Holocaust debate

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"muh dresden ohio train crash"

nah ur just a retard. There are pictures of them burning people in trenches. Shit happened , b

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Based as fuck

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all 4 of these things can be easily proven

starting with the "no plan" argument

Have to zoom in on this one. (right click view image then zoom)

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Three threads is enough. You're not saying anything new just spamming the same pics again as if the other threads never happened.

HIDE THE THREAD

It happened.
Consequently between 69 and 74 NON JEWISH people were killed in WW2
So maybe the Jews don’t need to be treated like they were the only ones to suffer

dont be upset that im educated the zoomers

Posting that same lefty/pol/ blog thats posted by every believer in threads like these. Its a site by some random guy with no special insight or education into the holocaust and admits right on his first page not only that but that his purpose is not to find the truth but specifically to get back at evil deniers. Thats not how historians work. Its no better than the stormfag infographs he claims to hate so much. Post from legit official research holocaust sites if you must. There are plenty. Not a lefty/pol/ blog by some no name.

69 and 74 MILLION

>y-you're spamming pic meanwhile i spam debunked infographics

OY VEY DELETE THIS THREAD GOYS

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>German occupied europe was Germany before the way.
>Why did Germany have to pay reparations to non german europeans who escaped the holocaust and fled to Israel after the war?!"
Hard to say. Might be because they were ordered to by the U.N.

>spend the past 5 years spamming stormfront infographs

>get mad when we get our own infographs

oh man that shit is SUPER funny

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Boi, its sourced

Non Jews have hated Jews for so long why shouldn't I believe a holocaust happened please don't give me that wood door cringe

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You already did that and got laughed at in the other threads. You're just spamming now. Sage and hidden. Lurkers can see if they want to know more.

IGNORE MEMEFLAGGOTS

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>no gas chambers existed at auschwitz

Check the map. Krema 2-3 and to the side krema 4 and 5.

these buildings were all blown the fuck up before the soviets arrived for some reason. (krema 4 was burned down in a jewish uprising but they all got machine gunned)

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you seem REALLY concerned that people might see this thread

why?

>Germans arguably among the most efficient peoples of 20th century
>Germans would waste endless amounts of resources and infrastructure to cook jews instead of just putting a bullet in their heads and being done with it
Hmm, but you see, the fire ritual isn't in christian/germanic people's culture.

Ironically, it's in judaism...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnt_offering_(Judaism)

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krema 2 post BLOWN THE FUCK UP

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I can circle random buildings too shlomo. Where's the proof they were oven buildings?

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>endless amounts of resources

shooting 1.2 million jews would have cost the german treasury more than what they did at the camps

>"Durr there was no numbers for the cremations! They couldn't do that many"
>t. a literal retard
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Kikes have been spamming that pic for threads now.

No one has posted any proof its real.

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the blueprints

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>German-occupied europe
>before the war

wat

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“Aktenvermerk Betr.: Anwesenheit von Obering. Prüfer der Fa. Topf u. Söhne Erfurt, bezüglich Ausbau der Einäscherungsanlagen im K.G.L. Auschwitz,” State Museum Auschwitz, BW 30/27, 38f.

>a post from the TRS forum

lol his second post is wrong.

since there is literally recon photos of people being burned in pits outside of krema 5 at the height of the hungarian operation

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Show any actual document mentioning a plan to exterminate the jews.
The Germans kept records of all who died in the camps, and how they died, why no mention of the number of people who were gassed?
How come not a single decoded German transmission mentioned anything about this at all? Why build the entrance to the gas chamber in plain sight from the camp swimming pool?
How come not a single eye witness has described corpses with read skin in the camps where they supposedly were killed by carbonmonoxide?
Why chose the least effective way to genocide them, while fighting an extremely costly war?

Where was that blueprint produced/published first? Also just circling rectangle buildings as oven centers is still reaching. Any pictures of jews lined up, bodies being deposed in these airshots? 6 million would be a 24X7 operation, should have been easy to get.

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>lol his second post is wrong.

Still haven't posted any proof its wrong.

>Being this stupid
Hanging them would ve even cheaper. Or are you going to arhue that thr length of rooe needed would cost more than building x number of gas chsmbers and crematoriums for this sole purpose?

I actually have another recon photo series that is animated and you can see large groups of people being moved into the road towards the facility.

Left side. group south moving north and a group in the north moving towards the tree southward

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Length of rope*

so we are back to the photos of the typhus victims?
btw:
>treeline only grows about a 20 foot increase over nearly 75 years

Prove him right. You posted the shit and that guy never even provided sources

>hanging them would have been cheaper

how do you hang 1000 people in 10-20 minutes?

