Why is Global Warming/Climate Change a Leftist Issue?

I am a conservative and consider the preservation of the planet to be the utmost important issue that we face. I am Sikh and don't eat meat, serve my country, respect religion and tradition, family and the planet. I just find it odd when any conservative does not at least want to practice restraint with regards to the planet.

Can you guys help me out? What am I missing?

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What issue?

Climate change. I am wondering why conservatives are always opposed to it. Shouldn't we be for preserving the planet?

>Climate change
You mean like the change in seasons?

It's not that they aren't, it's they're forced to take up the opposite side of the argument. No one wants to meet in the middle anymore so they're forced to take the extremes.

Me personally, I'm also conservative and I also believe in environmental protection. I can't tell anyone this because they automatically counter my statement with banning all forms of fossil fuels ect ect.

No, brother, I am speaking of the overall change in the larger trends of climate. How it is measurably getting hotter around the planet.

its simple

its a distraction from real problems
its gives power of endless taxation to a transnational body
the gives control over nation states
its not really a problem to be solved

its perfect for globalism

> I am Sikh

The absolute state of /pol.

>I am speaking of the overall change in the larger trends of climate.

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the problem is the left uses it as an excuse to tax, if they actually wanted to solve problems and if was actually and imminent they'd be open to the construction of nuclear power plants

>How it is measurably getting hotter around the planet.

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After Armageddon we get a new Earth. I don't give a fuck about this one. Accelerationism is kino.

>I am Sikh
Yeah you're sikh alright, sikh in the head

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ok I get it sorry jeez

I am right of centre on the political spectrum with regards to most things, I am also in favour of environmental conservation. There are some efforts out where I live to lessen the amount of clearcuts on the mountain near where I live.

It's actually quite sad to look at satellite imagery of British Columbia as this province has already lost much of its old growth forests.

This tree is a Douglas Fir from the 15th century, it somehow survived the big forest fire that took out most of the trees in the region in the 1880's as well as the logging of the last century and a half...it was actually only discovered in the last 20 years.

Read some Pentti Linkola if you haven't already yet OP.

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Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. There ARE issue where we can agree with the liberals on and the planet is the biggest.

I am just frustrated by the whole "conservative = climate change doesn't exist".

I've had people tell me that I'm not a true conservative if I believe in climate change.

Change in climate IS NOT the same as a global warming, which is not the same as antropmorphic global warming, which is not the same as man made climate change, which is not the same as anthropomorphic green house effect.

More like, trash

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Yep its just another way to get more government control and, they hope, loss of sovereignty.

Sometimes it is amusing to point out to leftists how devastating mass migration is for the ecosystem...it is especially lulzy when one has photographic evidence to back up such assertions.

>Can you guys help me out? What am I missing?
You are missing that the Left in general can't get past their own first impression of anything. This is followed by a projection of feelings and bandwagonning to get other's in line.
Take the California fires, for example. These are 100% preventable with proper forestry management. 100%. The problem is that people planted eucalyptus amid conifers and tar-bearing grasses then have refused to do any real management of the ensuing biomass.
>this is what you get with fuel buildup
>this is happens when you build houses directly under tree cover
>this is what happens when land is managed by delusional hippies
>this is what happens when you only put fires out and don't engineer fire breaks at the county level
>this is California eating itself
>and that's a good thing

It's racist to tell Mexicans to stop littering & using hundreds of gallons of chemical fertilizers in national parks to grow weed.
Gotta have priorities.

No it isnt... you whiney baby.

California has strict auto regs to slow down climate change

But Republicans cry because its anti business.

Not a tax. If you or any other Republican wants to make legislation on how to prevent emissions in the future, great. But you're not now. The only thing happening is the right over the last 2o years has slowly had to accept that climate change is real and now plays mental gymnastics games ( like this " the only thing the left cares about climate change for is to make unlimited taxes") by saying it isn't man made...

Because they use it as an excuse to tax people more. That’s what they really want.

Climate change is a meme designed to transfer wealth from western countries to third world shitholes.

Here's your redpill.

Climate change is regulated by the Sun. It produces multiple times Man's potential energy output on Earth daily. Every Climate change model is based off energy from the sun being trapped.

These models hold the sun at a static output. What's less discussed is the sun's cycles. The 11/22 year cycles (Minimum to Maximum) as well as a 350-400 year Maunder Minimum Cycle, and possibly a longer cycle we do not yet understand.

Any way you lay it out though, the longer trend of energy output is weakening, so if we can trap more energy through co2, this may be a good thing. Cold periods create famine. Warming will expand farm lands and lead to less war as a result.

