When will the socialism doesn't work meme finally die?

Where is that 1 billion died from capitalism meme I had...

>he doesn't know what NEP is

I always thought it was understood that centralized economies are really good at urbanizing poor rural countries

But not good at a lot of other things.

Retard has never heard of an industrial revolution. America went through one without saving 20+ million citizens to get death.

Accelerationism is Zionism prove me wrong

Starving*

millions died you fucking moron.

America has never had food shortages. Venezula has and so did USSR and North Korea.

People tried to escape the communist utopia of East Germany. Sounds like it was a real dreamy place if the citizens wanted out.

Cuba is a mess and they drive broken down cars from 80 years ago.

No thanks, socialism/communism is shit

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>implying the US crashed anyway near as hard as the USSR
>implying the government bailouts were saving anything apart from specific companies and it wasn't just corruption

Here is a look at the glorious socialist space program now

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China in 1949: Dirt Poor

China in 2019: Dirt Poor but with a bunch of billionaires fleeing country.

Russia in 1917: Dirt Poor.

Russia by 1960: Dirt Poor and 31 years away from a complete govt collapse.

Self inflicted wound from politicians

wow. i wish i was born in china, russia, or bolivia now.

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Wrong you stupid faggot

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capitalist space program aint shit either

The USSR didn’t implode you moron, the leadership post-Stalin slowly introduced free market Capitalism and dismantled the union undemocratically. The people voted to continue as a Soviet Union

8 million die each year from capitalist hunger.

Evo Morales is by many measures more right wing and populist than their boogeymen like Donald Trump, Jair Bolsonaro and Matteo Salvini.They call themselves communitarians and nationalists and want "Andean nationalist capitalism." Its a big hodgepodge of a coalition and not what they think it is.

>The USSR didn’t implode you moron, the leadership post-Stalin slowly introduced free market Capitalism and dismantled the union undemocratically. The people voted to continue as a Soviet Union

Holy fucking shit FUCKING THIS

do the Chinese tax the rich and powerful?

>muh "not real socialism"
Yeah but Bush didn't actually take any money from rich people to pay that $7T to the international banks. He just said the money was there and it was there.
>the cretins cloning and feeding
Meme? That's called for-profit healthcare and no real environmental regulations.
Millions are dying right now inside and outside the US as a result of US government support of capitalism militarily and as a matter of policy.
Venezuelan producers got paid to keep the food off the shelves, and there are food insecure Americans by the million while you take away the social programs that feed them.
There's been no meaningful publicly funded science in 30 years user, stop it.
>they'll collapse eventually
Yeah eventually huh?

>Russia by 1990
>Dirt poor

Socialism promotes rapid gains and rises in living condition for all people and it objectively achieves those goals. The problem is that it's completely unsustainable as the system punishes wealth creation while also cannibalizing wealth, it then sends countries into collapse one the wealth runs out. Which then sends the living conditions of the populace into the ground, with starvation, disease and crime running rampant.

US with 90% top tax rate 90% white

US with 37% top tax rate 53% white and falling fast

Neoliberal capitalism= white genocide

At least it isn't just rotting away in a building somewhere.

And why do you think they introduced such things ? Because the previous system didn't work at all and couldn't last long term.

>>muh "not real socialism"
what?

Capitalism promotes immigration. Reminder if you want to stop immigration, you end capitalism.

Why does Jow Forums love fake news so long as it’s anti-Socialist?
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Pretty much this. Socialism in homogeneous societies works wonders; look at the Nordic model.

Socialism in multicultural, formerly imperialist countries like Russia or China just leads back to the same dictatorship under another name with more power/money concentrated in the state, millions dead and the remainder poorer than they once were.

It's impossible to reason with a pinko but hopefully they figure out sooner or later that Socialism in America would not be Sweden during the 70s. It'd be Venezuela or Brazil.

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China was a fuckin mess during Mao- barely literate population and mass starvation after the Great Leap Forward. Deng Xiaopeng was pretty much the father of modern China. His economic policies were very much market based. It was Deng that made China’s economy, not Mao.

yes, what are you trying to say?

