Why is this board so deluded about “wife material” women...

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If you never had a true meaningful relatiomship in the past from this point you need to change the perspectives.

This. Good women are scarce. If OP was all that, she would have been snagged up long ago. Not to mention she is posting on Jow Forums, so how high are the chances she is some mental fuck up like everyone else here.

OP is not a girl.

I'm a guy. I'm not saying there can't be some outliers of guys that want this, but there's always posts like "the majority of guys secretly want a chubby housemaker to raise children" and that's a ridiculous generalization that just plainly isn't true for myself or most people I know.

Really I'm just trying to figure out where this mentality is coming from and if I'm completely deluded about preferring someone attractive and exciting, like most people I seem to know.

Not necessarily. Pretty & average weight girls are statistically less slutty than chubby or fat or plain girls. They’re also less likely to have any type of short term or casual sex.

Men are creatures of habit and since you’re more likely to successfully mate with a chubby girl you’ll aim for chubby girls in the future. Some guys will even claim to have a “fetish” for them.

But at the end of the day men want a cute homemaker who will be sweet with young children.

Yeah I'ma go with "lurk moar, faggot"

>A man complains that ABSOLUTELY NO WOMEN WANT TO TOUCH HIM
In 99% that man never leaves his basement to see the light of day. In 1% he has ebola with visible symptoms.

So you're basically saying "the guys who are saying this are settling because they can't get better and are now just used to it." Gotcha.

I disagree with you wholeheartedly about the cute homemaker who is sweet with young children. I don't know anyone like that. Can I ask where you're from and where you got this idea? Your age?

>he thinks people want actual discussion on Jow Forums
Sweetie, (You) are a genuine sweetheart

>exciting

Probably because that aspect of a person has no staying power. As soon as you begin to bore eachother or lose the novelty of 'excitement' you move on to the next partner.

We're talking about a difference in goals. People who want a partner for the purpose of family planning and life progression vs people who are wanting new exciting experiences.

>Is this like an urban vs. rural thing

Probably, or an age thing. Most males I personally know 26+ are going to be assessing women for wife qualities

What does being a good wife have absolutely anything to do with being fat?
Men looking for a long term stable partner want a girl who would make a good mother. It doesn't mean they like her to be fat or suddenly don't care about looks.

Alright, let's replace "exciting" with "interesting." Someone with a curiosity about the world, someone intelligent, someone who wants something more than sitting in the house watching TV into perpetuity. This is what a solid 80% of men I know are looking for. Family is an added bonus to this.

>Age
I'm 32, as mentioned, and I don't know many men at all who identify chubby, homely, boring girls as "wife qualities." That's not exclusive to my age range - it goes for older men I know, and younger men. That's why MAYBE the region thing makes the most sense to me.

I just hate this "most men want a boring quiet submissive wife to raise their kids" thing. It's why I meet a bunch of chubby, boring women who just want to cook and watch Netflix.

The reason I made this thread is because I've been in like 5 threads in the past few days where there have been a bunch of replies that men REALLY want a "thicc" girl because of "fertility" that gets excited about little kids, cooking, and nurturing. I think it's bad advice because I don't know many men that want this at all.

I just don't see anyone searching for these "motherly" types unless they're looking for a replacement mommy themselves. But really I just want to figure out if I'm an outlier or what leads to this kind of advice. I'm probably skewed by having a sadsack loser of a roommate who is absolutely pathetic and wants a replacement mommy more than anything. Feels like these people who want this are just deluding themselves.

While I agree that in itself a girl who “cooks, nurtures, and acts motherly,” is not a holy grail-tier gf, if you juxtapose her with a typical western selfish & promiscuous thot with no moral core, that nurturing momny gf is suddenly the Holy Grail of immeasurable value. There are upper echelons chicks who are the whole package, beautiful, educated, adventurous, ambitious, moral, family-oriented, but let's be honest, how many women like this exist? They are unicorns, and 4channers usually aren't exactly ideal either. For many anime-loving NEETs a bland nurturing mommy girl is way out of their league.

I don't agree with "typical western selfish and promiscuous thots" being that bad of an epidemic, but the final sentence was at least telling. I make the mistake here of thinking that there's at least a decent percentage of well-adjusted people here, and maybe I need to just start rethinking that most of these people are just stinky NEETs.