Why isn't this talked about? It breaks the 4th wall of political power. Was it Obama's mediocre policies that led to a weak economic recovery? What was different about the solar cycle during his presidency? What was the solar cycle doing during recessions? Telling the truth about the Sun weakens your political clout, as your policies are really just window dressing.

It's a leftist issue because the false dichotomy we're given has leftist solutions and nothing else. We live in a kiked civilization and nothing about that is going to change any time soon.

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It's a leftist issue because their solution is to increase the managerial state. Which means more convoluted and complex systems of bureaucracy until we are left with tyranny without a single identifiable tyrant. The reality is that it isn't about saving the planet; it is about power.
Reducing immigration into developed countries would help in reducing pollution, but the left is for wide open immigration. the left's whole platform doesn't in reality make coherent sense because it is purely ideological. It is gaining power through continuous revolution.

global warming is a direct result of colder winters

The earth is dying and no one will give a fuck until it’s too late.

>California has strict auto regs to slow down climate change
But they aren't actively trying to produce an alternative. All they are doing is making things harder for the poor while subsidizing the rich.

This

Save us you evil wypipo

the earth is starved for CO2, things are not what they are telling you. there is no man made climate change it is caused by the sun. look up the levels of CO2 for the past few thousand years

>The earth is dying
No. the earth will be fine for many centuries. This is some weird death cult stuff.

Well nonwhites are putting in quite the effort

>consider the preservation of the planet to be the utmost important issue that we face.
If you are only worried about the well being about the planet, than you do not need to worry at all. You worrying about the planet makes as much sense as an ant with a life span of a few days worrying about the well being of a human skyscraper.

>No, brother, I am speaking of the overall change in the larger trends of climate.
I think you should spend more time learning about the geological history of this planet. Please realize that we are currently living in an Ice Age, specifically an interglacial event where the planet is SUPPOSED to be getting hotter. It's not even as hot as the previous interglacial either.

The planet is not going to "die" because of climate change. There have been times on the planet when palm trees grew above the arctic circle and times when frozen ice sheets reached down to Texas.

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its golabalist agenda
whats called 'leftists' today are nothing but braindead globalists pawns

real leftists are protesting against 'climate change' tax in the streets

why would you advocate for usage of pollutants over clean energy is beyond me. Except the people that have their own personal gain in it.

This is just pure contrarianism.

>California has strict auto regs to slow down climate change
Hahahahaha.
Do you have any idea how much those regs will slow down anything? Nada. Zilch. Nothing. Even using the IPCC's own numbers and projections.
Go find some Bjorn Lomborg videos and educate yourself, my friend.

Basically because people don't want to give up their oil, so the right cherry picks its data to allow them to continue burning coal.

Because their solution is more government, more taxes. When in reality these things wont do a fucking thing except make the rest of our lives worse. Then when you understand how much the sun has to do with the earth's climate you can see how silly the whole thing is and it's just another ploy by scam artists to make money by selling snake oil to gullible dupes.

Does anyone remember the last time they heard about the hole in the ozone layer, or peak oil, or CFCs? These shills have been predicting the end of the world and it still hasn't happened, now they're so desperate and the people who believe this garbage are so gullible they're actually saying global warming is the cause of the cooling climate and increased snowfall. No mention of cosmic rays and their effects on cloud formation and volcanic activity. No mention of the sun's cycles and the correlation between sunspot activity and average temperatures on earth. They're talking about a tiny sliver of a very complex system and blaming humanity for it by traumatizing children in public school with propaganda. It's become a fucking religion, nothing to do with science.

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>clean energy
oh you sweet summer child

get a clue, they've just signed a motion to tax people in 1st world and give money to 3rd world (who pollutes more)
lucky for you USA didnt sign this shit

Also the oceans. There are cycles and oscillations that last tens, hundreds and thousands of years, moving colder and warmer water up, down and around the planet. The oceans have a thousand times the heat carrying capacity of the air - noticed how quickly it gets cold at night, and how the ocean stays the same?
Between the sun and the oceans, there's enough natural variability to outweigh any effect of man-made CO2.

>why would you advocate for usage of pollutants

Are you talking about CO2? Carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant. It's literally the building block of all life on this planet. 95% of a tree is made of CO2. Plants require a bare minimum of CO2 to even function. More CO2 means more plant growth. More plant growth means more animal growth.

