Spying

Do you really think the government would willingly spy on it's own citizens?

It's not a question of whether or not you have things like porn on your PC or even phone but from the moral standpoint it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do something like this on such a massive scale,why does it seem like most american's simply don't care about being surveillance'd

Just look at what's happening with the way microsoft has handled windows 7 through 10,it's like they are intentionally making the OS monitor your every keyword & downloaded files but why what's so valuable about that?

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>but why what's so valuable about that?

It allows them to make more effective products for better revenue streams. The more they know about how you use their products and who you are, the more money they can make, one way or the other.

>Do you really think the government would willingly spy on it's own citizens?
Do you really think pedocriminals would try to monitor the movements and actions of all people who could rebel against them? Further, do you really think these same pedocriminals would store this information to be used at a later date on a supercomputer in Utah in case someone tries to take them down?

Dale Gribble was correct again

>Do you really think the corporations would willingly spy on it's own customers?

fixed that for you.

The REAL REASON for spying ISN'T "Terrorism", its;
>BLACK MAIL
>CONTROL
>POWER
If a "good guy" tries stand up to the system
Garunteed 100% they can dig up something to destroy him, OR someone they love.
>Shut up & obey or else...

>why does it seem like most american's simply don't care about being surveillance'd
(((Social Engineering)))
Think about what every action (((movie))) says;
>Spying is ok, cos we need it to catch the "bad guy"
>"We only violate your rights for a good reason"
>"Only paranoid bad guys care about privacy"
etc.

Corprate incentive is $PROFIT$ as always.
And they also profit from agreements with the feds to rat you out.
Gov serves Corporations
Its in Corporate interest to protect the establishment.

>Corprate incentive is $PROFIT$ as always.

what is the logical conclusion of government mandated perpetually increasing profit margins?

Used to believe they were spying. Now I believe they just want us to think they are spying. They don’t have the manpower and competence and probably not even the technology.

Alphabets are movie studios for fake news and traffickers of drug, guns, people.

They don't have FBI agents looking through your cameras. They don't have people looking through all of your history. None of that would be feasible with the manpower they have. What probably have is some sort of program that monitors websites (Jow Forums, non-private fb/instagram/snapchat pages, maybe also the private pages) and they monitor what words go on there. For instance they will probably tag words like Nazi, Jordan Spencer, etc.. and if it comes up enough they will probably flag the site and if stuff gets enough flags then they will look further into it. At that point they may look through your camera and stuff, I don't know, but to realistically have humans looking through peoples' computers is ridiculous.

Lets say theres a problematic Jow Forums post posted by a guy in California (due to server location or whatever). Then you see a facebook profile go active just before the Jow Forums post, then they post on Jow Forums, then they see the facebook profile activity go up right when the Jow Forums poster is done. They can realistically check this data and they may be able to narrow down the amount of people who it could be. Realistically they can probably see directly what you're doing on your PC, but they need to have probable cause to do something. There's no point in going after every asshole on the internet. Most of us are pussies who won't do anything.


The Chinese have already backdoored into our CPUs and I don't doubt that the US (or every decently powerful government) can backdoor into that. Hell they may have been the ones who put it in. I know a guy who used to work for a company that basically tested the CPUs when they came in from Asia. They basically analyzed it and said they couldn't figure out what one part was doing and they weren't sure what it was. Eventually they just let it by because I'm sure someone was paid.

They could also reference how you type (grammar, capitalization, abbreviations) which narrow people down a lot more than you'd think. Another thing to worry about is there is a software that monitors your eyes and sees what you're looking at on the screen. There is a challenge where there are dancing girls in a video and you have to not look at them and the software shows where you're looking. I wouldn't doubt that they're capable of this all the time. Also they could use this to monitor your eyes to see what ads look better and what you react too. It's all a sick science experiment on the human mind.

>Taylor

OP is a man of culture, I see.

they are basically collecting everything just in case they need to fuck you up later and if youre a bad goy they get you

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>Do you really think the government would willingly spy on it's own citizens?

yes. are you really that fucking retarded?

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This is a slide thread

God, I lust over Taylor Vixen

Or the Xbone, remember that shit?

They wanted your xbox to be "always on", and it would literally stop functioning unless it had an internet connection. The xbox would actually check periodically to make sure you were connected to the internet, and shut off if you weren't.

