I can't find anything that explains why Communism is bad, and these guys on Destiny's discord are making a lot of sense...

>briefly very popular
>still poor
>starve

It goes against greed and personal profit from another person's work. It would eliminate things like sick homeless people which we point and lol at to make ourselves feel better. Plus of course we wouldn't be able to help our friends like Israel with piles of cash for more political and personal gain.

Wait, I got that last one mixed up

>ignoring dual income
>lumping part time jobs in with full time jobs
lel

Fortunately, the white man always innovates out of problems.

"communism" is the concept of the people owning goods collectively. Imagine for a second your black neighbor Tyrone wants to fuck your wife. Would that be ok? If you answer "no" then you've found the problem with communism through a practical example.

>I can't find anything that explains why Communism is bad
The fact is self-evident. When people are free, they are not equal, and when they're made to be equal, they are not free and therefore can never be happy.

this

(OP)
>seize rich people's wealth
>find out that 95% of it is in assets that are now valueless due to you seizing them
>find out that rich people really don't have enough money to support all the poor people

>collectivize the agro sector
>your people are now starving
>decollectivize but pretend it's totally communist
>agro sector now more competitive
>agro is doing great. There are now up to three types of fruits to choose from

>give power to the workers
>find out that workers make up minority of the workforce

>workers now own the products of their work
>private ownership is abolished

>find out workers actually earn the majority of the value they produce already

>if one worker mines a resource and then another one refines it and then another one turns it into a product, who owns it?

>you can't make money from success
>research and development effectively stops
>enjoy technological stagnation

>stateless
>who organizes things?

>classless
>workers are the most important, though

>economy isn't competitive due to how centralized it is
>decentralize
>congratz. You now have capitalism

>economy isn't competitive
>maximum efficiency
>2 kinds of everything. Nothing to choose from

>there aren't as many resources as you thought
>everyone just ends up being poor

>any people with a bit of talent don't like this
>they want to leave and create their own country
>a. put them in a gulag
>b. let them go and watch your regime collapse

>people will want to be wealthier
>they begin trading things
>a. put them in a gulag
>b. let them do it and watch your regime collapse

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Anyway. Try to imagine what it'd look like. Grey society without happiness or talent. Everyone and everything is completely average. Success is impossible
Anyone in the middle class and higher will not like this. They will want capitalism. You can suppress them if you'd like but then you just have a dictatorship

>I can't find anything that explains why Communism is bad

Because we’re all going to murder you in the most gruesome fashion when Jow Forums takes power.

Because I am not beholden to the state and I am free to capitalise on my individual labour

Fucking commies deleted this because they know it's true.

Some months ago we treated the abortion law, fortunately it was rejected. Despite that, the leftists want to propose it again this year.
In the propose of being prepared for discussions with Upper-Middle class 17th girls.
¿Wich are the best arguments against abortion?

I am pro Universal Income as a means of introducing a meritocracy which requires two generations of rebalance at least with intellectual discrepancy

Untrue. The whitey man stole and dominated because it was aggressive and raped&killed Brown People. Every time whitey struggled, it just colonized and stole some more to get back up. You cant prove wrong.

Now whitey is gay and weak. Us Bulls will just get back our shit and the world will be at peace.

Abortion should be available since the Proto-Type Christianity allowed it.

Yes it is shameful but the consequences without it are graver for everyone until sexual promiscuity is dealt with

>Only greedy capitalist fags always think in terms of money.
Than why are you faggots always trying to take other peoples, asshole?

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True. The world runs off of slave labor.

McCarthy did nothing wrong

why isnt africa stable then? Whitey left after ww2,you guys had so much time. Wihout the chinese you guys would be suffering

>It is the only salvation for the workers.
Yeah after the communists are done they are all dead.

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The solution to everything to do with the middle class and working class

is Fashion

Role Playing induced psychosis is what will solve our problems the world over

>because us Blacks are the true proles.
Bullshit blacks sold other blacks to the fucking Portuguese and got rich from it. Even Africans didn't want you assholes around.

Accounting for cost of living...you actually fucking think your life she be paid for? Are you fucking 12?

see

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>Untrue. The whitey man stole and dominated because it was aggressive and raped&killed Brown People.
Right, because you are weak and stupid and history is the evidence.