Think about it this way, all the fossil fuels we are pumping up are dead biological matter from years ago. We are releasing it from underground to make it bio-available again. Have you ever considered what would have happened to this planet if biological matter kept ending up underground? If it kept getting locked up underground, eventually there would not be enough CO2 on the planet to sustain the life cycle and biological life would slow down and eventually stop.

Human mining of fossil fuels is no different than a fungus breaking down the carcass of a dead animal. It fulfills a crucial job in the biosphere of breaking down complex molecules and liberating them as bio-available foods for other animals.

Your leftist solutions wont work and is pretty much only used as narrative to destroy our countries. So fuck off.

Yeah that's the meme these warmist fearmongers dupe you gullible retards with. What's amazing is it actually works. You should feel ashamed for being so dumb.

>Are you talking about CO2? Carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant.


Well in that case I'm clearly not talking about CO2, am I?

If the world did not end during the previous interglacial event which was hotter than today, there's no reason for me to believe it is going to end now.

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Notice how the distance between these periods is similar. It's a repeating cycle, that's very plain to see.

CO2 makes the plants healthy

>Basically because people don't want to give up their oil
You keep assuming this is an issue the government can solve in some meaningful way. This will have to be a solution people come up with on their own.

Pointing out how the lower class and immigrants are the driving force of climate change breaks liberals. They usually counter the argument with saying that capitalism and industry is the cause of it all, but industries and businesses are churning out mass products FOR the lower class, who buy all the cheap bullshit. Talk to them about lowering the population to cut back on demand, and they'll say "BUT THAT WOULD HURT THE ECONOMY".

I honestly don't see how a liberal can be pro immigration.

Well, you know what happens in the next cycle

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no civilization before us has given a rats ass about climate change, yet here we are

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>Basically people don't want to roll over and die on the streets so superstitious low-IQ non-condom users can flood the world with billions of people who will ultimately have to roll over and die in the streets.

To be a leftist today requires a lot of conditioning to make them blind to their hypocrisy. The perfect useful idiot.

They already picked their side and won't change it even if you present evidence to them. They are like the people described by that KGB man.

Good. All those places need freezing to death.

>Why is Global Warming/Climate Change a Leftist Issue?

Because you faggots, betas, wahmen, and, niggers are the ones dumb enough to believe this stupid con. Shit for brains.

Because it's a scam?

This was the part that always bothered me most. They are taking all these "measures" which will have what impact exactly????
But they want to do actually even more, and basically have globo-primitive communism. But, to what effect?
Couldn't say.

...but the global warmingists are talking about CO2, user.

Because big corps pay conservative politicians more for 'deregulation' and other shit while liberals were misled by the 'evils' of nuclear power.

It's only considered "Leftist" in America.
In Europe especially Christian Democrats are very concerned about the environment, which they view as a gift from God they are supposed to take care of.

Because global warming is utilized by the left to justify big government and busybodying nanny-state rule.

>Hey we've got climate change so we need to figure out how to adapt. We could encourage planting mangroves and offshore barrier reefs, gradually encourage efficiencies with tax breaks and use the carrot not the stick.
Will not scare off conservatives. Will scare off NIMBY liberals when it comes to mangroves and offshore changes (barrier reefs and such)

>Hey we've got climate change so we need to aggressively punish fossil fuel industries, prop up renewables with lots of subsidies, tell you what products you can and cannot use, tell you what efficiency you are mandated to have, mandate that you do X mandate that you do Y.
Will sscare off conservatives

Ultimately the sky is falling "WE HAVE TO DO RAPID CHANGE AND WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW" shit wards off a lot of us who are lukewarm on climate change. We know it is happening but are skeptical about rapid changes that may do more harm than good. If you think that skepticism is misplaced, I need not remind you how the Malthusianism of the past with The Population Bomb was 100% wrong. Not a bit wrong, not a bit off, EVERY PREDICTION IT MADE WAS DISPROVEN. EVERY ONE. And what it promoted as solutions was dystopian shit of forced sterilization, punitive measures against anyone having more than 1 or 2 kids, ect.

So tl;dr is

The idea that "conservatives" don't care about the environment is just a straw man liberals have been propping up since the 60s to justify their utopian socialist goals. Liberals also created the meme that all big corporations are run by republicans who like clubbing seals and dumping toxins into clear streams.

In truth most regular normal conservatives and republicans are trying to preserve the environment but they do it on an individual level and liberals are inherently collectivists so they cant comprehend or imagine that PEOPLE BY THEMSELVES could protect their own small piece of the world. It's called usufruct and the founding fathers though it was a good idea... that's largely what CONSERVitive means...