Because they had an "always on" camera and microphone, and were uploading all the collected data for some unknown purpose

>Have so much information about you that computer almost predicts your future actions, votes, shopping interests etc. with 99% accuracy or to asses if you're threat to a current regime
>What's so valuable 'bout that
True, post all your private info here, it's harmless obviously.

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You have to assume they are uploading everything. By that I mean all visual audio and information all of it. If they wanted they could watch a movie of the inside of your house and every event that transpired within... as if there were a camera crew inside. Its the only logical way to look at it.

ai algorithms data-mining an absolute surveillance grid in real time. if there is no privacy, there can be no disobedience, no organizing any resistance. this could be their goal and for that to succeed best we would have to know they were listening. societies behavior adjusting as a result to the surveillance. a more compliant population being the goal.

but its stupid because we are not dogs, we do not forgive or forget in the same way. resentment will solidify in the backs of peoples minds and grow over time. there has been a breach of trust between society and power. we know they dont trust us and we know we cant trust them.

without the surveillance grid in place i think they might have succeeded lol. but it was too much, too mainstreamed. its not even conspiracy anymore to the average person that the government can monitor anyones phone. an alex jones tier conspiracy now common public knowledge haha.

>manpower
lol
dude
its computers
they dont need men, they need software
ai algorithms, facial recognition databases, keyword/context searches. so much of that can be and will be automated. more then we know is likely automated already.

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you think thats bad
Samsung smart tvs say right in the terms of service that you should watch what you say in front of the tv because it can and will forward what you say to third parties.

Camera and microphone in the living room watching and listening to your family at all times and you agreed in the terms of service buying the tv that they can sell this info to whoever they like.

its so absurd that people dont even talk about it. and thats how they get away with it.

but fuck it whatever

You're wrong and right. They are spying, they are recording as much as they want you to think they are, but they do not have the manpower to comb through every bit of data they collect. They do have all the information to get someone after the fact or frame someone, find a patsy etc. When the collapse happens, and chaos multiplies itself by a hundred or thousand or hundred thousand times, they won't have the manpower to stay on top of what they know and need to pursue, especially when agents etc are getting disappeared.

We have facial recognition systems here but only in towns and in important places. There are only terrorists in the database supposedly. Also tracking someone is expensive, with digital and irl agents at the same time it's like 3k eur per day stated officially. It's not worth it.
So if you are in shady politics they will just hack you and create entrapment based on that info. Like I watch a bunch of teen porn and traps so I'd be compromised with some 19yo skinny short hooker that looks like a normal girl who'd have me make say all sorts of shit after sex and register it with the phone on an sd card.

Display teat.

post the vid of her getting spanked by howard stern

user that's just plain crazy conspiracy talk

Yeah, sure the computers can collect data til the cows come homd, but people half to watch it to make use of it, that’s what I mean where the manpower is lacking.

You think they’ve coded the keyword “cuck” for your bitch ass?

I don’t think they can process it very much pre-chaos either. The AI might get to Minority Report levels but not yet not even close

It isn’t for nefarious purposes aside from infornography, and network analysis.

The actual threat comes from the private sector.

>Do you really think the government would slaughter it's own citizens?

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Yeah people who work for goverments/corporations doing this with the help of advanced technology is rediculous ...no way they could pull this off...even if they could they are only looking for bad guys...i have nothing to hide...privacy doesn’t really matter anymore......anyone who spouts any of what i just said should educate or kill themselves

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Retard

Did you just wake up from a decade-long coma? Snowden proved mass data collection was going on.

Retards say "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!" and think the PRISM was to prevent terrorism. It's not. The purpose is to hoover up blackmail dirt on as many people as possible. It's not a question of whether YOU are doing anything wrong but whether the politicians that run for office and represent you are philanderers, financial criminals or pedophiles and have something that can be used by the shadow government to turn them into puppets.

It's just been revealed that a front group called the Integrity Initiative run by GCHQs (staffed by Americans who collect data from overseas to bypass domestic spying laws, Brits at the NSA Utah MDR do the same thing) JTRIG psychological warfare program has been used on American citizens as well as Brits to smear outsider candidates and have thousands of journalists working for intelligence agencies funded by US/UK military and domestic intelligence and NATO - taxpayer funded spy agencies are subverting democracy.

