Let's try something

Let's try something.

I'm part of a project to create a new political party here in Chile.

I have the task to write the declaration of principles and the rules and regulations, there is someone here that is capable of discussing this with me?

This isn't a larp this it's a real political party, yet it's not a right wing party it has right wing people in it but it's more left inclined, so no ethnostate in it, I wonder if you can even discuss something like that.

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I never expected much from /pol but this it's even less.

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What do you hope to accomplish?

Just wanna see what /pol can discuss I still have to write both the declaration of principles and the regulations for the party.

Meaning I have to determine how the internal organization of the party works, I assumed it was an interesting project for people who likes to discuss politics.

You're stepping in a world of pain my Chilean fren.
I'm intrigued, but not keen to do your homework.
As a friendly advice, you'd better start armed militias instead of creating a party.

pol is Right wing Reactionary. I'm not sure this is the place for articulating your left wing platform.

Of course I am but that's politics, arguing with you people and then arguing with my own party and then with the opposition it's in the job description.

I don't want you to make my job for me or even be a part of it (you aren't even in Chile and only citizens can sign to start a party here) yet this it's just talking and you people discuss left platforms all the time.

>arguing with you people and then arguing with my own party and then with the opposition it's in the job description.

But you never argued your position.

I argued that /pol can't handle this, so far I'm correct.

What cant Jow Forums handle? You havent argued anything yet.

One of the principles people care the more about is autonomy, chilean organization it's extremely centralized so people wants to make federal party, where the states have some sort of independency from the central power (right now everything it's centralized by law).

Chile has very few experiences with federalism and none went anywhere, yet it's fundamental for the organization we are making cause it's a regional party.

In chile you can make two kind of parties, nationals and regionals.

Chile is divided in regions, for a national party you need 8 regions and for a regional party you need three consecutive regions.

So we excluded Santiago the central region, this it's one of the reasons we are making the party in the first place.

Thanks for the honest bump

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>Wanting others to donyour job and get angry when they dont.
You are made for politics you maricón quejica de mierda. Go think for yourself and be the change not wait until is handled to you.
O mejor retirate ya que tienes una madera de rojo de mierda que no se te va a ir en la puta vida y vas a joderlo todo mas aun. Dejalo para alguien que se lo quiera currar jodío chupasangre.

Well well well, if it isn't la madre patria.

I'm doing the job I have to collect signatures and make meetings in order to have a party, writing this stuff or arguing with you people I do it because it's better than doing it by myself and don't discuss anything.

And so you know I'm very far from what you consider a leftist in spain, for starters I'm against quotas for women or whatever, I think it's irrelevant considering our actual goals.

Leftist cucks?!
Goddamit PINOCHET you missed one of them

Okay faggot, I'll play.
Party Name
>The White Party
Orientation
>Center
Political Ideology
>Republican
Political Goals
>Upholding the Constitution
>Protecting the Republic from inside and outside threats
>Creating a better life for all citizens of the Republic
>Educational System improvement to bring up new generations of skilled and well educated people
>Free Healthcare for all citizens of the Republic
>Free houses and money-grants for newly-weds
>Tax reduction and bonuses for people who have more than 1 child
>Improvement of infrastructure and trade with neighboring countries
>Opening industrial complexes and companies owned and operated by the state which will operate in the key-industries that are of importance for the Chilean Republic.
>Assuring there is no unemployment
>Benefits like paid vacations for workers
>Preserving the Chilean culture, natural monuments, wildlife, historical monuments
>Creating tourist resorts and attracting foreign tourists to see your sites
>Imposing certain taxes on foreign operated business running in Chile
>Incentives for local businesses and farmers
>Seek peace and cooperation from neighboring countries
>Keep out of global politics
>Abolish minorities. All are Chilean people and citizens of the Republic with equal rights regardless of race, social hierarchy position or creed.
>Have all inmates convicted of petty crimes work 40 hours / week in state-ran projects so they will sustain themselves. It's not the Republic's fault they committed crimes.
>Expel all traitors who undermined the interests of the Republic even if they served their time in prison.

As a party banner use this bad boy's flag.