"Give up their oil" would reduce the poor and middle class across the world into less than third world conditions. Fuck off with the "ebil gas companies jacking off while they ruin the world". You'd notice your quality of life nosedive into the ground if you had to practice what you preach.

>eurocucks
>Christian
yeah... no

Our Christians are far more devote than yours.

They don't let shops open on Sundays or let women vote.
American "Christians" commit sins continuously.

The issue of "climate change" or whatever you want to call it was first discovered about 200 years ago. It only became a divisive political issue in the 1960s/70s when the environmental movement figured out they could use this globe-spanning issue to enact their agenda everywhere. Before then, environmentalism was more about protecting an endangered species, keeping developers from damming a river that would destroy a scenic valley, or preserving some wetlands for bird migration. Since, it's been about "saving the planet", and why would you ever reduce your scale when you have the whole world to save?

The problem in the US is that issues get polarized. Environmentalists are in the Democrat big-tent, so their issues get lumped in with other leftist issues. So, conservatives generally oppose environmentalism. It's more complex than that, though. Leftist environmentalism is ultimately about deindustrializing the West, and the US in particular. Look at the Paris Climate Agreement. By the admission of the people who wrote it, it won't actually do anything to mitigate climate change. But it DOES cap US/EU emissions at below modern rates while allowing China, Russia, an India to GROW their emission rates until 2030 in an unlimited manner. So all this deal was designed to to was move more factories and industry into the developing world at the expense of the developed world.

When conservatives see this agenda laid bare, there's really no common ground with de-industrialists who masquerade as environmentalists. I'm sure many actually do care about the environment, but when push comes to shove with them it's about sharing the global wealth, not saving the planet. Conservatives know that when you let the environmentalists into the process, they immediately want to ban logging and mining, raise taxes on power generation, enact renewable standards, etc. Environmentalists' end goals prevent cooperation with conservatives.

except they think "taking care" means eliminating any evidence of human existence. Why are they so focused on carbon taxes? CO2 is not pollution it is a natural product and a necessary component for life. plus if they can tax the carbon you "use" why cant they tax the carbon you're made of? remember human beings are MADE OF CARBON?! They are literally taxing you for existence. What happens when you can't pay your taxes on the CO2 you breathe out every moment of every day? YOU FILTHY POLLUTION HOLE

>Why is Global Warming/Climate Change a Leftist Issue?
First because catastrophic climate change is a myth used by the left to demand more government control with the end goal of shutting down industry for the west and implementing unending carbon taxes that are just an excuse of 'fighting climate change'.

When in reality most of those incidents like you show in your photo are more the result of shit forest management. It's not mythical climate change that's somehow making all the forest just randomly burst into flames. And the really tragic thing is that there IS problems with environmental damage, but no one in the government really gives a shit about them because most of them involve cleaning up toxic waste that the government can't really easily tax and make money off of/

>Everything I disagree with is fearmongering and data I don't like is fudged
>Kalergi plan btw
There's plenty. To start
>Ban fossil fuels for everything but space travel
>Subsidise nuclear power
Not to mention general awareness can
>Reduce consumption of fossil fuels and onions(-fed meat)
>Promote big companies to use better energy sources
>Improve research to make renewable energy more efficient
>Increase incentive for space colonisation for more nuclear fuel

You know what chaps my ass the most? Liberals point their fingers at oil ONLY. Oil, oil, oil, the big bad scary oil, the cause of all our woes. If everything was electric, there would be no more problems.

Does anyone here know how damaging to the environment a chicken farm is? Or what is happening to the ground by paving mass amounts of it in a city? Or that the very ground we grow our food in is LESS nutritious than it used to be? Our food contains LESS vitamins than before? And that's not because of it being """GMO""".

Every crisis facing our planet would go away with population control.

It's not that we don't care. It's that we do what we can. We research, we find out that that one super tanker ship emits as much harmful gas as 50 million cars and that the 16 biggest cargo ships in the world emits more than all the cars in the world combined. So what we do is we stop buying cheap shit from the other side of the world and buy things that are high quality and produced close by. We don't virtue signal and buy an electric car that is horrible for the environment to produce and that is powered by electricity from a coal plant. We don't eat avocado and cashew nuts, harvested by slaves and shipped across the world. Instead we slaughter one cow and get 200kg of meat, which is about 2200 hamburgers. A big American breed can give you 4500 hamburgers on one cow. That's environmentally friendly.

>except they think "taking care" means eliminating any evidence of human existence.

You clearly know nothing about the Christian Democrats.
Also maybe read the Bible before posting more?

