Why did the Japs attack us?

Explain

Jew commie infiltrators in the Roosevelt administration like Harry Dexter White. The USSR wanted the US to fight Japan so they could concentrate on the Western front. It was engineered.

Nanking, Manchuria, indochina, and allying with Hitler.

who said anything about good guys or bad guys? I'm answering OP's question.

You can tell b dudes western uniform that they were a puppet state and controlled, the attack was probably decided by their western handlers

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>Jew commie infiltrators in the Roosevelt administration
Wasn't Roosevelt a Jew commie himself?

Becuase americanuu soo dishonoru

i was there , nothing happened

You just framed the conflict as though the US just decided to build a pacific fleet purely to attack Japan for no good reason.

Retard. My grandfather was there, and it did happen

This is more accurate. There is evidence to support the US knew of the impending attacks and did nothing to stop them

>Why the fuck would the ACs be away from their home port?
>Why the fuck didn't Japan attack them while they were away from port and with the element of surprise on their side?
>Why the fuck wouldn't Japan attack a better target (like the shipyard of the West Coast, for example) if they had SUPRISED THE AMERICANS THAT MUCH?
>WHY THE FUCK DID THE JAPANESES NOT INVEST THE ISLAND SINCE IT WAS A MASSIVE SUPPLY PORT CRUCIAL TO THE CONTROL OF THE PACIFIC

Fuck off. Russians (literally commies) did this by their tricks. It was a collusion!

banter

Ok, but how was it pulled off? Did Japs actually bomb Pearl Harbor or did the U.S. government bomb it's own people?

Allies cucked them when WWI ended. Then we cucked them again in the 20s-30s. So they tried to assert themselves like a spoiled, angsty teen and attacked us.

they hoped to sink the carriers of the u.s pacific fleet, maybe so they could advance mostly unapposed southwards into the mineral and oil rich territories

>expending massive amounts of oil and steel to gain oil and steel by...attacking the supplier?

They attacked the US pacific fleet to prevent the US from stopping their imminent takeover of the Dutch East Indies for oil and steel.

Don't think so but his advisors and friends were heavily Hebrew

Oil embargo

self defense

To save them from the Jew

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Japanese needed oil to run their war machine

lol the japs used carrier based dive and torpedo bombers

how do you find another ship on the gods damn pacific ocean, with fake radio chatter on the airways. Even if you had a good idea where to look you would run out of oil/diesel searching the area. The Japanese just didn't have the oil to have their carrier fleets operational away from home ports for long, they were always fucked for tactical maneuverability,

It's stupid. Dozens of islands and countries across the pacific were attacked at once, not just Pearl Harbor. American entry into WWII was inevitable by the time of the attack. FDR didn't need to sacrifice nearly every US territory in the pacific, thousands of American lives, five battleships , and dozens of other smaller ships to justify it.

US had plenty of reason to war with japan. japan had already been invading it's allies in the south pacific, and as you can clearly see from the next many decades of history the US was very interested in expanding it's dominion including in the pacific and japan was in the way of this.

use some common sense, does the following add up?
>expending massive amounts of oil and steel to gain oil and steel by...attacking the supplier?
no? of course not. there must be an alternative explanation. many lies are told by the victors of every single war that has ever occurred. this is one of them, and not even a particularly big one. got nothing on tonkin bay. there was literally no other reason for us to be building a huge ass fleet in the pacific other than in preparation of war with japan. the US knew this, japan knew this, the only people who didn't was the unquestioning public. there are no good guys or bad guys, just the reality of war and propaganda that will always exist.

maybe they are gluttons for punishment.

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signal reconnosaince, maritime recon aircraft, radar etc.

sooo...exactly as I was saying? they were making a preemptive strike in a war that was inevitable in an attempt to make the US lose interest? the US had no public plans to intervene, just a lot of ships. anything but the fact that they were amassing a fleet that could only be used for one thing is head canon.

