Cute shy girl at college

>Cute shy girl at college
>She rarely talks and when she does it's meek and quiet
>Some obnoxious loud guy starts sitting by her
>Always grabs her shoulders from behind and it visibly scares and annoys her
>After a few months she's used to it
>They start talking all the time
>She rests her head on his shoulder
>He looks around the room with a smug grin
I give up

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So what's the problem? Maybe he treats her well and she's happy.
Did you ever think that maybe the "loud obnoxious guy" is better than the quiet faggot who sits in the room staring at the girl and hating anyone that dares talk to her?

This

Should have beat him to the punch

>college
there was your first mistake idiot. college is a magnet for sexual retards and expecting to find a respectable relationship there is damn near impossible if you want to get work done.

>be shy girl
>dudes awkwardly start conversation but it all ends in weird silence
>new guy comes around
>annoying, but always has something to talk about
>feel comfortable with him, because conversations are friendly and not forced
>no longer shy with him
>get to know him
>enjoy being around someone who gets me out of my shell


Gee I wonder

Not OP, but I am curious. How do you go about figuring whether a conversation is forced or friendly? As someone who has difficulty in social situations, all my conversations feel forced, so if there are ways to tell the difference that would be great.

The “loud” guy actually seems like a cool dude. The chick is probably happier now too.

If the person is fidgeting a lot, looking or turning away, giving rushed answers, or gives answers that don't leave room for response, it's an awkward conversation

Easy ways to make a conversation comfortable is to ask people questions about themselves
Shallow stuff, like hobbies

>If the person is fidgeting a lot, looking or turning away, giving rushed answers, or gives answers that don't leave room for response, it's an awkward conversation
That's me every time I try socialising.

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>Easy ways to make a conversation comfortable is to ask people questions about themselves
>Shallow stuff, like hobbies
in my experience, this usually makes them standoffish and feel intruded upon; creeped out, even.

Good response, going with what user said.. get them to talk about themselves until you find a common interest and kind of go in that direction.
One thing that is good for us internet dwellers is that we often have a lot of knowledge of a lot of things. Use that to your advantage.

Obviously within reason

>so, what have you been up to recently?
>holy shit did you see (generic super hero film) yet?!
>i can't wait to go hiking this weekend. Know any good trails around here?

>Easy ways to make a conversation comfortable is to ask people questions about themselves
>Shallow stuff, like hobbies
In my culture, that's a really weird, sometimes downright rude, way of talking to someone you just met.

Maybe it works better in America.

I am american, so yes

What, did you think you were going to win her affection by never talking to her and silently seething that other men were reaching out to her?

no offense, but i legit cringed at these.

>so, what have you been up to recently?
not appropriate for two people who don't already know each other
>holy shit did you see (generic super hero film) yet?!
fairly inoffensive, but generic
>i can't wait to go hiking this weekend. Know any good trails around here?
too eager and coming on strong. plus, i feel this would only if you were already extroverted to begin with

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>>so, what have you been up to recently?
>>holy shit did you see (generic super hero film) yet?!
>>i can't wait to go hiking this weekend. Know any good trails around here?
Eh, again I feel like this works best with Americans. These examples are just too much for my taste.

>get them to talk about themselves until you find a common interest and kind of go in that direction.
Been trying that for fifteen years, and never found any common interests to go off of. Not to mention that in some cases, just bothering in the first place is already overstepping your boundaries.

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I'm a introverted female and i suggested things that would at least be easy for me to respond to, leading into better and deeper conversation
Sorry, i assumed op had at least talked to the girl considering the tone of his post

If you're op, you should feel bad that you're upset over this. It's cringey, but it works, and this is why she's on his shoulder and you're crying on a vietnamese pottery painting forum.

those are totally normal talking points, perhaps you are just bad at small talk

>i legit cringed at these
That's probably why you're bad at making conversation

Very normal, anyone who finds typical conversation like someone asking about their hobbies cringey is probably socially retarded, and not worth listening to in the first place.

Maybe in the US it's ordinary small talk, but everywhere else here, those examples are invasive and downright disrespectful for strangers.

okay user, we get it, americans are weird to you

Shut the fuck up. Good lord. If the situation from the OP is happening, then OP is clearly not from a country where asking someone's hobbies is weird. Why do you even feel the need to chime in when your advice is just stupid?

You're probably from somewhere non-relevant if this is an issue. The majority of first world western countries would find this acceptable. Maybe pushy, but acceptable.

Americans are usually an anomaly to non-Americans. Especially when you elected Bush.

Okay, now you're just straight up racist.

>I'm a introverted female and i suggested things that would at least be easy for me to respond to, leading into better and deeper conversation
I don't know a single person who wouldn't be offended by those comments. They're forced, insincere, and really creepy. You're only going to scare girls away with them.

They're creepy and kind of what stalkers ask of you. That's not normal.

Funny, I'm from a first world country. And over here in Europe, it's one of your traits we make fun of. But go ahead, be a racist. It's Jow Forums after all.

