Communism is an ideology completely based on envy. I want what you have, what you have should be mine. All communists think like this. They are envious, materialistic faggots. And no, National Socialism is not the same as communism. There is a big difference between wanting a social safety net for your people - to want your people to be cared for and taken care of while still maintaining some kind of capitalism - and to simply want to steal from the rich and accomplished.
Thoughts?
Yes.
communism is a niave trust in big government to micromanage the economy on behalf of the people. it is naive to trust government with that much power. the only answer the commie has to this is that we cant trust corporations either. and indeed, that is why many of us are against crony capitalism and monopolies. the answer is intelligent regulations not communism, and if you cant trust the government to regulate the corporations why would you trust government to run the economy instead.
the motivation to work under a capitalism system is literally
>I want what you have
I tend to agree, to the extent that the current shrill cry from many leftists in the US clearly seems to pull on jealousy of the precariot minorities to push forward their commie ideology.
But hey, I was born poor, and i see Pelosi, Waters, et al have way more than me. GIB WEALTH NAOW!!!!!!
No, communism is neo-feudalism. Read Sociology for the South or other 19th Century communists/socialists other than Marx (Marx is boring and incoherent). Later Communists just want(ed) to murder people.
I believe this is just common sense here.
yes, you have what you have earned, under communism everything, the total value that has been produced must be equally divided between everyone (or in reality maybe 60% is divived eQually and the rest goes to party leaders)
No, communism was intended to be a shortcut for Jews to take over as much of the planet as poosible, using a deceitful ideology, but then they realized the goyim are more productive if they are being allowed limited freedoms and the illusion of choice.
Imagine being so fucking cucked you think what the rich have is theirs. I will never fucking understand you faggots who worship the wealthy. They do not give a fuck about you, your family, or your well being. You work for THEM motherfucker. They're rich because of YOU. YOUR WORK. You get paid a measly wage for doing the labor while they and their shareholders collect the capital
Fuck you class traitor
also, I'd like any of you faggots to show me a SINGLE wealthy individual who earned their wealth themselves. No wage labor, no tax breaks, I'm talking hard work. Blood and sweat. It doesn't fucking exist. You can only become rich through exploitation of the working class.
ALSO worth noting the think tanks who spread this idea that your regurgitating were ALL founded by trust fund kiddies who never worked a day in their lives. Charlie Kirk, a man who shares your same exact opinion, who started a conservative think thank to fight "Cultural Marxism" has literally never worked a day in his life. He has never had a job. Daddy paid his way to college
Faggot
Free Market Capitalism is Marxist too.
BASED
>Communism is an ideology based on Sabbatean Frankism/Luciferianism which is why it has resulted in the greatest number of state-sponsored killings in the history of mankind
Fixed it for you op
Capitalism will evolve to Crony Capitalism.
If you don't throw out your integrity,principles etc to create profit/money someone else will.
You need big government to tackle big corporations. This is a given.
Make your own company retard
Debate me retards
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>Debate me retards
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Wow, great argument.
Ted predicted this
> FEELINGS OF INFERIORITY
>10. By “feelings of inferiority” we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strict sense but a whole spectrum of related traits; low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self- hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have some such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism.
>11. When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. This tendency is pronounced among minority rights activists, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend. They are hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities and about anything that is said concerning minorities. The terms “negro,” “oriental,” “handicapped” or “chick” for an African, an Asian, a disabled person or a woman originally had no derogatory connotation. “Broad” and “chick” were merely the feminine equivalents of “guy,” “dude” or “fellow.” The negative connotations have been attached to these terms by the activists themselves. Some animal rights activists have gone so far as to reject the word “pet” and insist on its replacement by “animal companion.” Leftish anthropologists go to great lengths to avoid saying anything about primitive peoples that could conceivably be interpreted as negative. They want to replace the world “primitive” by “nonliterate.” They seem almost paranoid about anything that might suggest that any primitive culture is inferior to our own. (We do not mean to imply that primitive cultures ARE inferior to ours. We merely point out the hypersensitivity of leftish anthropologists.)