Might be time to leave Jow Forums... or at least Jow Forums.

The reason I would settle for a fat woman is because she'd bend over backwards for me and she has no tattoos. Much like my ex, she was insane. Cried, told ridiculous lies that were easily beaten, verbally abused me when she thought it would give her ground in an argument and was overall pathetic, but we got each other off very well, she liked to fuck all the ways I did, would spoil me when she wasn't feeling retarded and had no tattoos.

The lack of ink adds or subtracts a good 4 points to a woman's attractiveness. Besides that, wife material for me would just be someone I get along with on a level that I could consider them a true ally. If I even thought that highly of them, I might ignore the tattoos and suffer the effect to my dick.

But at the end of the day you can admit you're settling, right? Not because "all men love thick girls secretly?"

Don't really understand how women have a hard time getting to grasps with this. Isn't it women who promote sleeping with "bad boys" that might look good and be exciting, but marry some stable beta chump?
Why would a man think otherwise? He might enjoy throatfucking emtionally damaged 18-year olds with knockout bodies, but when funtime is over and you want to create a family you ideally want a high quality woman to be the mother of your family.

Settling is not losing. Statistically, more people will have to settle with what they are getting than those who get what they want

Actually I was initially really interested in her for her, she wasn't so huge back then that she wasn't physically attractive. It's toward the point that she was definitely cancer for me that I just used her until I was satisfied.

Also, I think it would be doing the world a disservice to generalize a size or archetype of person to one word. There are far too many variables in a person, their personality and their experiences.

You're really into the false dichotomy you've created.

You can be motherly and also interesting, fit, and attractive. You can also value all of the above and value them to different degrees.

You've shifted the conversation to mostly focusing on girls being fat.

You're 32, unmarried and forced to live with a loser roommate. You don't sound too particularly well adjusted.

Right but that doesn't support their narrative. They're not here for a logical discussion, they want to run a smear campaign against people who have things they don't, IE stable relationships

It's the same with polys. They'll just tell you it's 'human instinct' and 'we can't resist animal urges' and yet tons of people manage to be monogamous every day, for years on end.

If someone wants to bring people down to their level it's not like they're going to stop because they were delivered a decent argument

I honestly wasn't even paying attention to OP's narrative at all, don't give a damn. I just wanted to share what it takes for me to consider marriage, which I don't think is a very tall order. I do agree though.

Settling is losing, completely. It's assuming that the alternative - being single and being your own human - is somehow lesser than pairing with some ugly boring girl who will probably also give you ugly boring kids.

I'm fine to some degree with "motherly," but I specifically made this thread about people who say men prefer chubby boring women. I'm all for finding someone who is interesting, in shape, attractive, and also smart and kind enough to take care of children. That's perfectly fine with me.

But, I'm 32 and unmarried because I have no interest in settling with someone, or forcing myself into whatever I thought was "the best I could get." That's how people get resentful and end up divorced and REALLY alone in their 40s/50s.

I own this house and have given the sadsack roommate notice to leave - I thought I was doing him a favor by helping him get back on his feet following a divorce, given that I had a spare room.

I don't consider a stable relationship to be something that's just you accepting that you're never going to have something more than a mediocre and bland life that your children repeat.

Protip: No relationship is perfect and compromise is an absolute guaranteed requirement if you want ANY relationship to work. Everybody "settles" in one way or another because it's how you keep from being a selfish dick. You sure you're in your 30's?

>people who say men prefer chubby boring women
Who even says this shit? I'm a regular here and I don't remember any thread with a statement like this.

Why does chubby/ugly equal boring to you?

>ugly, boring
We've gone from 'chubby and average' to 'ugly, boring and fat'

If you wanted to move the goalposts just go outside and do some running you backpedaling faggot

I'm not hugely into having a relationship unless it's really close to a perfect situation. But I'm fine with knowing the perfect situation might not come. My standards aren't necessarily as intense as this thread may make them seem, though.

I posted this after reading a couple of recent posts in the "why do men want to bang fat girls but not be in a relationship with them" thread, and recently I also remember a guy who was complaining that his fat girlfriend cooks for him and cleans his clothes, but he's embarrassed to introduce her to his family/friends. There was a ton of defense of the girl in that thread as being "every guy's dream." There's plenty of these kinds of threads.

