>At least 20 Afghan civilians, including 12 children, were killed in an airstrike targeting a Taliban commander in the eastern province of Kunar late on Friday, local officials said.
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This is the longest war in American history and not one single person can give me a good reason. Osama bin Laden is dead. The soldiers being sent to die there weren't even born when 9/11 happened but for some (((reason))) we're still there.
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Pulling out would lead to the Afghan government collapsing and would be a total humiliation for the US after spending such absurd amounts of money and time trying to nation build.
heh and the Taliban are the bad guys why?
>caring what the world thinks about us
there's the problem right there.
It's the "at least we know where we stand, in deep shit" strategy.
See, Obama tried to pull out of Iraq and it went to hell in a handbasket and ISIS almost conquered the country. It would make the USA look bad if ISIS conquered the country we "liberated" so we had to go back in and fortify Iraq and help them defeat ISIS.
Similarly, if we pull out of Afghanistan, the Taliban will simply take over again. And it will appear that all those dead US servicemen will have died for absolutely nothing. So no president is willing to do that.
But there's also zero exit strategy. There is zero hope for Afghanistan. They'll be exactly as fucked up in a hundred years as they are now. Fixing them is an implausible premise.
So servicemen go there and die for literally no reason other than no US politician can pull us out, because it would mean the end of their career.
Everyone is going to pass the buck down the road because pulling out is politically non viable.
So we'll be there forever. Literally forever. There is almost nothing that could change the situation.
The only thing that might happen is if a Democrat is elected then they might say "Haha, Afghanistan is so peaceful now, I guess we can pull out our troops." and the media will say "Haha, you're a democrat, we believe anything you say, we will cover for you." and then the media will refuse to report on Afghanistan as it spirals into chaos, sort of like how the media refused to hold the Obama administration accountable for the collapse of Libya which precipitated the European Migrant Crisis.
If the Dems and the Media can suck each others cocks enough to hoodwink the United States populace, then MAYBE we'll get out of Afghanistan on day, but either way the Taliban will still take control and it will have all been for naught.
watch the last hour of bitter lake.
what a joke and disaster
>Afghan government collapsing
who cares. that just means it was a zombie all along
The US has toppled multiple governments in the ME for Israel. How would it be " a total humiliation"? They're debating on overthrowing Syria right now. Our (((media))) keeps telling everyone Assad needs to go.
have you been paying attention at all to the last thirty years?
haha get dabbed on, sandniggers
business is good
>From 2016 to 2017, the area under opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan increased by 63 percent, to 328,000 hectares (ha); the estimated total production of opium shot up by 87 percent to 9,000 metric tons (mt). That’s the most in Afghan history
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>The United States invaded Afghanistan largely to restore the heroin industry and it is now making about $1.5 trillion every year from this business, according to Dr. Kevin Barrett, an American academic and political analyst.
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it's literally a weapons testing ground and live fire training at this point.
Has been for awhile
Simple as this OP:
>including 12 children
user, i got news for you...
HEROIN
That's why.
How can they tell they were civilians?
>not one single person can give me a good reason
Poppy fields idiot.
Afghanistan is going to collapse, it's just a matter of when.
The Democraps make us leave and Taliban take over, or the Republicucks stay and get fucked by the Taliban anyways in several decades with the cost of more lives.
poppy,cia niggers. Along with refusing to say we lost another war.
close enough.
It's the poppy fields that Bayer owns which the US is guarding like the cutdick slave of jews that they are
I honestly don't care too much about them. I know this is a small sample and It's not good but I don't have any positive connection to citizens of muslim countries. What I really care about is the American kids being sent to fight and die for things that aren't in our national interest and American citizens being forced to fund it. We send our kids to fight endless wars that only affect us negatively for Israel.
How do they tally the body count after the fact?
So it's our heroine colony
Brilliant
So proud to be an American
i guess someone is making a lot of money, certainly not the taxpayers
>all those dead US servicemen will have died for absolutely nothing
It's sad isn't it.