This means that Operation Mockingbird is still in full effect.

This is how it works: You have a blackmailed individual who is approached and told they will work for intelligence or go to prison and get shivved for being a disgusting pedophile and the spies working in the media boost them and they are showered with donations.

The outsiders who aren't shit-eating pedophile criminals who are a threat to the establishment get opposition research done by spies on behalf of the neoliberal/neocon establishment and smeared by the intelligence assets within the media to make sure the blackmailed candidates win.

This is how it works. The career politicians are boosted

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it willingly does so yea i think it

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>it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do something like this on such a massive scale
it makes nothing but sense you stupid faggot... why is it one of the main things any super villains tries to achieve?

Yes, and they are willing to spend money on that, too.
Here's an example.
A friend of mine was in slow classes in middle school, and the state made him, due to his behavior, go to some place where the government paid these people to "watch and observe" the child inside the house. They are spying on legit 12 year olds and younger, and of course, that person has to report anything "odd" to the state. Totally useless job, paid for by taxpayers, for the state to spy on you.

>but people half to watch it to make use of it
LOL
oh you poor simpleton, you really don't understand do you. it is not that we don't need the manpower, its that the computer doesn't need us. machine learning will handle context. a sentient computer isnt required. merely sufficient algorithms will suffice. of course, that tech is years from being fully implemented, unless of course progress in this direction is occurring underground as it were, and why wouldnt it be. you think they have revealed to you the limits of their power? that would be poor form

The NSA has to worried about angry jihadists plotting to blow up subways, being funded by international terrorist orgs. They honestly couldn't give a single shit what kind of porn you're beating off to or you buying a personal amount of drugs off the internet.

Look at the amount of "lone wolves", mass shooters, and terrorists that slip through the cracks (unless you believe these are false flags, patsies, or some other conspiracy nonsense). That's with them, likely, having some type of algorithm to narrow down the behaviors of terrorists and mass shooters.

Faceberg and the kike corporations gathering data is a more immediate threat, especially with the SJW vindictive faggots that work at these companies

>Government allows international terrorist orgs to operate with impunity
>lone wolf mass shooters frequently are "under investigation" by FBI, yet the feds don't stop them
hahah yeah, false flags are just crazy conspiracies, the government would never lie to its own citize-
>lies for years about mass warrantless surveillance

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>Do you really think the government would willingly spy on it's own citizens?

Um... yeah? They literally admitted as such too.

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Because we have rights. There's SOME people out there who respect that in law enforcement. You can't just arrest somebody and stick them into a camp without concrete proof. Being under investigation is not the same as being caught red handed on your way to blow up a nuclear power plant.

>Shill call others shills
what is this world we're living in ?!

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>the ends justify the means

Every school child is taught this is just a rationalization for abuse. Yet the favile argument still remains compelling.

The truth is there is evil in this world and it is becoming ever more powerful. Cocaine and crack and meth didnt exist in 1950.

>Because we have rights.
Read the 4th amendment and tell me Americans have this right while government-approved warrantless spying is happening, niggerbrains, and shove your platitudes up your ass while you're at it.

>Corprate incentive is $PROFIT$ as always.
Censorship of right wingers shows that not to be the case.

You sound like LoLoLibertarian retard type.

If you're not actively plotting to commit a mass scale terrorist attack, you literally have nothing to fear about any warrantless spying. The NSA doesn't give a shit about your folder of trap porn and beating off to furries.

Even your average street cop incidentally sees all kinds of off the wall shit during routine police work. Buttplugs, dildos, sex dungeons, toe nail clipping collections, shrines to Elvis, dead animal collections, and so on. Unless it's directly related to the crime they're investigating, they honestly don't give a shit.

kek

The right (as it is interpereted by them) is agaisnt it being used in court to incarcerate you.

Thus the spying can occur, it just cant ever legally be used.

Of course this is a distinction without a difference but such is the state of our legal and ethical inclinations.

That's the UK though. Their society is fucked.

everything you say about social engineering is true


back 2008 -2015 I was a hardcore liberal and would argue online.

my responses were

>leave them alone they are just trying to flee gang members, let them come here

and

>what do you have to hide?.. if you're a law abiding citizen then you shouldn't worry.