Chubby/Ugly/Motherly pretty much equals not being physically fit, and mostly wanting to stay at home watching TV or cooking or what have you.

Sorry, not trying to move the goalposts, but I do assume that most of what anons call "chubby" is my definition of fat. Then it just goes straight to obesity. And I think fat is automatically ugly.

"Average" really depends on our definition of the term. Let's use pic related... the left is the only thing I could consider chubby before being fat, and the right is average.

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Someone being ugly doesn’t tell you much about their personality. Chubby girls can also be fun and interesting. There are even chubby people who go to the gym, they just overeat a little.

Are you willing to live out a good chunk of your life willingly alone?

And in the chance that you suffer from some sort of debilitating illness or impairment, which is highly likely, come to depend on people who don't give a shit about you. What's your reason for going on through the hardship?

I used to think like you and couldn't rationalize any argument against this. A lot of people I've heard say if they reach old age and they're in that situation they'd just off themselves. Not a good counter-argument.

>There was a ton of defense of the girl in that thread as being "every guy's dream."
I find this highly doubtful, but whatever. Many guys like fat girls or don't mind their gfs being fat, but it's not a universal thing at all. I don't get why you care about any of this enough to make a separate thread just to bitch in it about fat motherly women and guys who like them. Just let people be, mate. And next time some neet autist proclaims that all men want to date a fat mommy gf who will make them tendies, try to ignore it and move on instead of getting so triggered. We get it: you don't want to date fat = boring = ugly chicks. Many other guys don't want to date them either. There, I hope this will make you feel validated enough.

>Pretty & average weight girls are statistically less slutty than chubby or fat or plain girls
Absolutely not. I'm a woman and can guarantee often times the pretty girls who get the most attention are the ones that jump from fuckboy to fuckboy to fuckboy and complain about how they can't get a "nice" guy. Sure, there are some good ones out there but they get snatched up super fast. So when you're 30 I wouldn't expect to find one unless you're richer and are looking into 20 year olds.
I'm not saying that chubby/ugly girls are any better. Due to western culture alot of them are trash too, but you're more likely to find wife material among one of them because they're more humbled(in my experience).
Rule of thumb is to not expect perfect if you're not perfect yourself.
Just keep working on yourself, a man's value increases as he gets older.

Left is more attractive to me than the right
Gimme thick mommy tibbies plzzz

If you hadn't picked up it's single people attacking taken people who are happy with girls who have extra weight (a little or a lot, either or)

These threads are always single people attacking taken people. Just like how poly people attack monogamy for being 'boring' or 'not what we're designed for.' It's have-nots whining at the haves so they can bring them down to their level

The fact that it shows up on Jow Forums as discussion is pretty evident of its worthlessness as a topic.

Maybe you are right. I just think all this thread is pointless, OP claims to be moderately successful guy in his 30s, content with being on his own, and yet he gets so offended because some user on Malaysian butt bumping imageboard said some unfounded generalization regarding what men like/want in their women. Why even care about stuff like this? Looking at OPs responses and seeing his own generalizations I suspect this is a thinly veiled fat women hate thread masquerading as something more substantial than this.

>be me, vaginaperson
>get a tattoo to hide a scar I find hideous
>80% of all the Jow Forums neets scree and my sexual market value goes down 60%
Whatever shall I do?????

Remove your tattoo maybe

One user not liking tattoos isn’t even worth a reply. Some people dislike tattoos, doesn’t matter

They can be fun and interesting, but not someone that makes my penis work, therefore a poor choice for a relationship, as she'll feel sad and useless when I don't have any interest in sexual activity. Or complain that I'm looking at porn. Or whatever. Sorry, I really don't want someone just to share a house with as pals.

I'm totally willing, but I also think being "alone" is conceptually silly. My best friend and his girlfriend don't intend to have kids. They'll be around. I can still date women. More and more, I have friends who aren't particularly interested in a nuclear family. There are things to do.

>Debilitating illness or impairment
Why would I want to live through this? Seriously? In the olden days you just died if this happened. Why would I want to burden some poor woman I settled for to make sure she can wheel me to the toilet and scrub my ass? So I can watch another 10 years of TV, rotting away in bed?

