Is it possible for a fear of girls to turn me gay/bi? I kind of took Red Pill ideology to heart when I was younger...

Is it possible for a fear of girls to turn me gay/bi? I kind of took Red Pill ideology to heart when I was younger, and combined with other factors, I think that is making me subconsciously 'avoid' girls.

If so, how do I undo it?

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No, you're just a straight pussy

I used to believe you were "born this way," but then I saw Jow Forums and the gay and Trans propaganda board it is, and saw it seems to work on people who are isolated and self-hating yet desperate to fit in somewhere. You can actually turn someone gay or trans if the conditions are right.

I hope so. I know I’m straight (or used to be at least)

Please tell me there’s a way to reverse it.

Do you like cock?

Somehow, Alexis ren is simultaneously the sexiest, and the most average looking, buck tooth, fake tit whore I've ever seen. I cant stand her.

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I don't think anything can change you like that. You might give up on all sex. Some people just live their whole lives without it. That's not a bad thing, you know.

>You might give up on all sex.
Why?

what's really the benefit of having sex over masturbating?

I don't know. I'm not concerned about sex, I'm concerned about my 'fear' for the opposite sex.

Get a dildo and see if you like it when you shove it up your ass. Didn't think so. Common bro. Girls are cute little animals and they enjoy things that we hate. Fun doesn't have to make sense.

Whats so scary about women, user? You know they're not all that strong right? Or fast...... or smart......

shoving things in you're ass doesn't make you gay.

Keep telling yourself that.

every guy who ever had a colonoscopy is gay and here i was, thinking that liking men made you gay

Red Pill shit does things to you. Plus, girls weren't too kind to me when I was younger.

I might honestly do that.

You shouldn't not explore your attraction to men but even I admit a lot of extroverted women are a pain to deal with.

Try moving around other circles, other hobbies, talk to other girls every now and then. If I'm right you'll find a lot of them are perfectly normal and fun to be around.

Fear of social interaction with women =/= gay.
Here's another scenario: you've been hurt by women in the past and are reluctant to open yourself up again. I encourage you to fight these fears and get back into the dating game.

>Here's another scenario: you've been hurt by women in the past and are reluctant to open yourself up again. I encourage you to fight these fears and get back into the dating game.
I'll try my best, user.

>You shouldn't not explore your attraction to men
I'd rather not.

How would you recommend going about meeting more people? I'm pretty much a recluse.

Where I live there's an app called Meetup where they organize events that you can just go to. There's stuff like book clubs, board game meets or sport meets. These usually have a decent mix of men and women. Getting friendly with people isn't easy but if you click with someone you can meet their friends too.

Obviously if you have some friends already I would try and convince them to go together, to make the experience less overwhelming.

Alright so they're prone to be 'mean'..... does this not also aply to anyone at any given moment seeing as this world is cruel to everyone?

Here's what I've learned from TRP:
>will leave you for a better mate without even thinking about it
>judges you based on EVERYTHING, unless you're not sexual to them
>even if you don't seem sexual, they will never truly consider you a friend
>will lie and cheat on you without any guilt, then end up blaming it on you
I honestly don't remember the rest (and I don't want to either), but you get the idea.

What experience has taught me:
>if a woman doesn't like you, she will make sure that no one likes you (not always on purpose)
>can and will get away with any bullshit
>men and women will side men in any argument
>if a woman has a certain opinion about you, almost everyone will follow her
>one mistake is the difference between attraction and irrelevance: fuck up once and you're dead to her
>having 'weird' thoughts about a girl is creepy and disgusting if she doesn't think I'm attractive
>having a fetish (or two) should make me a social outcast, regardless of whether or not I'm open about it

The last two really bother me. Sorry if I sound like an angry incel. I mean no harm or ill-will to women.

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Stop bumping your shitty thread. You don't want advice, you only want validation for your incel cultist beliefs.

>Red Pill shit does things to you.

Listen, the red pill is not about turning you into a scared wuss who’s afraid of women. It is about conscious empowerment of yourself.

It sounds to me like you still have the romantic notion that the external validation of a woman is what will prove your worth, yet you are afraid to pursue it in fear of getting hurt and so you feel emasculated and start to get confused about your sexuality.

Fact of the matter is that you need to recognize that you’ve got it backwards and that you can’t rely on the whims of women to fill you with the satisfaction and sense of worth that you like. You are responsible for that yourself, as are all others on to themselves. Only taking on this task will in time bring the potency that pushes you forward in life, socially and romantically with women if you so wish.