I've seen your shitty posts all over Jow Forums and I want you to know you're the worst poster
All you do is purposely give bad advice so everyone will be as miserable as you

Saged

Then please give op advice that is applicable to your country, because even though the chances of op being north american are very high, your minority culture is extremely relevant to his situation

>clearly has never left the usa
It's usually North America that people try to be buddy-buddy and forward with everyone. But everywhere else, they prefer to stick with those familiar to them. I think the US is one of the few examples of an individualist society left in the world.

Even if op is in another country, it's clear that a shy female perfers someone who can give her conversation to feed off of, even if it's aggressively friendly than someone who is trying to stick to cultural norms.
If she didn't, she wouldn't have gravitated towards the other guy

>because even though the chances of op being north american are very high, your minority culture is extremely relevant to his situation
Congrats on your racism, bro.

My classes are so massive lectures where most people don't talk anyways so there's no way for my to find the shy qts should I just an hero

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oh, i get it, it's op derailing his own thread to save himself from further embarrassment by trolling and avoiding valid posts

If i'm wrong, please give legitimate advice
Also, it's not racist, badbait.

neve left USA? I've lived in latin america and have been to 6 european countries.. spent a considerable amount of time in india and other latin american countries.
You're completely generalizing a population while calling other posters "racist" which makes no sense at all. Just because someone is saying your points are irrelevelnt to a topic about Americans does not mean they're racist.
I'd be willing to bet I'm more well traveled than you and have a much deeper understanding of foreign cultures than you'd ever hope to know.

>Even if op is in another country
Doesn't have to be. Different countries do different things, even your neighbours. Which is why basic social cues tend to go out the window, since there's no universal way of going about it. In America, smiling and making eye contact is just default body language. Over here, that's flirting. You basically need approaches way more generalised than that. Something that isolationist countries tend to not realise.

>Also, it's not racist
It's ethnocentric at the very least.

>I give up
Learn from him

Become a loud obnoxious loud guy

not op, and it is racist since it's dismissing another country/culture for yours.

This is probably one of the stupidest posts I've seen on Jow Forums.

>I've lived in latin america and have been to 6 european countries.. spent a considerable amount of time in india and other latin american countries.
I doubt that highly, since you type and act too much like an American to even know a thing about those countries. Not to mention the majority of those countries are still in the Americas. As well as considering the average age group of this board, it's not logistically possible for you to spend much time in all those countries as anything more than a tourist.

>You're completely generalizing a population while calling other posters "racist" which makes no sense at all. Just because someone is saying your points are irrelevelnt to a topic about Americans does not mean they're racist.
It is racist to discount other countries in terms of relevancy and prominence.

>I'd be willing to bet I'm more well traveled than you and have a much deeper understanding of foreign cultures than you'd ever hope to know.
You know what they say about confirmation bias and anecdotal evidence.

those are still very much western countries and places that have a good relationship with the united states. so you're not very well-travelled here.

/his/ here, people who think something is normal simply because it is for their group is general pet peeve of mine.

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Please give universally useful advice so op can get shy girls in any country

You're being racist by doubting what I've done based on where I'm from. I'm 28 years old, and yes I was more than a tourist and literally lived in Chile for 2 years.

It is not racist to discount other countries in terms of relevence or prominence. It is however rude to that. Neither was done here. What was done is explain that your viewpoint has no relevence to the OP because he is clearly american. What you have done is show your ignorance by feeling the need to give your point of view where it is not needed. If an American were to speak with the Chinese and tell them to act a certain way, and they told him his advice is not helping them because it has no relevence in China.. would you side with the Chinese or the American?
In reference to you talking about anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've said before, so I don't even know why you're saying that. To be honest, you sound like you're trying way too hard.

Everybody you know would be offended if asked what they were up to? You know some very strange people.

If you think India is western, you've clearly never been there.

>You're being racist by doubting what I've done based on where I'm from.
That's being racist. That's just attacking you personally.

>I'm 28 years old, and yes I was more than a tourist and literally lived in Chile for 2 years.
Anecdotal evidence. Your consistency of behaviour still shows you learned so little, I doubt you were ever there.

>It is not racist to discount other countries in terms of relevence or prominence. It is however rude to that.
That's one of the basic definitions of racism; rude or not. It's racist for the same reason that discounting blacks or Asians in terms of relevance or prominence is racist.

>Neither was done here.
Half this thread is racism.

>What was done is explain that your viewpoint has no relevence to the OP because he is clearly american.
That's racist.

>What you have done is show your ignorance by feeling the need to give your point of view where it is not needed.
Also racist.

>If an American were to speak with the Chinese and tell them to act a certain way, and they told him his advice is not helping them because it has no relevence in China.. would you side with the Chinese or the American?
That's exactly what you're doing.

>it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've said before
Your entire arguments are based on what you've said before.

>To be honest, you sound like you're trying way too hard.
Tu quoque.

usually that depends on the girl specifically, not generally or where she's from. Jow Forums never understands this.

>In America, smiling and making eye contact is just default body language. Over here, that's flirting.
you're either from france, germany, a scandinavian country, or a post-soviet state.

It's too bad people like you really exist in this world.

I'd still take him over absolutists like you.

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You're a gay man though... nobody in this thread wants you

OP here, what did you guys do to my thread?

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Jow Forums things.

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Is the guy good looking?

>it's rude to be friendly to people
the absolute state of other countries