If you hit 30 and you're not shacked up or have kids, is there any point in living...

if you hit 30 and you're not shacked up or have kids, is there any point in living? ive gotten to the point where im about to call it quits. life just seems so pointless

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>baw I'm spooked
Idiot.

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Yes. Although you probably have wasted a significant portion of your 20s if you're 30 and you're still doing nothing at all.

But if you have a career that pays well or one you enjoy, have a hobby, a clique of chums and generally any interests at all then your 30s are basically a good version of your 20s.

It's still pointless even if you have kids.

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There are many single men and women in their 30s enjoying life.

Get yourself a dog and you'll find some sense of purpose for a decade.

Camus why dude, why'd you ruin life itself?

You seem to make the assumption that having children is neccesarily the ultimate goal of life for everyone.

I would urge you to question that assumption.

kek

What prompted that reaction?

I'm 32, and honestly, being single and not having some chick I have to worry about being nagged by, or screaming messy kids is absolutely wonderful. One of my close friends was the high school quarterback, played college ball, pulled a ton of hot chicks, his wife is a total babe, and now he makes $300k a year in engineering.

You know what though? Last night, we were bowling/drinking, and he was telling me how fucking jealous he is of me. You could see how fucking tired he was. Just exhausted. Loves his kids, but it's all so much fucking work, and he looks 5-10 years older than me.

I still have plenty of interested girls, lots of opportunities, but I have the opportunity to be sleeping in, shitposting, and doing fuck all with my Sunday, whereas he's going to be ferrying these little fuckers back and forth to soccer practice or some shit and pretending to be entertained.

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>You know what though? Last night, we were bowling/drinking, and he was telling me how fucking jealous he is of me.


Okay? His life has more meaning though so I don't understand why he's bitching.

Dude, if you think kids magically bring "meaning" to life, you need to some real thinking. Meaning is what you make it, but kids are something that practically everyone can make. It's easy as fuck to hate your kids and hate that you no longer can ever do anything for yourself ever again.

Kids are a ton of work, are never easy, and there's nothing he can do to guarantee that any of his hard work will pan out. These kids could turn into real pieces of shit and all he'll have to show for it is 20-something years of exhaustion.

It's made even worse when you realize that most everyone's kids are going to go through the same negative feedback loop of probably not doing anything memorable or meaningful, and just end up miserable in their cubicles questioning the meaning of life like the rest of us.

At least I can break up the existential dread with some fun and freedom.

I'm headed to 30 and still have nothing really. I live with my parents and have a College degree but it's utterly useless. Yeah I feel that way sometimes, but there's always still a kernel of hope in the darkest of hours user. Even when it seems like nothing will change I have it somewhere in my mind I'm going to to change it all.

Been there where you are. As cliche as it is, the point of life is what you make it be one. I was playing idly with idea of settling down myself but some of the few girls I could consider seriously enough for such either turned out to raise a few flags or simply expected more than I could honestly give and I didn't want to build relationship on posing and bullshit. But my life never revolved around relationships and even without one, little pleasures of daily life still have value. Do I get lonely sometimes? Sometimes, yes. But I also get moments when I am not.
At the very least I am willing to risk claiming that if you think life's pointless and are about to call it quits just because of not being in relationship, you have no business being in one. You first have to be a person that has things that keep them going, for others to want to go on with you.

I'm 27 and wasted the last decade (and the best years of my life) chasing a dream I'm incapable of attaining.
I know doors start closing once you're 25, and that I'm probably fucked regardless, but do you have any ideas how to dig myself out of this situation? I have no (useful) qualifications, no savings, and a mountain of student debt. I work in admin currently, and I would like a job that pays well enough where I could actually provide for a girlfriend/family.

But without family everything you do on this earth is for nothing. We live good lives because our grandparents and everyone that came before them decided to reproduce and pass on whatever wealth they had. To not do the same is basically spitting on the graves of your ancestors.

