and send every single white children to schools right now. At least, that's how it would work in Spain, I don't know about the U.S. but maybe there it would be completely viable.

>Now, you will say, "but if we removed the welfare and the nanny state nonsense, then the bad immigrants wouldn't come!" yet you ignore the fact that we live in a Democracy. The immigrants will simply VOTE for more welfare and nanny state nonsense. They've already done it, look at California. Look at the trajectory Texas is on.
>. I was like you once, but unlike you, I want to fucking win. A homogenous white nation might have some chance, someday, of reaching the ideals of personal freedom that we all want, but we won't get there if we put our faith in you. You are objectively acting contrary to the future of liberty.
reddit space hypocrisy doesnt get any better than these two quotes. the state is the trajectory you wanted to avoid retard

>I know there's a lot of non-whites who are state dependant but even if we kicked them all we wouldn't have the chance to house, feed and send every single white children to schools right now
>right now

No, of course not, you couldn't implement this system overnight. The first step would be to remove the non-white element of the population, or AT BARE MINIMUM disallow them to collect benefits/welfare. If your personal goal is to provide a stable life and education for white Spanish children, I certainly think Libertarianism is not going to be what accomplishes your goal, it will be Spanish National Socialism, Francoism, whatever.

and what did the sons of hitlers army do?
they used the STATE to make all holocaust denial punishable by prison
the ancap nazi has no fear of this because his son has no mechanism to abuse

> Being a Cuckservative
> Being a Leftycuck
> Being a lolsperg
I'm a Fascist you faggot
Also daily reminder that we have to hijack the GOP and turn it into a WN movement.

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So when you say, "the right hates me because I smoke weed," etc etc, you're not really describing the full picture. I do not hate you because you smoke weed. I hate you because you claim to want the same things that I want, yet you act in a way that diligently, deliberately, and unarguably achieves the exact opposite. You focus on short-term gains in trivial liberties while fighting tooth and nail for the Enemy to achieve their ends. The multicultural multiracial society that will result from the joint actions of you and the Left will have no concept whatsoever of liberty and will more resemble Brazil than modern America.

I cannot even say that you're principled, because you aren't. Principle is about sacrifice for a purpose. Instead you refuse to make sacrifices and demand that we transition instantly into a minarchy, all the while furiously defending foreign invaders who would gladly vote for communist leadership if it meant keeping their EBT cards. You're an idiot. Your entire ideology is stupid and counterproductive, which is unsurprising given that its recent gurus have all been Jewish.

What's fortunate here is that you're also losing. We have something to offer the public that isn't a slow grinding war of attrition that we're destined to lose. We offer the public a future that isn't a favela outside of every gated community. We are the future, and the American public overwhelmingly supports many of our basic policies--just look at their attitudes towards immigration. When you explain to white people just how severe the demographic crisis is, they shift and become more right wing. Our numbers swell with every passing day while yours shrink.

You have nothing to offer the public except dilation stations, more Mexicans, and male strippers. Your ideological subversion by the Jew is complete. That is why nobody is talking about Libertarians, and everyone is talking about the new American Nazi. All we need is another Commander Rockwell.

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And pirates/outlaws are degenerates who do what we want and DGAF.

Fuck moralfaggots, commies, and politics.

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I used to be libertarian and the party got fifth columned by the FBI. Seriously, the Ron Paul movement was the end and then it just got worse from there.

Also, I don't care about society. Eventually, billions of years from now when the universe collapses back into a singularity, all of this shit right now? It'll be as though it never even happened.

So I just cannot be bothered to give a flying shit about YOU, society, or anything other than my own goddamn self.
Got a problem with that? Oh well. You'll live. Maybe.

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I have respect for Anarcho-Capitalists insofar as your breed is at least more pragmatic, particularly HHH, but you're not thinking rationally. You are not going to magically erase the State. If your definition of defeat is the continued existence of the State for even one second, than you've chosen defeat at the outset.

You should instead consider what efforts can be taken to maximize the long-term survival of liberty, and hopefully its final triumph over tyranny. The way to do this certainly isn't what libertarians do. The process must be gradual. The process must involve the creation of homogeneous white countries. Most importantly, as you yourself point out, the process must not end in defeat, or else the JEW will impose left-wing authoritarian laws.

And make no mistake, that is what happened to Germany. "the sons of Hitler's Army" didn't do shit, Jews and the United States and Britain did it. We still militarily occupy Germany. The United States, however, is not Germany. We have a chance to succeed, and if we do, nobody will have the power to bring us down. China wouldn't even waste calories trying, they don't care.