>People have been spamming that image for threads now
Probably because it is not only:
Independently confirmed as a letter written by a nazi officer detailing the creamatoria,
A hard number of persons killed in a day
A hard number by which casualties per day at one site can be determined
Is written by a nazi (Did I mention that once? Oh well guess what)
But has been able to stand up to all critical scrutiny and is the basis by which all data can reliably be determined. Why? Because it is a record of the number killed on a given day.
The reason nobody has "Proven it's real" is because so far you've failed to make an argument that stands up to critical analysis which purports it to be fake. If you claim it is fake, prove it. You've made the extraordinary claim. A claim that goes against multiple lines of evidence and against the authors own admission. So prove it.

First: what the fuck are we taking about?

holocaust debate

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Tel Aviv on a mission in this thread.

Wow people moving into buildings. Still haven't proven those are ovens.

>Independently confirmed as a letter written by a nazi officer detailing the creamatoria,

Source please.

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For what reason would a group of 100+ people be moved around if it was just a prison camp? they were about to be killed

You get a thousand ropes. You seriously have a harder time imagening hanging a thousand people, than sticking them in trains headed for camps in another country, where they will patiently wait for their turn to enter a tiny gas chamber underground with 500 other people at a time, before being transported up an elevator to be cremated in 47 ovens.

IGNORE MEMEFLAGGOTS

The author.
You see the name down there at the bottom?
Matches an actual person who, oh would you look at that, worked there.
More to the point, signature and correction is spot on for his handwriting.
So let's see:
Person who was there was the author.
His signature, which is a dead match, is on it.
Archived after liberation of camp, with clear chain of custody and Nuremberg trial notation indicated on upper right hand corner.
Multiple independent lines of evidence, all converging on the same conclusion:
Original document.
Have you ever browsed the archives user?

>wow guys moving at a camp

if you know anything about the layout of the camp. You would know there would be no reason for prisoners to be in this area since its outside of the camp

pic related.

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>Independently confirmed
by (((who)))?
what establishes the authenticity of a record or artifact is its "Provenance". An unbroken chain of use, ownership, and definition of the item in question.
Where did that jpeg come from?

Is it an actual photo?

Is it a photo of an actual object?

Where is the object now?

Who has had possession of the object?

And where did they claim they got it?

Is there any record of the object being present in the context claimed, at a time of 5 years ago, or 10 years ago, or 25 years ago, or 50 years ago.
That's how real forensic investigation uses Provenance to establish Proof
So, what are the answers.

>you get 1000 ropes

so you need 1000 soldiers to put the noose around the necks of the jews?

Why not just stuff 2000 of them into a room and have 3-4 guys dump pellets into the ceiling?

for being such a nordic super aryan you have a shitty retard brain

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>The author.
>You see the name down there at the bottom?
>Matches an actual person who, oh would you look at that, worked there.
>More to the point, signature and correction is spot on for his handwriting.

All of it can easily be forged by a crafty kike. Jews lie, its what they do, specially with the press. So where/when was that document published first?

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That's about the worst claim anyone could ever make. It's clear you just pulled that excuse right off the top of your head. For someone who wants to prove holocaust happened, you sure are doing the exact opposite (good job if that's what you aim for).

With modern day calculations, it costs about 360.000$ to fire 1,2m bulllets, an amount that is way, WAY less than maintaining a camp for a few years.

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>By (((who)))?
Look at the signature.
Look at it.
>is it an actual photo
>Where is the object now
Still where it has been since Nuremberg
>Who has posession of the object
The Holocaust museum. You are free to examine it whenever you wish. You can even request a scan and watch them pull it out of the archives.
>Where did they claim they got it
From the location indicated. Note bottom lines, above signature, then upper right hand corner.
>Is there any record of it...
Yep.
Uh huh.
You know it.
Used in Nuremberg in 1946 and 47
Recorded for Shoah 1967 and the documentary itself. Used in multiple documentaries from the 1950s until present. Was presented as evidence for trials in canada, was used as recently as 2014 for a nazi war crimes documentary. And is readily available right now at the auschwitz museum.
For 74 years the same document has existed with no changes save for age.

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>so you need
1 dig really deep well
2 throw a shekel in
3 watch 1000 jews jump
?????????????????????
PROFIT!!!!!!!!!

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>Independentl confirmed
So is the Bible, Quran.
So was Micheal Brown's murder to be by a racist cop
So was Jussie Smallot's Story
So was The racism displayed by those ebil rasisss whyte Catholic boys wearing Maga Hats
So was the Buzzfeed Story on Trump's involvement in the Russian Collusion case
Thank God for the Comfirman done by (((independent))) people.

It happened guys look at these fences this is made by someone who hates their prisoners touching it would be death

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how much money does it cost to ship those bullets from factories in germany to poland and the USSR?

What about the human cost? they invented the gas chambers specifically because german soldiers were going crazy from murdering kids on the ostfront

Its a layered photo

Surprise! It has layers...

