Where are the GOOD conservative artists?

I'm getting tired of never having actually good conservative artists. Why are all the best filmmakers and poets almost always libs? I'm not even talking about Hollywood or anything like that. Anyone know why this is?

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>John Ford
>Mel Gibson
>James Cameron (before he married his current wife)
>Clint Eastwood

Most right-wingers stayed out of professional art because they were taught it was gay and impossible to make a living at, and because the art world is full of degenerates.

>good conservative artists
>OP is in Jow Forums
>OP is a retarded

okay but like, that's a pretty small list. Makes no sense to me.

How so? I'm genuinely confused at the lack of right wing thought in thoughtful artwork and media.

>lack of right wing thought in thoughtful artwork and media
Please tell me you aren't this retarded.
Look at the memes of conservatives.
Most of them, the left can't even think, cause it would be wrongthink.
They are tying thier own hands in thier dogmatic retardation that brings them into forcing people to shut up.
So conservatives went beyond that, and took the future. Memes.
Now the left is trying to learn, and eventually they will steal this too.
But for now, thier very nature, and retarded politics prevent them to do so, whitout being laughed at.

>What are gatekeepers
>Who runs the media

Dumb thread OP

You're seriously thinking that memes are the next high art form? An art form that anyone could make? There needs to be means of access so that blacks and poor people can't make them. that's what film had for so long; and then now we have blacks making films. It doesn't change the fact that memes are not "good" art. If memes are all we have, that's fucking depressing. I wanna watch films that are better than God's Not Dead 2.

Yeah but look at the media conservatives do have? Why are the bigger conservative films and media so garbage? Even Mel Gibson lost his edge.

Most artists are apoliticial, ones who do attach themselves to politics such as Ben Garrison or Horsey are usually terrible at drawing.

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He never fought the modern establishment

Apolitical? So many really great filmmakers and writers are always critiquing wealth and establishment. Or they're making their main characters black or asian some BS to make people think they're human. But these tend to be the most compelling story tellers and also tend to have the best shots, pacing, writing... Why is conservative media so flat and minimal?

>Yeah but look at the media conservatives do have? Why are the bigger conservative films and media so garbage? Even Mel Gibson lost his edge.

Did you read my post? Do you think artists grow on trees? There are no famous conservative artists in America (or Europe for that matter) for the same reason there were no right wing artists in soviet Russia.

Every superhero is conservative. Every. Single. One. Avengers Civil War is blatantly conservative by rejecting the U.N. Deadpool 2 is one of the most openly Christian I've seen. Literally his super power is the ability to suffer and regrow. Watch the part where he defines being selfless as Jesus Christ.

American "conservatism" actually is liberalism, so you can rest easy now.

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a right wing hollywood can be formed by funding and releasing films online on a right wing streaming service. the cinemas are owned by hollywood.

But then how do we get many of the best artists being these initially underfunded starving artists? Scorsese was one, and there were others that didn't start from much.
There are so many big evangelical movies and conservative movies that come out every year, but they're so bad and poorly written no one cares about them.

Believe it or not but many are. I have a friend in Silicon Valley and he tells me almost all of the high up people are republicans, they pretend to be progressive because they think it gives their brand added value. They don’t actually believe that shit. Same for artists, there are many conservative ones but they just can’t be open about it.

You know those great modernist artists of the first half of the 20th century like Eliot, Pound, Yeats, Joyce, Stravinsky, etc.? Guess what. They were all very right wing.

Wrong. It's christian bullshit.
Robespierre was really on to something.

LOL.
Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

>Every superhero is conservative
Those movies have women in lead roles, and black people around every corner. Yeah, sure, super conservative.

Republican =/= conservative

why? (checked)

Because Hollywood is jewish. It's that simple.

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Yeah but then there's Gertrude Stein, and her group like Fitzgerald and Dali. She was one of the biggest modernist artists and curators and she was a lesbian and supported women as artists. Joyce wasn't even that right-wing when he was writing, even though some describe his works to be very "Republican" in nature.

Yeah they’re libertarians so what?

