I am sort of an Afghan immigrant, I came to America when I was three years old because my parents wanted a better life. I am making the case that open borders is better for the planet. I will try to respond to serious questions and won't be responding to "GO BACK SHITSKIN". I will be listing my arguments on why we need open borders
>1. We aren't Freaks I find a lot of conservatives think of us as they think of goths or those weirdos are so different to the typical person they just can't get along. However when I end up talking to people we relate very fast. Even some racist people I talk to forget I'm non-white while we are talking. What I am saying here is not my opinion but top economist opinions openborders.info/double-world-gdp/
>2. Open Borders Will Double GDP Jow Forums always claims to love free market capitalism so I will explain this hoping you have an open mind. When immigrants come in they drive down wages temporary. However in that time corporations now have cheap labour and can lower the price of their goods. So although wages get cut so do prices causing deflation. The government can cancel this by printing money causing inflation exactly proportional to the deflation. Essentially immigration allows governments to print money inflation free. If open borders were applied everywhere worldwide each government would on average be able to double their money supply inflation-free which means the average wealth per person would double.
>3. New cultures When I suggest this people get all uppity. They say that we are clouding out their European culture (as if it still exists in our consumerist culture). What they don't realize is that culture isn't a 0 sum game, Afghan immigrants coming in doesn't prevent you from practicing your British/Irish/Scottish/Italian culture or whatever you want to practice. New cultures bring in new options of culture just like new companies bring in a new option of goods.
America is full. Brimming with people. No more room. Hence I oppose open borders like any sane person.
Perhaps you'd let hordes of people live in your house.
Open house for you. Welcome them all in.
Tyler Wright
America has more room than any other country, there's SOOOOOOOOO much unused land, overpopulation is a myth. People crowd in dense cities for economic reasons.
Elijah Morris
>Jow Forums always claims to love free market capitalism so I will explain this hoping you have an open mind First of all, Jow Forums is not ancap. Anyway, the point that immigration increases GDP isn't very strong. GDP is literally just adding up everyone's income (doing that gives same results as C+I+G+NX). No shit more people=more GDP. The way you look at GDP is flawed. It only allows people to 'print free money' as much as it increases output, but that's not a very good argument since what we want to do is increase output (putting cart before the horse.) There would be some gains from having service sectors flooded with cheap labor that would allow more firms to pop up and produce more, but the results wouldn't be as large as a lot of economists predict. I know this because I've looked at their methodologies and they extrapolate small changes, but that wouldn't work because doing that has pretty diminishing returns. I think the gains would more than likely be negated by the negative effects of reducing homogeneity and social trust. Social trust is honestly one of the big advantages of western countries, and while a small amount of immigration doesn't have much of an impact, full blown open borders would fucking destroy it. You'd either have strong self segregation (which many of us immigrants do naturally) or you'd have the chaos of forced integration/diversity. That sort of shit is temporary and always crashes. >Afghan immigrants coming in doesn't prevent you from practicing your British... culture You can't be this naive. In democracies, people will push for laws that matches their culture. If I took all Afghanistan and put them in UK, they'd immediately push for policies that'd make it into Afghanistan. I don't blame them, they're doing what they see as right, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have a negative effect on British culture, which exists within the context of the British state and legal system.
Sorry if I come off as disjointed. Whiskey...
Easton Davis
>Open Borders Will Double GDP That settles it then as it'd also lead to a massive increase of carbon emissions. Borders have to remain closed, in fact we have to put barriers to decrease labor mobility.
Now I'll take a look at the rest of your post
Sebastian Cruz
If you were sitting in front of me right now I would put my hunting knife in your throat and smile into your eyes while you gurgle your last derka derka la. fuck off cuntslime.
Landon Reed
the reason why you support open borders is because it benefits you, and those close to you. the other 'reasons' are what you use to sell your position to other people. you don't give a shit, as long as you get what you want from a host nation.
Connor Hughes
How are people in empty places going to make a living? What about the environment?
Christopher Cox
>which means the average wealth per person would double My god son, fuck off, /pol isn't THAT retarded R..right guys?
Landon Rogers
>Jow Forums always claims to love free market capitalism Not true, plenty of socialists around especially of the national variety. I'm personally in favor of Swedish variant of social democracy called folk helmet, fuck capitalism.
> If open borders were applied everywhere worldwide each government would on average be able to double their money supply inflation-free which means the average wealth per person would double. Just like I'm willing to pay more for an apartment with a nice view, I'm also willing to pass on an uncertain economic improvement that may not ev n benefit me to not live in cities populated densely by third worlders.
> Afghan immigrants coming in doesn't prevent you from practicing your What's in it for me? What does afghan culture offers that I can possibly get by interacting with Europeans and East Asians?