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No, I deleted it because my spelling and grammar were atrocious. It's back up

communism is great as long as it remains a fantasy. as soon as it brought into practice, though reality kicks in and you find out that everyone really isnt equal, that no one will work for nothing, and that its just a scam to create a 2 tiered system of serfs and nobles. of course they will try to force it, which will result in famine, because the land grab is always first, then the murders will start. laws will be passed to make people work, and to keep people too scared to say anything against the party line. these laws will be broadly interpretable and will carry a life sentence of forced labor. this will create a snitch culture where neighbors snitch on each other to fuck the wife, people make stories about their bosses to move up, people just shirk work and blame everywhere. this results in a gulag system, slavery till death. once the political enemies, shirkers, land owners,religious ppl, business owners, and innocents caught in the crossfire are liquidated, the political class starts to target groups that could potentially be a problem. academics, philosophers, engineers, the clergy, etc. for execution. etc.etc.etc.etc.
all of this happens every time. its not a mystery.
the repeating problem about communism is that people continually compare the romantic egalitarian utopian fantasy of communism with the realities of inequality in capitalism. the one redpill that stops this is that no one is equal. communism will never work because egalitarianism is a bold faced lie that is demonstratively false every day all over. you really have to be an idiot to glance at the world and hold the idea that everyone is equal.

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Whoa, what do you expect? Black Population in Africa has always been low as hell. Us Blacks lived in paradise Africa: plenty of shit and space and Pussy to live a dream life. Then whitey came, first it raped and killed, now it just wont stop using stolen Riches to donate and make Black Africans breed 8 sons per family in order to keep us Blacks poor. Black Africans never had a chance. Its changin now tho. Once Black population finds a way to stabilize, it will declare war on Whitey and just invade your countries to get Our Shit Back. You wont fight becayse youre gays, youll just let us in.

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>Then whitey came, first it raped and killed, now it just wont stop using stolen Riches to donate and make Black Africans breed 8 sons per family in order to keep us Blacks poor. Black Africans never had a chance. Its changin now tho. Once Black population finds a way to stabilize, it will declare war on Whitey and just invade your countries to get Our Shit Back. You wont fight becayse youre gays, youll just let us in.
That's a fucking lie no European went into the interior of the African continent until Stanley Livingston in 1865 and slavery was already abolished, are you fucking historically illiterate or just embarrassingly stupid?

Wow babydick, Black Motherland is not just inner Africa, where just there wasnt people back then. Our Best Empires lived and thrived in West Africa and Horn of Africa, thanks to maritime commerce. whitey started stealin our Shit as earlier as the 16th century, when whitey started to steal in West Africa, undermining our Empires. Learn ur history cracker

hmmmm....

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Why the fuck would I want to try hard when everything is just given to me? Why would I want to put in anything but the bare minimum amount of effort when any extra effort is not rewarded? Why would I try to invent new things when I won't get anything out of it? That's why communism is bad in the most basic of terms.

Oh yeah and the whole starving thing as well.

>I can't find anything that explains why Communism is bad
How about 100 million dead because of it in the 20th century for starters?

imbecile.

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Europeans sailed ships to the coasts and BOUGHT slaves fuckface, I know you want to play the victim for pity and money but people aren't fucking stupid and you fucking assholes have wayyyyyyy overplayed your racevictim card. Only 8 percent of the Atlantic Slave Trade ever wound up in America, importing slaves was banned in 1807, and slavery was abolished in 1865 America was only 80 or so years old yet cunts like you on on the internet acting like you were taken out of chains yesterday. Prove to me you have ANY relatives who were ever involved in slavery, go ahead, I'll wait.
Faggot.

Do you like freedom of choice? Do you appreciate individuality? Do you enjoy food? Are you comforted knowing you can speak openly about pretty much anything? Would you like to have your own land and/or home? If you were working a job you hated, would you like to find one you enjoyed? If the answer is yes, than thank God you're not a fucking commie

>desTINY
>discord
>why is communism bad
Maybe try reading a book instead of listening to some fake intellectual epic gamer giga-manlet that looks like a child rapist

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So what you're saying is....you wuz kangz n sheeit?