>Democrat who's retarded
We got like 3 going in including AOC
a better question is why do we even bother with a military anymore
there are 300 million guns in the US no one will conquer us, the only thing the military does is burn our tax dollars
Because glow niggers who run this country finance their shadow government with drug money and they gotta protect their cash crop.
We are there forever deal with it.
>civilians
You mean military aged males and support personnel loyal to the Taliban?
Who needs a good reason to kill vermin? It’s fun and makes the world a slightly better place.
A bunch of infantry or cav scout dudes have to walk through and count bodies.
>thinking America exists in an isolated bubble
So what, the world should just bow to us at all times over everything or face annhilation? Fuck yourself. You’re killing our country by not understanding how the world works you retard.
Enforce petrodollar arrangement. It’s not about invasion, it’s all about being able to print more and more money with most devaluation of our currency.
More often when there’s no coalition troops immediately available the remains are collected and then the locals, the police, then ISAF takes a look and comes up with a number. Usually everyone comes up with a different number for different reasons. The locals want reparations because losing family to coalition actions is like winning the ghetto lottery, the police will inflate numbers to help the locals (for a cut lol) or to make the coalition look bad, and the coalition willlook at the mess and approximate how many people the amassed squishy bits probably comprised using a matrix that some contractor (prolly PAE lol) got paid half a billion dollars for by double dipping in multiple gov and NGO solicitations.
The truth is how many Afghans died is irrelevant because their lives were always going to be pointless, putrid, and bleak. Ending them early is honestly a mercy.
So we keep spending even more absurd amounts of money?
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>The truth is how many Afghans died is irrelevant because their lives were always going to be pointless, putrid, and bleak.
It's irrelevant because it's war and there is always going to be collateral damage, something everyone seems to have forgotten over the years. The worth of their lives has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
There’s more cost effective alternatives to nationbuilding that could be employed.. but people whine and whinge over them so much that they are politically untenable currently. The time to nuke that fetid shithole was 2001-2002. Not that it hasn’t been useful as a 17 year long CALFEX, but seriously. Iraq is nicer and the fact most of the population is actually literate makes the locals actually somewhat trainable.
unless the other side does it, then its a big humanitarian crisis
A dead American or Italian or whatever is worth far more in practical and political terms than some terry or wife beating, boy-fucking, drug shooting, shit farmer.
Our opinions differ but neither of us are wrong.
You dont with the exception of perhaps the National Guard.
Funny comic but to note: America’s first conflict as a country was against Ottoman client states because they threatened American sovereignty and economic interests.
Frankly that’s what starts all wars.
So we have bases for the inevitable war with Iran.
Let's be frank.
The only reasons we were in Afghanistan, was to privatize their national resources and make them part of globalist paradigm. The biggest traffickers of drugs in the world was and still is the CIA who have been very busy in the opium production.
As long as there is a potential threat of bunch of angry rag head flip-flop wearers burning down the new central bank and taking back the country's now private resources, the US will remain indefinitely.
Iran will be toppled after Syria.
The FOBs in Afghanistan aren't structured in a way that would really help for a conventional conflict with Iran on a strategic or tactical level.
We would still enter the theater through Arifjan and Buehring in Kuwait.
opium
Afghanistan is pretty damn good at opium, hash, and kicking invaders in the fanny until they go home. Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Turks, the British Raj, the USSR, mother fucking NATO... Nobody takes the Afghan dope fields and escapes with their cunt un-punted.
>the Taliban are the bad guys why?
granted, they only finished a job started by other slimes
Not true, the special forces are doing great job there. The regular army yes not so much.
Throughout history, it's been the thorn in the side of every (not so) great empire.
It's good to get perspective.
the 1790s isn't the same as anything post-1974
> Oh look, people talking about things they know nothing about. Never change /pol.
While mostly true, Arena stays open for that exact purpose.
It keeps the war machine greased. The poppies are profitable and the experience is invaluable. It is unlikely it will ever stop being a permanently occupied conflict zone.