Connor Jackson
>Jow Forums always claims to love free market capitalism LURK MORE you fucking faggot.
Angel Diaz
Honestly kill yourself.
Parker King
lol you're a faggot, go back to dying from snake bites shithead
Joseph Cooper
Also what type of government would you think would work with open borders?
Jaxson Myers
afghanis don't have a home country, they are just leeches.
Joseph Clark
Alexander The Great Afghans are based as fuck
Leo Ortiz
im sorry you're an american or an afghan immigrant? american culture is regional and provincial, do you live on the east coast? west coast? wait let me guess, you want america to accommodate you and your own tastes, and then you argue whites have no culture. their culture is their genetic endowment, and it is often expressed by a tolerance of subversive elements, then a rapid expulsion of them through massive violent action.
if anything you're the racist, you are welcomed into a country then you start trying to explain to the people already living them what they should do and how they should behave. interesting, do you think you're better than america? are you here to improve it? are you going to make it more like afghanistan?
Jordan Morgan
Afghan Hounds
the oldest breed of dog in the world
Camden Jenkins
>I'm an afghani migrant and I want to bring more afghanis into your country in order to increase my ethnic group's power and influence. Here's a list of some of the bullshit excuses I'm going to use to push my politics
sage
Daniel Johnson
Get off the internet your mother pays for and hand over some rent money cuntjuice
Juan Thomas
>I came to America when I was three years old >spells ‘labor’ with a ‘u’ Nice try.
Anthony Lewis
>meme flag >afghan immigrant to america no you aren't
Parker Powell
Ask any Army vet...
Afghanis are sick fucks, raping boys (bacha boys) is a national pastime in that shithole
>When immigrants come in they drive down wages temporary. However in that time corporations now have cheap labour and can lower the price of their goods. How fucking naive can you be?
Gabriel Wright
if your parents moved to china at age 3, and you learned fluent chinese and then used chinese history and language against the native population to convince them to allow more people that are non-chinese into their country how do you think that would go? what about ghana? how about argentina?
so given you're now in the BEST country in the world, it's pretty fucking rich of you to chime in. yes, tell us more, o member of the great and wise afghan people, famous throughout human history for their many advancements in all fields of human endeavor, tell us, using the english language, and the system of logic and rationale that allowed you to live the life you currently live, explain to us lowly people, how we should give more of our nations to people like you. how you should have quotas in institutions, how you should have political representation, and special access to religious venues and food, how you should benefit from the economic system here to send money out of the country or bring more of your family here, how you should teach your children to be bilingual and encourage them to remember a previous country, your real country, while only barely tolerate their actual country of birth, which of course was not created for their benefit, and they simply profit from it due to a coincidence in historical time and german autism destroying white racial awareness 70 years ago.
tell me how despite the fact we have 10 to 30 thousand years of separation, we can suddenly get along, despite the fact you refuse to actually see yourself as american and exploit your self-appointed special status to plead and argue the case you should get more than people here for 10 generations.
The reason why we're against open borders is because the interests of US citizens will be shoved aside for foreigners who resent our culture. You can't mix oil with water, countries were divided a long time ago for a good reason.
Adam Russell
You only hate open borders because you want brown people to get cancer
It will help the environment because people will immigrant from places that are pollutting
Please tell me you aren't that stupid, to be anti-migrant
Nathaniel Reyes
Fuck off we're full paki piece of shit
Alexander Foster
What marketable skills do you have that would give potential recipient countries reason to let you become a citizen? Will you be an asset or a burden?
Mason Gonzalez
>You only hate open borders because you want brown people to get cancer
your arguments are all exactly countered by the following; 1) local populations are forced to pay taxes for immigrant welfare. 2) immigrants especially muslims are unable to intergrate into society 3) different ethnic groups have very different IQs, we arent meant to be mixed together. low IQ races should stay with low IQ races and high IQ races should stay with high IQ races. 4) if you want to experience culture go on a holiday. 5) even if the long term GDP argument were true you are destroying the culture of the host country, increasing crime dramatically and increasing social upheaval, 7) look at Sweden - they were 1st-2nd for living standards globally now they are like 50th because they have accepted a ton of 3rd world barbarians 8) islam is extremely dangerous and once it grows out of control it will literally destroy any host country, and turn it into a 3rd world shit hole 9) if i am paying taxes it should go to the citizens of the country first and foremost, not to support random refugees with no loyalty and no love for their host country.
Nathaniel Powell
If closed borders are alredy leaking a lot of illegals and causing a lot of problems no argument will convince me that opening them will be any good. The garbage life standards and morals the third world export to other countries are a fundemantal threat to any society, so fuck off with your weak excuse of arguments.