Wait, are you a fascist or a republicuck? Hitler and D'annunzio were both artists and they both ran fascist states - and fascism came from futurists like Marinetti who co-authored the fascist manifesto in 1919. Ezra Pound and Knut Hamsun were both fascists. The former is considered to be one of the greatest poets of the century and the latter received a nobel prize in literature. There are more.

If you're actually right wing and not just a religious libtard, read Kerry Bolton's "Artists of the Right".

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Finally someone who actually provided something other than calling me an idiot for not finding memes to be art.

I always thought many artists were leftist because, at least historically in the west, arts programs are usually the first things to get cut in education when a conservative government takes power. This is interesting.

He actually wrote two books about rightist artists. The second one is called "More Artists of the Right" and I haven't read it yet.
Together they cover the following artists:
D. H. Lawrence
H. P. Lovecraft
Gabriele D’Annunzio
Filippo Marinetti
W. B. Yeats
Knut Hamsun
Ezra Pound
Wyndham Lewis
Henry Williamson
Roy Campbell
Richard Wagner
Aleister Crowley
T. S. Eliot
P. R. Stephensen
A. R. D. Fairburn
Count Potocki of Montalk
Yukio Mishima
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They get blacklisted

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Right wing poets:
Ezra Pound
T.S. Elliot
Also Jack Kerouac didn't like Jews when he got older

I'm a conservative and an artist but I'm not good. I'll show you a drawing if you want.

>Yukio Mishima
Considering how much lefties like Schrader love Mishima, despite him essentially writing about how he was an incel, I'm always surprised to remember he was a nationalist.

You can't be a Hitlerite and want to disempower artists at the same time.

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Are you finally starting to take the red pill? Conservatives are mostly sociopaths that aren't capable for producing art that connects with the human soul. That's why you rarely see conservatives in arts.

Liberals are more compassionate.

I never see conservatives volunteering.
Most teachers are liberals.
Most nurses are liberals.
Most librarians are liberals.

And the list goes on.

You don't buy art. No one does. Not that they would promote or host you if you tried. Pro propoganda needs to jump through a lot of hoops to see it fly and reach and impact the normieculture

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Conservative people are less likely to be open about anything, especially their creativity, and they aren't the types to sell something so central to their identity as well. It's the same reason there are so few prominent conservative philosophers. When you do come across one who actually articulates his ideas and concepts openly, it's often because they have something that in their own view absolutely needs to be said. I would argue that Nietzsche was one of these people, but due to the nature of his ideas and the problems he was confronting he became more known as a destroyer rather than a creator, despite his obviously creative nature. But he was not a conservative, because in his view there was little which wasn't related to beauty that was worth saving. It was his will for us to return the race back to our unconscious and end the domestication that a liberal society breeds in us.

meme flag slide thread sage this post

I don't know much about him nor have I read anything by him, but I know he committed ritual suicide after a failed attempt to take over Japan. I think he gets a free pass by lefties because he's nonwhite and he was a "cool crazy samurai guy".
Replace "conservative" with "capitalist" and I don't have a problem with it.

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You say this but there is a massive network of commission artists online now making living as an artist more profitable and more sustainable than it's been possibly in the entirety of human history.
I make around 1k a month doing commissions after my usual job and it's only become better as the years have gone by.

inb4 furs, despite that being where the real money is at, I'd rather keep my dignity and soul intact.

>and they aren't the types to sell something so central to their identity as well
I think people like Mad Mel and many composers and writers for instance are an exception to this because they love storytelling or music or w/e so much that they cannot bare to do anything else. And given what it means to be a mainstream artist, the talent pool is even more skimmed than it should be.

Clint Eastwood has more talent than half of Hollywood.

you never see conservatives volunteering? i really dont believe you.

most people I've volunteered with were stay at home conservative moms lol

Moar! God do I miss scene girls.

I'm still confused then why so many conservative governments cut funding to media and arts? I'm not super keen on keeping freedom of speech around when that's the shit that has gotten blacks and non-whites where they are today. We can use freedom of speech now, but that shit has to go as soon as order is restored and standards are made. Freedom of expression, too. If conservatives want to make real, healthy change, we have to regulate artists from childhood so that they won't go off making marxist shit.

