My Aunt and I got into an argument about why I shouldn't hate the world and it's actually on me and that I hate myself...

My Aunt and I got into an argument about why I shouldn't hate the world and it's actually on me and that I hate myself. I don't. I tried to explain to her all of my viewpoints on why I can't stand society but she just got angry, mocked my explanations in an over exaggerated manner, and told me I have no backbone because I rather live alone in the woods than deal with society. I dont pretend I have issues, but my Aunt didn't really understand were I was coming from. I just feel hurt and dont know what to even do or say to her anymore.

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If people don't really accept you in this world that then maybe it is you. like I get it most of the people I interact with are complete retards and no one wants to change. But at the same time I think to myself that if I were just a stupid and just as approachable as they are then I would have a happy life so maybe I do hate myself that's how you should look at it. Maybe you don't like the fact that they can enjoy their lives when you can't sometimes.

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Yeah, because it is normies who are always right, and its is YOU that have to conform to their views on how our society should look like despite being born with a different set of psychological traits. Be like us or get socially ostracized weirdo :o)

It's perfectly natural to hate the world and yourself but neither of those are reasons to choose to act or not act in society. If you hate yourself it doesn't matter where you are you will find a way to hate where you are because you will always be there. As for society. We're living in the Kali Yuga. Everything is decaying into an end state completely void of any Divine presence or contact with actually spiritual avenues where people are more likely to act on the most base compulsions they all program into each other... But if you hate it you're also participating in it no matter where you go. If you going away from it is a reaction to it's condition then your behavior as also an emanation of it. I'm not saying do or don't live in the woods. I'm just saying if what you truly want is to not participate in it, then understanding its baseness is only the most early step in liberation. You could act within society without your presence in it being a participation in it, or you could act outside it. Either way not participating starts within before any actions on your part take place

> But at the same time I think to myself that if I were just a stupid and just as approachable as they are then I would have a happy life so maybe I do hate myself that's how you should look at it.

I don't think everyone is stupid or living a happy life. I think people just do whatever give them the least amount of stress for the most amount of comfort
> Maybe you don't like the fact that they can enjoy their lives when you can't sometimes.
The only truth to this is that I wish I had made better choices in my life so that I could live as well as some people. I really dont want to be caught in the next trend of fashion, tv show or media sensation. I just want to have a secure future for once in my life. I just hate how everybody feels like their ideas are so justified and right when all I'm trying to do is separate right from wrong.

A lot of what you said speaks to me. I will contemplate on your ideas.
> I'm just saying if what you truly want is to not participate in it, then understanding its baseness is only the most early step in liberation
First steps to change are awareness.

Why do you hate society though?

Lack of virture
The belief that social constructs like time and race exist
Socialism=Communism
Media and its affect on society
How love, dating and marriage actually goes works
The idea of American dream
Politics
And the overall general attitude of laziness and content of people.

You're a pseud holy shit

Here's a thought exercise.

Entertain the idea that you're actually wrong and that you are, in fact, lying to yourself about how you hate the world and society. Don't argue, just hypothetically consider why someone with your life might believe what you do. Only mongs can't step outside their own perspective; you're not a mong, are you, user? I thought not.

Now, when you've thought of those reasons, contemplate how you might advise someone in such a position to adjust their outlook. Remember, only mongs shut something down before giving it thought.

Got some ideas? Good. Now go try them out for yourself. Being positive is 80% faking it until it coincides with positive experiences and 20% believing in baseless statistics.

use it to solve school problems not to change minds. the results will speak them in words they can’t excuse themselves from. angry or not.

From your op and other posts i conclude your aunt is a very smart woman and she is right. Listen to what she has to say. Have an open mind and dont be a know it all.

Im not being pretentious. These are problems in society and have greatly affected my life.
I disagree. The world has attacked me time and time again.l and I dont hate myself. There are things about my character that I need to work on, but I love my self more than ever before. I need to know why you think I dont have a backbone or love for myself before I can believe you are my Aunt.

Whether you're right or not isn't the issue. You're a fucking downer, man. You stress people out talking like that. Your aunt doesn't want to believe that the world is garbage, because that's a depressing thing to believe.

Take a step back and ask yourself why you're telling people these things. What do you want them to say back to you?

