Who don’t the US help Venezuela ?

This is why you have hyperinflation.
Noone is going to invest in a new place when everything is already set up ready to be used in China.
All the suppliers are there too, Venezuela produces almost nothing required to make apple phones at the quality they want.

Oil accounts for 96% of Venezuela’s exports, so when the price of crude collapsed in 2014, the economy took another major hit. According to the IMF, the Venezuelan economy shrank by 30% from 2013 through 2017, and the IMF is forecasting a fall in real GDP of 18 percent in 2018 alone. Government revenues have plummeted along with oil prices, and with fewer US dollars to spend on imports, there is a scarcity of many products

Why would Apple invest it's own money into a factory in Venezuela if the government there is just going to seize it?

Oil price crash in 2013 due to US fracking destroyed their economy which was entirely dependent on oil exports to the US. Iran, Russia and the Gulf Arab countries could handle it because they export to East Asia, Turkey and the EU and their economy isn't just 100% communist gibs so favela monkeys don't chimp out.

Why should we? We already help them why should we help more? I'm starting to think spics are worse than niggers.

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Why in the fuck would we bail out a communist shithole?
If we give them money the "democratic socialists" will just try to say Venezuela is a communist success story.

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They were dependant on oil prices and since they were socialist they seized the production and made it relatively ineffective so when the price crash came they were unprepared to handle it.

Monoculture plebs were essentially asking to go broke.

/thread and when the oil fell it really hit the gibs department
doesn't really help that their dispora goes into spain and votes for gibs there, colombia is taking them in and they're too scared to go into the amazon
bolsonaro should liberate venezuela, but idk

>If we give them money the "democratic socialists" will just try to say Venezuela is a communist success story.
And this is the main reason why you shouldnt bail em out
People dont seem to understand the difference between earning money and being given money so they think both are success stories

Yes, you are helping them by inflating prices in New York stock exchange and controlling their banks. Where do you think inflation comes from? Somebody has to raise the price. Venezuela buys from USA and their oil is sold by USA dollars.

Good. hope they all die for making Runescape's economy even worse

If Apple factory would produce apples that would improve Venezuela indeed. Producing stuff from foreigner American parts will only increase problems.

Venezuelans are not dark enough for UN to care. Only the niggest nogs get UN help

I also don't think Venezuleans would tolerate the work conditions Chinese are able to tolerate. They wouldn't need suicide nets in Venezuela, the Venezuelans would probably just riot and murder their managers and each other if they were pushed as hard as the Chinese are

Lol yes the US controls every other country's destiny. I can tell you're yuropoor from your reasoning.
The US last offered a hube aid package in 2016 where Maduro not only declined it but then decided it was wise to be an insulting little cunt. They and anyone else of a similar mindset can starve. I honestly don't care.

Money is the problem, money is inflating, surely the last think Venezuela needs is more dollars. They should ban dollars and inflation would disappear in second, but then they can't sell oil and buy American shit food for that money. The problem is whole money circulation, you sell oil for money, that's the problem. Nationalistic countries should produce products out of oil and have own internal money system outside of IMF and dollar conversion system. Of course you don't need money when you are nationalistic, you only need to create food and build things.

Of course you do. Oil is sold to dollars, you 100% control the inflation. Oil isn't used by Venezuela, it's sold elsewhere and you inflated their economy so they give you all their oil.

100% agree. It’s US’s fault for their economy downfall

China can compete in IMF monetary union, Venezuela can't, since they don't produce anything, they only sell and selling implies financial business, which is controlled by USA. You can't beat USA in dollar finances, for that to happen you would have to bribe Americans, not enough resources.

Das rite
None of you poor monkey people forget it

Economy doesn't matters, economy should go extinct. Economy is Bezos hiring more illegals and cheap labor and having more imaginary money in banks. Economy isn't needed. If you produce food, housing and clothing you don't care how inflated something is, since it doesn't bothers you. I own my house, my garden, my food, go ahead inflated economic and money by 100000%, doesn't affects me, only affects those who import something or have credits. My tomato and brick in my house is still the same old as any other day.

