Without Christianity/religion are our countries fucked?

I ask this as an atheist.

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Yes

There are other nonviolent religions. The could be Janes

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If anything we need a violent religion to save us at this point.

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The West is short for Western Christendom.

Yes, more or less. In the long term, definitely, because everyone will have to answer to God ultimately, but in the short term, it's dicey. What happened in the West was the ideological divestment of the authority of all traditional institutions, cultural, social, and religious--what we today refer to as Liberalism. This ideological movement was devised and instigated by the bourgeoisie, the merchant class, in order to forever deprive those institutions of their legitimacy, so they could fill the power vacuum almost literally with their cheap wares. While Christianity is important, at least as it concerns this question, it's more important to be rid of the powers that be. This could be done in a number of ways, in theory at least.

Religion is great at uniting people. But uniting them by jewish religion is a pretty stupid idea.
Only crusade you will get is one on dirty feet.

Yes and no.
Morally from what we already have within, it would hurt us further To have a free for all.

However, because it exists citizens are more likely to embrace illegals

Watch this video user:
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Its a redpilled Christian vs Ethno Nationalist debate

No christcuckery deserves death. If you are pagan that is different.

Yes, we need religious principles (boundaries) to stave off degeneracy and hedonism.

lmao no

Pretty much. Christianity was where most of our social structures were setup. Most of our community and social context was done through it. So losing it is a disaster just on those points, without even getting into the religious aspects.

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Otherwise? Anything is game.

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Not necessarily.
Preservation of conservative values is crucial for the longterm survival of a nation. Most people are either too stupid to understand this, or simply aren't educated on the topic.
Religion exists to reinforce these values, as a simpler alternative to proper education on their importance. It's a tool, nothing more.
A stable state can be maintained without religion, but only if other mechanisms are put in place that do the same job.

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This is really pathetic this dumb faggot fuck is saying that Africans are more English then he is for not worshiping a foreign semitic God pathetic.

That hasn't worked or we wouldn't be in this situation. Prechristcuckery we were doing just fine.

No, that isn't what he said. He didn't say it makes them English, he said it makes them have more in common with his ancestors than that atheist did, speaking of their values and beliefs. He elaborates later in the video.

Also he was specifically speaking of the Christians that were standing next to him in the video, not Africans.

Bullshit he was saying that he would rather have christcuck Africans in his country other then him. The guy is just aloud mouth dumb cunt basic bitch retard. Indifferent to abortion? Yeah because I fucking bet that guy was indifferent because most niggers and nonwhites and single mother pieces of shit are getting abortions for fuck sake. He's a deluded retard that thinks christcuckery will solve these issues when WHAT HE IS PREACHING CAUSED THESE ISSUES! Who gave the women the right to vote? Christian's. List goes on and on who gave Jews power? CHRISTIANS. Fucking dumb shit wouldn't say a racist thing

If you have a nation of people with a few atheists. The atheist seems to be a novelty that can keep some fundamentalist things from going outside of rational thought. If a nation is purely atheist its nonsense. Its in the word it self. An atheist doesn’t stand for something. They have no position. They stand against something to temper it. However they forget or rarely analyze what they stand for. The early atheists were shrewd thinkers and smart rational sceptics. Who did NOT pretend to exactly know. But the contrarian and lazy contrarian principle of the definition meant that these became drowned in fedora morons who did NOT have to sat what they stood for. Tl;DR NOT really.

The debate is 40 minutes, you haven't listened to the whole thing. You are just bullshitting. The ethno nationalist gets BTFO and everyone in the comments agrees.
You are just triggered at the truth. Look how mad you are. Using caps and words like "dumb faggot fuck". Stop pretending you are a smart guy.

I listened halfway to it you fucking faggot
Oh wow YouTube comments sure as signs that he's right. How the fuck did you find Jow Forums who the fuck uses YouTube comment sections as a sign anyone won a fucking debate you are a dumb fucking retard seriously go suck a christcuck nigger dick you jew loving fuck.

The christcuck only wins if he is trying to say that christcucks are pro nonwhite Christian's and they would rather have them then an atheist ethnonationalist white man like himself. Fuck off faggot.