You just framed US as alrighteous power, even though they where doing the same and then attacked their ally. Japs where fully sponsored by US since 1905, when US gave them ship artillery, that was initially ordered by Russians.
Japans manufacturing power was so great - they had cardboard bicycle tanks and had no underpants even in military even during war.

BC their economy was restricted by paying out money for the artillery. And the only reason for their military to exist was american plans to expand on Russian Empire territories, if Anglo would not let them exploit enslaved Russians.

>Attacking the supplier

Do I need to show you the Dutch East Indies on a map? They're not in the United States.

they thought they could take out the US fleet, then enslave all of China and build a permanently bigger one before the US could recover

I think the U.S. bombed their own.
That's the only way I see this operation making any kind of strategic sense.
U.S. gov. falseflag their own home port, innocents die to justify a war against Japan ->Casus Belli on Japan, but also on the rest of the Axis supporting them -> America gets the sympathy in its population not only to conscript its population but also to send supplies to actual communists en masse and not in secret

What the hell are you even saying?

Also the Japanese were well informed enough that they knew the base was undermanned, even if it was a massive supply depot to the U.S. Navy.
If they knew it was undermanned, why didn't they know about equipment being used in a sortie? It doesn't make sense.

source that the US were planning intervention?

>Everything that doesn't fit my narrative is a false flag
That absolute state of the Alt-Right. Is there something that ISN'T a conspiracy theory to you Neo-Nazis?

the perfectly reasonable answer is here

After three decades of encouraging Japan to form an Eastern empire the Western powers changed their minds and started trying to block it. Back to back famines and the threat of economic collapse pushed the pro war leaders to the front

We let them. And provoked them. It was on purpose to involve us.

All I said was that the direct cause of the Pearl Harbor attacks was the oil embargo. And that the direct cause of the oil embargo wasJapanese military expansion in the pacific. I don't give a shit about Russia, don't try to inject your country into this. You have nothing to do with it.

Japan had every right to attack the US. Legally, they were in the right.

How you ask? Read up on the Tripartite Pact. It was a military alliance between Japan, Italy, and Germany. Defensive in nature, it basically stated that if one of those countries was attacked, the other nations had a right to attack the defending nations enemy.

FDR violated neutrality agreements and was desperately trying to get the US in to the war to help out the UK because, like WW1, they were neck-and-neck with Germany after biting off more than they could chew (again) and were in serious danger of losing.

The US did such neutral acts as reporting ship positions of Germany, shadowing civilian and military ships until British naval ships could intercept, completely violating neutrality. Oh don't forget sending 50 destroyers to England, giving them money, supplies, and last of course, the USS Reuben James incident, and another incident involving a fight between German subs and US destroyers (US was illegally escorting supply ships to England). FDR gave orders I think in October 1941 to fire on German ships and subs. Look it up, don't take my word for it.

Since Germany was allied with Japan, and the US was killing Germans without even declaring war, Japan had EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO STRIKE.

And the best part about this argument? If anyone tries to argue that Japan didn't have a right to attack, then ask them if the UK had the right to attack Germany and declare war after a sudden guarantee of Independence supporting Poland that was a last minute cockblock against Germany that was barely half a year old. If they say yes, then the longer standing guarantee between the axis nations holds legality (Tripartite signed in September 1940). If they say no, then fine, Japan's attack is invalid, and so is the UKs declaration of war against Germany in 1939, meaning WW2 was a defensive war against the Allies and the official blame for starting WW2 lies on the United Kingdom.

Name me ONE reason why the Japanese Military Government could think that would actually make them win a war against the U.S. ONE.
And NO, the element of surprise does not win a war against an enemy separated from you by 11000 kilometers.

They wanted the US (and the West in general) to get the fuck out of east/southeast Asia because that was rightful gook clay.