This is all wholly derailing, I really just wanted to figure out if I'm off base thinking that most normal guys want a reasonably attractive girl at the end of the day.

Too bad your anecdotes mean nothing to Cold hard facts and stats. Ugly girls jump from man fo man because easy pussy is all they have to offer a man.

My dream partner would be someone, male or female, who tolerates my neurotic behaviors and is kind to me. That's really all I can ask for, and it is more than I've ever had.

I see a lot of tattoo on girl hating on here, actually.
I find it funny.

>all this thread is pointless
How long have you been on Jow Forums? No, wait, lurk moar faggot.

But in all honesty of course it's pointless. It's like when poor people shit on the rich by saying 'HAPPYNES IS INSIDE :^)' while ignoring the fact that tons of rich people got there off the backs of their passion and interests, which would suggest a fair notion of familiarity with happiness.

The thing is that people like OP directly attach a person's value to who they're attached to, which is why they end up at 25+ telling us their friends have all abandoned them and have no time for them anymore. It's ironic, because nobody had time for them in the first place-- it's just usually when an outside view comes into the equation, they'll point out things objectively. Next thing you know, people who judge others for dating who they want to end up with no friends, and starting shitposting wars on Jow Forums's Jow Forums. While that may not be OP, we'll never really know because it's not exactly something anyone putting this value out would ever admit to. It's basically hypocrisy, they can't land anyone but somehow others are lesser for landing people. And of course, we're not going to cover how they're all stuck in the PUA mindset that girls need to be 'picked up,' that you're going to bars to meet them and shit, etcetera.

People will date who they want to date. People like OP will sit on Jow Forums and judge that, single as they are, and most likely without an abundance of friends who are showering them in social attention.

There's two types of people at rock bottom; people who want out and people who play crab bucket.

Show me your cold hard facts and stats then, wiseguy.

This desu. I don't know if it's American standards of health, but so many anons say chubby and then attach a pic of a pretty fat/flabby girl.

I'm like left and I would say I'm chubby (you know, slim but without a six-pack!) but apparently that's not it at all.

>They can be fun and interesting, but not someone that makes my penis work
That’s really all you needed to say instead of attaching personality traits to physical characteristics. You want someone you’re attracted to, that’s fine. Some guys are attracted to chubby “boring” women

Tattoos are human bumper stickers.
t. /o/

It's one part curiosity (like, are my observations about the world completely off), and another part disliking bad advice being given to people. I feel like some impressionable kid is going to read that everyone wants a thicc mommy gf, get that, and then find himself cheating on her when he's 28, or the other way around - some girl who is actually interesting and fun shuts down that part of her personality to be more motherly.

Full transparency here - I was in a relationship with a girl who sold me on being cool and adventurous at first, then swung deeply into the mommy gf style and claimed it was what guys wanted. I got dragged down like she was a lead weight for a year while she got chubbier and chubbier and dressed like a Puritan so guys wouldn't think she was available.

>this entire thread
user if you don't dig fat chicks just don't date them? It's not that complicated

Scars are sexy if they're not self-harm scars. I even extended an olive branch and suggested if someone were good enough I'd look beyond their horrible decision, but I guess you didn't read that far. The fact you read like a memespouter is far worse than tattoos for your prospects honestly. Got some frogs to post or something?

But it's not good enough if other people are happy dating fat chicks and OP can't have that happiness because he's an ugly fucking chud

>and another part disliking bad advice being given to people
yeah well, most advice on Jow Forums is bad advice for many reasons. I don't but your explanation at all, I doubt you care about some no name underage virgins who may fall for the mommy gf meme, it just seems like your own experience with a girl of this kind was bad so now you are bitter and convinced that all girls of this kind are equally shitty as your shitty ex.

>people on Jow Forums being bitter, lashing out
No way

That's fine if you don't buy it, I made the thread because I was bored on a Saturday morning. I do give a shit though, because I got some good advice here back in the day, and I want to pay it forward to people.

It's made for some interesting conversation but I think it's getting out of hand.

If you like dating fat chicks, more power to you, just don't tell people it's what "everyone" likes, so more chicks stay fat and don't take care of their issues. Or assume that when they get into a relationship, they can just get fat and guys are supposed to happily roll with that because it's what they wanted in the first place.

Idealism