>looks at the multiple bills in congress that make it illegal to boycott Israel or say the N-word
Haha, yeah I have absolutely nothing to fear, as long as I don't criticize G-d's chosen or say a naughty word.

We have courts, where you can argue 4th Amendment violations. Cases get thrown out all the time for not following procedure. 99.9% of people don't need to worry about anything beyond that.

Niggers literally brag about crimes, looting, thefts, murders, try to sell stolen property, etc. on social media. Nobody gives a shit unless a cop happens to be skimming through their profiles and finds something incriminating.

That's why we have a supreme court. Hate speech has been ruled free speech. The boycott Israel thing only has to do with government contractors, which is a whole different matter. Governments impose restrictions on them all the time. You can't use one Jewshill or nigger lover introducing stupid bills as a way to say all of the government is like that. There are plenty of stupid laws on the books, sometimes dating back many decades, that regularly go unenforced.

if you think it's only in the UK. you are fucked in your head.

Do you remember the movie called "NERDS"?
Why was it so obvious, that they wanted to put cameras on girls dorms and spy on them?
>because that is what the nerds fucking do.
>It's wanking material!

Nerds took over the world, and now the nerds want to exploit their victory by adding cameras everywhere and wank their brains out!

Screencap this Truth, the A-bomb of all redpills.

if you think it's only in the UK. you are fucked in your head.

>if you think it's only in the UK. you are fucked in your head.

She broke the law by violating a court order. Not some NSA conspiracy theory bullshit.

I have personally known several people arrested and sent to jail for violating protective orders. From 18 months to as many as 5 years. Typically resulting from an ex-girlfriend wanting to meet up after a fight. Happens all the time. But no matter what your personal opinion, the courts do not fuck around with that shit. If they tell you to stay away, YOU STAY AWAY, or else the penalties are quite harsh. This dumb bitch didn't listen, just like the dumb bitches that get men locked up.

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So what its just a prism splitting a beam of light get over it. :^)

I have no way of proving this, but I met Snowden on Waikiki beach in 2009 after a swim. Shooting the shit for a bit, he asked something akin to “how would you feel if I told you everything you did on a computer as an adult was no longer private?”

I told him I wouldn’t care because I had nothing to hide. He looked visibly shaken and told me several other people had similar views. Perhaps this is just me wanting to feel relevant, but I like to think I played a part in his decision to disclose the info that he did.

If you’re seeing this Ed, thank you.

That is like saying, "you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."
-Edward Snowden

your head is fucked. pedos will fuck your children while you look beyond the boarder and say: look not as bad as in my country.

you don't know shit. people fuck children in the UK, are rich fucks who aren't even the whole year in the UK. they have houses everywhere around the world and they fuck children everywhere around the world.

if you were the father of two raped children and they would put you for 9 years in a cell because you cant stfu (yea that happens in the US too idiot) no one would care, because most of amerimutts are as stupid as you. but I would care. you deserve the worst since you ignore the most obivouse problems. but I still would feel bad for you and your children. I know what you think is fair, isn't fair at all.

"everything bad is outside the US. everything good is inside the US."
this mindset makes pedos very easy to fuck your children, while you think everything is fine. you are one of the reasons why so many children get raped and killed. but in america ignorance is strength :)

There are significant and powerful secondary effects of being spied upon every waking moment. The cognitive distress this causes is massive and is very measurable on outcomes.

Just go to any ex communist country. Only an absolute moron would impliment spying on their citizens on a mass scale. It is far more detrimental to itself than almost anything else a government can do.

They will learn this in a few decades when everything turns to shit.

Better to suffer indignities as a brave and honorable man than to live as a cowards. This will be born out

One day when the most extensive, powerful, and all encompassing mass surveillance apparatus in the history of the human race falls into the hands of the wrong people. Maybe then will the public rethink the sacrifice that was made to at the very least give them the choice to know it was happening and to have that conversation.
All be it too little and too late.
#punchanazi

it already is in the hands of psychos and massmurderers.

I met Edward Snowden in a Best Buy.

I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face.

I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off.

When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw Snowden trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen flash drives in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.”

At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the drives and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any government infetterance,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each drive and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly before trying to pay in Bitcoin and leaving.

Wait until some future Alexandria Cortez comes to power with a force of millions of useful idiots wearing arm bands behind her.
You aint seen nothing yet.