The Soviet Union industrialized through the transfer of technology, both through their initial alliance with the Allied powers and their control of East Germany and the former German scientists.

Once that came to end, so did the Soviet economy because communism does not inspire innovation, and capital is not resourced efficiently.

With China, it is not a communist economy. It's a mixed economy, but it still lives within a very controlled police state that rapes its free market, including multi-nationals. Once we end transfer of technology, China will slow down. They already are. It will require coordination with European nations to "choke" them of innovation and markets to sell to.

It is easy to have"high growrh" when you are at the very bottom.

amerimutts short circuiting reading this post

do they even have twitter in China?

Oh yeah i forgot what a paradise China is

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It didn’t work at all? They went from tsarist shithole to world super power. Life expectancy, caloric intake, standard of living shot up. I love how you cucks vehemently oppose and criticize revolutionary states but refuse to apply those same criticisms to late Capitalism.

>2nd largest economy
>literally has 1.4 billion people in it
let's check per capita
oh wow look at this, it's almost as if socialist lefties can't help but be disingenuous fucks

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>China in 1962, 45 million dead in last 4 years due to starvation from central government mismanagement

Why did you leave out Cambodia, Cuba, and Venezuela?

That socialism isn't real socialism when it goes against the narrative. It's a meaningless argument that can just be dismissed because it's invalid.

>capitalists resort to “true communism has never been tried” when a commie country is successful
A M A Z I N

yes, i just said that nordic countries are not socialist?

This is the only correct answer.

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Nordic model is already is already showing cracks. If Venezuela was a car crash, The scandinavian countries (and my own, which is said to be similar) Is that same car crash just in slow motion.

Russia was a major power before the Soviet union too, but yeah there were a change for the better but the issue is that there is no long term stability. Hence why all socialist states may end up good initially but implode or change for survival later on.

>muh not real socialism

wait are there more faggots here who think nordic countries are socialist? what the fuck happened to this board?

are you fucking retarded

When we start throwing socialists out of helicopters.

China isn't communist though, there is a clear "capitalist class" who controls things. Just look at how the kids of the runners of companies or party members live.

When will the socialists finally understand the definition of "sustainability"?

There's a reason Russia isn't a commie shit pit anymore, retard.

All it takes is time. Economic collapse is literally an inevitability

They only had to kill tens of millions of people first

>n-not real socialism

thats why people are flooding here right?

show flag hate crime hoax enabler.

The cracks are due to foolish immigration policies, not the Nordic model itself. Turns out a welfare state doesn't really work so well if you keep importing people to be on it.

I liked raping them with dogs more.

and all they had to do was purge millions of the population

you’re coping bro, communism worked in china

And he got arrested for it. I don't know what your point is.

China stopped being socialist in 1982. They allowed private property, which is not socialist.

Bolivia began allowing private property and markets in 1976. Not socialist.

Cuba just stopped being socialist as well last year. Same thing. Private property.

Socialism is dying, everywhere, and socialists are desperate to take ownership of some success. Any success.

Now... kiddies... Does anyone know of a socialist like system which permits private property?

lets all just find some middleground solution xD

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>mass starvation during retarded commie reforms
>ending up having to go capitalist
>working

Sounds like you're the one coping

they went full capitalist to save themselves is what changed. calling china a socialist state with these people working for nothing and a few ones having succes.

>capitalist nordic country implements a socialist policy
>they’re still a capitalist country
>commie country implements capitalist policies
>they’re not still a commie country they’re a capitalist country now
???????

No, in Chinkland you have to buy Land Use Rights from the state. It’s commie.

>>capitalist nordic country implements a socialist policy
socialism doesnt own the concept of social welfare any more than feminism owns the concept of gender equality

Most things in life are gray rather than black and white. Even if you want to argue that both norway and china has aspects of socialism, both are majority capitalistic.

