When it comes to sexual assault, particularly with the currently Supreme Court battle...

What are you even bitching about?

The problem lies not believing a event accurd, it is what is actually is considered sexual assault.

When the story was explained here, this was sexual assault.
However lets take Aziz Ansari case where he got called out.
His case with that young woman wasnt but by a lot of people was considered to be as such.

Men went through sexual misconduct as well, the reason we joke about it is to cope. While you as a woman have emotional support from other women, men still are left to their own devices and ussually have to go to pay for therapy.

You dont live in the world of men, and many men do support the victims, but you dont understand how we feel.

The thing is we always have been against this and always believed the real victims, you just ignored us all this time and dismissed our point of view. If you want us to do more, but you never noticed what we already have done.

Remember you have the right to vote, you can own property and ideally become what ever you want to be.
Yes there are bad guys, there will always be bad guys, but do yourself a favor and dont be picky on who is on yourside.

If you keep picking and choosing your allies you are going to have no one in your corner.

fuck off you baiting ass troll

your rhetoric is transparent as fuck, your concern trolling is weak

>Aziz Ansari
Was he actually accused of sexual assault thought? I saw it more as example of entitled male behaviour, and basically it was either that or him being a complete sperg.

It was misconduct.
Basically from what was described was misunderstanding and miscommunication.
They performed oral sex on each other. There was a willing party but it didnt work out. No one should be blamed for that relationship for not working.
What the problem was young women telling eachother what constituted as sexual misconduct.

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Well, I can see how it could qualify for misconduct, and see how it could be just miscommunication. In the end it's good to have a discussion about stuff like that, and the women who see it as a misconduct do at least deserve being listened to. Obviously applies for people who argue against it. When it comes to social retards, shit really gets complicated. Many women didn't learn how to be more clear or were actively discouraged from it all their lives, while guys were taught to actively focus on the positive signals and interpret stuff in the middle as yes. Someone horny is less likely to pay too much attention too – but of course there is a chance that one party abuses the muddiness.

>When it comes to social retards, shit really gets complicated.
Or when with someone of a different cultural background, which typically have different body languages and social cues than each other (even with cultures of close proximity to each other -- like Europe).

Yeah, pretty much. A friendly Spaniard could come off as rape-y to someone in Finland.

>at least deserve being listened to
Yes they do, but there has been a trend of not speaking to the men about this and only speaking to other young women.

>tfw american since birth, but raised by a strict german family (they never let me socialise until college), and the only girl I don't come off creepy to, are those here from other countries
Granted I've had success with American girls who were also raised German, but they're rare to find (yet almost always single -- because guys often find them standoffish).

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Great Jow Forums thread

Where is your question? What do you want advice on? This is a blogpost.

Same here but i had divorced family so my step mom was abusive so she made me retreat socially. That and the bullying made it harder.
So people aziz were guys who lacked experience with women in general. There arent an abundance of women willing to deal with guys like us.

Well, after centuries of just listening to men, a swift that isn't quite balanced is almost given. It's not great to actually get to a solution but just very human. It'll definitely take a while for a more objective outlook; besides some things are just so personal.

Not sure I'd put him in that group. Aziz is an entertainer for a while now, his behaviour is probably more down to how entertainers interact with people and bits of parenting as a Muslim.

>There arent an abundance of women willing to deal with guys like us.
Especially American women (girls from other cultures are a little more forgiving -- but still have limits).

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>Well, after centuries of just listening to men, a swift that isn't quite balanced is almost given.
No offense, and you might take it as such, but you cant keep using that as an excuse to not talk about it.
I get that it is learned behaivor and it is hard to erase, but we are in a time where its much easier to talk about this.
You cant expect someone else to break the chain if you dont do it yourself.
Not by any means is this is your own fault mind you, but if you want equality you are going to have to see from a males perspective objectivly. With out looking for things to aid your belief.
I know a lot of women work really hard and all deserve equality, but there are women who say there is a glass cieling with out looking at the glass cellar.

Mostly white american women.
Black americans are great. Asain americans are mixed bag, latin americans are cool too but they too are a mix. The thing is its mostly white american women who dont want to deal with us.

He is also a nerd, and I am an entertainer, and being one as well with other women there is a lot of disconnect and simply head nodding to what ever the females say. I could tell this guy grew up respecting women but also is inexperienced with them romantically, as are a lot of men. No girl wants to be that practice girl.

Dude, I have a penis.

Also it's not really an excuse but an explanation. Obviously both perspectives are necessary to find better ways to deal with the shit but it's just as obvious that some people will be a bit too happy that their opinions suddenly have some bearing, hence approach it from a very limited, childish perspective. When it comes to most public representatives of feminism (which as you probably know isn't that unified) they do talk about an approach involving men.

Generally it seems a lot of a generational clash than some male vs female bullshit.

Basically on this point i want to add on yhe head nodding. When a man does question what a woman says, he is put against a barrage of extreme aggresion from women, which keeps men from asking important things on what is ok and what isnt.
So they just nodd and some women just want yes-men while others want a solution.
Problem stems from what men and women think what is common sense but isnt to others And the anomosity that follows.

>When a man does question what a woman says, he is put against a barrage of extreme aggresion from women, which keeps men from asking important things on what is ok and what isnt.
That's a fair point. Saw similar stuff a lot when it comes to racism too.

A lot of the backlash can be preventing by finding the right time and space to ask, and doing a fucking research (since a lot of the stuff gets asked all the time) but overall you're definitely right. It's not a very helpful approach to make people join the conversation.

>Dude, I have a penis.
Sorry man but I cant tell if you have one or not by text alone.

