Some posted this on my thread last night but i had fallen asleep before i could respond. SO..
>The same "rationality" that makes you value your own family over strangers, feed your own son before your neighbours son, kiss your mother on the cheek but not Mrs Mac down the road, this is the exact same line of thinking which is behind nationalism and racialism - only applied to a larger scale.
>If racialism is irrational then so is favouritism of family (because race is just your extended family).
YOU VOLUNTARILY PICK WHO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR FRIENDS AND YOU CAN ESTRANGE YOUR FAMILY EVEN!!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ARE BOUND BY THEIR IDEAS AND HOW THEY TREAT EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!
RACISM AND NATIONALISM IS IRRATIONAL BECAUSE THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNTRY AND OF YOUR OWN RACE THAT YOU DISLIKE AND MILLIONS OF STRANGERS AROUND THE WORLD THAT YOU HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH!
I'm opposed to the idea of "white". White means European mutt.
Kayden Scott
It's a moot point, desu. In the US, we lost freedom of association when they passed the civil rights act.
Jack Cruz
A free society is a desirable thing. If you can't articulate yourself, please don't pretend - or attempt even in seriousness - to advocate anything about it. You'll just annoy people and make them associate a good moral position with faggotry and autism. That's probably your goal though.
Juan Sullivan
>if you can't articulate yourself
how about instead of being a negative prick you try to help me with my point?
you know what i mean.. that racism and nationalism is not like regular association and there are deeper ideas that attract people to each other and stuff like business circumstances.. and you can leave your family so that doesnt count either?
if youre such a wordsmith then do better and ill delete this thread and start a new one with how you explained it
it's a place for working through ideas.. what you think that the 24 people that have seen this thread are going to be motivated towards communism now because i posted a work in progress idea on a containment board on an otaku website?
civil rights act confirmed by supreme court means you do NOT have the right of free association
Brayden Cruz
Racism and nationalism are about prejudices. There are innumerable prejudices in regular human associations, so the point you're making is a non-starter in asserting there's something fundamentally irregular or apart from everyday associations with racism/nationalism.
If you want to say "x is ACTUALLY more important to you than y" you're gonna typically get nowhere either, since no one is receptive to "I know more about you than you do; let me tell you why you're wrong about yourself".
Just push secession and let people keep all their irrational prejudices - it's the only winning issue. "You can be you with other people like you, and without the people you don't like having any say in how your life goes". Winning issue.
Julian Russell
yeah im not talking about though
im talking about people who irrationally want to close of borders so they are stuck in this open air prison and who think that white people are better even though half of white people are leftist dicks
your better off accepting immigration so you can run away if there are problems.. at least in europe you wont get stuck in your eastern european shit hole or at least you can run away to an eastern european shithole
Do you honestly not think that people make broad-based judgements about classes of ideas based on their personal experiences with people who claim to represent or vouch for those ideas?
I can't tell you the number of idiots I've met whose opening line about Christianity literally IS an anecdote about some annoying-sounding Biblethumper. People DO make such judgements.
Isaac White
A globalist ancap? Are you stupid? Nationalism is the ultimate form of private property
William Green
>secession
k so how long do you want to wait for one of your states to declare itself ancapistan??? or the ethno state retard corner??
and what if your little enclave goes to shit???? at least in europe you can hop around to your favorite principality that offers you the best rates on taxes? at least there is COMPETITION and a sort of market for attracting the right kind of people to their country!
>I know more about you than you do
well nazi memes started out ironically and now look where they got.. i think it's possible to do the reverse.. IT'S CALLED SUBVERSION AND WE CAN SUBVERT SUBVERSION!
We need to call the real cuc.ks "cu.cks"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean think how much of a faggot you have to be if you choose which men you want to associate with based on APPEARANCE!??!?!?! YOU WANT TO FUCK THEM???
>id rather be friends with a leftist white guy than an ancap brown dude
>Christianity no less irrational than other theories about reality and you should stfu about religion if you haven't actually had a "mystical" experience
i like jesus's philosophy but he's no better than buddha and theyre both imperfect
But yeah my point was the small amount of people who are going to see this thread are not as important as me working out my ideas and in the future that idea will be able to attract more people than it was turned off originally? You know how stand up comedy works right? People try out jokes and then they get better and then the small amount of people who saw them bomb are dwarfed by how many people see them when they have worked their ideas through. This thread is just not going to get that many eyeballs and in the future im going to have a dank copy pasta.
I don't care about some arbitrary projected timeline - it's a winning issue. You can actually get nodding heads from just about anyone if you talk to them about secession.
If you're about subversion then push secession and black markets. Principled, possible, and convincing.
You will not attract anyone with the shit you're posting. Not one soul. Even if you did, Jesus none of us WANT that kind of soul. I'm wasting my time. I waste much too much time on obvious bait.
Jaxon Rodriguez
Why shouldn't we close of our borders to people with IQ lower than 100?
what about an artist with an iq of 99 but able to make awesome manga?
there are different kinds of intelligence no matter how autistic you want to sperg against this
>t. iq of 149
>Principled, possible, and convincing.
SURE BUT I STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE THIS SHIT HOLE EASILY IN THE MEAN TIME! Why cant rich people with the same interests congregate just like leftists congregate in LA, New York, and San fran?
>Not one soul
i got one on 8ch last night of all places so youre wrong
also even if you think it's unpopular that doesnt make in untrue and we should still talk about truth even when it's unpopular.. if you want to justify the means then become an authoritarian and try to engineer society instead of going with the free market approach
>Why cant rich people with the same interests haha i also meant ancaps etc etc
sure the civil rights act should be nullified but the whole point is we WANT TO INCREASE RIGHTS OF ASSOCIATION AND SOMETIMES BORDERS CAN BE AGAINST THAT!
Cooper Hernandez
>what about an artist with an iq of 99 but able to make awesome manga? Well the Japanese have a mean IQ higher than 100 so it's a moot point user. When did you ever see an Australian abo make something useful?
how does it feel knowing that because of outliers there is an ABO smarter than you!?!? HAHHAHAHAHAHA (BREATHS IN) AHAHHAHAHA
There are plenty of artists THAT ARE BAD AT TAKING TESTS!??!?!?! YOU THINK EVERY MANGA ARTIST IN JAPAN IS GOOD AT TAKING IQ TESTS?!?!?!?
>t. iq of 149
YOU CAN GET GOOD AT TAKING IQ TESTS??? EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT??? IT'S NOT A PERFECT METRIC AND TO BASE IMMIGRATION ON THAT IS A FUCKING FOOLISH FUCKING POL MEME!! THE BEST WAY TO DECIDE WHO GETS TO COME HERE IS BY..
****INVITATION*****
But that AINT GON' HAPPEN' ANY TIME SOON user SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL AGREE TO OPEN BORDERS WITH EUROPE SO YOU CAN ESCAPE TO MALTA WHEN TRUMP MAKES IT EFFECTIVELY ILLEGAL TO BE A HIGH VOLUME CRYPTO TRADER LIKE HE DID IN JANUARY ALONG WITH THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE!!! IN AMERICA YOU CAN OWE MORE TAXES THAN YOU MAKE IN PROFIT AS A TRADER OF CRYPTO!!! THEY ALSO MAKE IT VERY HARD FOR EXCHANGES TO ALLOW SHORTING TO AMERICAN CUSTOMERS SO YOU BETTER LIKE BUYING AND HODLING IF YOU LIVE IN THE STATES AND WANT CLOSED BORDERS!!!!!