LOOKS LIKE DOG'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

Hear me out because it's a big brained idea but perhaps a socialist country shouldn't base their entire economy off of a single export. Crazy right? Next would you like me to explain why countries like Germany whose economy is 90%+ reliant on foreign trade will stagnate as an inevitability? It's revolutionary.

REAL COMMUNISM HASNT BEEN TRIED!
REEEEEEEEEE!

It would affect your neigh ors who will pilfer your garden and murder you. Societies, how do they work?

What Socialistic country?

Venezuela's political structure is identical to USA:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela
>Federal presidential constitutional republic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Venezuela
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Presidential_elections_in_Venezuela

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
>Federal presidential constitutional republic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state#States_of_the_United_States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elections_in_the_United_States
>President

Venezuela is a capitalistic country:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_economics
>Classical / Marxist conception, where socialism is a stage of economic development in which wage labour, private property in the means of production and monetary relations have been made redundant through the development of the productive forces
>Bank for International Settlements and the International Monetary Fund in the non-socialist world

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela
>The board set the US dollar exchange rate at 1,596 bolivares to the dollar for purchases and 1,600 to the dollar for sales.

Venezuela is part of IMF since beginning in 1946, no Socialistic country was part of IMF.

Socialism doesn't sells land:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_property_law
>Foreign investors are not allowed to buy land in China.

Dollar isn't legal in Socialism:
theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/27/cuba.gilestremlett
>The dollar was legalised in 1993 after the fall of the Soviet Union put the island in economic crisis and forced it to open up to tourism and foreign investment.
Which means you can't buy anything with dollars. In Venezuela you can buy everything with dollars.

poor socialists

Why don't you have a third world country with an abnormally high IQ for a third world country? Why don't you have only a sort of thieving government?

People won't invest in socialist shitholes, their factories will be seized and their investment would mean nothing. I'm sorry your government is a piece of shit and has poisoned your whole nation, it truly is a humanitarian tragedy.

Not our fault, not our problem, we'll send you some food water and shit tickets and let y'all sort it out.

No it wouldn't, since dollar doesn't exists in Socialism, so your stock market bullshit pricing doesn't affects my collective money. Soviet Union didn't had inflation. Inflation came in late 80ies when they established stock exchange and free market organizations.

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This isn't socialism's fault guys, it's because we didn't buy their oil.

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Of course it isn't, you just want to steal oil.

Socialism means increasing taxes until you can't, then printing the currency into hyperinflation. There is no commie regime that lasts for more than 70 years.

>it's not REAL socialism
>REAL socialism has no money or external trade

Socialism means you have 0 taxes. Capitalism means you have maximum taxes and inflation.

When was value added tax(DDV) invented:
uradni-list.si/glasilo-uradni-list-rs/vsebina?urlurid=20065012
>Ljubljana, dne 6. novembra 2006

After Socialism.

When were interests invented:
uradni-list.si/glasilo-uradni-list-rs/vsebina/1991-01-0830/sklep-o-nacinu-obracunavanja-zaracunavanja-in-placevanja-aktivnih-in-pasivnih-obresti-banke-slovenije
>Ljubljana, dne 28. oktobra 1991.
>Sklep o načinu obračunavanja, zaračunavanja in plačevanja aktivnih in pasivnih obresti Banke Slovenije
Translation:
>Decision on the method of calculation, charging and payment of the Bank of Slovenia's active and passive interest

After Socialism.

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They're stupid as fuck. You don't nationalize foreign companies without driving away foreign investment. They fucked themselves royally on this one. Why the hell should the US support any dictatorship? I'm still a bit miffed they support the Saudis.

No, Socialism has trade with Socialistic countries without embargo or tariffs, since Socialism doesn't works for profit. Socialism already owns 100% of land and housing, doesn't needs to buy it. I don't need to buy what i won you retard.