National Socialism's end goal is a society in which people can go about their business with minimal state interference because nobody would even consider committing an evil or corrupt act. A society in which the police run out of things to do because the people are wholesome, moral, and self-guided. A society in which corporations have a conscience, and redistribution of wealth is unnecessary because everyone has it, or understands that if they lack it, it is because they have prioritized free time and sloth over hard work.

I want the same thing you want in the end, but I do not envision a smooth path between the two points. National Socialism and the defeat of the Jew is necessary for the continuation of the White Race's predisposition towards freedom.

>So I just cannot be bothered to give a flying shit about YOU

This is a strange attitude from a trivial political minority without a viable party. You talk as though I need to convince you of something. I don't. In fact the purpose of this spiel is merely to explain that you are unconvincing, and why.

Your edgy nihilism is cringeworthy. It isn't even tactical. You don't gain anything by expressing such idiotic views. It is a strange conceit of libertarians and anarchists to act as though they've already won when all evidence points to the exact opposite.

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Libertarians not only believe in the free trade of goods and services but also people and movement, ei open borders.

National Socialism is impossible in the modern world due to global energy and business needs.
The movement was a product of its time fueled by methamphetamine(WOO HOO!), and as time moved on it began to lose the ability to survive. This is the true reason the NSDAP perished. They couldn't exist in a world where people can fly faster than the sun moves across the sky. Where people can communicate instantly, globally. Just like feudalism can't exist in such a world. When technology makes your political strategy impossible, you have no hope.

For example, you're not good enough or adaptive enough to brainwash your people faster than your opponents can. And you're not willing to use underhanded dopamine triggers like food, sex, drugs, etc either, to give your side an edge. This is why you lose.

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You're just a pussy. Libertarians are cucks with no spine. Nat soc is the final redpill.

I don’t think ancap is impossible, but I think they all try too hard to suggest the erasure of the government overnight. If the dream would ever be realized, it would first have to deconstruct the currrent system by using the power of the government. I personally don’t think the dream can ever be truly realized, but I think at least some state of minarchism can be found, especially if the low IQ people were somehow dealt with. Preferably nonviolently.

It's not nihilism. I see great things for humanity, but I also realize it's going to be all for nothing in the end.
People, by and large, aren't worth that much trouble. Not yet anyway. The species needs to have another leap in evolution before its overall worthy of such laborious effort. That of course will first require a mass culling. And NO, your "party" isn't the one to carry out this culling. Nature is the only thing worthy of deciding who lives and dies. You guys will make mistakes. Nature does not make mistakes. Nature has happy accidents.

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Libertarian want to be able to do what they want within the confines of their property, which is not equal to "whatever they want". In order for me to be able to do whatever I want I would have to be able to do things beyond my material ability to make them happen, which would necessarily mean forcibly taking from someone else in order to finance my own desires.

>this is why you lose
But we're not losing. We've gained incredible ground in just a couple of years. ICE might as well have posted the 14 words last news cycle. The great cracking of the liberal consensus is upon us.

We aren't losing. This is what winning looks like, I'm not surprised you don't recognize it--how would a libertarian know what it means to win?

And this is when you become a pirate.
Lolbertarians use half measures. Never use half measures.

Wait...
You believe ICE and Trump are national socialist?

Really?

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>The idea, for example, of free movement of peoples. The Libertarian idea is that if people are allowed to move freely over borders and between countries, economic output would be optimized and people are more free. This is true. Gone unexamined, however, is the obvious fact that the people who immigrate are overwhelmingly in favor of Socialist, anti-libertarian ideas.

This criticism is wrong on two count:

1. Libertarian do not support the free movement of people since property right are an obvious limit to such movement.

2. Under the condition of government controlled territories -- i.e. the present situation -- there is no consistent libertarian position to take vis-a-vis the movement of people. The open border solution in this situation corresponds to forcible integration as those people or group of people who have to suffer the consequences of immigration have not necessarily consented to what has happened here. The modern state prohibits the kind of discrimination that would be necessary to make the situation a libertarian compliant one. Under libertarianism, complete freedom of association is maintained. You cannot be punished by a state for refusing to live or associate with people based on characteristic X.

3. Under condition of state and democracy, a libertarian should logically desire very strict border control. But this is for practical reasons, not because of libertarianism per se.

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I think that all still makes you a conservative, aside from supporting planned killers. Wtf.

Yeah. There have even been rare cases of children being born at 12 weeks, and living.

Hint: the left doesn't care that you're a straight man. Only some SJW boogeyman that barely even exists. The confusion comes from insecure white men who view any suggestion that privaledge exists, and that they may have benefited from it, as a personal attack.

Historically, the left (not liberals, but the actual left) have been HUGE advocates for gun ownership as well.

Don't worry user, at least it's not you.

Yes. Miscarriages are real too.
Life is a cunt. Usually.

>only comes from insecure white men
>white privilege unironically
Opinion discarded desu.

