You have to account for the fact that we already live in post-scarcity, and the creation of bullshit jobs and forced labor is a way to continue the old feudal paradigm of enslavement
people's jobs are superfluous, yes. We're a culture of consumers who need little trinkets to keep the peace. Someone designs the plastic or rubber garbage, someone tests it, someone fabricates it, someone packages it, then someone delivers it to someone with less sense than money who feels an almost supernatural compulsion to buy stupid shit. There's plenty of jobs that merely exist because people need work and not because anyone needs or really benefits from the end product. If you eliminated half of all jobs tomorrow society would still function just fine
I was told in the future we would only have to work 2 hours a day 30 years later were working just as hard as then
jobs are created just to keep people exhausted, stop them from reproducing, placate the masses, and have no real impact on society
>In 1930 Keynes predicted that technology would have advanced sufficiently by century’s end that countries like UK or the US would achieve a 15-hour work week There’s every reason to believe he was right In technological terms, we are quite capable of this. And yet it didn’t happen. Instead, technology has been marshaled, if anything, to figure out ways to make us all work more. In order to achieve this jobs have had to be created that are, effectively pointless Huge swathes of people, in EU and NA in particular, spend their entire working lives performing tasks they secretly believe do not really need to be performed The moral and spiritual damage that comes from this situation is profound It is a scar across our collective soul Yet virtually no one talks about it
100 yrs ago futurists promised that by the turn of the millennium, we'd only be working 5 hours a week and would have an abundance of time to pursue our interests the future sucks
Aye, but that's because the futurists lost in the end. (((capitalism))) won.
Michael Bailey
>post-scarcity Stopped reading here.
Camden Gray
Once you start measuring your work in terms of (((Quality Time))) you lose your humanity. You start investing more of your soul into your job than your family.
that's because you subsidise the III world. and we in the II world need to buy your shit at inflated prices in order for you to subsidise the III world
Bentley Flores
Keynes was right, he just didn't account for the Jew induced financial corruption that prevents white societies from living up to their full potential.
Jordan Edwards
if people wont be occupied by society through work by may become anti social
>One hasn’t understood anything about the political character of the economy until they’ve seen that what it hinges on as far as labor is concerned is not so much producing commodities as it is producing workers—which is to say, a certain relationship with oneself, with the world, and with others. Waged labor was the form by which a certain order was maintained. The fundamental violence it contains, the violence that is obscured by the broken-down body of the assembly-line worker, the miner killed in a methane explosion, or the burnout of employees under extreme managerial pressure, has to do with the meaning of life. By selling their time, by turning themselves into the subject of the thing they’re employed to do, the wage worker places the meaning of their existence in the hands of those who care nothing about them, indeed whose purpose is to ride roughshod over them. The wage system has enabled generations of men and women to live while evading the question of life’s meaning, by “making themselves useful,” by “making a career,” by “serving.” The wage worker has always been free to postpone this question till later—till retirement, let’s say—while leading an honorable social life. And since it is apparently “too late” to raise it once retired, all that’s left to do is to wait patiently for death. We will thus have been able to spend an entire life without entering into existence. There is a good reason why Munch’s painting, The Scream, portrays, still today, the true face of contemporary humanity. What this desperate individual on their jetty doesn’t find is an answer to the question, “How am I to live?”
>Even if a universal basic income is established one day, as so many liberal economists recommend, its amount would need to be large enough to keep a person from dying of hunger, but utterly insufficient to live on, even frugally. We are witnessing a change of regime within economy. The majestic figure of the Worker is being succeeded by the puny figure of the Needy Opportunist [le Crevard]—because if money and control are to infiltrate everywhere, it’s necessary for money to be lacking everywhere. Henceforth, everything must be an occasion for generating a little money, a little value, for earning “a little cash.” The present technological offensive should also be understood as a way to occupy and valorize those who can no longer be exploited through waged labor. What is too quickly described as the Uberization of the world, unfolds in two different ways. Thus on the one hand you have Uber, Deliveroo and the like, that unskilled job opportunity requiring only one’s old machine as capital. Every driver is free to self-exploit as much as they like, knowing that they must roll around fifty hours a week to earn the equivalent of the minimum wage. And then there are Airbnb, BlaBlaCar, dating sites, “coworking,” and now even “cohoming” or “costorage,” and all the applications that enable the sphere of the valorizable to be extended to infinity. What is involved with the “collaborative economy,” with its inexhaustible possibilities of valorization, is not just a mutation of life—it’s a mutation of the possible, a mutation of the norm.
