>National Socialism was Socialism
Is there an easier way to spot brainlets?
National Socialism was Socialism
Ian Robinson
Caleb Gutierrez
Hitler himself made the distinction between National Socialism and something like Marxist Socialism.
/thread
Angel Johnson
Did the government seize the means of production?
Indeed they did!
OH SNAP! THAT'S SOCIALISM !
John Baker
This is the distinction Uncle Adolf made:
>'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.
>Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.
Robert Ross
Except they didn't, they privatized a bunch....
William Hernandez
Blake Perez
Cooper Barnes
smaller companies were allowed to be private.
national utilities and exporters were controlled by the government.
fuck off cancer
Wyatt Long
Yea, the easiest way is toothpaste flags, of course!
Ian Anderson
yes, anarcho communists
Easton Hernandez
>en.wikipedia.org
A lot of privatization.
Henry Martin
I can hear the incoherent babbling typical of being BTFOed from here
Hunter Flores
His only true distinction once you parse the mess of ideas and thoughts thrown around in that quote, is that he wanted to mix the best components of individualism and collectivism.
Hunter Gray
>Did the government seize the means of production?
>He doesn't know the difference between state capitalism (government seizing the means of production) and the workers seizing the means of production
>He thinks government = workers
Brainlet.
Hudson Howard
All companies were to operate under the direction of the national socialist workers party under that of seizure, and those that didn't comply were seized.
It's more complicated than a right/left axis but the Nazis had far more in common with the USSR structurally than the United States. And they were definitely and explicitly inspired by socialism, which Hitler loved except for the lack of racial identity and nationalism which he added
Cameron Fisher
Basically an uncucked social democracy I guess?
Matthew Myers
>14% income tax
>goes towards social programs
>closes down private banks in favor of a national bank
>had direct control over the work force
>utilities were government owned (railroads, expansion of the autobahn, roads, public utilities)
Chase Cox
Spenglerian socialism is still socialism.
NatSoc is not marxist, but it is socialist.
Matthew Clark
I've always found fascism fascinating in that respect as a remix of you would of the great ideologies of the time. In the end the it falls to the exact same faults that all collectivist ideology does. Corruption, greed, and pure incompetence.
Chase Hernandez
Found this in the commie general. I assume this is you OP?
Christian Ward
>Corruption, greed, and pure incompetence.
Funny. What ideology doesn't fall into this? What flavor of individualism?
Jace Williams
Once again, someone on the internet fails to understand their "their" definition of socialism is not "the" definition of socialism.
INB4 "but my definition IS the real definition of socialism!"
Nope. It's literally fucking not. Literally look in a dictionary if you want too, assbag.
community does not = workers. It = government or any other large powerful body.
INB4 your tears - I don't fucking care about them and I won't be responding to anything you write.
moron.
and yes, hitler was some vein of socialist. Not a marxist socialist, but a socialist of some stripe, for certain. This is absolutely indisputable to anyone with half a fucking brain.
Xavier Howard
Well like the others have pointed out, National Socialism is still Socialism. The Reichs social policies wernt Marxist, but their economic policies were.
Jason Wood
op is a spam nigger, also got btfo by actually kill yourself
Jaxson Torres
there is absolutely no reasonable way to claim that adolf hitler wasn't a socialist. He wasn't a "marxist", that doesn't mean he wasn't a "socialist". The autists here are really fucking brainless droolers.
Christian Mitchell
The one where a group of nepotistic despots thousands of miles from me doesn't tell me how to live my life?
Kevin Brooks
Yes, there is.
>Democraps are left-wing.
Jaxson Diaz
The term "privatisation" was literally invented to describe Nazi economic policy.
Brayden James
Krupp was private
Jace Kelly
The funny part is that the people making this argument are always economic conservatives who seem to be somehow making the argument that socialist economic policies lead to gassing six million jews and that’s why small government is better.
If you really want to discuss economics rather than “everyone I don’t like is Hitler”, then by calling the Third Reich socialism you must give socialists credit for the greatest economic turnaround of all time.
Camden Gray
"Socialist" doesn't mean shit owned by the government, unless you're using a retarded fucking boomer definition of Socialism.