A view libertarians as elitist desu. They constantly shit on the left and right despite denouncing the left and right for doing the same to each other. They claim they are for liberty, but ignores freedom of religion, they try to combine socially liberal and economic conservative values which can't coexist, they shit on the 10th amendment, and the fact these guys like Thomas Jefferson, sickens me to death.

Jeffersonian Democracy is true libertarianism.

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>They claim they are for liberty, but ignores freedom of religion

What?

>Jeffersonian Democracy is true libertarianism.

What? No form of democracy is libertarianism.

>it's just because they are uneducated
>you know it
It's not JUST because they're uneducated and you know that.

>What?
They are for gay marriage even if the person of religious decent refuse and literally a lot of libertarians are fucking atheist.

>What? No form of democracy is libertarianism.
Didn't you read my list of Ideals? It clearly says Civic republicanism.

>They are for gay marriage even if the person of religious decent refuse and literally a lot of libertarians are fucking atheist.

Libertarian do not believe that the state should be involved in the business of marriage at all and therefore cannot be in favor of a particular kind of state marriage.

> It clearly says Civic republicanism.

These words don't appear in your post.

>These words don't appear in your post.
There is something called a Pic. Click on it.

Perfectly said.

>We’re winning
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on this website and I’ve seen some say that “Dicks aren’t inherently masculine or feminine.”

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What moral obligation does the NAP have, why should I not trample over you. Will the NAP God come and get me?

>why should I not trample over you
Not him, but I'd watch out for the landmines if I were you.

question, how does abortion not violate the NAP? I think you're a libertine. Not a libertarian.

The point is where does the NAP come from?
Humans have always lived in close nit societies where the stronger lead the rest.

That is up to the Walmart arbitration service

It comes from the Jews who hijacked libertarianism. It's a shitty failed attempt to sum up classical liberalism and morality. If you actually follow it you can't even punish your kids or stop your neighbour from being naked in front of them.

None of that is true. Stop basing your perceptions of the entire world based upon contrivances that you encounter online.

>speeds through your private property

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Really, it's just some stupid newspeak shit for the unspoken agreement between gentlemen.
Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you. Niggers have a similar saying they never follow: Don't start no shit won't be no shit.

Landmines are the best way to enforce the "NAP" though.

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>ignores freedom of religion
When the hell have Libertarians ever been against freedom of religion? We weren't the ones telling you to bake the damn cake!

See

>They are for gay marriage
Yes

>even if the person of religious descent refuse
Wrong. There are plenty of churches that already accept homosexuals, and people can also get married in a courthouse if they prefer. No one should be forced to do anything.

you're a libertarian because you want to talk about principles without ever discussing how to implement them
you want to criticize other politicians but you don't want to ever have to defend one

This is kinda close, they tend to be milquetoast people who are genuinely kind and hopeful. But they have no idea what they want, how to get it, and like the marxist do not factor in human nature to enough of a degree for theirnideology to be pragmatic.

We don't hate you because you are not white. Smoke weed, go for it. Most of the right has warmed up to pro-choice with limitations and restrictions. Its just most in the right don't believe its government's responsibility to pay for abortions unless it threatens the life of the mother.

The alt-right is about pro-rights. Freedom of Choice, Speech, and Expression. In order to protect those rights from the Mob (i.e. alt-left) has a cost which is to tolerate the ignorance of others. To be alt-right you have to tolerate the ignorant and misguided views of Antifa and Neo-Nazi assholes.

We dont promote violence but if anyone one from Antifa or Neo-Nazis physically assaults you then you have the absolute right to kick his/her ass up and down the street. We believe in the 2nd amendment because if the Mob does win, the people can defend themselves.

If this is true, then how does Spain exist? They are the last true Nazi form of government from the begining of WWII.

Libertarianism is too pure for this world.
The only way to have liberty is to have uncontested authority. The only way to have uncontested authority is to get rid of people who would destroy that authority. The only way to do that is to throw communists out of helicopters.

So the only way to be left alone is to have a liberty minded dictator.

But what about time preference?
You want a country with low time-preference (ie: willing to choose better things in the future over lesser things today) leaders. Thus the best way is to have a multigenerational leadership. (We aren't even broaching the heredity of positive traits, realities of assortative mating and the natural inequality which exists among men.)
Thus dictatorship is not enough, you need hereditary aristocracy, and hereditary monarchy. Because that way you're leaders are forced to think beyond themselves and to consider the government which posterity will inherit.

Read Democracy: The God that Failed if you haven't already.

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>not understanding National Socialism.
>Thinking National Socialism involves brainwashing rather than acculturation of men to higher modes of being through regenerate art and culture
>not knowing that NS is inherently designed to dignify man rather than merely control him.
Lurk more.