I didn't tell her these things. She went on a tirade after a comment I made.
> You stress people out talking like that. Your aunt doesn't want to believe that the world is garbage, because that's a depressing thing to believe.

Then the problem is hers, not mine. I don't lie to myself make life seem less stressful.

> What do you want them to say back to you?
"I hope you find truth and justice"

I feels you on some of those topics on your list op. I really do.

The best decision to make is either letting go, or humor the situation. You're living life, and part of it is dealing with other monkey people. Until you're more well established, you gotta keep on going. Dedicate yourself to looking for the greater meaning of life, instead of despising artificial constructs anyways. It doesn't do any favors in making your life at least a bit easier.

Buy some land out near the mountains to get away from it all. I hope to buy a cabin and store it full of guns one day. Maybe even install a panic room full of games, instruction books, if I got it like that.

Most people do. Chronic stress destroys the brain. You should consider being more sensitive around certain people, especially women.

Maybe you just need more friends you can talk about depressing shit with.

I hope you find your truth, user.

>Lack of virtue
Virtue doesn't exist. It's made up bullshit. Nothing is good except if you say it is; nothing is bad unless you say it is. Different societies have held different views: why are your views so great? Do you just think you're the smartest ever?
>time
Definitely exists. Things decay, things grow, and time passes. This is literally undeniable and is as it always has been.
>Race
Pigmentation exists. That probably does not say anything about the person, but most people don't believe that anyway. Racism is a minority-held view nowadays.
>Socialism=Communism
Socialism is a stage to get to Communism. Socialism=state owning means of production, and, while I don't think anyone would advocate it, it's a required stage if Communism is the goal. All "Communist" states have been socialist. When people criticize Communism using socialism, that is them saying Communism is an impossible goal because socialism will always be corrupted.
>Media
Is shaped by society, not the other way around. Take Dada, for instance. Dada appeared in the 20s, not the 00s, in response to the USSR, not predicting it. It's very difficult to understand now because it's so streamlined, but this is true of modern society, too. Media only reflects the society; it does not create it.
>love, dating and marriage
What do you know about these things? They are natural phenomenons mixed with the societal development required for a working human race, which then creates these things. Just because some people are shitty does not mean these broad, usually wonderful ideas are altogether shit.
>American Dream
Exists. Not in one generation, but in multiple. You alone will help your children have a slightly better life than you, they will help their children, etc, and suddenly, your great-grandchildren have wonderful middle class lives. And that is the American Dream. No, it's not glamorous, but it is still good.

>Politics
What don't you like about politics? Be more specific.
>Laziness and content of people
Most people are not lazy, and when people are content, it is for good reason. Stop trying to live other people's lives, saying their just idiots for being content, when their lives could be great.

Holy shit, you're a pseud.

At least you're not getting shot up like over in Africa, the middle east and some parts Asia. Theres true injustice going on there. Just count your blessings, young nigger, and just live to make nice happy people happier. I avoid negative people as I'm already negative enough sometimes, and Its distracting to my goals

Nicely put.

I agree, stop being a pseud as well op

Most people don't want to face the fact that there are a lot of shitty people in the world, a lot of shitty things going on, and not a whole lot of reason for wanting to deal with shitty people. Instead they lash out because someone is trying to break their perfect view of the world. I suggest maybe avoiding having those types of conversations with people who will only attack your point instead of being open minded. It's just better not to.

Undeniably valid. I keep both these ideas in mind.
Thank you

> Virtue doesn't exist.
You can't have high moral values or a just society without virture. Law and order cannot exist without it.
> time
Things decay, things grow because life and death exists. A dog doesn't need a clock to know when to eat or shit.
> Race
>Racism is a minority-held view nowadays.
False.
>Socialism=Communism
Socialism=the people owning means of production
Read Animal Farm
> Media
Media is completely shaped by those that have the money to do so. Rick and Morty bringing back szechuan sauce is an example of media subverting are wants and needs
>love, dating and marriage
America's ideas of these things are completely fucked up. 50% divorce rate, tinder, and echo chambers like Jow Forumsand tumbler completely fuck up what is supposed to be a natural experience of love. Not to mention most Americans are sex driven animals with double standards thrown at both sexes.
>American Dream
Im much more than just a baby making machine made to my bills and die. That is not a dream, it's being a pragmatic animal at best.
>Politics
Radicals on all sides are on the rise, the world is shifting to a nationalist view, and Donald Trump is the greatest troll to ever walk in the white house. American politics are a fucking joke.
>Laziness and content of people
I never said anyone was an idiot for being content and lazy. I just hate the idea that peoplw would rather take the easy route than to find the hard truth of the world.
And most people where I live end up being obese, which is not a good reason to be content.