It’s sad that you base your happiness on some vague notion of pleasing your ancestors

Oh boy, it's another one of these. I'm sure next you'll say something about saving the white race.

Rabbits also fuck and have tons of offspring. Do we applaud rabbits? Are those rabbits valuable? No. And in all likelihood, neither are yours or anyone's shitty kids.

If you're so worried about "muh ancestors," go donate at a sperm bank or something. I guarantee your ancestor Grug didn't give two shits about propagating his line, he just wanted some fuck.

>without family everything you do on this earth is for nothing.
Go invent something important. Create an inspiring work of art. Go become a firefighter, EMT, or policeman. All a lot more worthwhile than shitting out a kid.

I have nothing against kids, it's just literally not an achievement at all. There's a bunch of niggers out there with 13 welfare babies. You think they deserve applause for doing something meaningful?

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it's sad that you both believe life should be about pursuing 'happiness' aka instant gratification instead of having a well rounded life with responsibility/discipline

>shacked up or have kids
This covers 95% of human beings. For vast majority having kids is the ultimate fulfillment even if they dont realize it. Biology determines that. For others its money, wealth, status.

What do you expect? They are modern time "cave man" types who can easily be manipulated. "Gray mass" if you will. As long as cheap sex (free porn); cheap food (Fast food, GMOs); cheap entertainment (video games, netflix etc.) are available they will be mental slaves to the system that's milking them.

I'm in my 30s and the only thing I have going for me is a good career. I have barely any friends and people generally don't like me, so I have a long way to go. It could be worse though. I wish there was an easier way for autistic adults to learn basic social skills that they should have learned 15 years ago.

U got 10 years before you should legitimately feel that way. Go have sex with everything you can

It's sad that you think your time on this earth matters to fucking anyone at all, and that for some reason, inflicting pain and suffering on yourself is something you view as a plus.

Ah, unlike you, the paragon of society who eschews the system to pump out more children to prop it up. Enjoy your backwards, outdated, unhappy life where you think your life is over before you've already hit the halfway point as a depressed wackjob with nothing to live for except posting sadfrogs because you don't have a wife and children to leech off of your finances, health, and free time.

One of those guys suggested being a firefighter if you wanna feel fulfilled.

Do you know most of the US depends exclusively on volunteer firemen to save them from a slow, torturous death due to being trapped in a structural fire? You don't become a fireman as a job in that case, you do it purely out of love for your fellow man. Can you imagine? At the age of 12 I saw one save 3 young women and a grandma because their house, in front of ours, went up in flames at 3AM (electrical fault). The smoke was so much and so thick it set off OUR fire alarms. I could feel the heat on my face from our door across the block. I could hear the desperate screams of "help" and "we're going to die." And then there's this man, running into a God damn raging Hell on Earth ready to die the same gruesome way as them if anything goes wrong, because he wasn't going to just let them die. That's why he volunteered for that shit; our local FD was all volunteer. That guy had his own job and life to worry about, but he still found it in him to do what he did.

The man I saw that day lives a more worthwhile life than mine or yours even if he never has kids or a wife. If you told me who the world would miss more, who would leave a bigger hole to fill, the answer isn't you or me. If you think you're fullfiled in life by having children, you can be replaced by pretty much anyone else and nothing would change. It's hard to find men like those. You'll be remembered by your children, your grandchildren, and then you're stricken from history; even if vague, he'll live on in the children and grandchildren of every person he's able to save and in society a whole, universally.

I've thought about volunteering for the FD for years ever since that house went up in flames, but I'm not as good a man as the firefighter I saw that day. Maybe you are. Maybe you'll find the reason in your life when you come back out of a house fire covered in ash and with a little girl in your arms looking up at you.

Cue the applause.

Imagine being this butthurt.

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Okay, whatever caveman.

My boyfriend was about to turn 30 last year and was still living at home and single. Then we got together and we moved into our own place a day after his 30th birthday. Now we have plans for marriage and kids. Don’t give up hope user.