Ah yes, it was a forgery by a jew who did it in literal minutes as the camp commander surrendered and handed over control of the camp to the occupying forces. A jew suddenly rushed in, made up this document, then managed to find the 1943 death numbers folders, filed it away in the precisely right date, and was able to expertly forge his signature in the space of .2 minutes (The total amount of time that people were not in the commanders office that day).
Makes sense.
If we go for the least parsimonious explanation. You know, the one that requires the most assumptions.

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Come redpill these brainlets.

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1. The time, money and rescources needed to move them to the camps would be ridiculous, if you only meant to kill them.
2. We're not talking 2-3 pellets, we are talking cans, and the pellets do not turn into gas instantly in room temperature, so you expect the people in the chamber to not break down the wooden door in the hour+ it takes to fill the room with gas.
3. The room would take forever to ventilate, which you need to do in order to get the bodies out.
4. Why waste money on coal for burning them? Why not dump them in mass graves?
5. Hanging was just one example of many more efficient ways, you would not need 1 solider per jew, you are seriously retarded if you think so.

>Zombies

This tops masturbation machines and tickling to death

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>Why not just stuff 2000 of them into a room and have 3-4 guys dump pellets into the ceiling?
You get your 'facts' from very unbiased sources, I see. Hahaha

For being an amerimutt you have the exact brain capacity I expected you to have.

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actually it was a time traveling jew get your facts right

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>wooden door

no wooden door

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I’m a Jew and I say Holocaust them all!

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>ventilation

blueprints show a positive pressure ventilation system

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>why waste money on coal

Coal was cheap as fuck it was 1940s everything was powered by coal

EVERYTHING

>Shit can be forged. You proved it with that train crash photo in your first post;)

Just answer this one question -why o to so much effort to murder jews, when:

> it would have been much cheaper to shoot them in the streets
>it would have been much cheaper to shoot them in the traincars
>it would have been much cheaper to shoot them in the camps
>it would have been much, much cheaper to starve them

Also, given the other jew tale about how they were always hated and oppressed -why o to the effort of doing it in secret?

What is the difference between (Krema) crematorium and a gas chamber?

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Sorry, can't read german. But sure I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, let' say it was a steel door. How would the 500 people not resistet when promted to enter a windowless tiny room for no apparent reason. They surely would have sensed something was off? Or at least panicked when there was no room left, yet people were still pushed in?

>So is the bible and quran
Nobody except biblical literalists assume the Torah, tanakh, and new testaments are literal tellings. You talk to literally any expert and you will be given a treatise on Judaic history and mythology and how the stories serve as a foundational mythology for the state of Israel.
> Jussie Smallot story.
Yeah, independently confirmed as a hoax. Of that, there is literally no debate at this point. His story fell apart and it was rightly called out for the load of horse hockey it was.
>Racism by catholic kids.
And what happened when evidence came out? Oh right, the story vanished over night because the left lost their footing and moral ground (Which they never had).
In each case you mentioned, independent confirmation got to the truth of the matter because multiple lines of evidence converged on the truth.

at last One I can Like

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Still cheaper with spades.

Glad you got rid of the muslim memeflag, it's pretty clear you're a kike.

also nobody is falling for your disinfo. try reddit.

There has never been a single person that has been forensically proven to have died from inhalation of Hydrogen Cyanide. The ash of millions of people has never been found. The names of the people supposedly gassed has never been released.

If there's no evidence that would stand up in a murder trial, I think that proves it didn't happen.

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I cannot choose (((who))) my blood comes from, but I can work to correct the mistake

>Time travelling Jews.
I confess.
I am the great time travelling jew! I actually went back in time, talked to Reinhard Heydrich and told him how to do it.
He then did it because if you can't believe a time traveler, who can you believe?

anyone who denies the holocaust is a fucking idiot

>how much money does it cost to ship those bullets from factories in germany to poland and the USSR?
kek. Less money than shipping all the people. In modern day post office, shipping costs depends heavily on the weight of the package. We have no reason to assume it was any different back then.
60kg human vs 60gram bullet.
Hmmm

>USSR
You mean those camps at the edge of Poland that were discovered by the soviets and were the 'death camps' as opposed to the other ones in safety of Germany that were just concentration camps?

>The human cost
>Soldiers going crazy for murdering kids
So you're now saying the evil nazees accepted kids dying as long as they weren't the ones doing it?

Is this the true argument power of a holohoaxer?

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It didn't happen. Smdj

>it would have been cheaper to shoot them in the streets
they did this and found that it was inhumane to the soldiers and was unsustainable

>it would have been cheaper to shoot them than put them on traincars
Actually using soldiers to kill jews when a war is being raged is retarded

>it would have been easier to starve them
How do you starve people who can just walk away and find food? If you have them in a camp and they start starving they will just riot. Just tell them they are taking a shower and boom 2000 are dead in 10 minutes

You think you are smarter than the germans. They went through all this shit and found that gassing them was the best way to kill them