*that you LACK

>You don't want advice, you only want validation for your incel cultist beliefs.
But I do. user, I'm trying to do the exact opposite here.

I honestly don't need fulfillment.
It's the way it's portrayed women that has really turned me off towards them. In my mind, they've been painted as horrible creatures with no soul and I really want to get rid of that belief.

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I just want help, this isn’t bait, I promise.

You can start by realising a lot of this is both genders.. go on, think hard. Some people just really suck user, men will lie and cheat, men will gang up to bully you, men will talk a lot of shit about you if they don't like you.
If you appear weak men will take nothing you say seriously and will just assume you're wrong about everything..
And then some aren't shitty.

There's just different tiers of humans, user. And because of your feelings towards women you got a confirmation bias and zerod your lens on women instead of realising it's anyone.
I don't know if it's an intelligence thing or what, but there just seems to be this entire set of humans who think entirely with emotion and pre conceived notions and never seem to learn anything and they're ultra judgemental and stuck in their ways, and then a bunch of people that challenge themselves to be better.

But it's a gender free issue I assure you.

user, women are humans. They can be assholes, selfish, cheaters, liars, abusers, aggressive, dangerous, inconsiderate, boring, awkward, shy, pushy, clueless, idiotic, sensitive, competent, artistic, generous, kind, selfless, intelligent, funny, sexy, inventive, brave. Human.

Any one person can be any combination of those things. Yes, there are women who are terrible people. There are also men who are terrible people. Saying an entire group of people is entirely one thing or another is fallacious and wrong. Anyone can be anything, and this can be both good and bad. Anybody who tells you that an entire group of people is one thing wants something and is lying to you to get it.

Just judge people by them selves and their actions. Women, men, and yourself. Everyone can be an asshole, but everyone can be a good person. Find the good people, and do you best to be a good one yourself.

Thank you, anons. I understand what you are saying, but I feel like it's going to take a while before I can internalize it.

Is there a way to avoid these kinds of people? I don't want to end up in love with or married to a woman, and then realize she's literally what the Red Pill thinks a woman is.

And what is you opinion on these? If you don't mind me asking:
>What experience has taught me:
>>if a woman doesn't like you, she will make sure that no one likes you (not always on purpose)
>>can and will get away with any bullshit
>>men and women will side women in any argument
(It was supposed to say 'women', the original post says 'men')
>>if a woman has a certain opinion about you, almost everyone will follow her
>>having 'weird' thoughts about a girl is creepy and disgusting if she doesn't think I'm attractive
>>having a fetish (or two) should make me a social outcast, regardless of whether or not I'm open about it

>>if a woman doesn't like you, she will make sure that no one likes you
Not explicitly. If a person really doesn't like you they will usually let their friends know. This is true in all social circles. News spreads, bad news spreads faster.

>>can and will get away with any bullshit
>>men and women will side women in any argument
Yes and no. Assholes will always try to get away with bullshit, and there's double standards everywhere.

For example, women tend to not be taken as seriously, but this works in both ways. It means women both "can't defend themselves" and "can't hurt others", so a woman is more likely to be believed to be the victim of assault. Female abusers will take advantage of this and claim that the men they abuse actually harmed -them-. However, they're also less likely to be taken seriously as intellectuals or capable people.

Men are believed to be exceedingly sexual (funny enough, this was/is reversed in some cultures). A man who sexually assaults or harasses a woman was just "doing what men do" and that "boys will be boys". Male abusers will take advantage of this, and claim that the women were asking for it and they were just doing what was natural. However, it also means that men are more likely to be perceived as a threat, both physically and sexually, even if they aren't, such as everybody being suspicious of male teachers.

Abusers will try to find ways they can exploit the system and the people in it. Always. Doesn't matter the gender.


>>if a woman has a certain opinion about you, almost everyone will follow her
Related to the topic above, depends on the opinion. Regardless, if they claim something that aligns with what the other people expect, they are more likely to believe it. If it's something contrary to their experience, they are more likely to dismiss. Abusers get away with stuff if other people think "but they're so nice!". Innocent people are convicted if they fit the profile of the person people expect to be guilty.

Thank you for replying.
>However, they're also less likely to be taken seriously as intellectuals or capable people.
I've honestly never seen this happen. That's probably why I think all the double standards favor women. That, and the fact that I'm not taken very seriously either sometimes.

But I do understand what you are saying. I guess I just need to see more of this world.

>Regardless, if they claim something that aligns with what the other people expect, they are more likely to believe it. If it's something contrary to their experience, they are more likely to dismiss.
So if I'm a decent person to everyone, the 'social manipulation' bullshit that I experienced when I was younger wouldn't be a problem. Got it.