Conservatives have empathy too. Just for human beings who deserve it. Not like blacks and women. There have to be better artists who can create work that's better than any liberal artist, but for some reason, we never see that. Our best, most thoughtful artists have awful standards for what they consider to be people.

Have you seen his recent films? They're fucking jokes. Man used to know how to direct people, but then he did that one where he had a woman lead, and I lost respect for him.

>'m not super keen on keeping freedom of speech around when that's the shit that has gotten whites where they are today. We can use freedom of speech now, but that shit has to go as soon as order is restored and standards are made. Freedom of expression, too. If Marxists want to make real, healthy change, we have to indoctrinate people from childhood so that they won't go off making fascist shit.
This is basically what happened over the last 60 years.

>inb4 furs, despite that being where the real money is at,
Depressing, isn't it.
>I'd rather keep my dignity and soul intact.
Can you give me an example of the kind of work you do?

Liberals = emotional creativity.
Conservatives = facts and rigid logic.

I refuse to believe this. That's some centristfag shit right there

It's pretty simple, from two different angles. First off is that great art always comes from pain or instability, and left-leaning individuals are more likely to be unstable. Hence, a bigger chance for a creative person to make truly great art.
Second, and more insidious, is that to get your work publicly recognized you need the marketers, the producers, the sponsors. And they're all kikes or pozzed. So they'll force you to eat blood-shit-cum soup or rape babies if you really want your work to get public attention. And then you're theirs, your conscience dies, and you drift further and further Left.

>No pipeline
>gatekeeping
>no gib propaganda bucks from government
>no access
Art takes money dude. It is “financed”. You think michealangelo just like chissled for years for free? Nah he was sponsored and taught paganism.

i'm not trying to brag, but i'm unironically a top artist in my field. the problem is the field is so dominated by leftists, it's impossible to show work or be produced. my team was recently turned down for a grant + residency because the panel approving applications declared us as "too privileged" and denied us due to our heavy use of technology in the proposed piece. they only give opportunities to disabled trans poor socialist black women. as a result, i have to self fund everything that i do, so it takes years of saving and building, since our work is costly to produce.

I figure I need better examples of the garbage that could be great. Why is this the shit I have continuously recommended to me? Why is this and God's Not Dead almost all we have from a mainstream perspective? It can't just be ideological policing from the kikes on top.

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DH Lawrence?

Why are we only giving opportunities to "people" who are really not people?

liberal art comes from destruction. conservative art comes from creation. in order to make thriving creations, you need rules and logic, but the only thing you need to destroy is emotional criticism.

>Aleister Crowley
Wtf?

Depends what you mean by good.

Conservatives aren't good at art or writing books. When your IQ is as low as niggers you can't do much other than be violent

Some of these writers being women also defeats the purpose of the art being actually conservative and real

This reeks of Canadaposting

Andrew klavan is a good conservative writer

Conservatism is traditionalism, it's the antithesis of creation. We can observe this on a much smaller level here on Jow Forums. The most popular memes are just endless retreads of wojak, pepe, and mutt shit, with slight variations. Conservative minds take preexisting concepts and modify them for a specific use, liberal minds love that "outside the box" shit that creates something new. And new can be good or bad.

>Conservatives aren't good at art or writing books.
>pol disseminates the best memes.
You must be a fucking retarded abo cunt.

disagree. all of the "operation" threads are themselves "outside the box" creations, based on rules and logic. Jow Forums is constantly creating new social viral artworks that permeate culture. what was the last liberal viral operation you've seen?

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Coming up with realistic solutions to problems requires a lot of creativity.

"Tax X more!" doesn't.

You don't need to be an artist to know that we have to kill the poor and the non-whites

Convert helping them from mandatory taxes to optional charities. Society will quickly make it clear the level of assistance it wants to provide, and they'll be unchained from the government.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more plagiarist, repetitive, cyclical institution than Hollywood.

Have you seen Scorsese's Silence? Did you notice the dedication in the credits.
Fuck you, your meme flags and your weak bait thread.