>seizing wealth and giving it to the poor is no longer a socialist policy
the contortions you have to go through

Exactly. China is a communist country which has implemented some capitalist policies. Many western countries are capitalist countries that have implemented some socialist policies.

>>seizing wealth and giving it to the poor is no longer a socialist policy
what kind of libertarian retard do you have to be to think that tax is "seizing wealth"

>socialists so desperate for a win they suck of any shitty police state that keeps "people's" or "socialist" in its name
Lmao all these dumbasses would probably pull a 180 on the America hate if we changed our name to "The People's United States of America" or maybe "United Socialist States of America". Wouldn't even need to change any of our policies

>China in 1949: dirt poor
>China in 2019: average citizen is still dirt poor + tens of millions killed by the government + complete and utter lack of morality

>Russia in 1917: dirt poor
>Russia by 1960: average citizen still dirt poor + tens of millions killed by the government + Eastern Europe forced to live under corrupt Soviet rule + genocides carried out against Ukrainians, Chechens, etc.
Fucking tankies

That's the literal definition of tax you finnish fuck

>has the majority of wealth being owned by a minority with a strong capitalist class owning a lot of the means of production and getting most of the benefits from it
>but but it's still communist I swear

The Nordic countries are better as wealth distribution than the supposedly communist China is.

i guess every country except somalia is socialist then :^)

>defending socialism
>l-libertarian retard!
yikes

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Have you ever been to Bolivia?

Anyway, the answer is natural gas and narcotrafic.

Hey you fucking retards, how about you come to a point or conclusion with some supplementary information so we can all have some sort of "take-away" instead of arguing like a bunch of fucking pussies.

Retard 1: Why do you not consider these countries socialist?

Retard 2: Why do you consider these countries socialist?

Holy fucking shit I hate all of you retards desu.

Clueless

You are a genuine fucking moron. Holy shit. I wish we could cut all taxes like you retards want just so we can watch your miserable ideology die. Standard of living would drop to Africa levels

But those foolish immigration policies are directly because of the soft socialist state, as it is still cannibalising wealth albeit at a much slower rate. thus, they attempt to fix the problem by importing new people (more specifically their wealth) into the system.

The problem is, by importing more people you are also creating additional demands onto the system, which is why you see immigration numbers keep climbing and climbing.

>government 'solves' problem caused by the government
wew

>China stopped being socialist in 1982. They allowed private property, which is not socialist.
>Bolivia began allowing private property and markets in 1976. Not socialist.

You have no fucking idea what socialism is, Do you? I mean that's pretty dumb considering you are from the country with a NATIONAL SOCIALISM PARTY.

Mexico has been a socialist state since 50s and they allow private property and capitalism, socialism is more focused on Social programs like free healthcare, free education etc... in countries like China and Cuba they go further with subsidized houses. But yeah those countries are socialist states to an extent.

Maybe once it actually works

Nope.

You, an individual, can own the means of production. Jack Ma, is worth $42 billion.

It's not communist, or socialist.

So kiddies... If it's not communist, or socialist... But a totalitarian political system based on socialism but which allows private property...

What is it called?

Hints:
Popular in the 1930s...
Got a bit of a bad name for itself...

Anyone?

>Thrown out and rendered useless by Stalinization
>Removed workers control from Unions and collectivized industries and moved them under the authority of the state
Lenin was a garbage socialist, and couldnt even practice what he laod out in the State and Revolution. All non-Erfutian communists are simply bourgoesie counter-elites hiding their lust for power behind a class narrative.

The system could still work, the problem is that the system should be focused on supporting people in work and children. Instead it's the elderly getting more and more while they contribute fuck all so are just a net drain.

>China

China's big break came when this guy opened them up to the world, they should have more pictures/statues of Nixon than anybody else.

I don't even know who would be filling the hegemonic gap China is filling now if China was still just a giant black hole.

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It worked in Poland so well that we still are dirt poor, thanks.

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Thats not socialism if they have private property user, you have a capitalist welfare state.