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Okay mate you are doing more that Im actually doing but dont be "this" guy. I mean, coming here asking for help and then the first response is to yourself already bitching.
Lurk. If you have lurked a few years then maybe youll know the stuff but dont have it "writed down". Thats the hard part bro. Grab someone you trust and that is good with words and sit down and be ready to a good session of thinking to be able to put down your thoughts in a straight line.
Cheers bro, im maybe grumpy, but feel me. You are rushing the whole thing. Youll need real life people for this one, and if they are also lurkers, much better.
Godspeed bro.

We are at the right of the left, and even passed it on many issues, socialism it's all about centralized economy and shit, while we are on the other extreme and have more in common with libertarians, that's why federalism and self govern for the regions.

Believe it or not this people describes themselves as republicans, also we don't like our constitution at all.

I'm not asking for help I'm banting in the old fashion sense, seem to have worked.

This is what you need to do in order for your country to have a good future. The Republic is the most successful form of government aside Autocratic Monarchies.
What don't you like about your constitution?

Also how many founding members do you have?
The structure of the party should be formed so that it cannot be undermined from within.
Believe it or not you'll have many spooks who will join your party. At first just to keep an eye on you and then to manipulate it from the inside.

A declaration of principles that must be inside your constitutional laws?
Seems redundant, even useless, or your party wants a new constituent?

Article 3.

Article 1.- Men are born free and equal, in dignity and rights.
The family is the basic core of society.
The State recognizes and defends the intermediate groups through which society organizes and
structures itself and guarantees them the necessary autonomy to fulfill their own specific objectives.
The State is at the service of the individual and its goal is to promote common welfare. To this effect, it
must contribute to the creation of the social conditions which permit each and every one of the members
of the national community to achieve the greatest possible spiritual and material fulfillment, with full
respect for the rights and guarantees established by this Constitution.
It is the duty of the State to safeguard the national security, to provide protection for the people and the
family, to promote the strengthening of the latter, to further the harmonious integration of all the sectors
of the Nation and to ensure everyone the right to participate in the national life with equal opportunities.

Article 2.- The national flag, the coat of arms of the Republic and the national anthem are the emblems
of the Nation.

Article 3.- The State of Chile is unitary. Its territory is divided into regions. The law shall provide that
administration thereof be functional and territorially decentralized.

Article 4.- Chile is a democratic republic.

We start with a 110 members, but after we finish the process the number is around 5000.

I agree the declaration of principles determines the tone of the discussion but the regulations determine the organization and what can be done and not done within the party and from the party to the outside, so they have to be carefully written.

Typical, look there is no such thing as grey area choice, you either choose black or white, left or right. Only one
Or you can be like PINOCHET and choose neither and momentarily left to choice on hiatus.
Anyways good riddance of your mature answer, didn't expect it.

The law demands we write one.

Otherwise I'll just write the regulations I have no intention of telling people what they should think, I'm just worried about how they act.

Yeah as individual, but the country has more people.

>Article 1.- Men are born free and equal, in dignity and rights.
That's correct
>The family is the basic core of society.
That's correct
>The State recognizes and defends the intermediate groups through which society organizes and structures itself and guarantees them the necessary autonomy to fulfill their own specific objectives.
Kind of ambiguous and may leave room for subvertive goals like Soros ONG.
>The State is at the service of the individual and its goal is to promote common welfare.
Based, that's the goal of all states
>To this effect, it must contribute to the creation of the social conditions which permit each and every one of the members of the national community to achieve the greatest possible spiritual and material fulfillment, with full respect for the rights and guarantees established by this Constitution.
This sounds good, what's wrong about it?
>It is the duty of the State to safeguard the national security, to provide protection for the people and the family, to promote the strengthening of the latter, to further the harmonious integration of all the sectors of the Nation and to ensure everyone the right to participate in the national life with equal opportunities.
Again good stuff
>Article 2.- The national flag, the coat of arms of the Republic and the national anthem are the emblems of the Nation.
Yes they are
>Article 3.- The State of Chile is unitary. Its territory is divided into regions. The law shall provide that administration thereof be functional and territorially decentralized.
Decentralization is good only up to a point.
>Article 4.- Chile is a democratic republic.
Funny on Wikipedia it says Chile is a constitutional republic.

Sep Pinochet wrote that, or at least signed it.