Rephrase. Find out what you stand for rather than against. To answer that question. And see if that can build or maintain anything. The atheist a contrarian perspective. Its nightmare is to categorize what it stands for. Because then you are no longer an atheist. An atheist is someone sceptical or contrarian to some or all religious values and systems. It is nothing by itself.

Look how angry you are, you must have a lot of demons inside you. Jesus can take all that weight off your shoulders, user.

Religion has worked for thousands of years. How long has liberalism "worked"? Oh right - everything is already going to shit.

I really like Christopher hitchens though. His lifestyle aside which was NOT so healthy with drinking etc. But i suppose he mustered up his courage to pierce through questions NOT always asked. He was a smart man. And when he did get an illness unfortunately for him as many good men have gotten unrelated to whatever they believed in. I found it a sad spectacle of humanist to see certain religious people. Who cheered that this was divine punishment. For him daring to think and question certain things. It is NOT bad that there are people like him trying to keep people like those who delighted in his death a bit more honest.

If that's the case then that yelling faggot christcuck in the video sure as fuck as a billion more demons then I do

Who was talking about liberalism? Christcuckery is liberalism anyway.

>Liberalism: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

Were you dropped on your head as a child? Is that the issue here?

Christcucks are willing to listen to new ideas. Especially when its importing nonwhites into our country. Better watch out LEGAL IMMIGRATION IS F8NE!

That's not REAL Christianity tho. I'm all for stoning fags.

We need a new religion codifying everything we hold sacred: racial purity, environmentalism, honor, Valor, duty, strength, ancestor worship, etc

Reminder that Christianity isn't western, and anyone that pretends Christendom is western is a jewish shill.

What the fuck are those?
Does she want to get grappled by her tits or something?
As LARP novice this triggers me a lot

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The countries generally grouped together as Western though are pretty much defined by being held together by the Western Roman (Catholic) Church up until the 1500s and having a resultingly largely shared cultural and idea set.

if there were any reason the Second Coming of Christ would be happening now, it would be to somehow produce a successor to Christianity that is compatible with the space age and beyond, as in whatever religion or state that is ushered in by the Lord's actions here on Earth will be something able to sustain us for 10,000 years instead of just 2,000

If youre a jew yes.

Unfortunately the religious aspects derived from the post Schism world and the advance of science were what killed it. You can't convince people with a message that has a basis that is patently not true, like the Christian cosmology is today if taken at face value. Christianity spread by the sword and by triumph over other religions in the first place, so demanding people turn back to it when it offers no compelling immediate benefits won't work.

>converting to Christianity in the middle ages:
>"oh wow that sacred tree got chopped down and Odin did nothing, maybe Christ is God after all"
>converting to Christianity today:
>"JOIN TODAY OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER"
>"OK, fine, where's your proof?"
>"It's in this 400 year old translation of a 2000 year old patch set and sequel to a 4000 year old Jewish fairy tale that explains that evil exists because a woman took an apple from a talking snake"
>"lol ok fag"

With the absence of universal, infallible Papal authority (thank you, Luther), the sole source of Christian morality and law is the Bible, and if it's not literally true, it's just metaphor that can be twisted and interpreted to any end. The fedorafags are right that taking all of the Bible literally is dumb, but take that away and what does modern Christianity offer? Catholicism might have had a shot at reunifying the Church if its bureaucracy wasn't rotten to the core with kikes, fags, and shitskins. Vatican II was a death knell to all Christendom.

Religion traditionally took that role to keep the NPCs in line because conservative values require a multi generation perspective rather than "just do what feels good yolo XD" to constrain behavior.

Here is the problem i have with both atheists and theists. Whatever deity whatever ideology you believe in in that regard.
The atheists says.
>well god is nonsense. It's a complicated thing, look at the world look at animal life look at us we are essentially mammals in a way
That´s all correct.
Then theists go.
>no you fucking retard, god created earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th.
They do not want to come together in the middle way, which is probably exactly where it is.
Atheists don't want it, because they don't like the idea of some stupid god that made stupid rules like that for them to follow some of which they percieve to be inhumane. So they prefer a model where this is not the case. Everything is random but came together somewhat decently.
Theists, they desire order, and reason behind everything that happens. And they don't want to give it up. So they ascribe every little thing into that there's a total good reason for that.
Could the middle ground be somewhere like aliens and whatever is behind them. Something quite beautiful could be there. To connect matter to more profound things. NONE OF THEM are satisfied with that.
>god god must be supreme god in charge of all things, nothing is to be at random.
Says the theist.
>few if no things happen precisely because they are 'supposed to do that´ rather we influence that. And we arose from total chaos.
See none of them want to give. Which leaves people like me in a precarious place. See why an atheist pretends he's not fundamentalist. HE IS! EVERY BIT AS MUCH of a fundamentalist, as a theist on these issues. And they won't come and see perhaps there are common threads perhaps we can discover the truth somewhere in the middle. Not interested. This is the real problem really about this.