Jaxon Bailey
>Before Airbnb, an unoccupied room was a “guest room” or a room available for a new use; now it’s a loss of income. Before BlaBlaCar, a solo drive in one’s car was an occasion to daydream, or pick up a hitchhiker, or whatever, but now it’s a missed chance to make a little money, and hence a scandal, economically speaking. What one gave to recycling or to friends one now sells on Le bon coin. It’s expected that always and from every point of view one will be engaged in calculating. That the fear of “missing an opportunity” will goad us forward in life. The important thing is not working for one euro an hour or making a few pennies by scanning contents for Amazon Mechanical Turk, but where this participation might lead someday. Henceforth everything must enter into the sphere of profitability. Everything in life becomes valorizable, even its trash. And we ourselves are becoming needy opportunists, human trash, who exploit each other under the pretext of a “sharing economy.” If a growing share of the population is destined to be excluded from the wage system this is not in order to allow it the leisure to go hunt Pokemons in the morning and to fish in the afternoon. The invention of new markets where one didn’t imagine them to be the year before illustrates this fact that is so difficult to explain to a Marxist: capitalism doesn’t so much consist in selling what is produced as in rendering accountable whatever is not yet accountable, in assigning a measureable worth to what seemed to be absolutely unsusceptible to that the day before, in creating new markets. That is its oceanic reserve of accumulation. Capitalism is the universal expansion of measurement.
Noah Evans
>The risk is that humans might devise an unforeseen use of their time and their life, that they might even take to heart the question of its meaning. Those in charge have even made sure, therefore, that we humans having the leisure are not at liberty to make use of it as we please. It’s as if we needed to work more as consumers in proportion as we work less as producers. As if consumption no longer signified a satisfaction, but rather a social obligation. Moreover, the technological equipment of leisure increasingly resembles that of labor. While in our fooling around on the Internet all our clicks produce the data that the GAFA resell, work is tricked out with all the enticements of gaming by introducing scores, levels, bonuses and other infantilizing caveats. Instead of seeing the current security push and the orgy of surveillance as a response to the September 11 attacks, it would not be unreasonable to see them as a response to the economically established fact that it was precisely in 2000 that technological innovation started to decrease the volume of job offerings. It’s now necessary to be able to monitor en masse all our activities, all our communications, all our gestures, to place cameras and sensors everywhere, because wage-earning discipline no longer suffices for controlling the population. It’s only to a population totally under control that one can dream of offering a universal basic income.
Tyler Anderson
>people a hundred years ago promised me less work and a hover board, wtf get over it. just bc your job is pointless doesn't mean most work isn't. go climb a mt or whatever gives you fulfillment, hippie
Brody Nguyen
>not because anyone needs or really benefits from the end product Want and need are subjective. What authority do you have to claim that your vision of what people want and need for themselves should supersede their own?
Matthew Fisher
dmn shit's fucked yo
Brody Brown
That is a large HD television for $128. Put that in terms of hours to work. 12-13 hours? less than two days of normal work to get that? Just think about the minerals and oil and plastics used to make it. 100 years ago, the glass panel alone was probably 2 days of labor in terms of buying power.
Evan Brown
most jobs are extremely meaningless and pointless 60 years ago a worker at a factory, who, even though he was exploited, could at least point at a thing he and others mad like a refrigerator or a car, or a a piece of furniture. now days people do almost nothing of meaning - like service. absolute bullshit. and in the coming years even this bullshit will go away due to automation
All you are doing is complaining that the divisions of labor are getting smaller and more specialized.
Henry Walker
now i dont feel so bad for being a neet
Nathan Walker
Same.
Noah Morales
its not even that. its that there is no point at all of being, say, a security gourd or working at a call center
Owen Sanchez
tough day at work OP?
Nathaniel Morris
>no point of being a security guard Gosh, that sure makes me think some thunks.
Landon Hughes
Wow so enlightened you are. >Trying to sell a product or invention. >Protecting private property. These are totally worthless jobs. You probably have some stupid idea of what "life used to be like." You think that there wasn't division of labor going back to even pre Roman times? You think the farmer grew, milled, and baked his own grain or did jobs like miller and baker exist?