>Enjoy your backwards, outdated, unhappy life
Projecting much?
>ou think your life is over before you've already hit the halfway point as a depressed wackjob with nothing to live for except posting sadfrogs
Who is this imaginary man you are talking about? Is this your self image or maybe this is someone you dont like irl? Who are you projecting in this sentence?
>because you don't have a wife and children to leech off of your finances, health, and free time
I do have wife and kids, yet i dont consider them "leeches" of any sort. I love my wife and respect her just like she loves and respects me. The same with kids. We provide resources for them not only cause it makes us happy, but cause we love them. Caring about other... you should try it sometime.

>I know doors start closing once you're 25
Says who?

>learn basic social skills that they should have learned 15 years ago.
Yeah, well it can't be helped. Only thing you can do is experiment and learn from failures.

>inflicting pain and suffering on yourself is something you view as a plus
Through duty and honor you can archive ultimate purpose and happiness. By wasting your life on degenerate lifestyle you will never reach those things. All you will get is short term pleasure with long term guilt and depression. When you finally mature, IF you mature that is, then you will understand. You will understand that life is bigger than just your silly little instant gratification.

For starters you should read Nietzsche, because your nihilism levels are at dangerous levels.

Buy a plane ticket to someplace interesting.

>It's sad that you think your time on this earth matters to fucking anyone at all, and that for some reason, inflicting pain and suffering on yourself is something you view as a plus.
This ladies and gentleman is prime example of a "useful idiot". Low intelligence combined with easily manipulable omega tier person.

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Thank you for sharing, it really helps.

Sometimes I forget that you are supposed to be adults. Yes, your bodies are made for gene replication and your tiny brains were supposed to help. However instead you've got "free will" and control over your body so you can just go and plant thousands trees just because. Will someone judge you for that? Yes. Will you care after being dead? No. Will anyone care after heat death of the universe? No. Really what the fuck is your problem people?

>Will anyone care after heat death of the universe?
Just kill yourself and end your suffering or stop crying like little bitch.

I'm literally talking about OP, who thinks his life is over and is posting depressing sadfrogs because he's 30 and childless. He has plenty of life ahead of him to have kids and a wife. And more power to you for having kids and enjoying them. I'm happy for you, and happy for anyone who has what they want in a meaningful way. Kids aren't bad. But they're not inherently good, either.

>Long term guilt and depression
I have neither of these things with my lifestyle. I'm also not ruling out kids or a family someday, if I meet the right person. I'm not going to force myself into a bad relationship because I'm scared about not having done an arbitrary thing by an arbitrary life point.

Its like your heart would say to other organs -" Hey this guy is going to die in 60 years any way, so why should we work?"

This.
If youre so pathetic then off yourself

>I'm not going to force myself into a bad relationship because I'm scared about not having done an arbitrary thing by an arbitrary life point
And you still dont get it. I hope you mature so you can understand the beauty of life.

There's no "maturing" that needs to be done. You have a kid, you don't, it literally doesn't matter. It's great for some people, it's shit for others. It's extremely shortsighted to assume that people posting on a mongolian card game forum are going to be responsible adults who lead fulfilling family lives.

I know plenty of great people who fucking hate their kids and married life, and swear up and down it was a terrible mistake. It's not all rainbows and butterflies.

>heart would say to other organs -" Hey this guy is going to die in 60 years any way, so why should we work?"
Huh? That's completely wrong. The body wants to be fertile until it makes offsprings. It is not the heart that wants to die early. It is the consciousness that can force the decision.
Who is talking about suffering? The
>>Will anyone care after heat death of the universe?
Should be liberating if anything. You can live freely because even if you fail, your failures will be lost to the universe.

Stop being such negativists geez.

try to figure out a ways to kick yourself in the nutz.
it should distract you away from ur shitty thoughts for a moment and be more productive

t.worthless gen z garbage

You can have a happy well-rounded life with responsibility and discipline, without pretending that you somehow owe it to the world to have kids. You should have kids because you want to, not because you think you have to.