>Everything I disagree with is fearmongering and data I don't like is fudged
Yeah, that's exactly what YOU are saying, and you're such a dumb blind hypocrite you don't realize it.
>Ban fossil fuels
Well there goes the economy, I hope you like living like a nigger in Africa.
All the rest of your shit suggestions are naive and infantile, and you don't realize that because you are a moron who has been abducted into a religion.

That is true in general if you take the Dalton Minimum as your reference point.If your reference point is the minoan optimum its wrong.The trend goes south.
The next question of course is what is the real temperature of world climate.Thats something the anthropogenic climate change faction cannot say or prove because they have no actual working model to predict the climate.
They just say its anthropogenic CO2 and blame everything on it.

What climate change deniers do not fathom is the the rate at which man-made global warming is happening FAR exceeds any natural variation that's happening parallel.

The real redpill is that the point of no return has come and gone already.

So basically some dystopian future. Have fun starving to death airstrip one. This will do nothing because the rest of the world doesn't care if you kill yourself.

It's a leftist thing because leftists make memes out of it and use it solely for their narratives and not even because they believe in it themselves. Yes, tell me more about how you oppose climate change while you flew yourself and your friends here on a private jet.

If you don't practice what you preach you're full of it, that goes for anything. The left uses climate change as a narrative for population control (ignoring they're not controlling minority populations who will just drive cars with big spinning rims) while they live in their densely packed and polluted libtard concentration camps gassing themselves with exhaust and they will tell both normal people and conservatives who generally are not needlessly wasteful that we should consume less.

If you're serious about muh environment go after industries in China and India, individual people or even communities can't harm the planet if they tried but large scale industry can.

>>Subsidize nuclear power
nuclear power would make electricity much less than it is today... that's the entire reason the fossil fuel industry suppressed nuclear, it would have ruined their energy business.

you care so much about the environment why don't you start a farm and work the land yourself? You fucking idoits piss and moan about climate change and you wont lift a fucking finger to actually go out and make sure your forests are healthy. Go fuck yourself you vapid wannabe.

You wanna reduce carbon emissions or whatever? dig a hole, with manual labor of course, and fill it with wood from a tree, plant more trees of course, do you know where your local plant nursery is? in this way you will fertilize the plants that grow above the buried tree for decades AND youll be sequestrating carbon which is apperently something you people suddenly give a shit about.

if you really care about the environment, start a farm and bury a fucking tree you pussy piece of shit

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Based & Burgerpilled

>The real redpill is that the point of no return has come and gone already.

This is true.
Even if the rest of the world cuts CO2 emissions to zero, America alone will use up all remaining coal and oil by itself.

We need to shift attention from preventing climate change to dealing with its effects.

>the point of no return
and has come and gone at least ten times by now according to carbon fags
yet we are still here
yet i am still not posting this from the top of a glacier, because Europe hasn't frozen over
or from the bottom of the see, because Europa wasn't flooded

Because the only proposed solution is larger government, behaviour-regulating laws, higher taxes and collective hive mind.

It's only a left vs right issue in the media and among plebs. Of course, since politicians speak for plebs to get elected, they have to share the views of their base.

In the United States military, climate change (and its effects on global populations) is considered the number one threat to our national security. We take it very seriously.

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Might be true, winters in my country are now a joke, unlike several years ago.

>What climate change deniers do not fathom is the the rate at which man-made global warming is happening FAR exceeds any natural variation that's happening parallel.
Prove it.
Oh wait you can't.

Because the solution to climate change requires collective, centralized planning.

Read a book or two on the subject. You'll find that the solutions exist, they just aren't profitable.

By 2024 we will be so cold that we will have massive crop failures and famine. 2030 entire nations will be gone.
"Man-made" is a comical term. Everything is energy already emitted from the Sun and the most that can be done with Fossil is a return to 0 over the long scale.

If you're actually concerned about it, look up at the sun for once. Be careful not to burn out your retinas though.

can you explain why the planet was once warm enough to support palm trees above the Arctic circle?

Based

That's an ad hominem.
>"You care about the environment don't you? Well then buy into our bullshit, raise taxes, and bring about the new world order of global governance".

Um, no. Going to take a hard pass. Especially since all the alarmist predictions have failed and we also know full well that if smaller government and lower taxes were predicted to reduce any man caused impacts in global temperature, you would mock it even if true.

In all seriousness, and I hate that it sounds like I'm stealing Bill Burr's material, but the core problem is that there's just too fuckin many of us, not that we eat cows instead of hens

worldometers.info/world-population/

look at this shit.