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Your solution is to "start your own company retard"
Do some critical thinking here as to why that's not a solution or an argument.
become a capitalist in other words. Become the exploiter is your solution?
How does it feel to be literal cuckolds lol
Who's the girl?
Communists and libertarians are both regards who think the primary goal of a country and its people is to support an economy, they see no value in humans beyond their potential economic production.
>under communism everything, the total value that has been produced must be equally divided between everyone
Even Marx didn't advocate this.
what do you do for a living?
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Capitalism is an ideology completely based on greed. I want what you have, what you have should be mine.
Chase that economic growth, goyim. At all costs -- even that of your own people and culture.
You can do a solo venture if you so wish.
You choose to be the slave?
Communism is the poor waging a war on the rich. Capitalism is the rich waging a war on the poor. Fascism is the rich and poor man working together to free their nation from (((them))).
I didn't make that argument. You were talking to someone else.
What you don't understand is that it's quite easy to be a worker. You just do your job and go home. Sure, it can be straining both physically and mentally, but in general it's really not that hard. Most jobs you can get used to.
Now, being the owner of a successful company, now that takes brains. It's a lot harder. Not physically, but mentally. That's why a faggot retard like you could never own a successful company.
By the way, rich people can do good things. They have the potential to do much more good than some pathetic, envious little commie.
Communism has always read like feudalism with more steps to me.
you work because of their idea. You get monthly payments because of their idea and their risk taking.
For one rich capitalist who you despise and are jealous of, there are 10 capitalist who failed and got blown out because of the risk they took.
You jealous little worm
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you are talking about being petty bourgeois. Contracting your labour out, which is essentially the same thing, your customer becomes your boss.
I've never heard this argument coming from anyone that works in the trades, only bourgeoisie humanities majors larping as the proletariat.
Not to say I don't think the rich in this country shouldn't be destroyed, I just don't believe in your classlrss multi-cultural egalitarian society fairy tail stories.
I agree completely.
because you are a cuck
>Thoughts?
Absolute truth and based and red pilled. Never thought I'd say this but great post Swedenbro.
I don't care if people have more wealth or more things than I do. I don't want any of it. I just want to be able to buy a little land at a reasonable price, not have to take out any loans, not owe rent or interest payments, and be left alone. Abolish fiat currency, usury and property taxes, thats all I want economically.
Dont know if drooling retard or just bait. Maybe both
Damn user this is exactly how I feel. I do not feel bad at all for trying to help the hardworking whites get access to cheaper healthcare and education. But I hate just giving away stuff to niggers
supply and demand is a simplistic analysis that doesn't look at the structure of society as a whole. Look at the bigger picture brah.
the racism shines through
>Communism is an ideology completely based on envy
Its like sayin justice is based on envy, stupid
>Marx didn't advocate this.
This is one of the biggest tripping points for commies. "Not real communism" is technically correct, every communist state that has been certainly wasn't Marx's paradise. But at the end of the day what Marx did or didn't say is largely irrelevent if every attempt at communism gets us the Soviet Union.
If I came up to you and said I've developed a political system called shitfuck, where I'll shit out a gold bar into your hand if you hold your hand under my ass and tickle my balls with the other hand, how full of shit is your hand going to get before you call it quits despite my insistance that all those other times I shit in your hand wasn't a real shitfuck?
Niggers favor communism because they are parasites that reap the benefits of the hard working white man
No communist argues owning a company is easy (though of course there are cases where CEO's are literal braindead retards, and don't get started on shareholders), it's a symbiotic relationship where one class collects all of the Capital and lives beyond comfortably, while the worker makes just enough to get by, or not enough- while giving away 40+ hours of their life a week. One sits in an office, makes phone calls, shakes hands with other porkies- and collects massive amounts of money, the other is in the factory, store fronts etc doing the labour and making very little in comparison.