Jow Forums
Not that I'm putting full stock in every opinion people provide here, but being weighed down by student debt in a dead industry with no savings is very different from being eg. A guy like Harrison Ford who was handsome and had money before becoming a (famous) actor.

30s is a good time for guys. You should have a decent income and can pursue cool interests, travel, etc.

If you're a social retard then learn to take enjoyment in stepping outside your comfort zone and expanding your abilities

High five I'm in the exact same situation. My degree isn't from an accredited university so employers just laugh at it. Stuck at home with parents because the living costs keep getting higher and higher but the salaries don't. I'm not even minimum wage I have a good $700+ extra cash each month and I'm promoted pretty high, but that just isn't enough to afford my own place. Leaving my city means losing my job too since it's a single company I enjoy working for. Fuck, when I started my lunch each day barely cost $5, now I'm lucky if I get the same thing for less than $20.

It's shit. I wanna go get real degree and ~ follow my dreams~ but then I'll end up with a shitload of debt on top.

You keep saying caveman, but wanting to have children is our primitive caveman instincts you fucking retard.
You're just a monkey controlled by your primitive instincts, go make fire

>I guarantee your ancestor Grug didn't give two shits about propagating his line, he just wanted some fuck.
Yeah and now we're intelligent and learned enuff to know that we want to fug bc it means babies get born with our genes
Ergo, if we like fug, we should like the babies being born with our genes

>You keep saying caveman, but wanting to have children is our primitive caveman instincts you fucking retard.
>You're just a monkey controlled by your primitive instincts, go make fire
Not wanting to suffocate or fall off a cliff are also primitive instincts, but I don't imagine you'll take kindly to my telling you to hang yourself eh?

your grandkids would have like 1/8th of your genes and your great great great grankids would have a lot less. do the math you degenerate npc. there is more to life than fucking other evolved monkeys

Retarded.

I dunno OP, are kinds something you really want? If yes, then of course your life seems like it doesn't have meaning. Thing is, if you're a man you still have plenty of options going forward since most women want someone older than them. It's really not too late if you want a family.

Me and bf have been together for some time and we don't want kids, so we don't feel that existential dread that you feel now. We find meaning in eachother and spending time together doing shit we enjoy without the responsabily of kids. We travel, we go to the gym, we go out to dinner/movies/theater almost every night, we play videogames together, we cook. Yeah it might be selfish since we're both engineers and could give a kid a very good life, but honestly it's just not something we want. Try to think if you really want kids or you just feel pressured by society/family. You can find meaning in other things too.

I ll be correcting their mistake.
I m ending it with me
Nothing will matters anyway. When you are donzo your consciousness stop forever and everything that ever will be or ever was will stop existing altogether

>your grandkids would have like 1/8th of your genes
>do the math
lol.
Children get 1/2, grandchildren would be 1/4. This is assuming you and your partner are totally genetically dissimilar btw, which tends not to be the case.. People tend to breed people kinda similar to them, but less similar than first cousins.
So back to the math. Say you have two kids; they combined have 100% of your genes (.5 * 2 = 1)
If your grandkids each have two kids, you have 4 grandkids, so combined they have 100% of your genes (.25 * 4 = 1).
If you and they have more than 2 kids each, you actually produce more than 100% of your genes.

>If your grandkids each have two kids, you have 4 grandkids
if your kids each have two kids*

The reproductive ratio of 2 applies at the population level too, incidentally: if the women in your country have

Atleast you have as job. I'm 30 cant get a fucking job because my area has become a "refugee settlement area". Cunts wont hire me because they can get some skinny cunt for fuck all money. Our local internet is shit because our local council is pouring their coffers into a neighbouring ward because they all fucking live there; So i cant even make money online. All i want is a job, a wife, and kids but i cant afford to get married or feed kids. Get over yourself