>>having 'weird' thoughts about a girl is creepy and disgusting if she doesn't think I'm attractive
I'd say this is true across the board, however women are more likely to have a responsive sexual drive (compared with spontaneous, which is more common in men), which means that they are less likely to be sexually attracted just by appearance. And due to the fact that men are taken more seriously as threats, physically or sexually, means that a lot of women have their guard up. You also heard a LOT about sexual violence, and even if you've not had it happen to you, it's present on a lot of people's minds. Like how a lot of people are nervous about being attacked on a street where they hear there's been a lot of crime. Anxious people are especially prone to this.

A lot of this is the result of the fallacious idea that most sexual assault is from strangers, pulling you into bushes from shadowy corners. This is not true but is the narrative that has been spread. Like the idea of shark attacks being a real danger when you're much more likely to be killed by your dog.

>>having a fetish (or two) should make me a social outcast, regardless of whether or not I'm open about it
Honestly, as long as you're not harming people directly or indirectly with your fetish, whatever. A lot of people have knee-jerk responses to fetishes, though. And I think most people think of fetishes as a thing that people force onto others. This definitely can be true, but it's not the most common. Again, it's taking a small subgroup of people (the invasive ones) and conflating them to be representative of the entire group.

>get into Jow Forums when you're like 11 years old
>by this time the website is already overflowing with tranny threads on any board that isn't SFW.
>jerk off to "it's not gay if" porn
>then you start shoving red pills up your ass by taking r9k greentext like the word of god, women are evil and they'll steal your video games and cut your dick off, etc.

"guys, is it possible that all this gay shit is making me gay?"

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Sorry to hear that you went through that, user. Unfortunately, there are assholes in the world. Whatever their reasons, be they abusive or having been abused themselves and perpetuating the cycle, be they completely lacking in empathy or wrongly taking out their stress and problems on another, it happens. They have their reasons, and maybe those reasons deserve compassion. But you deserve compassion, too, as well as safety and security.

There are abusers and assholes, and people who go along with them because they don't know better. The best you can do is to cut them out of your life if you can, or avoid them if you can't, and seek healing and a support network for yourself.

The world can be a very shitty place, even to good people. It sucks. All we can do is try to make it kinder whenever we can, and protect ourselves and our loved ones as much as we can.

>You also heard a LOT about sexual violence, and even if you've not had it happen to you, it's present on a lot of people's minds.
True, but I've also heard shit like 'it's not harassment if he's hot' and 'god I want to fuck that serial-killer' from women. That's kind of what I meant by that. It's like I'm not allowed to be sexual if I'm ugly.

>Again, it's taking a small subgroup of people (the invasive ones) and conflating them to be representative of the entire group.
I feel like that sums up all my problems. I just have a hard time separating truth from reality since I haven't had much social experience.

I have done none of those things.

>True, but I've also heard shit like 'it's not harassment if he's hot' and 'god I want to fuck that serial-killer' from women.

You've literally never heard that from women.

>I have done none of those things.

"I kind of took Red Pill ideology to heart when I was younger"

And if you've been posting here for more than a few weeks, you've also seen your share of tranny porn whether you wanted to see it or not.

>heard shit like 'it's not harassment if he's hot' and 'god I want to fuck that serial-killer' from women

yeah, and those women are assholes. Would you really want to be with a woman who values attractiveness over kindness so much?

I've also seen several cases of men replying to news articles of sexual child abuse committed by a woman. "Wow, I wish I was him. I would've loved a hot woman all over me at that age."

These people are terrible people, user. They are there, but they are not representative of the group. And you wouldn't want that kind of person as your girlfriend, either.

Thanks user. I might seem like it, but I honestly don't hate women, and I really wish I knew how to de-program myself.
You're a kind person, I hope life treats you well.

>You've literally never heard that from women.
I have. You can actually look examples of those things up too.
Although now that I think about it, those probably come from the weird ones, don't they? At least the one about the serial killer does.

>I have. You can actually look examples of those things up too.

The only times I've ever heard anything like that was when incels from r9k would SAY that women said those things. I've never heard a woman say "oo yeah I love it when Chad sexually harasses me" and neither have you.

There was also once instance of that one guy who wasn't even a serial killer who was vaguely good looking and people were like "wow look at this guy's mugshot he looks hot" and of course r9k turned that molehill into a mountain.

>"I kind of took Red Pill ideology to heart when I was younger"
Found the subreddit when I was trying to be more attractive and/or sociable.
>And if you've been posting here for more than a few weeks, you've also seen your share of tranny porn whether you wanted to see it or not.
2 years, and I use SFW boards.