My issue is with centralism, under chilean presidential republic, all high level government officials are determined by the president, including governors, the parliament is elected but all the rest are determined from the capital, in a big country like this that means some regions are seriously underconsidered (less population, geographically isolated or they are just angry at the current administration) so it's a detriment for the country overall development.

I see

>I never expected much from /pol but this it's even less.

>Help me write a political declaration.
>But you can't use rules that most of you all here would use.

Fuck off lefty.

>Anyone choosing to rely on government services loses their ability to vote until such time they are supporting themselves.

Define government services, cause roads are government services.

>project to create a new political party

wait what
new political parties come about when people have problems that the existing parties seemingly cannot fix and people with new ideas how to fix these problems come together. in order to create a party you need some new ideas. but you are asking Jow Forums what the ideas should be???

I have the ideas and the people, more than a lack of new ideas the issue is that the chilean political system is in a representation crisis as every day less and less people are working on the parties and elections are won with less than 15% of the votes cause no one goes to vote.

Some issues can't be fixed until more people participates so new political parties that make people involved in the democratic process are a must.

Also this isn't a larp this things goes, I'm just talking about it.

Adopt a reformist stance and hold referendums to make amendments or modifications to the constitution to better fit the interest of all people.

I think your objective should be to aquire the entire coast line of North and South America , and one day , all coast lines shall be Chile

That's actually a great idea, the constitution is unpopular cause muh pinochet, and it's clearly flawed cause it's a legal document written after WW2.

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I wouldn't know about it but what you wrote to me looked pretty decent.
Regardless of that, you should focus on developing your program and implementation methods. It's a long way until you get enough political leverage to even propose referendums for modifying the constitution.
Don't forget to use the flag I suggested so I'll know who you faggots are.
Make the Party self-funded by the members without them having political leverage according to their donations. You can use this as propaganda to show the people that you are not controlled from the inside or from the outside, but rather you act as a resonance chamber for their needs and desires to be heard.
Your role as a party is to represent the interests of your voters not to sway public opinion.

Once we get the principles and regulations done we'll vote the name.

Also I doubt we can use the Lautaro flag that's reserved for war against the huincas.

The name really needs to be The White Party (as in clean and enlightened).
You can use whatever flag you want. I don't know who the huincas are but you will be at war for your people's and country's interests.

And WTF is this faggotry? Are you getting signatures for adherents before you setup your political platform?
I wouldn't surprised if you get spooks controlling everything you do.
The party needs to be setup by a small number of people that are trustworthy among themselves. You get the 110 unvetted initial members plus the ones who will join without you even telling them a program or a political view you adopt... risky steps.

I'll propose the white party for voting, why not.

Huinca is the mapuche word for foreigner.

I know most of the people from many years now, what happens is that you need those initial signatures to start the validation process that takes 8 months after that you can make rallies and even ask for loans to support the party.

The state even pays you a small amount for having a legalized party, and you get money from the votes, it's actually a decent way of making money, even if you aren't corrupt at all.

>I'll propose the white party for voting, why not.
You will actively militate for the name adoption
>Huinca is the mapuche word for foreigner.
Even better! Only a foreigner can be adverse to the interests of the Republic and of the Chilean peoples.

You faggots have a website and social media? I would like to get in touch.

>I know most of the people from many years now
That's positive but I'm sure you don't know all the 110 members.
>what happens is that you need those initial signatures to start the validation process that takes 8 months
No need to rush things, it's better to have vetted members than to be festering with moles acting for other people's interests.
>after that you can make rallies and even ask for loans to support the party.
You don't need loans from anyone. Self-funding / crowd-funding works well.
When you organize rallies be sure to pay-off some goons to act as opposition and beat-up your guys. This way you will be justified to create an armed wing for the party which will be present at manifestations to keep the order. They will be properly trained and later when you will be faced with real threats from the opposition they will protect you.

>The state even pays you a small amount for having a legalized party
That's good, should be helpful
>and you get money from the votes
If that implies selling your votes to other candidates you should avoid doing that or at least back another party pro-bono so they will be friendly towards you.
>it's actually a decent way of making money, even if you aren't corrupt at all.
Depending on what you see as corruption, I believe that you cannot be corrupt and be a politician at the same time.
Even paying goons to attack your people's rally is a sign of corruption.
Depending how far we take the concept of corruption, even hoping for material gains from politics is a sign of corruption.