>that's not REAL
Yes it fucking is the law is set the christcucks must accept it if it is done by law.

look around you, fucking idiot
don't you see the issue ?

yes

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>what is kantai
You need to lurk more

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I think theology and our ideologies. It arose from certain real things. Then humans get control of it. And when governments and rulers get hold of it. Well. Then they take also advantage of certain interpretations of it! Theists don't acknowledge this. Religion is PERFECT. All happens for reason. If my dad dies of some illness, it´s because well gods reasons are unresearchable.
And the atheist would say. Look cause and effect in that situation. Some deity has little to do with that, and it's very unfortunate.
They maybe both are right, but both want to be fully right, instead of partially. There´s only one that can be right, if they both are only partially right. Then we have ourselves a situation..

Simply put: yes

If Christianity goes away,another religion will take its place

ctrl+f islam = 0

Your posts reek of middle ground bias. You see two different positions and seek to create consensus rather than seeking truth, regardless of how true or not the two positions may be. If person 1 says 2+2=5, person 2 says 2+2=7, and person 3 compromises with 2+2=6 they're all still wrong. Now granted, religion is all about creating a common world view, but that world view must be compatible with what we already know of physical reality to explain what can't be directly perceived. A religion of the future won't have a God of Lightning because we know how electricity works, for example.

Islam is even more off the mark than Christianity.

And what both want is ofcourse they want a good result. Where people treat eachother nicely and dignified and so on and so forth. Were we can get along. And we value eachother and so on. All these very obvious things. But neither of them get that exactly, but approach it from two totally different directions. Atheists are called that i understand they are offended about that. That they don't care about human beings, that they have no morality because morality is from god, that they are evil minded people who just want we all kill eachother and leave it to chance which are treated nice and which aren't. But the theists. They do kind of similar things unfortunately. Especially against those who dare to critique them. Oh wew..
>If Christianity goes away,another religion will take its place
Right, a society requires a meaning for why things are the way they are. Even if it's ridiculous. Like ok this is how and why that is. Ok i get that. I don't have to have that do my head in. Humanity fundamentally requires meaning for us to operate and want to do things. Because, we are so intelligent that we are capable of such high level thinking that it does our fucking head in if it makes no sense how this is in any way good for us or for eachother etc. Then we ask why. And we need an answer for that. Even if it's bullshit and or temporarily whilst we try to move toward a greater thing for eachother.
Theists fill the whole where.
>here you go plop.. that's how that is, and it will be better in future.
>RIGHT ON, let's get to work.
Atheists fill the whole with.
>wait a minute, that part i like but this is total nonsense, should we not do that better? maybe? that part is a little crap?

>Your posts reek of middle ground bias. You see two different positions and seek to create consensus rather than seeking truth
>middle ground bias
Ok, i'm pointing out both have massive bias for being right about EVERYTHING, not just a little bit of it but EVERY PART, every tiny little thing.
Do i have middle ground bias then? Sure. Do you have bias in that regard then?
You say i have bias. I really don't. Whatever it is i would like to know what it is, as long as it all adds up and it's true. Now. Does that mean i would like it? NO.. probably i wouldn't. probably most people wouldn't. That's why we don't want to do that HAHAHA, i think that's part of the reason for it.

>even if it's ridiculous
If it's ridiculous and untrue it will get torn to shreds by Jow Forumsacks or their future equivalent and then we're back to square one. The most recent example is the Holocaust myth. If you forbid people from asking why or investigating truth, they'll blow holes in your story just to spite you. A religion of the future must be CREDIBLE.

You fundamentally do not understand what bias is or what truth is, for that matter. I suspect you are a woman. Tits or GTFO.