Owen Morgan
This is why you work to be good at something that can't be replaced. I'm a client-facing software engineer. Good luck replacing me in the next 200 years.
I dont get the meme that people think jobs are 'made up'. They exist to serve a need, if said need didn't exist, business owners would be much happier to not pay an extra salary and thus have an increased bottom line.
Anthony Moore
Do you have a job, user ?
Blake Barnes
software engineers could be replaced easily in the next decades by algorithm, they already out preform doctors, stoke brokers and pilots. actually an algorithm is just that - a software that write itself
Evan Kelly
the idea of scarcity is prevalent, actual scarcity is non-existent
James Flores
And what happens when the end-user fucks up an input and the algorithm is bricked?
Benjamin Stewart
That would take a day and half to acquire (with 10% discount)
at roman times you had artisans. the technologies they operated were crude, yet their skills compensated for that.
who makes forfeitures now day? almost no one its all being produced by machines in IKEA factories and the like. it used to be that people carved the wood themselves. not its all shit that people use for a couple of years or so and throw it away. furniture used to be passed on from one generation to the next. human skill was important. technology destroys that, it takes very little skill to fly a plane nowadays, a pilot now days fly only about 15 minutes on every given flight
Jonathan Gray
its all temporary bugs within the system. in old enough to remember how windows 98 operated. it used to have an error every other day. the windows i have now has an error one every 6 months
Jeremiah Gray
>my software rarely has an error = no need for software engineers
Btfo modern society
Evan Russell
you pointed out that software errors are common.
im saying that those bugs will be fixed in time. all new technology has its bugs at first
Jason Garcia
Yes and who fixes said issues? The shift towards automation destroys some jobs, but also creates many others.
Austin Parker
just take ten minutes and watch this video. its not all about winning an argument you know..
Brandon Parker
Autopilot turns off whenever a sensor fails/ices over at 30,000 feet. Constant supervision is required for aircraft, especially when your average 737 runs on 500+ different systems at a given moment.
Mason Parker
>actually an algorithm is just that - a software that write itself What the hell are you talking about?
I wish your first sentence was right, my job would be much easier if I could automate the technical shit. However, that won't happen. A computer can only do exactly what you tell it to do -- no computer will ever be able to just "figure it out" without you first giving it the correct instructions that it ultimately needs.
Jackson Wilson
>ikea furniture
yeah maybe when you're 22, after that you learn to never buy that shit. Any furniture you buy as an adult will probably be handmade, unless you want to buy new furniture every other year.
Juan Martin
>I was told in the future we would only have to work 2 hours a day 30 years later were working just as hard as then >100 yrs ago futurists promised that by the turn of the millennium, we'd only be working 5 hours a week that's the joke user, productivity has risen so much that you are working 5 hours a week for to produce more wealth than an 80 hour week 100 years ago, but you don't get any of that extra wealth, and what little you do get to keep is quickly siphoned off by our rentier based economy
Carson Nelson
ok, but my point is that those are temporary human interventions, as the technology develops further the will no longer be need for that, even now some companies are seriously considering having no human pilot on board.
even if people be comprehensive about boarding a plane with no pilot the companies will hire some low skill pilot, a dummy really, who will just seat there to ease the anxiety of the passengers and becouse the human "pilot" wont have skill the companies will pay him very little. hence piloting will be a low paying meaningless job
this computer is not even connected to the internet - now it helps diagnose cancer at hospitals. its just a matter of time that it will outperform human doctors at that
Lucas Rodriguez
>You think the farmer grew, milled, and baked his own grain or did jobs like miller and baker exist? millers did not become a separate category of people until the mid 13th-14th century. yes farmers milled their own grain for most of history
Thomas Perez
>its called AI you know this shit is my profession?
Any "AI" system that you'll see anywhere is not the AI you're imagining, or that you see in movies, which is known as "general intelligence", ie a computer that can think for itself. It's a system of logical loops that finds correlations between data sets, and (for lack of a better word) picks the most likely or efficient answer.
It will not ever do anything unless a human gives it the right input or the right functionality to do so.
>its not even connected to the internet Is there any reason it needs to be?
Watch less youtube and read some textbooks, user. This is shit we've known for a decade.
Asher Baker
Competition alone will drive us to work long hours, it isnt about what we have, it's what we have compared to everyone else.