Leo Turner
But user that is exactly the fucking point, any and all socialist countries have led to the murder of millions of innocent people
Michael Thompson
There literally no better way to break brains of leftists at the pub though retard.
'hey mate you know the Nazi party was socialist'
And watch their brains melt trying to compute it because they've never read a thing in their lives.
OP is a brainlett retard.
Nazi was economically left, socially right.
Luis Foster
When the workers seize the means of production they become the government smoothbrain
Logan Howard
>Taxation is Theft
Is commensurately easy.
John Wood
Do you think that the Nazis killed millions of people for the practice of state owned roads, or do you think the Nazis killed people based off a NatSoc racial hierarchy you fucking brainlet ape?
Jason Lee
Yeah that retarded boomer dictionary, amirite guys? Today you learned a lesson. That lesson is that YOU don't get to personally decide what words do and do not mean based purely on your political whims and agendas.
As I stated previously. Community does not exclusively = "workers". "community" means government, or any other large social body. The definition is SPECIFICALLY written to make that distinction clear.
"Your" definition of socialism is not "the" definition of socialism. End of story. Period.
You. Fucking. Autistic. Retard.
Kayden Wilson
Socialism means everything is owned by the workers, right? So the workers take control, how do they manage this new means of production? Well they'll form a committee! And what do you call it when a bunch of subcommittees come together to form policy centrally? A government! You boot licking retarded fucking Nigger.
Noah Parker
Why do brainlets think collectivism is bad? Serving your homeland along with yor brothers is an honor
Jacob Thompson
Except it wasn't and the primary reason that the Nazis started expansionist wars was because they were on the verge of recollapsing under the weight of enormous debt and currency devaluation incurred by massive government spending
Jack Mitchell
Nazis did neither of those definitions, retard. The term "Privatisation" was literally invented to describe the economic policy of Nazi germany.
Levi Stewart
Personally I think the Nazi's killed millions of people because they ran out of logistics to feed and house their slave labor armies once the allies began pushing them back on both fronts, you ginormous trannies dilating dildo
Jordan Perez
National socialism was a reactionary movement born out of fear of an imminent socialist uprising in germany. They only called themselves socialist to spite real socialists.
Michael Bell
You have outed yourself as a brainlet
Well done
Camden Phillips
Because it has failed everytime, mutt.
Bentley King
The Nazis didn't nationalise shit to put it into "da hands of da workerz" you spaz. They even privatised shit, see .
Samuel Reyes
Thanks for this post user.
I needed to start the day with a laugh.
Brandon Johnson
National Socialism.
Socialists take away free markets and make it corporate based economy and often make them state run corporations.
Did that happen in Germany under Hitler?
Alexander Cruz
No, the nazis nationalized business by force, so much so that it was even very common for non-jews to flee germany after their businesses were stolen from them. They used income taxes, hitler believed in universal fucking healthcare and the welfare state, for gods sake. Just stop. You sound like such a drooling fucking retard with your dumb meme propaganda that has nothing at all to do with real history.
Carson Sullivan
>National Socialism failed
Read a fucking book mutt
Dominic Myers
Wow an inspired post user
Evan Cook
The Nazis attempted a genocide on Jews and Slavs for the fact that their entire ideology is based on a racial hierarchy. This is common knowledge you fucking idiot. They planned to starve millions of Slavs in Generalplan Ost, it wasn't logistical problems.
Colton Hernandez
I also live in the world where national socialism is no more, the same world you live in, if you went outside.
Elijah Martinez
>Dictionary definition, literally subjective to the common usage of a word, ie not prescriptive at all.
That's not how you study politics you brainless monkey.
>I don't fucking care about them and I won't be responding to anything you write.
>Babby's first political confrontation
>community does not = workers.
>Commune = not workers
Why am I even replying. Usually I'd be sure it's bait but since you're american, you never know.
>hitler was some vein of socialist. Not a marxist socialist, but a socialist of some stripe, for certain
Hitler had a different conception of socialism just like social democrats have a different one too, both of them are not socialist even if they were influenced by socialist ideas. Most of the social democrats are capitalist free market advocates, with a strong emphasis on unions. Hitler also thought that private property was important. Socialist theory doesn't allow private property and it's one of the fundamentals. Go suck a dick, retard and lurk for at least 3 more years. You have zero idea of what you're talking about.