>the 1790s isn't the same as anything post-1974
No the globalist kikes did not have a strangled hold over the world with their central banking scheme.
Your historical knowledge is lacking and "grave of empires" is an unsupported meme that gets replicated through dumbasses that don't fact check
Lol, not really. The biggest chunk of why OEF has been so expensive is the cost of moving shit in and out. We’d deploy through Kuwait, yet again, and push through southern Iraq.. and who’s side Iraq would be on is complicated. The army might not contest US/Coalition forces but you can bet the PMF would want to.
Safer bet would be seeing fractional numbers of advisors and SOF heavily supported by CAS and ballistic missile strikes doing like we do in Syria, but probably with the Saudis involved. Kurds would be a big maybe and so would, MAYBE the Azeris.. but only because they’re still pretty butthurt over Iran supporting the Armenians in their last two Dustups.
That whole region of the world, from the Caucasus's to the Himalayas, is the fucking prolapsed anus of the planet earth.
Lol what natural resources? Heroin? Stunning move, 4.53 dolby digital dimensional chess people “blow hundreds of billions of dollars into a shithole country stuck in the 16th century for no discernible gain = global profits!!!”
The dividends are paying out and the shekels are ROLLING in goys!
If you actually believe this shit, you’re fucking retarded. Lol.
>Nobody takes the Afghan dope fields and escapes
The Taliban had outlawed poppy growth until the invasion happened, and when we first got there we tried to get them to grow something other than poppy but the Afghan farmers didn't want to because they wouldn't make anywhere near as much money.
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Ok, I'll ignore everything ever wrote by Robert Fisk and listen to you.
You think America are in Afghan for Durrhmocracy.
Good to know the apologist shills keep shilling.
There's a shit ton of rare earth minerals plus other metals.
Besides the fact its strategically important territory.
We are never going to leave.
I'm sad to say you are probably correct
The fact is, Afghanistan is much more the springboard of empires than a graveyard of empires. Numerous Scythian horseniggers and Turkic horseniggers and Iranians and even Greeks have conquered it quite successfully. The usual pattern was powerful and wild horsenigger tribes to come over the Pamirs and kick out the previous rulers, while the native "Pacytans" fought for whichever side was closer to their home and/or richer. Then in a few generations another wave of horseniggers kicks out the last wave. Rinse and repeat. The defeated tend to move into India, displacing the previous rulers there. India was a very desirable place to conquer, as it was quite wealthy(not per-cap obviously).
>Ok, I'll ignore everything ever wrote by Robert Fisk and listen to you.
I doubt Robert Fisk is as well-read as me on Central Asian history.
They’re consistent. Your average afghan male is 100% content to squat in his little qalat, eating organic rice and pomegranates, wiping his ass with rocks, beating his wife, molesting his children, smoking dope, romancing his favorite livestock, and periodically getting with a couple of his cousins to go fuck up some other village on the other side of the valley because their ancestors feuded over what initiated their own ancestor’s feud.
I say leave them to it.
Lol, you DO believe that silliness. Are you 18?
>There's a shit ton of rare earth minerals plus other metals.
All the mining rights got bought up the by Chinese already.
I don't think anyone knows why we are actually still there anymore, and at this point I honestly believe we are only staying to save face on the international stage.
Ever read 1984?
Of course not because then you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions.
do you have proof we are mining the minerals? or is it just more "MUH OIL" shit
Lol good to know you aren’t reading my posts.
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>>the 1790s isn't the same as anything post-1974
>No the globalist kikes did not have a strangled hold over the world with their central banking scheme.
I was talking about the petrodollar, not central banking. That's obviously important too and you are not wrong to bring it up, it's just not what my comment was about
>All the mining rights got bought up the by Chinese already.
That's a load of horseshit
We wouldn't honor it even if they had.
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Damn straight. Bribing people to grow other shit isn’t nearly as effective and publicly executing and displaying the dismembered corpses of offenders.
Savages only understand savagery.