It's still me, the IP is dynamic and I was disconnected.

So far with no name we also don't have a website and the reason to have 110 funding members it's because it's required by law, we need to collect signatures in three regions and the amount of people is determined by the amount of voters from the last election.

The money they give you for votes is the same for every vote and it's an incentive for parties to win elections with more voters cause otherwise there's is no real incentive to campaign at all as you can win with any percentage of the total amount of voters.

And the financing is key, so far we take money from our own pockets and it gets expensive, specially travelling to the different regions to meet the different groups, we also have to make meetings, so, legal standard financing by the government is fair, not compromising and enough, so we rather work with that, rather than depending of a financist.

I knew it was you I wasn't expecting to be that popular among romanians.

You really need to find a suitable name and flag to represent the Party.
>White Party - because it's clean and is centrist in ideology, trying to represent the will of the citizens rather than having an actual political affiliation with the Right or the Left.
Admitting that both the right and the left have positive views and negative views would be a huge boost. Tell the people that you try to get what is good for the people from all and any ideology without borrowing the bad traits of said political ideology.
>The battle flag of that based boi fighting against foreigners because all who are against the Republic and of the Constitution (which should be organic) are to be considered foreigners even if they are Chilean citizens.

Do online signatures count? It would be cheaper to have a website and distribute it on social media, this way you would have country-wide coverage and get signatures without all the fuss of collecting them personally

Well the incentive should not be financial more than the sustenance of the Party and it is legitimate to get money from the state for that as long as you are indeed clean. Parties that serve foreign interests should not be funded by the state.
Not sure how it's over there in Chile but here Party members can donate their income tax to the Party instead of paying it to the State.
Traveling to other regions is not a very important aspect as much as is assuring that you get enough support in the said regions and when you do it you make it free for Party members to go there and the supporters will house and feast you. This is the old way of doing things and if you get recognition from the locals they will be very good hosts. You can discuss and understand their desires which must be voiced in your platform.
The meetings should be at the same time you visit different regions. This way people will get a feeling of direct involvement as all important members are present and the discussions are open.

That's fucking racist bro!
>Romanians are into politics.
>We know politics are shit
>So we just make fun of shit.

Also, you should claim that the White Star inside the flag represents your Party and the Chilean people: Clean, Honest, Enlightened, Equal and Free

Signatures must be presented in a notary.

Your aproach to it, it's very much what we do, party members are the backbone and they donate the money time and resources, so far it has been a friendly enterprise but I expect things to get complex once the party is official and can dispute seats, until then our job is to set the bases for what the party can be in the future.

I like the white star idea

>Signatures must be presented in a notary.
Sounds like a pain in the ass. You can do that by post-mail paid by sender...?
>Your aproach to it, it's very much what we do, party members are the backbone and they donate the money time and resources, so far it has been a friendly enterprise
Good for you guys. It's hard to find consensus these days, even less a fruitful collaboration in politics.
>but I expect things to get complex once the party is official and can dispute seats
They are already complex because you need to plan ahead lol
>until then our job is to set the bases for what the party can be in the future.
Exactly and to be appealing you need to be an echo chamber for people's will.
Also you should militate for freedom of media and having an informed public. The outlets will love you for a while, until you get the power and declare that private funded media is bound to serve private interests thus it's not free and you ban all private media so you won't be Jewed. KEK!
>I like the white star idea
Globalist faggots will love it too. Gotta make use of their symbolism to make them think you're one of them. White Star may be better than White Party.

Signatures in front of the notary only but you can take the notary itself to a park or a public place, also they can't charge you for inscribing the party, it's on the law.

I know is complex but until you have people going around making disasters planning it's nice instead of a pain.

I have conflicted opinions about media, in one hand we need them and they will support us partially because we are bound to steal someone's votes and until they consider us a threat we are practical, but once we have any chance to win things will take a drastic turn, in some of the less populated places we will have jurisdiction we have great chances but there's practically no media there, besides internet and radio, (tv don't cover irrelevant elections) and media of that size it's not really corporate funded.