Also you point out that its an explination and you are right, but its often times used to wave away personal responsibility for people's own actions. I get that this is the reason why things are the way they are but if we able to see that then we are also able to change that. And we have been for the past 60-70 years.

>but its often times used to wave away personal responsibility for people's own actions
Think "often" is overselling it a bit, although my internal bullshit filter just tends to block out voices from people like that, since there is not much to gain from them.

I live in LA, and its everywhere. Women are very intelligent here but a lot lack actual experience in terms of sexual assault and abuse. Ussually the most outspoken and loudest are the ones who never went through the nightmare.
Then there are ones feeding the flames like Big Red or Sarkeesian.

>the most outspoken and loudest are the ones who never went through the nightmare
This generally seems like the case for most causes. In Europe most support for anti immigrant parties came from rural places with almost zero migrants. Guess it's motivated by fear of actually experiencing the thing you protest against and partly due wanting to do something meaningful with your life.

Its less than fear of experiencing themselves and more of the feeling Selfrightous fight. Because here in america the high and middle class are bored and look for issues or make issues when at times there wasnt at all. Its just getting offended for other people.

>I thought I'd be thrilled to see more guys in support. But roughly none of it pans out as sincere, and none of seems legitimate or honest. Instead, they come off like they want to be seen as doing the right thing, without actually doing much. Or that they're trying to keep their hands clean. Or because it's de rigueur for the time. Or just trying to throw the scent off. It simply seems like there's more to their intent than what is necessary, or relevant.

Don't think like that. I'm not sure what kind of guys you talk to but it does sound like you don't trust them.

Here's the kicker tho...I'm a guy...and I don't trust guys either...
I'm ticked off that I think that way sometimes.

But there are guys out there who legitimately do the right thing just for goodness sake.
Idk about you, but as a human being? It should make people feel shitty for doing a shitty thing.

Say...I knew two people...one was sexually assaulted...to completely disregard one side based on politics or sexism or race or what have you?
That would make one a judgmental, piece of shit person.

Just look at this hearing. Listen to the victim. Now listen to the accused...who, for some dumbfuck reason, couldn't answer simple fucking questions.
I think I'm going to side with the victim who wants to cooperate with the investigation...
As opposed to the dumbass who won't cooperate but profusely claims he's innocent.

Assholes in general just bother me. Especially those who put others down.
I just don't like bullies. I've just heard enough bullshit in my lifetime so I apologize for not sounding sincere...I just want to respond to assholes with violence.

Hey, it's also nice being able to add "activist" to your insta/twitter bio.

>.I just want to respond to assholes with violence.
No op but you shouldnt do that either. Wether its you responding to voilebt asholes or you being violent, you should do the right basic thing like call the cops and ignore the rhetoric. Thats what democrats should have done with the nationalists, instead they gave them ammo.

>he touched my butt
>he's a rapist
>why won't anyone date me
It's going to be so fucking wild to see how bad America and the rest of the west is 20 years from now. Gonna be absolutely Antediluvian.

Thats not what happened.

Of course not because nothing happened.
Just like nothing happened between Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas and how nothing will have happened between the next guy Democratic Senators don't want on the supreme court.
What will happen is Ford will make millions of dollars, like Anita Hill did.

Then an fbi investigation shouldnt be a problem then now would it.

Just world fallacy. An investigation wouldn't really prove/disprove guilt or innocence.
>Though it might hurt Ford more.

>then stalling until the midterms in the hopes of picking up more senate seats wouldn't be a problem now would it
There's a reason Feinstein sat on this for weeks before she leaked it to the press. And the Republicans have an interest in ramming Kavarnaugh through before the midterms because holding onto 51 seats in the Senate isn't a guarantee.
Cui Bono. Use your brain.

No...you're right...If I didn't know the person, that would be the course of action I'd take...depending on the situation, of course.

e.g. Gas station attendant witnessed a man assaulting his gf. Calls cops and tries to calm the situation. But gets into a fight instead.

I've spoken up against all types of assholes before. They mostly puff their chests. Nobody ever really wants to start a fight. I just know that due to this general anger that I have for the twisted nonsensical side of the world, I would definitely be the one to finish a fight if one were to start.

But all in all, I'm generally a pretty open hippie. But when I see this shit happening, I just can't sit down.

I am fully aware of that but republicans did the same fucking thing when obama made a supreme court nomination. Its all dirty politics, so dont you dare think republicans are the innocent party.

I get that, but have you actually been in a fight? Because here in the state people will fight you. And people will not fight fair.

>I've spoken up against all types of assholes before. They mostly puff their chests.
Most assholes I've spoken up against would at least break an arm or two; even stabbed me a couple times (I grew up in a gang-infested neighborhood) ._.

>An investigation wouldn't really prove/disprove guilt or innocence.

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Thank fuck we have you to tell us the truth then.

So do you do that when you see women abusing their men in the rare opportunity it happens? Everyone always jumps down a dudes throat yet I've never seen a woman face repercussions like thatm

More often than not it is done at home or in private. Abusive women have been increasing in the public but not near the ammount of men. Abusive Women tend to keep to a specific public image and hurt later.

Canadian eh. But I mean who hasn't been in a fight? I've taken martial arts as well so I guess that's something. Either way, against an asshole? I wouldn't fight fair, either.

Of course, unless there are guns involved...You cray Americans.

Again...it's Canada. Of course, pick your fights. I mean diplomacy first, of course.
The only time I've ever heard of getting stabbed or sucker punched is usually because someone's trying to rob you...and that's never happened to me.

As said previously, I'd approach this situation with diplomacy. I'd still stop try to stop it tho. Abuse is abuse. But it is unfortunate that that happens.

>Of course, unless there are guns involved...You cray Americans.
Well we do need nukes to hunt rabbits.