John Ford was not a conservative.

Uncritically Marilyn Manson is a great conservative artist. His music and visual art uses liberal style degeneracy to spread right wing messages.

This

Personally i would like to be an artist but i'm terrible at it. Id say im better at writing and creating ideas for stories

Kerouac is so misread by dipshits. He said himself that he was "a Catholic, not a beatnik." Cassady's character is hardly heroic; he's a mooch that gets on almost everyone's nerve, and the pursuit of "The Road" is ultimately unfulfilling.

Exactly. And from what I know, he didn't like Allen Ginsberg either.

Instead of focusing on "conservative" per se, why don't you focus on pro-American?

> Viktor Schreckengost
> Frank Lloyd Wright and "Usonian" design in general

Yeah. IIRC, there's even an aside in On The Road when he contemplates killing a faggot he suspects of coming onto him in the bathroom.

Not visual artists, but Hemingway, for being an expat, is quintessentially American.

Jazz music is uniquely American.

Cormac McCarthy is a genius.

Any American writers that Harold Bloom deems worthy of being in the Western Canon.

That's funny af

>Kerouac once told Ted Berrigan, in an interview for The Paris Review, of an incident in the 1940s in which his mother and father were walking together in a Jewish neighborhood on the Lower East Side of New York. He recalled "a whole bunch of rabbis walking arm in arm ... teedah- teedah – teedah ... and they wouldn't part for this Christian man and his wife, so my father went POOM! and knocked a rabbi right in the gutter."

Kek

>Fuck you, your meme flags and your weak bait thread.
Cry more you fucking fag. He's had movies where women and blacks are center stage. He also speaks highly of marxist artists all the time. Hell, he even runs a film restoration project for African nigger films that were justifiably lost. Just because he was religious doesn't mean shit. Grow up.

Hah. Never heard that one before.

unironically Sam Hyde

His best work is World Peace and Jaihoo's Trip to the Future (a copy of the book has been leaked online and its fucking good)

>In 1944, Kerouac was arrested as a material witness in the murder of David Kammerer, who had been stalking Kerouac's friend Lucien Carr since Carr was a teenager in St. Louis. William Burroughs was also a native of St. Louis, and it was through Carr that Kerouac came to know both Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg. According to Carr, Kammerer's homosexual obsession turned aggressive, finally provoking Carr to stab him to death in self-defense. Carr dumped the body in the Hudson River. Afterwards, Carr sought help from Kerouac. Kerouac disposed of the murder weapon and buried Kammerer's eyeglasses. Carr, encouraged by Burroughs, turned himself in to the police. Kerouac and Burroughs were later arrested as material witnesses. Kerouac's father refused to pay his bail. Kerouac then agreed to marry Edie Parker if her parents would pay the bail. (Their marriage was annulled in 1948.)[29] Kerouac and Burroughs collaborated on a novel about the Kammerer killing entitled And the Hippos Were Boiled in Their Tanks. Though the book was not published during their lifetimes, an excerpt eventually appeared in Word Virus: A William S. Burroughs Reader (and as noted below, the novel was finally published late 2008). Kerouac also later wrote about the killing in his novel Vanity of Duluoz.

Lol I love him now

>James Woods

Railroading. When a single ideology takes hold in a subgroup of people other ideologies are shunned and often removed. Hollywood is addicted to sex, drugs and fame, ideas counter to most conservative view points.

Because if you don't kiss corporate ass you don't "make" it. By make it I mean you don't get touted around. I have a decent following for never shilling but if I were to kiss kike ass, who knows. I've refused.
>t. Conservative artist

>le butthurt liberal

>Why are all the best filmmakers and poets almost always libs?

Who owns the movie studios? Who owns the music studios?

Talent alone doesn't ensure success.

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I hope you like sci-fi.

God bless Woods.

Makes me yearn for my youth. 35 and havent seen an emo or scene kid in a decade plus. Growing up sucks sometimes.

Sort of. Corporations usually just appeal to the masses, so it's entirely dependent on what the masses of that time are into. Could swing many ways.

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