I'm just aware of the truth. If you think I'm pretentious, That's on you.

>The belief that social constructs like time and race exist
Both of those things exist. Time is something you can witness, and race plays a huge role in human beings, from average testosterone to skeletal structure. Forensic scientists use the differences in races to identify what a skeleton most likely belonged to.

>I'm mad because people believe in social constructs

>I'm mad because people aren't virtuous

at least try to make your teenage angst logically consistent , this is just sad

Based and truthpilled aunt, OP btfo

>his aunt turns to mocking
Because that's very rational

Race and time do not exist. They are important in this society, but they are completely blown out of proportion.
Having high moral standards is an important part of having a strong, civilized nation. Most people dont believe in this anymore.

It's not "social construst exist" that bothers me, its just the concepts like time and race or glorified and virture is mocjed and laughed. I can see your point, however I dont think you understand mine.

I disagree. I know I don't hate myself and I have a backbone. Mocking people and getting angry enough to touch someone's face during a debate is not mature. She had some good points that I thought over after a 15 mile walk but her overall argument was pretty flawed.

While I think there is some merit to what she is saying you’re first argument was trying to argue with a woman.

inst yungcari

>> time
>Things decay, things grow because life and death exists. A dog doesn't need a clock to know when to eat or shit.
This one is the most pseud opinion of all. Time is measurable, therefore it exists in some sense. All things that exist experience change and motion ina specific sequence of events due to time, regardless of their knowledge of clocks.

> Time is measurable, therefore it exists in some sense.
> it exists in some sense.
> some

So you admit that it is just a construct and not a fact?
> This one is the most pseud opinion of all.

I think you just like saying things because you like to disrespect people on a Mongolian Barbecue form. Im not being pretentious, just aware.

>just a construct and not a fact?
What do you even mean by a construct vs fact? Why is time being an observable and measurable phenomenon not enough to make it a “fact”?
>Im not being pretentious, just aware.
That is a very pretentious statement

Define "exist" you retarded peice of trash, then whenever you come upon someone who thinks time "exists" ask their definition of "exist." Quibbling over semantics is some of the most boring, taxing, pedantic bullshit you can pull and if it's habitual it will make sure nobody wants to actually talk with you.

You're not smart because you've got a big vocabulary.
You're not profound because you say depressing shit.
You're not exempt from the game of life just because you hate it.

The "truth" is other people. You stand on the shoulders of giants, and picking open their wounds and focusing on flaws instead of building on and appreciating what is makes you a fly on the ass of humanity.

Genetic haplogroups are a thing. Therefore race exists.
Things happen in measurable increments, therefore time exists.

How old are you?

You make it seem like trying my hardest to be a intelligent, unqiue snowflake. Let me make this as clear to you as possible: I am not a genius. I am just a rat among many rats in a world that is completely beyond my power to control. The fact you perceive me as some egotistical intellectual. If you feed that arguing viewpoints on life is the same thing as semantics you need to take a step back from this conversation and walk away. I didnt start this whole argument with my Aunt, she did. I just made a simple comment and she blow up it into a fucking debate. If my ideas depress you, thats a problem with your own ideas and emotions. It's the same an atheist getting made that people believe in god.
> You're not exempt from the game of life just because you hate it.
That doesn't mean I have to accept and like everything I see. If I can change myself and my situation, then I dont have be like everyone else. It doesn't make me better or worse, just very different. And even then, I'm still just a rat.
> The "truth" is other people.
The truth is what you make it. I believe truth is knowledge, justice, and absolute willpower. People will lie, fall into groupthink, or become dogmatic with ideas because an opposing viewpoints are considered threathening to peace.
Because what you view as "time" is insignificant to what the reality which we sit in. I'll admit, it's a useful tool to help maintain society, but it is undoubtedly an abstract concpet that is always being debated and challenged by scientists. In our small lives, it's just a simple number on the clock. To the universe, the rules of time don't apply as well.