Fucking Capitalism is necessary in the road to economic progress, we're decades past that and it exists only to jack itself off and lift the wealthy higher and higher- to the point where we literally live in different worlds. It's fucking childish economics at this point, selfish little faggots yelling "MINE!" like school children while there's more than enough resources and wealth to maintain and make progress in society outside of Capitalism.
Because you haven't heard it doesn't make it non existent. I've worked in factories, landscaping, etc my whole life, been around Union guys my whole life. Mother fuckers who worked their asses off to keep food on the table and got fucked over by their bosses one too many times, so they Unionized and got active to make sure workers have a fair chance in this economy. From there I grew and discovered Marxism and possible alternatives to late-Capitalism.
He is talking about what Nietzsche called resentment.
>wanting to own property
>posts with commie mean flag
Just a pro tip, there was a political ideology that got rid of usury, encouraged citizens to own land and start families, and would nationalize large corporations to prevent exploitation of its citizens, but it wasn't communism.
you know if you studied history and economics and actually understood revolutionary transitional states you could better argue le evil Commies, instead of just shouting strawman talking points and shit your favorite conservative think tank told you.
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>If I came up to you and said I've developed a political system called shitfuck, where I'll shit out a gold bar into your hand if you hold your hand under my ass and tickle my balls with the other hand, how full of shit is your hand going to get before you call it quits despite my insistance that all those other times I shit in your hand wasn't a real shitfuck?
Take your medication, faggot
t. jew
Fuck communism, anarchism is where it's at.
For the millionth fucking time abolishing private property doesn't = you can't have anything you utter fucking retard. It refers to the means of production, abolishing the private sector.
I admire people who, when criticizing something, actually have a good understanding of it. I like to be criticized, properly ofcourse, it expands my own ideas and teaches me something new. And I like having a good opponent when discussing politics even if he has better arguments than me - just because new ideas are at the table
You however know nothing about communism or capitalism apart from the memes your read on Jow Forums. Your opinion is worthless since you're criticizing a thing you made up.
>communism is when you want someones stuff
>national socialism is a social safety net
Thoughts ? Your mental capacity is of a 12 year old. Enjoy being raped by some mudslime
Have you ever considered a third position? It doesn't take a lot of reading to realize communism is a dead end ideaology that isn't going to take man kind any further, it's designed to stagnate.
In an ideal world, everyone would voluntarily share everything they own without expecting something in return. We dont live in that world.
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The true revolutionaries are those that refuse work and quit there jobs every now and then. That is the only way to have temporary freedom from bosses.
nice doublespeak there comrade.
now fuck off to venezuela
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If your idea of private land ownership is a sustenance farm for a rural family or a government provided apartment for the urbanites, then yes I guess you can have property.
Communism is literally the third position. There's Neoliberal Capitalism and there's Fascism, they exist in harmony- Communism is the third position. Which is why it's been so vehemently attacked by the powers that be, why it terrifies both conservatives and liberals, why the US gov launched an unconstitutional surveillance program to dismantle any attempt at organizing.
muh vuvuzeula
go suck Mark Rutte's cock
> I want what you have, what you have should be mine. All communists think like this. They are envious, materialistic faggots.
This is also why most of them are feminists cuckolds
No, nor will we ever. I don't think creating a state to enforce that through violence is an effective form of governance.
Having a free market economy with a social net is basically a conservative idea that has later been adopted by socialdems and sociallibs.
NS is no different in this regard
This is retarded.
you people aren't even listening to the debate. All this has been addressed and refuted.
>Fucking Capitalism is necessary in the road to economic progress, we're decades past that and it exists only to jack itself off and lift the wealthy higher and higher- to the point where we literally live in different worlds. It's fucking childish economics at this point, selfish little faggots yelling "MINE!" like school children while there's more than enough resources and wealth to maintain and make progress in society outside of Capitalism.