>Who don’t the US help Venezuela ?
Because Venezuela don't want to help themselves.

They had an election and they reelected the government that caused the problem.

The socialists are in power in Venezuela. It's a bad form of socialism that's quite hostile to business, but that's not the main cause of the problem.

The main cause of the problem is the government fixing the official value of the Bolivar against the US dollar. That prevents Venezuela from exporting its way out of trouble.

Doesn't matters who's in charge in Venezuela, only matters what laws they have. Same in USA, Donald Trump didn't change anything, since laws remain the same.
The main cause of problems are banks and money. It's money that is being inflated. If Venezuela had Socialism then they would pay money out of collective to workers who build with native material and the workers would then use that money to hire some other workers to build houses for them..etc. Money doesn't needs to go through banks, even less through IMF. China right now has system where some money goes to IMF, while other doesn't. USA money all goes through IMF, you sell everything, just like Venezuela.

Under no doctrine of socialism have I read
>Socialism has trade with Socialistic countries without embargo or tariffs
Socialism doesn't mean YOU own the land and neither does it mean the government owns the housing, Those are differences in systems but normally you never own the land.
>I don't need to buy what i won you retard
Of course you don't because socialism won't let you buy shit. You get the same gruel as every other slob and life in general sucks. You know how I know this? Every country that has tried this sucks.

lmao albania collapsed like every other foray into communism

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Donald Trump changed a ton of laws you buffoon.

Oh really, like what were those laws that reduced migration and improved native workers?

Albania is collapsed now, once they legalized religious retard of Islam.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Albania
>By May 1967, religious institutions had been forced to relinquish all 2,169 churches, mosques, cloisters, and shrines in Albania, many of which were converted into cultural centers for young people.
Albania became a migrant problem after Socialism when that real capitalism wasn't tried in 10 different countries where they migrated.

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Their economy collapsed. Communism is literally a guarantee that your economy will collapse.

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Communism didn't collapse, you attacked Yugoslavia and Soviet Union and Cuba and so on... + Socialistic leaders died and dumb Christians were elected who were promised dollars once they establish monetary unions with dollars.

>Of course you don't because socialism won't let you buy shit.

You could buy private property, furniture, cars etc. The USSR was a socialist country with the same class division as in capitalistic countries, something that is necessary even according to the former official doctrines as socialism was understood as "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his work." as opposed to "to each according to his needs" which would be communism. The USSR never reached communism.

>You get the same gruel as every other slob and life in general sucks.

Which was arguably an improvement for millions of people. Communism lifted millions out of poverty and slavery.

You get the same gruel as every other slob and life in general sucks.

Use a search engine you incredible idiot and he has changed more laws on immigration than anyone since the 1960s. His most recent and significant bill signed into law was his 4th so far against pedophiles, cp producers and human traffickers. His latest change on workers rights was the 2019 changes to the H1-B program setting higher restrictions and lowering caps. His most recent change on immigration reform is on defensive asylum and is currently in the courts. Please go on sharing with us the wealth of knowledge you and you alone seem to posses about the US, it's President and it's economic systems. You can't even define socialism correctly and already stated Venezuala and the US are identical in a multitude of ways.

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The US is an Israeli puppet state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_the_International_Monetary_Fund
>Since 1992 Ukraine has been a member of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
>Ukraine did officially become a member of the IMF and the World Bank on 3 September 1992.
>debt

You can't find article of monetary union without word debt, like you can't find article about American economy without word inflation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund
>The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is an international organization headquartered in Washington, D.C., of "189 countries working to foster global monetary cooperation

I agree the USSR never attained being truly communist because nobody does. Nobody can because everything collapses under varying degrees of socialism and them "allowing" you private property is the general problem. Seizing property can happen under any form of governance but under socialism it is to be expected. The USSR even made it a practice to seize food. Yes they started getting away from that but it still destroyed them.
Getting gruel everyday is an improvement only to the starving and if your country is starving, taking from those feeding themselves improves nothing.
>You get the same gruel as every other slob and life in general sucks.
This explains the communist mindset succinctly.

