Between 2000 and 2016, employment in the German energy sector remained relatively stable, declining only slightly to 368,200 people from 372,200. More than a third of the workers are now involved in renewable energy and bioenergy, compared with fewer than 10 percent in 2000; the new jobs, as a rule, pay significantly more than the old ones which often involved manual labor in coal mining and coal power plants.
Building up more complex industries is important for the social part of any Green New Deal because they create better jobs for workers than commodity industries that can only compete on price. Germany already outperforms the U.S. on job-quality and job-security indicators.
You guys buy your electricity from France because Mama Merkel was too chickenshit scared of nuclear power
Landon Rodriguez
>green new deal >Russian nat gas pipline
lel ok
Zachary Mitchell
Not to mention electric rates are far higher than France and even most of the rest of the EU.
Adrian Robinson
and russia
Brody Collins
>You guys buy your electricity from France That was true 15 years ago, no more. Germany is a massive electricity exporter using dumping prices during peak electricity generation.
Today, we are actually the biggest net exporter of electricity in Europe outpacing France.
Bitte, tell me what a kWh kosts in Germany, Hanz...
Parker Lopez
wow, germany got about a 25% gain towards people working in renewable energy*
*despite a loss of 4000 jobs
The US should thus do a complete overhaul of its infrastructure!
Jose Powell
>restart your coal plants to make up for when the wind isn't blowing >make electricity more expensive >end up producing more carbon dioxide than before >literally zero benefit for anyone in Germany OK Hans
Nicholas Thompson
We are closing down coal power plants and don't want to import any Saudi oil any more. The logical option for baseload electricity is Russian natural gas. We have the world's largest natural gas storage system at over 12 months full storage... allowing us to just buy LNG gas if Russia were to block any gas delivery (which they haven't even done during the cold war, when we first built pipelines!).
Chase Wright
>Not to mention electric rates are far higher than France and even most of the rest of the EU. That's not entirely true. We highly tax our electricity, but our generation costs are extremely low.
Do you know how many jobs in the energy sector the US has lost in the past 20 years? Close to 200,000.
Noah Edwards
>dumping prices during peak electricity generation.
key words. >peak generation
Your grid is unstable because of renewables. When its running at maximum efficiency its a great network - cheap energy etc etc
Problem is that it rarely runs at peak efficiency >While the EU as a whole needed to import 53.6 percent of the energy it consumed in 2016, Germany’s dependence was still higher with an import share of 63.5 percent – a slight rise compared to the previous year’s 61.9 percent.
The big problem is that greenies like to divide up the energy pie so that its easier to disguise their failures. >The only acceptable way to measure progress is an analysis of *all * energy consumption.
Example: >We use solar now! so green! >doesnt meet the needs of industry >industry imports gas to run on private generators to power their factories.
Lincoln Martin
>Exporting during peak moments >For dumping prices So you had to create an enormous surplus capacity (at immense costs) due to the unreliable nature of wind energy, and now you have to sell that expensive surplus for basically free? Sounds like a great deal.
Just wait until European electrical switch centers get tired of balancing out your capricious power supply by shutting down coal and gas capacity at a moment's notice and start charging you for dumping surplus hippy current in our network.
>So you had to create an enormous surplus capacity (at immense costs) due to the unreliable nature of wind energy, and now you have to sell that expensive surplus for basically free? Sounds like a great deal.
It is for you. You get electricity at 1 cent a kwh for a significant number of days a year.
HOWEVER, we are currently putting in storage units at every wind power and solar power plant, e.g. deep sea hydraulic storage units, water pump storage etc.
Adam Hall
I really dislike you krauts
Sebastian Mitchell
Aren't you currently wasting 50 billion in tax money building some Hinkley Point C plant that is years behind schedule?
Alexander Barnes
EDF has negotiated a guaranteed fixed price – a "strike price"– for electricity from Hinkley Point C of £92.50/MWh (in 2012 prices),[23][70] which will be adjusted (linked to inflation) during the construction period and over the subsequent 35 years tariff period. The strike price could fall to £89.50/MWh if a new plant at Sizewell is also approved.[23][70] High consumer prices for energy will hit the poorest consumers hardest according to the Public Accounts Committee.[72]
In July 2016, the National Audit Office estimated that due to falling energy costs, the additional cost to consumers of 'future top-up payments under the proposed HPC CfD had increased from £6.1 billion in October 2013, when the strike price was agreed, to £29.7 billion'.[73][74] In July 2017, this estimate rose to £50 billion, or 'more than eight times the 2013 estimate'.[8]
Research carried out by Imperial College Business School argues that no new nuclear power plants would be built in the UK without government intervention.
Dominic Sanders
>We're idiots but you profit from it so we're not idiots Also mass electricity storage (on national or even provincial scale) is an even larger money pit. Until now, the only plans have been more than megalomaniac and not feasible in the least.
Why won't you admit you're conducting tofu science fiction whilst the real alternative is cheap, proven, powerful, reliable and, last bit not least, actually existing outside the heads of naive politicians.
Isaac Adams
why are americans so butthurt about russian gas?
Josiah Morgan
What about the other "policies" that she will push along the New Epic Deal?
Ian Walker
>Also mass electricity storage (on national or even provincial scale) is an even larger money pit.
Wrong. In Bavaria we have had pump storage plants forever, because we got mountains there and water.
There are various technologies that can cheaply store generated electricity. And for daily fluctuations you just need to store several hours worth of generated electricity (e.g. for a 250MW offshore wind power plant, a 500,000 kwh storage is enough - sounds big, but actually isn't really, it can be done by using water pump storages - pumping water "up" or out of a deep sea hollow sphere and letting it in again to have generators generate electricity during downtimes).
Of course, seasonal peaks are way harder to smooth out. So we aren't even thinking doing seasonal peaks with storage... this is why we have natural gas plants. Natural gas plants are perfect as they can be fired up on short notice and aren't costing much during times when they are not needed.
John Robinson
Because we want you to buy ours and fuck you.
Benjamin Lewis
The fact everyone claims Trump and the US are under Russia's thumb, while European countries rely on Russia for more than a third of their natural gas supply.
James Wilson
The jew is right. She's like that autist at a party that just cannot stop shoehorning some stale shit in time and time again. The green new deal is actually just the red new deal II with some green glaze drizzled over it
Justin Torres
The Germ is right, this Green Deal will work (it will have an impact on environment and create a few jobs). But they're irrelevant in the large scale of her other destructive policies (high taxes, anti -business -look what she did with Amazon , she costed NYC the biggest investment). She's an absolute wreck, another 8 years of Obama.