Had no idea best buy was popular in Moscow

when she comes to power the same people will be behind her as behind trump, obama, bush and all the other faggots, who sold you and your country to (((them))).

They will all get free rides to Gulag since everything they ever did online was well dbased.
Fun times ahead for all of us. It was fun while it lasted.

>Do you really think the government would willingly spy on it's own citizens?
Yes, without a doubt.

There are more people in LE that give 0.000000 shits about our "rights"

You sound like my uncle

"There will be no war because ... uhhh there's treaties in place!!!"

Our ancestors would turn in their grave if they ever found out how easily we give up everything that makes us human, entrusting it with a piece of paper

We only have rights as long as we demand them, and BACK UP the demands with force.

When is the last time any citizens did or tried to???

>Do you really think the government would willingly spy on it's own citizens?
Mutt i gotta sit you down and tell you a story about Germany and after that you can reflect upon your own situation and do with it as you want.
During the 3rd Reich the german government incentivized citizens to tattle on oneanother for their degeneracies like i guess being jewish or gay or a commie and the likes but the Gestapo i.e. the "secret" police did not have the capacity to spy on enough people and relied on the populous.
Fast forward its the DDR under soviet occupation. The country was "denazified" and the entire spy network of private citizens extended to an amount that would have made the nazis jealous beyond belief. People were denouncing one another for practicaly nothing. Shit like envy for the neighbours promotion or popularity with the neighbourhood. I shit you not people denounced their neighbours for shit like having more coffee or taking care of their lawn and making them look bad.
People were dissapearing left and right going to stasi prisons and getting tortured for fucking nothing.
Fast forward the wall came down its merkels 10 time in office and the stasi documents have never been released. Every citizen who denounced their neighbour for nothing and sent them to their death is still hanging out of their window calling the police on people for nothing.
You read it here first: None of them was convicted for collaboration or anything for that matter and they are still spying on the populous for a government that no longer exists. Now a few computers do the same job. Everything from compromised hardware out of the box acting like a physical man in the middle to google itself compiling anything you do online.

DO YOU REALLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT WOULD WILLINGLY SPY ON ITS OWN CITIZENS?
>tl;dr fuck you nigger

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Do you not know a single thing Edward Snowden and Julian Assange revealed and why they are still on the hit list?

"they" want to spy everybody in order to collect as much information as possible for their AI's and algorithms to analyze and cross reference. that way it is possible to counter or instigate crisis when the need arises. if this is allowed to continue we will be the last generation that could rise against the enslavement. maybe it is already too late.

>most well equipped citizenry to resist government tyranny
>"y-you don't just think the gu-guvernment wouldn't trust us, r-right?
>"T-they only w-want what's best for uss"

Your gps position from your phone pinging off cell towers is collected.

Your ISP data is collected.

Your call and text data is collected.

Your phone contact list is collected.

Your friendlist on facebook and messenger/whatsapp chat history is collected.

Your credit card purchase dat is collected

Your phone gps data is collected.

Your medical and educational data is collected.

Your e-mails are collected.

Your face and car movement is collected by facial recognition and number plate cameras setup in public.

Your car and person whereabouts is being collected by RFID scanners in stores and on the Streets.

Right now the usage of this data is limited by the government, but the data is being stored. As computing and AI technology is improved they will start giving people scores like in China.

Let me know if I missed any other data they track

Back before 9/11 all the five eyes countries would spy on the others citizens and then pass the info back to get around privacy laws. Like back then the CIA couldn't act domestically for instance. But after 9/11 they dropped any pretense of not spying on their own citizens and started doing it to protect us from "terrorism" which is false flags 90% of the time. You can bet your ass the government is spying on you.

>do you think

There really isn't a debate. They are spying

>most american's simply don't care about being surveillance'd
That's probably has to do with 1A.

This

The only party who stands to gain anything from terrorism is the government itself

Have you been living under a fucking rock nigger? They do spy on you, it's a fact and it's old news. The question is, why should you keep your second amendment if you didn't use it when all that became public?

Freud was a cocaine-user and he lived well before 1950

I'm blackpilled on government spying, by the time most of us realized what was going on it was too late. I'm just going to live out the rest of my life plugged inti the system.

spot on.