>In a libertarian world, there's no corruption, greed or incompetence.
Ok.
>Politically illiterate mongoloid doesn't even know how a socialist/communist society is organized
Color me surprised.
Nathaniel Foster
Adolf hitler even believed in "volkish equality" which is basically pro-white version of the lefts idea of equality and classless society. Just stop. Anyone claiming adolf hitler wasn't some kind of socialist is fucking embarrassing the shit out of themselves. Whether its you on Jow Forums, or some marxist jew in academia. You both sound like drooling brainless morons when you try to push this obviously untrue propaganda.
Grayson Collins
Nigel, go back to prepping your Muslim bull for your 9 year old daughters
John Parker
It's not the same as the Marxist developments because it has a completely different root from which it stems from, but an ideology is an ideology, it being a "third path" to the right or to the left depends more on who you believe in.
If you're more inclined to believe Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Voeglin, or similar people, aside from being right, you'll believe it's a left-leaning ideology (or other terms such as "a political religion", which is fittingly descriptive)
Now, if you're inclined to believe the leftists like Hobsbawm or newer Marxists such as Perry Anderson, then you'll say it's an extreme right ideology. So pick your poison.
Nathaniel Taylor
He thinks the hollocaust actually happened and the Jews in camps didn't just mostly die of starvation because the us cut supply lines.
Nigger watch the greatest story never told
Chase Adams
Wow I know I said I wouldn't reply, but wow what a brainless pile of jumbled, meaningless words and rage. I just had to point out how astounded I was at your incoherent babbling and senseless rationalizations. Just wow.
Hitler was a socialist by any definition. Sorry bub.
Lincoln Brooks
>Smoothbrain thinks a socialist government isn't a government, thinks stateless communism is possible in the real world
Cooper Lewis
Plus when they yell "Muh-Kike!" they are in-fact worshiping a Half-Kike!
It's funny af.
Andrew Edwards
Then going by the retarded boomer definition, the Nazis were LESS socialist than most modern nations.
>Adolf hitler even believed in "volkish equality" which is basically pro-white version of the lefts idea of equality and classless society.
Nigger what? Hitler believed the German Volk were superior to Slavs and non-aryans. This is basic shit you learn in school. Do you think Hitler was a racial egalitarian?
Isaac Martinez
>Get btfo
>resort to shitposting and ignore actual arguments
based mutt
Chase Gonzalez
The Nazi's quickly abandoned national socialism after getting in power, in favor of their own racialized take on Italian fascism.
But now National Socialism = fascism to everyone.
Logan Parker
>Then going by the retarded boomer definition, the Nazis were LESS socialist than most modern nations.
It's true that they were less socialist than the current socialist USA and socialist Europe, but that doesn't mean they weren't socialist and didn't represent a move to the economic left in the context of their time.
And "retarded boomer definition" as you call it, is the definition. The internet-autist "muh marxism" political theory does not, nor has it ever, had a monopolistic hold on the meaning of the word socialism. Sorry. You've got to accept that fact.
>Nigger what? Hitler believed the German Volk were superior to Slavs and non-aryans. This is basic shit you learn in school.
I'm sorry that you have not educated yourself on Adolf Hitlers views of equality and classless society and his similarities to the modern day progressive left.
>en.wikipedia.org
I especially recommend reading about the nazis views on the welfare state and how deeply they believed in it.
>Do you think Hitler was a racial egalitarian?
I said "pro-white version" do you even fucking read? Jesus christ.
Just stfu man. Not responding to your dumb british ass anymore.
Josiah Evans
>No you're wrong and I'm right
You sure showed me. Positively sure you're just a dumb american, you even felt the need to reply one last time going against your own decision for how butthurt you are. You could just spend some time reading about the different political ideologies more in detail if you just stopped acting like a clown. This isn't a contest where you have to win against someone else, learn something instead.
Regardless if it works or not, you can't be a socialist if you don't follow socialist theory, like you can't be a christian if you don't believe in christ and/or his teachings. Fuck off.
>I especially recommend reading about the nazis views on the welfare state and how deeply they believed in it.