I said WHY.

All you said is how we would help YOU, what the fuck would it do for us you brain dead dirty commie.

>give me give me give me

All you dirty shit eating commies are the same

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

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Venezuela will get back on its feet by their onwn insteadon US welfare

why doesn't Spain murder the dumb spics incharge and reinstitute colonial rule. It was the Last time venezuela wasn't shit.

You replied to me claiming that ain't true.
Ok lets confirm your Donald Trump argument:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
>January 20, 2009 – January 20, 2017
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
>Assumed office January 20, 2017

ICE deportations:
2016: 240,255
2017: 226,119
>picture related

USA importations:
1.)Legal migrants:
dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2017/table1
>Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status
>2017 1,127,167
>2016 1,183,505
>2015 1,051,031
>2014 1,016,518
>2013 990,553
>2012 1,031,631
>2011 1,062,040
>2010 1,042,625
2.)Illegal migrants:
nextbigfuture.com/2017/02/california-could-pass-40-million-in.html
>The US Census has been estimating about 11-12 million illegals for nearly two decades. Ann Coulter is famous for estimating that there are 30 million illegals.

Donald Trump deported less people than Barack Obama.

You see you have more legal and illegal migrants than ever before in history and Donald Trump didn't deport jack shit. Keep watching your goy news how Donald Trump is scary deporter and believe it like the sheep you are. That's the same shit as when media tries to convince me some musician is good, i know right away that the music sucks, that's how i know what not to listen to.

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This. Economy is how to jew planned to take over the goyim. Read the Protocols. Economy is just speculation. Jew hates where there isn't expeculation

>I hate you.
>Give me a fuckton of money.

Not that strange nowadays...

40 years of communism in media and universities.

Portugal could self-sustain itself with own food if it wasn't for EU and GMO fields of glass and additionally more migrants and population that is needed. Country shouldn't have more people than they can feed with own production. Now everybody moved to main cities, left native production behind, exterminated fish, because capitalism doesn't renews anything. Now you will have to import food, exactly what they wanted.

Albania collapsed due to massive depts from a non-existant economy like every other communist economy.

You are a special kind of autist I see.
>Donald Trump didn't change anything, since laws remain the same.
To which I replied
>Donald Trump changed a ton of laws you buffoon.
Maybe you should get your comrades to help you move those goal posts.

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This. That is what happened in Venezuela. They are "starving" because there is a obvious overpopulation problem. That's why Vargpill must be taken at a wild rate.

Communism is incapable of producing equality. Any authoritarian ideology is incapable of producing equality because it hands more power to the state than the people. Your best producers don't want equality either because they can do better in a more merit based reward system and they know it. You have to crack down on dissidents constantly and build a wall to keep your productive people within your country. In essence it can't proceed to your end goal ideal because the smarter half of your population would rather have nice stuff. The USSR was just being pragmatic (in the same way every communist nation has) because the theories and ideas of communism are shitty.

>economy is speculation
AHAHAHAHAHHAH

No, every single producer is part of the economy. When you're digging ditches and barely feeding yourselves because all the producers fled your cannibalistic shit hole that's a collapsed economy.

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Yes, economy doesn't exists, because i don't need to buy food from supermarkets that are totally dependent on imports. I buy picture related, where i know exactly who produces it and where that person lives, not some dumbass brands made from zombie meat from India.

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it is obviously due to american embargo

There is fucking video evidence of people living in Yugoslavia shouting out to whatever fucking leader that communism has failed. It's easy to blame outsiders when you don't want to look inward.

Clearly communism can only work if a capitalist nation buys all their goods I guess AHAHAHAHAH

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that's because they relied on US welfare. And now they don't have the means to feed their population. But that will change naturally. Since tje US lost one vassal in the SA continent their assblast is offcharts.