Which is why theology is so enticing to humanity. Because it's like. It goes. in a lot of aspects.
>well it's not perhaps. ideal right now. BUT it's going to be good in the future, so don't worry! It's going to be alright.
Probably will aswell, hopefully. HAHA. But if you remove hope from people. You can't do that. Unless you want total disaster.
Where perhaps atheists in them liking to kick the ass of those idealistic hopeful thinkers they are kicking their own ass aswell by going.
>look, so many things are just cause and effect in this way. Its just accident quite a few of those things.
And then they end themselves up being sad. With no hope. Because 'it's all random' and then turn into hedonists.

>You fundamentally do not understand what bias is or what truth is, for that matter.
Bias: Whatever you want a certain thing to be, regardless of how it actually is.
Truth/facts in higher form when they are unassailable: Whatever is actually the case, regardless of people realize it or not, and regardless of how they would like things to be.
Not good enough? Then go ahead.

this. Sup[porting fucking niggers over your own race just because they worship the same jew as you. When will Jow Forums realize that Christcuckery is controlled opposition?

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Atheism isn’t free from religion
Atheism plus exists

Only atheism can finally stop the cancers that are the Abrahamic religions. Talking serpents and talking donkeys are useless. Killing to please their gods is hurting us.

We need to be good to one another and respect each other because it is the right thing to do.

If anything we need the truth

You are foolish if you think these social structures weren't already existing before Christianity, you underestimate how much our old ways influenced the latter.

Define "conservative values" without the religious and ethno-cultural context. An artificial state with a strong government is not enough to give guidance and purpose to a people, and that's the kind of thing that would decay into corruption and/or tyranny very quickly (as seen with socialist states). Thinking of religion as a tool that can be replaced or emulated is pure deconstructivism

The term (((Western))) is a meme actually. European/White Caucasian is more accurate. I'll find more similarities with an orthodox slav than with a westernized nigger

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>Atheism plus exists
Plus what?

>I'll find more similarities with an orthodox slav
In America we'd much rather have the nigs than the slavs.

>without ethno-cultural context
>define cultural values without culture
Culture is more then religion you doofus.

Actually no you're a fucking retard if you think we'd be worse off with Slavs than nigs.

>If it's ridiculous and untrue it will get torn to shreds by Jow Forumsacks or their future equivalent and then we're back to square one. The most recent example is the Holocaust myth. If you forbid people from asking why or investigating truth, they'll blow holes in your story just to spite you. A religion of the future must be CREDIBLE.
Look i'm not saying which one is credible or not and or that any religion we have now is not credible or whatever. That's up for others to decide. Leave me the fuck out of that shit. Ok as far as i´m concerned i consider that unanswered. I'm simply talking about theology/religion in general. Being an ideology that talks about the reasons for the present, and how they orderly conduct themselves, and something about that it becomes better for them in the future if they do well at it. That's really the basis of it. It's also a basis for society in general. It's similar principle. You need to work together, to be nice to eachother, to have a common goal that helps tremendously if you have that towards you being very cooperative and nice and helpful to eachother. In that way i mean. That that is really the thing religion fills in that way on a larger scale. It's original purpose. Probably based on very real things. Very probably. Do i pretend to know exactly what exactly these things are. No.. i don't. I'm interested but i don't claim to do that. But i understand the overlying purpose of such things. And in itself as a thing, unless misused. I consider it actually bening. Again it's like anything. You misuse it, you can hurt people very bad.

Yes.

Without god you deserve to lose you country to muslims

I'm chirsitain and I am saved by jesus christ

All of you could be too if you wanted to and I would accept you as brother or sister but if you don't then only hell awaits.

yes

>oy veys in the background

Sure thing Jamal

Yes, it's also ethnicity and the basic behavior that comes with it. What i said in "ethno-cultural context". But a strong culture need to be in accordance with both your religion and your ethnicity to be legitimate or otherwise it's doomed to failure with your people

Yes because we historically wouldn't have the solidarity to fight off the muslims or the africans, or even the south americans for the americans.

>a strong culture need to be in accordance with both your religion and your ethnicity to be legitimate or otherwise it's doomed to failure with your people
Except the religion is entirely unnecessary if people are protective of their culture anyway.
Czechs are among the most ethnocentric people in Europe, highly protective of their nation and culture, and simultaneously the most atheistic.