If I was pretentious, I would be bragging about how much smarter I am to everyone, which is no the case.

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>Because what you view as "time" is insignificant to what the reality which we sit in. I'll admit, it's a useful tool to help maintain society
In what way is it insignificant? In the next sentence you contradict yourself by calling time useful. So which is it?
>it is undoubtedly an abstract concpet that is always being debated and challenged by scientists.
Time is an observable and measurable phenomenon. I agree that certain aspects or consequences of time are abstract and debated, but time itself is not.
>To the universe, the rules of time don't apply as well
What “rules” of time? The universe is constantly traveling through time. Why would time not apply? I’m not sure you even know what you mean when you talk about time.

> In what way is it insignificant?
To the universe. We are a speck on a pale blue dot in this galaxy. Our concept of time means nothing. It's an existential viewpoint.
> In the next sentence you contradict yourself by calling time useful.
In our small, small world it's useful. In our insignificant lives, its useful.
So which is it?
Both. It's a construct. It's what you make of it, society usual just has the "final say".
> Time is an observable and measurable phenomenon.
Only because humans defined it as such to make life easier. Not an objective reality, just an accepted theory.
> I agree that certain aspects or consequences of time are abstract and debated, but time itself is not.
If you agree that the consequences of time are abstract that means time itself is not fully understood. I think your mixing up the concept of time with the measurement of time. Clocks are important, dates are important but are viewpoint of how time effects reality is not as accurate as one would think. People think the two are the same.
> Why would time not apply
Black holes and big bang theory

>time isnt real because "big bang theory"
What the fuck are you smoking
We can clearly observe that things have happened AFTER that, so clearly time is a thing that objectively happens because SHIT HAPPENS AT ALL. If time wasnt real I couldn't type this because my fucking hand would be frozen in place you abject retard.

Then why do people still argue and debate about this? I think you are too angry to have this conversation if you think name calling and mocking a person on the internet is going to change anything.
> If time wasnt real I couldn't type this because my fucking hand would be frozen in place you abject retard.
I dont believe this is true. Prove it to me.

>To the universe. We are a speck on a pale blue dot in this galaxy. Our concept of time means nothing. It's an existential viewpoint.
Humans are a small part of the universe therefore time doesn’t exist? Okay.
>Only because humans defined it as such to make life easier.
We observed something and named it. Time would exist even if we didn’t define it.
>Not an objective reality, just an accepted theory.
>just a theory
You don’t understand scientific theories but more on that later.
>If you agree that the consequences of time are abstract that means time itself is not fully understood.
Yes, but that doesn’t make time unreal.
>are important, dates are important but are viewpoint of how time effects reality is not as accurate as one would think
In what way?
>Black holes and big bang theory
You forgot to make a point here. But your name dropping of these things, your stupidity when it comes to the word theory, and your general concept of time and the universe is concerning. Are you an actual scientist? Do you truly think you understand these things you’re talking about?

I'm no scientists. I have a lot to learn in life. But I am not stupid. I dont believe time exists.
> You don’t understand scientific theories but more on that later.
Then explain it.

>I dont believe time exists.
So you are denying that there is an “indefinite continued progress of existence and events that occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future”?
>> You don’t understand scientific theories but more on that later.
>Then explain it.
A layperson’s understanding of a theory is not the same as a scientific theory. We use the word in everyday language to mean a guess or unsubstantiated claim. In science, a theory is a model or explanation of something that occurs in nature, is testable, and is backed up by observable data. You implied there is a dichotomy between objective reality and theories, which is untrue. Scientific theories explain objective reality. They are not opposed to each other. And anyways, time isn’t a theory, it is a physical quantity.
Look, I’m a scientist myself. I work in geochronology. I work with time and its measurement across millions and billions of years, far beyond the timescale of human experience. I can assure you that time exists. It wasn’t something humans made up. It was something we observed was true, and gave a name to.

This I can accept. But I still think the way we treat time is fucked up.

>I still think the way we treat time is fucked up.
Legit curious, in what way? Like how society obsessed over how much time we have left? Or the units of time themselves being arbitrary?

Theres only one way to treat time you faggot be specific

What do you mean prove it to you
If you remove time then how do you measure motion
You literally cant

Legit curious, in what way? Like how society obsessed over how much time we have left?
This and views on age, history and how things can be seen as "too old" to quickly