Are you seriously implying that welfare is socialism? Is anything the government does socialism for you?
Samuel Martinez
Welfare is socialism, absolutely. You are holding a gun to someones head and redistributing their wealth. That is socialism. Whine and cry about it all you want. Nobody cares about your dumb autistic shitfits bro.
And I can't make any kind of argument when you just sperg out angrily and cry "wah wah wah wah wah i dont like wut u say, ur dum!"
Carter Smith
One of the reasons I'm not a Nationalist Socialist.
It's too lefty to be considered good.
Plus its odd to me that there are many mentally retarded people that easily fall for leftism, well I guess that's why they are called retarded.
Gavin Russell
>The internet-autist "muh marxism" political theory does not, nor has it ever, had a monopolistic hold on the meaning of the word socialism.
It was literally the definition of Socialism until it was used to score political points.
>I said "pro-white version" do you even fucking read? Jesus christ.
Hitler wasn't pro-white you fucking sperglord. He HATED Slavs and thought the Meds were below Aryan Germans. It literally says this in the fucking wiki article you quoted.
>full legal rights to people of German blood or related blood, but deliberately excluded people outside this definition, who were regarded as inferior.
Brandon Carter
Jaxson Cook
Here are the 25 Points of National Socialism.
archive.fo
About half of the points are Nationalistic and the other half Socialistic.
Hence the name "National Socialist"
It has been my experience that most people who claim to be "Nazi" have no fucking idea what the platform actually is.
They just think it means gas the kikes and have blond kids.
When you confront these types, damned near all of them will admit that they are not for the Socialist aspects of the Nazi platform.
At all.
Yet they choose that Nazi label.
Very similar to Atheists.
When confronted about the issue, damned near all people who label themselves Atheists will admit that they are actually Agnostic.
Society has programmed them to prefer the Atheist moniker.
Bentley Robinson
Nazis are just pro-white progressives.
I'm as racist as hell and I hate jews too, but national socialism comes with a whole bunch of dumb left-wing baggage and big government authoritarianism. It's a recipe for disaster. All the world needs is libertarian states with strong borders and free markets, IMO. And in the case of the United States there's going to have to be some forced repatriation at some point. But other than that, the ideas of adolf hitler was far-left crapola.
Juan Morris
>I can't make any kind of argument
>Social policies = socialism
You're actually retarded.
Nicholas Jenkins
>It was literally the definition of Socialism until it was used to score political points.
Nope. This is just not true.
>Hitler wasn't pro-white you fucking sperglord. He HATED Slavs and thought the Meds were below Aryan Germans. It literally says this in the fucking wiki article you quoted.
Yeah alrite. Goodbye. have a nice day, retard.
Anthony Bell
You are not fooling anyone Ben
Jeremiah Turner
Andrew Morris
Like I said, I can't make any argument when you just call me names and sperg out.
Forced wealth redistribution is literally the definition of socialism though so I don't know what you're even sperging about, spergy.
Jaxson Howard
>He HATED Slavs and thought the Meds were below Aryan Germans
Juan White
>Nope. This is just not true
Okay, why? Got anything to back it up? Marxist Socialism existed BEFORE the modern, and retarded, definition of Socialism.
>Yeah alrite. Goodbye. have a nice day, retard.
user are you seriously implying that the Nazis liked the Slavs? What the fuck do you think Generalplan Ost was? Do you think Nazi Germany cared about whites as a whole?
Wyatt Cruz
You and The Donald amerimutts are the cancer that's ruining Jow Forums with your ignorance
Charles White
Nazis literally had ethnic cleansing in Poland to make way for German colonisation of the area. Ethnic Poles COULD become citizens of the Reich, but the majority of them would have to be killed and heavy Germanisation would have to happen.
Daniel Powell
The fact that you believe social policies are socialism is the definitive proof you are politically illiterate. Using taxes to enact those policies isn't socialism, just like using taxes for unemployment benefits, the police, healthcare, education etc isn't socialism. Just because the government uses your money for other things, that doesn't mean they're practicing socialism. You can't make any arguments because you're clueless. Like I said before, this is not a contest so it would be fine you just admitted you lack an understanding about this subject.