Need a staging base for the next big pointless meme war to keep the war economy going we're going to have with Iran in 2 years.
It's a civil war between the Hazara and the Pashtun that started in 1996. We either need to Balkanize Afghanistan or just glass Helmand, Kandahar, and the Khyber pass
because those ragheads aren't going to kill themselves
We are still doing what we’re doing because we’re doing what we’re doing most people and systems don’t change and just do what they do
Sunk Cost Fallacy
Thanks for Kandahar, faggot you're the reason RC South turned into such a violent shithole you and the god damned bongs
Idk what # post, but best post.
More like the amount we spent would be wasted since China will move in like they did Africa and take all the resources, pay off the taliban/pakistan, grow the Afghan economy to insane levels, and make the US look retarded. Fact is the US has nothing to gain from a stable Afghanistan unlike they do from the current situation. China on the other hand wants a clear path for their railway to Europe and Afghanistan offers that along with trillions in natural resources (uranium, precious metals, minerals, oil, etc).
Honestly, the Afghans probably would have been better off with the USSR. Communism would have eventually died off, but look at the old countries that gained their independence like Azerbaijan, they are well off while Afghanistan crumbled under US support.
>That's a load of horseshit
You should probably catch up with the times kiddo.
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>An Afghan government spokesman dismissed the Taliban's invitation to develop Mes Aynak, which in 2008 was signed over to Metallurgical Group Corporation, a Chinese state-owned enterprise.
MCC-JCL got Mes Aynak, CNOCI and the Watan Group got the Amu River petroleum and gas zone.
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Second article is definitely interesting, but I don't think we're going to take materials without compensating Afghanistan. Interesting to read that China is trying to corner the market on some rare minerals, would be a stupid fucking thing to let that happen. Was a stupid fucking thing to let it get this far, apparently.
Thx for the source.
Azerbaijan has oil you fucking moron
For Israel
Afghanistan has definitely been a bane to empires past and present, but it does also receive a bit of an undeserved credit as the "Graveyard of Empires".
Look up Greek Bactria, how Russia and Britain drew modern Afghanistan's borders so they wouldn't have to border one another via India and Central Asia (although the afghans did win some concessions, which is hardly a merit), the Khanates in Afghanistan, Persian/Parthian interventions in the region, central Asian tribal invasions, and the original Muslim invasions of the region.
It stopped the USSR via USA supplied anti-helicopter stinger rocket launchers and it's holding down the USA because most of their leadership and fighters cross into Pakistan with impunity such as Osama bin Laden did
And as you said its history is about being more of a thorn than an empire killer
>Deal with the talibs
>Mining copper in one area
Yea its a load of horseshit. They've been trying to mine that area for the last decade.
All we care about is the rare earths
Its the graveyard of empires. We should never have gone in desu.
Holy fuck an educated pol poster
Gotta feed the poor military industrial complex and alternative of not being involved there would be worse for global stability.
Azebaijan has major oil resources. Most of central asian ex-soviet republics aren't doing that well and their natural resources aren't that big. They rely on Russian, Chinese and UN development aid to function.
>All we care about is the rare earths
Which are almost all in Taliban controlled Helmand province. It's Afghan government hot air being fed to our retarded government, a non-existent deal. Those REMs will never be mined unless we drive the Taliban completely out, which we haven't been able to do in almost 18 years of conflict.
China played the smart game because they already have a shit load of REM mining in their own territory, so they secured other assets, and with the Taliban's change to try to become recognized as a more legitimate political organization recently, their deal to assist Chinese development in the area only makes sense.
>Molesting his children
You watched too much Loli Hentai, Chink!
Denying muslims molest children is like denying gravity.
Name a better cause to die for; pro tip ya can't
>What are bachi bazzis
You haji fucks lie more than kikes
A safe future for white children
Most of those central asian countries have tribe based societies and they are perfectly happy that way. There is no jihad going on in those places and they don't particularly want (((resource development))). The only exception I can think of is Turkmenistan which is just a communist shithole.
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