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babydick got uppity because Truth hurt him. I wasnt talking about slavery.

Nowadays it's just Us Brown People (the globally oppressed) against whitey "people" (the global oppressors). You are gay, you fuck animals and live a life of luxury and privilege, even the poorest of you. You're Going to Get Beat Up Whitey!

Most modern-day """communist""" are a fucking joke user, they literally want to "fight transphobia" and "end racism" while... killing people? My fucking ass. All talk and no show because they're such feminized s o y b o y s

Also real communism is bad not because it incorrectly finds issues to discuss/fix, but because it's solutions to those problems are so extremely radical to the point of evil (the mass murder of the supposed elites), and the only things left in the wake of that evil revolution are starvation and a new bourgeois that was even worse than the old one due to their unchecked state power

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Based & Redpilled

Just imagine he was American. He would be Elon Musk of guns.

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Get out

>>Nowadays it's just Us Brown People (the globally oppressed) against whitey "people" (the global oppressors). You are gay, you fuck animals and live a life of luxury and privilege, even the poorest of you. You're Going to Get Beat Up Whitey

I like how black people lay claim to a global brotherhood AND minority status. It really explains everything about their idiocy. The ability to hold two diametrically opposed ideas in you head simultaneously.

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You have a right to be pissed after what they did there...

>destiny thread making a lot of sense
why the fuck are you listening to destiny fanboys? their game is just taking an unfinished game and cutting it into dlc

at least now bungie split from activision but idk why they joined them in the first place "we don't like being controlled by a company like microsoft so we're gonna leave to go get controlled by activision and leave our greatest franchise behind" XD

destiny fanboys would support communism because their all about everything being the exact same, boring, repetitive nonsense

That's why google sucks. It changes the results based on what the algorithm thinks you like. The result is people being echochambered like you.

Ever see that movie Hook where the food only exists in their imagination? That.

Not sure if this is an elaborate troll or you're just really fuckin stupid

Destiny isn't a communist, he's a social democrat. You should look into Marxism-Leninism, if you really want your eyes opened....

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>Communism is good in theory
This meme needs to die.
Communism and similar "abolish property" ideologies are all non-convergent. Even if the end goal solved the problems, it cannot be approached in a non-instantaneous manner without creating bigger problems in the process. The closer you get to 0 property ownership, the further you get from inequality, even if things are fine at 0.
>20% of the people own 80% of the wealth
Injustice
>10% of the people own 90% of the wealth
Worse injustice
>1% of the people own 99% of the wealth
Even worse injustice
>0.1% of the people own 99.9% of the wealth
Even more worse injustice
>0% of the people own 100% of the wealth
Utopia
This is just dumb, even before practicality is considered. But the real argument against communism is just the countless experiments that reality has already provided us. There is perhaps no other post-monarchial system that has been more widely adopted, and it fails every single time.
>But if I was in charge it would work
>Destiny
If the issue is that Stalin wasn't pure enough, then why trust a literal fucking manchild nigger father, whose entire eceleb life consists of abusing others online, while accusing and conspiring to incriminate others around him for far less?
>But capitalism is shit
Why not Fascism? Nordic model? etc. Hell even non-global Capitalism functions very differently from (((Capitalism))). These all have been shown to actually work.

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Attempts to implement capitalism on a global scale are doomed to fail, as they are fundamentally self-contradictory.. A market has rules. There are many possibilities for how to implement these rules, some better than others, thus the process of designing market rules can be viewed as that of designing a "product" in the abstract sense. A Capitalist would believe that market forces design products better than central planning, yet in a global market, the market rules are not subject to market forces, but are designed centrally. A single set of rules for the single market. This means that /all/ economic activity within a global market is downstream from absolute central planning, and is thus corrupted. Under global Capitalism, the most fundamental "product" upon which all others depend is actually designed in a communism-like manner. Nationalism, Localism, Regionalism, etc (whatever you want to call it), avoids this, as it creates a "market of states". Independent nations can try different approaches to implementing their markets, keeping or copying the ones that work well, while discarding those that don't.

It's the same idea as the
>Freedom vs equality
meme.
>A society that puts Capitalism before nation will get neither.