>And you wouldn't want that kind of person as your girlfriend, either.
I wouldn't. It's just that these kinds of women seem to be everywhere (confirmation bias, I know) and:
>"Wow, I wish I was him. I would've loved a hot woman all over me at that age."
is usually said as a joke. Even then, there are men who separate themselves from these other guys, but no one seems to disavow these women.

Thanks to all of you, and again, this isn't bait. I really want to work this out before it gets bad.

As with all fears - you face them. Head on. Once you've faced them and gone through the whole spectrum of emotions and it's done and over with, you'll look back and probably wonder what the big fucking deal was and why you felt so afraid in the first place.

I'd also like to point out that it's totally ok to be into the same gender. Even a little bit. It's ok to be bisexual. It's ok to be pansexual. It's ok to be gay and it's ok to be straight as an arrow.

What's not ok is letting fear keep you a hostage and keep you from finding out.

>Found the subreddit when I was trying to be more attractive and/or sociable.

Hopefully you've come to your sense and matured a bit since then and realized that red pill shit is the exact same thing as extreme SJW culture where they shift the blame and responsibility onto everyone and everything else but themselves.

colonoscopy aren't made for pleasure, and nobody enjoys them. tiny difference, right? you fucking faggot

I've seen the first one in real life. Not outright, but I've seen a clear example. Also, I've seen girls on twitter who say this shit. Never been to r9k.

user, what are the chances I get ostracized/arrested or some other dumb shit for facing my fears? I've tried it once before (and I'm willing to try again) but this still bothers me. Just give it to me straight.

I have but I'm in too deep. Plus, I'll keep falling back onto TRP ideology if I don't have something else to look at.

>I've seen girls on twitter who say this shit. Never been to r9k.

You know that half the girls on twitter are actually just people from r9k roleplaying and shitposting, right?

>I'll keep falling back onto TRP ideology if I don't have something else to look at.

Looking at your own asshole in the mirror is more productive than TRP. It's a bullshit excuse ideology that named itself after a scene from the matrix. They tried to make it sound like literally only they are right and anything else that goes against them or contradicts them can't possibly be true beause that it blue-pilled and being blue-pilled means you're wrong and ignorant, and being red-pilled means you're very smart and right about everything because that's what the scene in the movie was about.

It's fucking stupid and juvenile. it's like calling your ideology "I'm 100% right all of the time because I said soism"

>fear of girls
You can usually beat a girl in a fight. You fear yourself.

>You fear yourself.
How so?

>It's fucking stupid and juvenile.
user, it's easy to recognize that when you haven't listened to it for years.

>You know that half the girls on twitter are actually just people from r9k roleplaying and shitposting, right?
This doesn't sound right.

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(Sorry for bumping this thread so many times but I'm really curious about what this user has to say.)

I can't see inside your mind little bro. I only know what you told me.

No, I liked guys too when I was 14. Still didn't change. I am cis male had gf before too. Am over 30 now.

Okay. I was hoping you had some idea.

I don’t understand what you are saying.

Then kys.

I don't wanna come off all zen and shit. Or sound like the old fuck that I am. But the conventional rule is that if you need to ask yourself if you're gay, you ain't. And you fear interaction because of what you do, not because of what a girl does. You are too in your own head and worry about dumb shit that will not even be noticed by others. You want to make sure you convey the perfect image of yourself to others and would never want somebody to get the wrong idea about you. You don't care if there opinion is negative as long as it is true. Is that about right?

Practice saying dumb shit to the cashier at the grocery store and seek the same person out when you return. You will develop a relationship with them and they will like you for who They think you are. Not for who you think you are.

I think he is saying that he never overcame gayness and he is trying to pull you in. I speak a little gay but I don't understand the predatorial dialect.

What? Why?

>Is that about right?
Absolutely.

>Practice saying dumb shit to the cashier at the grocery store and seek the same person out when you return. You will develop a relationship with them and they will like you for who They think you are. Not for who you think you are.
I've done this. But:
>I can never know when someone really likes me.
>I'm too scared to do this with a random girl.
Not to sound like an incel (again), but shit like getting accused for sexual harassment just for saying 'hi' scares me.

Thanks for the advice though, I really appreciate it. There's a lot I got from this post alone.

Tell your target practice clerk the reason you are practicing and ask how you're doing. Man or woman don't matter. That's why they are there. I go now user. Good luck.

>Tell your target practice clerk the reason you are practicing and ask how you're doing.
I don't think that's right, user.

Thanks user.