So you admit that capitalism is necessary to economical progress which means you admit that capitalism works as a system to economical growth and progress.
Now why should we abolish a system that works with a system that is proven to not work every single time?
If it was 1850 right now, maybe I would say hey, let's give it a try - but it's too late for that now
>neoliberal and fascism exist in harmony
>communism is attacked by the state
Oh I'm laffin
Honest to God, fucking think- you guys distrust the media, yes? You distrust politicians? Have you NEVER stopped to think "Why is there so much anti-communist propaganda?" I mean, they lie to you about Syria, about Russia, about unjustified wars, they lie to you about everything- but suddenly they're telling the truth when think tanks are started by millionaires to spread the word about "muh evil communism"?
Come on
So Mr Communist. I work in a plant. I get paid every week to do my job which is just draw fronting. If the Government seizes my plant (as it's owned by a private corporation) what happens to my job and my paycheck?
>communist
>state
You can only pick one
Point out exactly what I said which wasn't true. You insulted me without providing any kind of argument, and that only makes you seem stupid.
what the fuck are you talking about you utopian faggot. Go back to Jow Forumschapotraphouse
Dude the Communist manifesto takes like 10 minutes to read. Yes, we believe Capitalism is a necessary stage in economic development.
>No, nor will we ever.
Agreed.
>I don't think creating a state to enforce that through violence is an effective form of governance.
That's what we already have. It is somewhat effective for a time.
Sweden is a monarchy:
en.wikipedia.org
>officially the Kingdom of Sweden
Swedish hymn:
en.wikipedia.org
>With God I shall fight for home and for hearth
So it looks like you are safe from Communism and Nazism. Enjoy your BBC Christian revelation.
If döbbs, she has been B_L_A_C_K _ D.
>you utopian faggot
Rich insult, coming from someone who believes communism will create a perfect society despite all evidenice to the contrary.
If it was communism the workers would take over the plant, if that is what you want.
To be fair neoliberal capitalism is a shit system that needs to be destroyed, they just don't realize this was the ideaology built by combining communist social doctrine with U.S crony capitalism. They're more than happy to entertain all of the social issues brought up by anti-fa and commies as they continue to ass fuck everyone else into a rave of mindless consumers.
The greatest trick ever played is to disguise the state approved ideaology as some form of revolution.
Your bosses would be put to work alongside the workers and control of the shop operations, finances and so on would be democratically run by the entire staff. Workers would have more responsibility and you'd have a greater stake in the operations. If someone is a shitty worker, vote to remove them. And so on.
You can take your flag off now, larper.
> All this has been addressed and refuted.
If you're not willing to share your wife, how are you even expected to share your bread or means of production?
Communism IS cuckoldry, it NEEDS cuckoldry in order to function, without it it doesn't work as we've seen time and time again.
Neither Mao nor Stalin shared their wives, and how did that end??
Look at Venezuela, Maduro isn't sharing his wife.
Communists that are cuckolds are the true communists, they know what will make it work, this is why there's so many cuckolds in antifa/the left.
>they lie to you ... about Russia
Actually, the more we learn about the Russian people, the more we discover they are far worse than we ever could have imagined. Makes us really appreciate the niggers, in fact.Jewish Putin controls them - that should tell you everything you need to know.
*race of mindless consumers
call it what you want capitalism is capitalism
Ok lets try to be inclusive with society as a hole. How do you allocate resources according to peoples specific needs? Moreover, who decides what peoples specific needs are? If your answer is "the state" then i suggest you go en.m.wikipedia.org
Communism is far too ideal to work and will always corrupt itself into authoritarianism.
While communism concentrates the full power of a society in a single spot for somebody to take it, capitalism spreads the power across the ones willing to fight for it.
The only adamant communist I've met who pushes for it actively says he holds a private capitalist position. Just an opportunist.
go suck Stefan Löfven's cock