>Open Borders Will Double GDP Did open borders double the GDP of Afghanistan and other shitholes? All the intelligent, young and able flee, and the shithole turns to hellhole.
Gavin Clark
you have shit arguments
Refugees pay more taxes, everyone but me gotta learn this
you make me barf
its in the itnerest of U.S citizens to let foreigners in
everyone but me gotta learn thats nonsense
Juan Lopez
>open borders Go back shitskin.
Mason Gomez
everyone but me gotta learn this is nonsense, because this way it's controlled and monitored and not done underground.
Adam Rodriguez
>It will help the environment because people will immigrant from places that are pollutting Are you retarded? Fix your fucking country faggot. Then you won't have to immigrate to another one unless you are on a work visa.
Juan Baker
U.S imperialism is why Afganistan can't be fixed dingus.
Dominic Bailey
>be fortunate enough to be let in to the most prosperous country on earth by the most generous people on earth >instead of just shutting the fuck up and being grateful for the fact that you’re not living in a scum infested shithole, you try to get your host country to import even more shitholers than the already completely irresponsible amount we currently take in I really hope you’re just larping. Anyway, here’s a shithole video cause I need a laugh after your faggot post
>Refugees pay more taxes, everyone but me gotta learn this
Rubbish, but whatever, it's important to let other Australians know what is going on.
They get Newstart Allowance for humanitarian class Visas, then when that runs out they try to claim the Disability Pension with PTSD symptoms. If that doesn't work, they will get a medical certificate every fortnight to justify why they cannot find employment and sit on normal Newstart Allowance instead. These guys are always popping up in earned income interventions, and it's not because they don't know how to declare their earnings each fortnight. They will intermittently earn money from a legitimate job, but will always want a job which pays cash in hand so that they can continue to receive a benefit. When they bring their parents over, the parents will start to receive the pension while also receiving it from back home. It goes on and on. Their all thief's who barely work and would like nothing more then to see the country collapse while they receive free handouts. They have no shame in doing this because they feel no allegiance.
>1993 >USA Nigga what? Didn't the commies do that to you? >also no offence but that pic looks like the shitty CG pics for old Readers Digest adds
Jaxson Lee
Ok i fucked up there. But no the first pic looks amazing. I wouldn't mind living there.
Chase Hall
>hey look at me I'm a special shitskin No, fuck off. Back to your shithole ahmed.
Noah Walker
You worsen the look of the landscape GO BACK SHITSKIN
Charles Martinez
its not your country mohamed
Sebastian Reed
Counter arguments >we are freaks There are people who say that, but to further their own political agenda. If some scientific proof is provided for example a difference in cognitive capabilities then take that data at face value, science doesn't care about your feelings. >open borders will double the GDP The only open borders will do is the decrease the cost of labour and that makes it harder to find an income source, sustain self or family. Its all supply and demand, the more workers you have, the less you need them. Thats why when women were given the right to work the wages got sliced in half. >new cultures Its the people choice if they want to integrate a new culture, however if to many cultures are integrated the country might change as a whole, it would cause a collapse in the old culture, its history forgotten over time.
I don't see these things as planet saving plan. It would just cause a cultural war
Eli Roberts
Oh for fucks sakes, common, really! Fucking meme flag leftard and you answer the cunt.. Are you faggots for real?
yeah ok you wish you looked like pic related lmao, you mongol rape baby
Aiden Rivera
fuck off muzzie
Landon Martinez
PULWAMA
or is it too soon?
honestly I dont like warmongering between us, especially from our side I hate and strongly condemn groups inside our cunt who actually want to carry out such attacks on you as far as who actually carried out this attack, I really am not sure there is no reason for people on our side to have carried it out
Cooper Torres
I support you sticking a rocket up your ass and seeing how far it gets you over the ocean.
Carter Howard
I accept that there are cunts on our side who sold themselves to pak but you gotta admit that your govt had been sheltering terror groups for a long long time
Angel Davis
Now you're changing your meme flag? You will get genocided sooner or later anyway, it always happens to shitskin invaders.
Asher Long
Because open borders works so well in Afganistan
Owen Williams
the cunt is still probably posting from the 'ghan lol
>but you gotta admit that your govt had been sheltering terror groups for a long long time i am a conservative sunni and I want my Govt. to utterly ban all such groups and outfits I want growth and economic development i want trade with India both of our people should work for peace
accept it or not both armed forces and people of similar mindset do not want peace between us for them peace is without profit for us peace is the only way forward
imagine if there was free trade between us and an EU like economy Read on it and you will know Jinnah wanted Pakistan and India to have a relationship just like the US has with Canada also posting Indian cutie pie for good feels between us she is such a beaut please give her to us
>I want growth and economic development should've crossed the border in 47 >I want to trade with India what does pak even produce except underage militants? >both of our people should work for peace we tried dude, we still are, your islamic state keeps fucking up >both armed forces and people of similar mindset do not want peace between us No mohamed, that's your army that does not want peace >imagine if there was free trade between us sorry we can make our own bombs >please give her to us suck my balls abdul
Nicholas Barnes
>as if it still exists in our consumerist culture This is why you're an enemy you absolute subhuman
Brandon Roberts
>I dont like warmongering between us, especially from our side gee i wonder why that might be
It's being used to undermine wages. Also bringing shit violent cultures that we don't want.