Economy doesn't exist because you buy locally?
>the wealth and resources of a country or region, especially in terms of the production and consumption of goods and services.
Now I'm reduced to teaching you basic words. That's enough Jow Forums for the morning.

How ? By sending money or buying their stuffs ?
The only murica is good for is dropping bombs!

Do you want to US bomb that shithole called Venezuela to the stone age and install new pro western free and wealthy government ?

>I buy picture related

Congratulations, you are participating in the economy.

Are you huffing paint or are you really this fucking retarded? You honestly believe that the value of the dollar, which is relatively fucking stable, is driving the HYPER INFLATION of their own currency in their own local economy? Sorry bud, that’s not how things work.

Freedom Intensifies.

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That's nice, but UK and USA combined weren't even in diaper stage as developed as Yugoslavia you poorfag wageslave capitalistic moron. Nowadays people can't afford to buy a house or even go on vacation because of failed capitalism and their Christian retarded Judophilles and need their daily diarrhea sucking out of Jew as for credits.

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>Socialism means you have 0 taxes. Capitalism means you have maximum taxes and inflation.
Is that what Lenin said when going after kulaks, and then continuously changing the meaning of the word until every peasant with a microfarm was considered one? Or what Nikita said when seizing Ukranian grains and causing a major famine?
>inb4 we dindu nuthin we gud bois
If you want to know what an actual capitalist would say, read fucking Claude Frédéric Bastiat and stop spewing soviet propaganda.

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I told you already.
I vote in collective, pay worker money we store in collective, the worker builds me a house with native wood, he hires somebody else for that money. I don't need banks. American cucks on other hand can't get a simple salary without banks, you need employer to give money to banks and they giving you on your shitass private account where you then fear that inflation or debt will kill you. You are a failure, you don't know shit about economy. You take money before you even start working, that's your dumbass logic on Christian stupidity. Le magic god created money out of sky.

No, that's simple logic Christian retards don't understand. What you own you own, what you don't own gets taxes and debt. If i am sole owner of some Australia shit village i don't pay any goddamn tax, why would i pay to myself you fucking retard.

>What's 1+1? And don't say 2 because it hurts my fee fees.

So some gommie in the “collective” built the device you are using to shit up this thread with? Right?

Socialism is amazing, worked well in Zimbabwe, working well in Venezuela!

Everything is build by workers, nothing by bosses. Bezos can stick his billions up his pooper if nobody works for that money, then Amazon can't ship a single product.

Yes, it worked in your imaginary brains. Zimbabwe is fully privatized.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Commerce_(Tanzania)
>Barclays Africa Group 55.0

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barclays
>Barclays PLC /ˈbɑːrkliz/ is a British multinational bank and financial services company headquartered in London.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBZ_Holdings
>Commercial Bank of Zimbabwe Holdings Limited is a large financial services provider in Zimbabwe, with an asset base in excess of US$595 million, and shareholders'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Monetary_Union
>all countries of Africa

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Reserve_Bank
>Formulating and implementing monetary policy
>The Reserve Bank is privately owned, with 2 million issued shares and their currency is literally dollar.

This is Zimbabwe currency you uneducated monkey of Christianity.

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Venuezuala is the enemy of the US and decency for that matter. The country needs sterilization.

The fact that you think Apple's factory location is decided by the American government is why you'll always be a stupid fucking communist. Uninstall life.

JEREMY CORBIN NATIONALIZED MY HAMSTER

I’ll answer for you then dumbass. No, the device you are using was built by a profit-seeking (capitalist to you commie fucktards) company that pays the workers in some form of fiat currency. You want to go full gommie you have to stop participating in the global economy. So, please destroy that ebil capitalist device and never come back.

Because the war on socialism is over, member? They got this. Who does everyone bitch about the USA being the world police that needs to stop but then cry for them to be the world police for shithole countries in the same breath?