Attempts to implement Capitalism on a global scale are doomed to fail, as they are fundamentally self-contradictory.

>Why communism is bad
If these people on Destiny's discord (I imagine stin etc) are convincing you that stateless communism is possible, you are fucking retarded.
Now state capitalism (USSR COMMUNISM) is possible but that is far too vulnerable to corruption.
Tell me OP what were the rundowns on their arguments?

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>USSR
>state capitalism
It was socialism.

The British public were still paying off the debt accrued from the campaigns which abolished the global slave trade until 2015.
>He's a social democrat
Then what is he actually advocating for? Social democratic states already exist. They typically have lax immigration laws. Why not move to one? Why ruin a system that others like (even if he, you, or I think it's shit), when you already have what you want? It gives the impression of dishonesty, which is a big deal in highly centralized systems. White nationalists can at least make the case that their states do not exist, and were successful when they did. Same goes for non-global Capitalists. Even the actual Communists can still get in on this if they can convince people that N.Korea isn't a true communist state. People advocating for shit that there's already plenty of just seem immediately shady. Islamists are the same. There are already plenty of Islamic theocracies. If people want one, they should go to the ones that exist.

Social democrats are reformists who believe capitalism can be reformed into socialism. This is a childish mistake and often socdems don't even know what socialism is, they think its capitalism but with social services. Its not, socialism is a revolutionary movement that aims to expropriate the capitalists and build a proletarian society based on common ownership of the means of production. For example, you often see socdems advocating for the welfare state rather than guaranteed employment or unionism rather than bringing the means of production under the control of a worker's state.

>if they can convince people that N.Korea isn't a true communist state
No communist would do that. NK is communist. They haven't reached communism (because they can't), but they are trying to build it.

NK is a consciously racial state and they have no intention of obliterating their race or culture in your gay dialectical progression towards universal communism

No it isn't. They're anti-imperialists trying to survive the largest imperialist nation in the work trying to destroy them.

>The Korean people have fought against the occupation of South Korea by the U.S. imperialists and for the unification of the country for more than 20 years. The Korean Revolution is part of the international revolutionary movement, and the revolutionary/struggle of the Korean people is developing amid the joint struggle of the peoples of the whole world for peace and democracy, for national independence and socialism. The Korean people are fighting to accomplish their cause of national liberation and, at the same time, are doing everything in their power to accelerate the advancement of the international revolutionary movement as a whole. Our people unite with all forces opposing U.S. imperialism and consistently support the peoples of all the countries in their struggle against U.S. imperialism. We regard it as an important factor in bringing victory to the Korean Revolution.

also that first paragraph is pure textbook cargoculting of a terminal shitlib turned communist who thinks he's hot shit now

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The fact that socdems aren't socialists has been the case for 100 years now since Kautsky went full revisionist.

Because valuable people deserve to have better lives. Before civilization, the strongest survived. Whoever got to the food was the one who got to eat. Fast forward to now, and you have the best working hard so that the worst can leech off of them. The worst should not be living luxurious lives, they are entitled to nothing. Communists are scum, and they will hang in the WASP ethnostate

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He’s Russian John Deere
He didn’t like guns and never wanted to make them.
Without Glorious Leaders forcing him, he would have made better tractors and sheeeit

>can't find anything that explains why communism is bad

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>hey everyone give me all your stuff and I'll redistribute it so everyone has an equal amount of stuff
>on second thought I'm gonna keep all your stuff for myself and if you have a problem with that I'll send you to a forced labor camp until you die :^)

That's why.

The problem is, in the past everyone created their own things: the men farmed their own food, raised their own livestock, from the sheep they took care of their own wives made clothes. Only rarely did they trade with other people for necessities such as iron and later: coal. If you wanted to have a house, you just had to pledge allegiance to the local baron and chop down some trees to start construction. In other words, workers were independent units which rarely interacted with the outside world on an economical basis

Now days the average worker doesn't produce shit. The average worker sits at a Mcdonalds joint and hands out burgers to negroes. Then he goes home to a house he doesn't own, which was not built by him or his family, sits on a couch produced from start to finish by some chings from across the ocean, watches a TV made by some chings from across the ocean... You get the idea.