Elijah Diaz
>an Afghani immigrant support Open Borders because you want more of your filth to be dumped here. duh.
Robert Rivera
1. you are freaks. You can't even tell the difference between "different from" and "different to." 2. That's a lie. We have long since outsourced all our manufacturing. Illegal immigrants provide no economic benefit. 3. So you admit you want to destroy our culture, but say it's good because you think it's already hurt and culture is some kind of buffet to you?
You are evil. Go back.
Kayden Phillips
I want a better life for my children, too. Where do I go?
Connor Garcia
university
Landon Morris
Only self hating morons vote for what is better for the planet. Non-morons vote based on rational self-interest. Western nations are democracies. The nation state functions by having citizens which aren't morons voting. Fuck off.
Joshua Walker
Not all land is made to live on bad soil. I’m starting to think that all of you Third Worlders are parasites who can’t stand success And want to turn what’s clean and well into filth.
Dominic Barnes
>I am sort of an Afghan immigrant GTFO
Joshua Thompson
I will bite, YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL DO NOT SPEAK FOR AN ENTIRE RACE OR CULTURE!!! Second, our culture collide in many aspects and you force your culture to the rest, if you dare to set a foot here in my country expect to get lynched or die. Btw this is a fact but the ones who migrate en massé are low lives, how I can be so sure? Because in my country we too have immigration and those who come are the lowlives from the mountains but at least they know their places and are properly quarantined in poor districts what no respectable citizen visits. VERY FEW manage to leave those places and rise in social status and the rest keeps being a problem.
Charles Sullivan
You make America so much worse in ways you will never understand. White people are bending over backwards to make you and your family feel welcome, it's not sustainable. Go home and fight for your own country rather than leaching onto America.
Chase Watson
As we know minorities cause violence.immigrants are taking jobs.races have advanteges and dissadvantages.black people arent meant to be in europe or in america because after thousands of years evolution helped them to live in africa.black skin to survive in the sun,bigger noses for more air.whites are supposed to be in eu, where we can get D vitamin from sun,have smaller noses and blue eyes to see better in the dark (in forest and shit).so shouldnt people jist stay in their countries?yeah but some countries are fucking shit(for example india)so for now immigration should be possible but it should be hard to enter a country.
Kayden Lee
>wages immigrants from poor countries decrease wages as they are willing to accept lesser pay than native born people, median earnings do not recover, median wages when accounting for inflation in the west have been essentially stagnant or dropping for the past 20 years. >corporations and prices corporations will not lower prices simply due to labour being cheaper, they have a legal responsibility to shareholders to maximize profits, thus they will sell for as much as the market can bear and will pay as little as the market will allow, so while technically they 'can' lower prices, they don't and won't. >GDP immigration does indeed increase net GDP, however when immigration is from poor countries real GDP per capita drops, governments have a larger population to provide public services to while at the same time a proportionally smaller tax base. >country of origin open borders provide a strong disincentive for development and investment in poor countries. The individuals in poor countries that are productive enough to leave do so, the ones that are not productive enough stay however they stay in a country with less total productivity, a smaller tax base, less education, less job opportunities etc, thus not only is the average person in rich countries worse off under open borders but the average person in a poor country is worse off. >the elites The only people that do well from open borders are the top 10% or so of both the rich and poor country. in the rich country the wealthy individuals now have more customers along with a work force that it can pay less than native borns. The top 10% from the poor countries are the immigrants and they are better off too as while they earn less than native borns they earn more than in their country of origin.
Anthony Lopez
also would just like to say that economics is not everything, i would rather be in a community that is culturally homogeneous than a more wealthy 'melting pot' of cultures. >“The closer men came to perfecting for themselves a paradise, the more impatient they became with it, and with themselves as well. They made a garden of pleasure, and became progressively more miserable with it as it grew in richness and power and beauty; for then, perhaps, it was easier to see something was missing in the garden, some tree or shrub that would not grow. When the world was in darkness and wretchedness, it could believe in perfection and yearn for it. But when the world became bright with reason and riches, it began to sense the narrowness of the needle's eye, and that rankled for a world no longer willing to believe or yearn.” - Walter M. Miller Jr., A Canticle for Leibowitz