Culture cannot come into existance without a faith (besides faith is a natural trait in humans) and the Czech culture formed before they massively became atheist. When someone claims to be atheistic, his faith is left with a void, a void that is filled with everything that has influenced him over the course of his life, may it be superstitions, prior experiences, ideologies, ect. Atheistic Czechs are simply being influenced by the shadow of their ancestors and by the momentum the latter built. It can appear strong but it's very fragile

plus identity politics, duh.
You're a feminist like us atheists, riiiight, Pepe-kun?

What the fuck is wrong with you, australia kun?
You live in a world with computers and mars landers. Its time to accept that magic isn't real.
Just stop.

Yes, the christian branch of the abrahamic faith is truly our greatest ally.

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Google it
You will get a laugh or two

What does it mean to be good

Yes, it has lead to hole in the Western heart which on the popular level is being filled with the Church of Globo-homo, and on the margins fringe political ideologies:not to mention the general trend towards societal polarization and fragmentation.

There's a reason religion exists in every human society across time.

Christendom literally defines the West as it actually existed.

Yes. Vox Day made a few succinct videos on the subject. Ignore fedoras and LARPagans.

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Vox day is a faggot boomer shithead. No one takes him seriously

>christcuck
Opinion discarded.

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Very stupid guy. He knows Christians in Nigeria. Great. Why should these nigerians move to britain so there are more nigerians in britain than there are British? Whilst nigerians are 98% majority in their own country. No a nigerian with British citizenship is NOT British. Its an ethnicity. He mentions himself the celts. Will a nigerian ever be a celt? No. In a similar way a nigerian is NOT British. He says they are part of an international Christian community. Good, go visit eachother. Fortunately for Bob the guy he is debating is remarkably dumber than he is. So he doesn’t have to answer actual questions that will stump him. And he doesn’t realize the immigrants are using him to enter britain. And he deludes himself from this realization by claiming a Christian nigerian has more in common with him than a Britt. Because the Britt he is talking to is NOT Christian. Move to Kenya then Bob. The irony is ofcourse is that the British ethnonationalist he is talking to says he grew up as roman catholic. And he obviously became a rather dumb atheist because Christian people like Bob are Selling out his own people in his own Homeland in favour of other people who do NOT need to be in britain. And who are massive amounts of people in their own countries. Which Bob could easily visit Them or Them him. NOT a smart man Bob. NOT even knowledgeable about the point of the new future body. Because our current ones are different. We are different people. Very different. God sees the soul confined by the carrier and limited by it Bob. You pretend there are no ethnic differences. But you misunderstand. You don’t see the soul Bob. You are NOT god. The Carriers are different they behave different and have different limitations and inclinations. What he thinks to virtue signal now is the issue to be fixed. Bad bob

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>vox day
Opinion discarded

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You said that already, Varglodyte.

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Yes, and it can't be some cuck religion either. One that allows you to genocide muds and calls it a virtue. I'm guessing the tree hugging Pagan shit? although who the fuck is actually willing to die for that nonsense, yeah, i'm gonna go fucking fall in battle in the name of Thor, brb.

I do not really care for Varg but he is 100% more useful then cuck voxday.

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LMFAO, yeah let's LARP about stuff instead of being real human beings.

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yeah better go larp as jews.

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no, without that shit your country will be free

it's like removing your shackles

Yes. Look at the birthrates and growth of PC socialism.

OR to put it simply, have you ever watched any old TV series like Andy Griffith or I Love Lucy? If you feel nostalgic for seeing those older shows and feel like you would be more comfortable living back then, then there's your answer.

Yes. All human institutions will inevitably become corrupted. Only the Holy Spirit can be trusted for guidance. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Stupid fuck, you're a scared fuck aren't you? yeah, can't fucking face The Void have to make shit up. Slutty little cunt.

Lick my fucking balls.

what are you talking about.

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is that why you christcucks have become "corrupted" lol even though from its inception it was corrupted because you know jews?

HAHA, Jesus that fucking cuck? you're a loser.

What's "corruption"? when was anyone "pure"? stupid cunt fuck whore slut cunt.