Now days less than 10% of the population in all civilized nations produce "things", but these workers are the entire backbone of the economy. No one truly works anymore. People just punch numbers on a keyboard nowadays to make meaningless but pretty gimmicks or whatever in a virtual space and then go to the store to claim goods with currency. Our labour is almost meaningless and yet we live such good lives. Imagine how our living conditions would seem to a 15 century dirty illiterate silenced peasant: to him we would be living in a Utopia. Why anyone would want to replace our current system, especially with something as risky and volatile as communism, is beyond me

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same as in capitalism where people born into money get the best jobs that feed on the workers sucking all the wealth while the working class barely gets by i.e. management, shareholders etc

That's when the secret police, political justice courts, uranium mines and forced draft come to play. If the intelligent elite is not compliant enough, make them build bridges without any equipment whatsoever.

Everyone from the West, and the US specifically, fuck off with your marxist bullshit. Your country didn't have to suffer from the red terror for 40 years and be effectively plunged into irrelevance and societal decay.

read this boi news24.com/MyNews24/Why-Communism-ALWAYS-fails-kept-simple-for-the-general-reader-20140826

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>I can't find anything that explains why Communism is bad, and these guys on Destiny's discord are making a lot of sense. Give me a quick run down on why I shouldn't be a communist Jow Forums.

Read The Gulag Archipelago. Communist Russia is about as close as we got to real hell on earth killing tens of millions of people is absolutely brutal conditions.

>Guys, tell me why we shouldn't let fat brainlet jews who don't understand basic economics destroy our countries
cringe
Imagine listening to a dumb manlet twitch streamer and deciding that you want his ideas to rule over you, to place your life into the hands of some of the dumbest people alive.

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Because any first worlder "revolutionary" that thinks they'll end up ushering in the utopia will be the first to end up on the firing lines during the purges that will soon follow.
Criteria for the purging targets:
-University/College education
-Well fed (or at least meeting nutritional targets with no issue)
-Access to healthcare
-Has any amount of wealth
-Access to internet
-Refusing to work on the labour fields or factories
-Associated with any religion [except the (((chosen)))].

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Because the CIA told you it was bad. Also Stalin personally killed one hundred billion people.

Entire murkan society has the hardest conditioning on "red men bad"
You wont find explanation from those who mindlessly bubble about it just like you woldnt be able to debate an average believer why he believes
You better read literature on political theories, law in context of socio-moral norms and economic structures and decide for yourself whats right and whats wrong

>Analysis of 20,000 mass grave sites by the DC-Cam Mapping Program and Yale University indicate at least 1,386,734 victims of execution.[1][2]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_Killing_Fields

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>ask my Ukrainian relatives why communism is bad
>oh wait
>you can't
>they all starved to death

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Read up on the history of Rhodesia, Portuguese Angola and Mozambique.

This is a Hodge podge of very specific things done by entirely different states, and the only time having an education was automatic execution was when pol pot did it, and he was backed by the US. He was eventually stopped by a regular communist state (Vietnam)

6 million dead
>o rly?
Ukrainians
>kvetching intensifies

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>six million
hmm

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When Whites went peacefully into Zimbabwe, who started the first war ?
Who started the first war in South Africa ?
Who starts the first was everytime in Africa ?

Communism isn’t bad if it’s just white people and socially conservative.

You probably aren't familiar with any of the victims? You're not related to them in anyway, you never met them, they weren't your friends, etc.
Now genocides are a pretty nasty case but think about it - does your heart really bleed for a bunch of nobodies? I bet that's just virtue signalling. We don't really care, now do we? And so what if it does bleed?! You're not the one who dies and neither is your family! Yes, there's always the possibility for that BUT tomorrow can take care of itself just fine, man!

I guarantee you'll live a pretty satisfying life as part of the ruling class - and even if you're not on top of the party bureaucracy, you'll still live a pretty great life as a well-connected partisan.

You don't have to be ideologically motivated to support communism. Just look at capitalism - idealistic leftards are SELLING Guevara & Feel the Bern t-shirts while tweeting from their iPhones and drinking a Starbucks coffee! You just have to know your place and realize what options you have and what tricks you can utilize in order to rise to the top.

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