>All I said was that the direct cause of the Pearl Harbor attacks was the oil embargo
yet it doesn't add up.
>expending massive amounts of oil and steel to gain oil and steel by...attacking the supplier?

pseud. stop shoveling propaganda down your throat.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

they weren't trying to win. they were trying to make the US uninterested in war in the first place by annihilating their carriers and establishing an early overwhelming domination over the entire pacific.

they failed miserably of course, but that's literally what they were trying to do, primary sources.

>attacking the supplier

You sure are obsessed with that sophist as fuck argument.

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>"that if the Japanese attacked Thailand, or the Kra Peninsula, or the Dutch East Indies we would not enter the war"
literally what you are linking contradicts what you are saying. you didn't even read it. you are a fucking brainlet, just like what I said in the very first response to your post.

The us was always going to intervene. Ever hear of Rainbow 5?

The us was supporting Britain with arms from the beginibg. And yes even without pearl harbor they would have got involved eventually.

You don't make a nation culturally divided on the action to take lose interest in a war by attacking them and butchering innocents without a declaration, you fucktard.
Only a brainlet would say that, the best bet to desinterest the U.S. war machine is the disunity of its population in their international issues.

They wanted to destroy the U.S. carriers so that the U.S. couldn't interfere later on. Read a book, idiot. Not everything is a false flag. Notice how every time you anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi Alt-Righters claim something is a false flag there never is any evidence? The absolute state of White Supremacy. You faggots are a joke.

>the navy was (mistakenly) certain any attempt to seize this region would bring the US into the war
you don't even read your own screencaps, they contradict your claims. the US had no plans of intervention, and that their reasons for attacking was that they felt war was inevitable. holy shit. what's wrong with you. why is it so hard for you to accept that you are wrong? waiting to see how you dig yourself out of this one...

I believe you

Now the US has nigger and mutt soldiers in Japan who rape their women. How the wheels turn.

they attempted to deliver the declaration, and there is even debate as to whether or not the US got it before the attack itself. I have no opinion on whether the US got it or not, either way it would make sense for the US to ignore it and pretend the attack was a surprise.

so what you're saying is
>expending massive amounts of oil and steel to gain oil and steel by...attacking the supplier?
makes more sense than
>preemptively striking someone who is building a fleet that can ONLY be used against you in order to establish early and complete dominion over a region and make war in the region distasteful to them
are you for real?

i love how people to go the pearl harbor site in hawaii and learn absolutely nothing about it. that has to be the stupidest place in all of hawaii to go as a tourist.

>"but that they (the Japanese) could not always avoid making mistakes and that as the war continued and that area of operations expanded sooner or later they would make a mistake and we would enter the war.'"

And again. It's not what the US says they would or wouldn't have done, it's what Japan thought they would do.

go back to raping little boys you dont know fucking shit about okinawa jew. some crazy jap girl just murdered a us soldier in japan because he wanted to break up with her. you dont know fucking shit. leave this site. never come back. fuck

I never made the claim it would. I'm made the claim they thought it would which they did.

so yes, as I was saying all along, it was a preemptive strike against a fleet that could only be used against them in a war they knew was inevitable. that's literally what the greentext in your post says, it backs up my argument. what are you smoking

so...a preemptive strike against a fleet that could only be used against them in a war they knew as inevitable? your argument has slowly warped into my argument with "oil and steel" shoehorned on with a thumbtack to avoid looking like you were completely wrong. comical.

That's no way to address your master, mutt.

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This entire argument started because you took offense to the oil embargo being the immediate cause of the attack. Your reasoning being that the US was their oil supplier. So I had to explain to you that they planned to expand into the Dutch East Indies for oil.

I don't even know what the fuck happened after that. You just started freaking out left and right about fuck all.

tnks

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because the "oil embargo" doesn't answer the question. it's a brainlet explanation used as propaganda in children's textbooks. it doesn't add up as an explanation whatsoever.

>I don't even know what the fuck happened after that.
cognitive dissonance. you posted things that backed up my argument and don't want to accept that your explanation doesn't make any sense at all and mine makes perfect sense.

it was a corrupt zog conspiracy to weaken the mainland in a devastating attack so 60 years later they could make one of the shittest movies ever made.