Aaron Scott
>it wasn’t real NatSoc bro.
wtf? I love nanny state (((socialism))) now!
Jaxson Young
literally, literally, where's the proof?
If hitler tought meds were below germans why did he befriend mussolini and was this last was an example for him and why he did adopt med/roman aesthetics?
Matthew Baker
> my special brand of socialism won't end horribly like those damned National Socialists
Socialists are the dumbest motherfuckers in any given room.
Michael Bennett
National Socialists were what I like to call "Equitarians", or people who believe in the principle of equity. The "socialism" moniker was mostly just a joke to piss off the german Marxists, and it worked pretty well. However, as the years wear on, the meaning has been befuddled and now your average braindead American cannot comprehend that National Socialism =/= Marxist "Socialism".
NS ideology sought to bring equity to the German people by eradicating wealth inequality through social programs. Marxist "Socialist" ideology sought to destroy equity by just "making everyone equal" in poverty, which of course meant that everyone besides the Politburo would be poor.
Most morons, both right-wing and the left, attach a connotation to "Socialism" even though they haven't an iota of knowledge on the inception of the idea, let alone its various iterations throughout its ~200 year history.
Liam Murphy
Socialism and natsoc are both bootlicker ideologies for betas. Pretty sad whites have to sell away all their liberty just to keep themselves from sucking BBC's.
Evan Sanchez
Look at all this fucking nonsense. Socialists don't even actually know what the fuck socialism is. It's all feels and daddy issues from people that came from wealthy backgrounds.
They all have their own special brand of socialism and they all stink of ass.
Anthony Morales
>easier way to spot brainlets?
yes
>First thing that got me redpilled was gamer gate
Nicholas Ward
>your average braindead American cannot comprehend that National Socialism =/= Marxist "Socialism".
And thus I'm proven right
Jordan Young
Social engineers who wanted to reimagine society according to some retarded conception of "fairness" some dumb woman explained to them while she was handing out pieces of cake to them while they were in kindergarten.
Yep, they were socialists.
Jayden Williams
It's all Marxian socialism dumbass because all socialism is the same bullshit. The socialism that isn't the same is Anarchists that don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Socialists are dumb fucks with mommy/daddy issues that never learned that they weren't special which prevented them from ever growing the fuck up. You want to enlighten a socialist, make them fucking work for a living. All the bullshit they filled their heads with will leak right the hell out.
Anthony Thompson
If by your retarded as comment, you mean
>Took Germany from a backwater to The most powerful military power in the world with more technological progress in 4 years than humanity has ever had ever, all in the effort to free the european peoples from international banking clans
yes you are correct
Jason Martinez
>gamer gate redpilled me
Working a full time job red pilled me on how lazy vidya neets are
Colton Lee
>has no knowledge of a subject
>feels the need to comment on it
Yep, its retarded
Sebastian Morris
>literally, literally, where's the proof?
The ethnic cleansing of Zamojszczyzna.
also the Racial Hierarchy of of Nazi Germany is pretty well documented. Northern Italians were seen as Aryan whites in the same vein as Germanics, and southern Italians were seen as lower on the racial ladder. Hitler and Mussolini generally disagreed on race as well. Mussolini didn't believe race existed and said that the Germans were “the descendants of those who were illiterate when Rome had Caesar, Virgil and Augustus.”
Ayden Carter
Germany already had the most powerful military in the world in world war 1 and before that it was the prussians who had the best military.
The nazis piggybacked those traditions you dumb retard. So much of taking them from "backwater".
No shit there was a lot of technological progress in those times, there was a massive war going on, just to bad the germans didn't invent RADAR or the computer (arguably the most groundbreaking invention of that time, invented by brits, not nazis), else they might have won.
They are socialist apostates and nothing else. Replace Volk with Worker and Jew with Burgeoise and Hitler reads like Marx.
Also it's retarded ass and not retarded as.
Asher Williams
>Germany became a great industrial power because of socialism
You just acknowledged that their brand of socialism relied on stealing from others
Socialists, like their commie cousins, are THIEVES
Brody Cooper
>>closes down private banks in favor of a national bank
Good, private banks cause some major problems.
Hudson Cruz
Wait, are there really fucktards that thought that Hitler was a socialist?