I never said the Japaneses actually attacked Pearl Harbor. Read my earlier post fucktard.
>they attempted to deliver the declaration, and there is even debate as to whether or not the US got it before the attack itself.
that's bullshit. the only thing not acknowledging a delcaration of war can do to your country is lead to death due to unpreparedness on the line. I refuse to believe that the U.S. government and military command is actually that stupid.
And the fact that they "received" it after the attack sucks even more balls, lmao. Why would Japan suddenly send a declaration of war after a surprise attack? You'd think they'd want to keep the U.S. military on their toes and expecting answers and leave them hanging to gain more time (especially given that according to your own version, Japan was at war to GAIN time)

We never had different arguments. We agreed that the war was inevitable because both countries wanted to expand their influence in the pacific. You're trying to claim that as your argument like it's some brilliant insight and not obvious and common sensical. As though giving background to what brought about the oil embargo somehow debunks the oil embargo as a primary cause.

Oil embargo. Great depression lead Nippon to resort to imperialism- like all capitalist pigs. U.S. didn't like Nippon fucking with white boy imperial satellites- like Shanghai. U.S. responded with an embargo- which put Nippon in the position of starve to death in an economic depression or attack U.S..

Japan really only had to hit South California and Panama to win that war after they took out Hawaii. U.S. wouldn't been able to respond as quickly with the Pac fleet in ruins.

You think anime would've never made it to the US if Nippon won?

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Japan never had any chance of victory. The whole point of the first post was to question why Japan even did it, or if they actually did it.

We embargoed them and supplied China and they probably realised FDR wanted war anyway.

He wasn't Jewish but he was married to a commie and raised by a jewish maid whi put him in dresses.

this

They took jewish money and than suffered as do all countries that partake in jewish wealth

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commie kike piece of shit trying to teach a history lesson fucking kek

The Japanese have always been pussies, they haven't changed at all sense the war ended. They still don't allow immigration to this day and they still think japanese is a supirer race, honestly fuck them native japs are increeibly racist people.

>They still don't allow immigration to this day
You say that like it's a bad thing

>don't allow immigration
>they still think japanese is a supirer race
>native japs are increeibly racist people

Sounds pretty based and redpilled

t.Korean

Nippon's Navy crushed Russia in WW1. Single handedly. Their Navy was formidable. Combine that with the thinking that the U.S. wouldn't be able to respond in full force for months or years. And in the meantime Nippon could ramp up production, and pull in support from other Axis powers.

It's not too far off to think Nippon stood a better chance had Pearl Harbor been as successful as they'd hoped (key targets were out on patrol instead of in the harbor), and had the U.S. not been able to retaliate as quickly as they did.

There's also the argument that Nippon wasn't trying to win the war, just put itself in a better position to negotiate trade agreements and thrive economically- which they succeeded in doing.

American pieces of shit deserve to have one day have everything thrown back into their ugly faggot faces.

Lusitania,
pearl harbor,
gulf of tonkin,
911,
wmds in iraq,
gas attacks in syria..
If u want to wake the sleeping giant just manufacture a crisis.

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Shilling for nazi German?

Nippon crushed the Russian Navy because Russian high command in pre and during WWI period were fucking trash, and you fucking know it, commiefag.
Also the Japanese Navy relied too much on Battleships when the era was obviously over, instead of copting for a balance of screening vessels/aircraft carriers model followed by the American Navy during the War.
friendly reminder that the Yamato the Japanese prided themselves over got an ignoble end due to this very fleet pattern.
Unfortunately, you do not change a fleet pattern during a war.

>Screeching is best muttgoy

they weren't playing nice with the guys we were trading with.

Envy

>Why did the Japs attack us?
We chose China over them. They had a legitimate right in bombing China. Our president was a traitor for Rome/Monarchy.