Please help me understand guys, when did being a virgin become a bad thing? Dont get me wrong, you shouldnt be boastful about being a virgin at 40 years old. But im 19 years old. I got to college full time, am not a neet, am very social and have a overall good life rn. Ima virgin just cuz I guess. I had relationships before, but it never got that deep i guess. But why do people make it feel like being a virgin is a awful thing? As long as your not a crazy incel or too old then theres no problem, right?
Please help me understand guys, when did being a virgin become a bad thing? Dont get me wrong...
>you shouldnt be boastful about being a virgin at 40 years old.
>why do people make it feel like being a virgin is a awful thing?
Why do you try to make me feel bad for being a virgin? Answer that and you will probably have the answer to your question.
I guess because you never got to be intimate with someone on a deep level like that, though I doubt its a %100 percent just you. huh still though. man fuck the world for making me feel like i have to lose my shit at a young age to be accepted.
But at the same time user. If you have a good social circle, is educated and have a good job with a decent income then theres no shame in being a virgin. But if your a neet who hates women....yikes. But i hope your not like that
>19 still a virgin
Jesus Christ it's not that hard. I lost that shit at 17, how the fuck can you still be a virgin, the world is filled with pussy.
Because being interesting to the other sex is the only sort of value most normies can relate to because they don't have anything else going for them.
I agree it isnt that hard. Especially if you have no standards. I been with girls, but only for i can fuck. When I realized what i was doing I felt awful and broke up with them. Plus its really not a big deal to me, Im just curious why some people make it a big deal. Plus chill dude im 19 not 27 calm down lul
I agree with that too sadly.
haha fag I lost it at 16
>But why do people make it feel like being a virgin is a awful thing?
literally who though
>they don't have anything else going for them.
Yeah normies are fucking stupid they have nothing going, why can't they be intellectuals like us that post frogs and make bait threads on Jow Forums
Bet you cant name one person that has actually said this stuff to your face.
Pussy is overrated anyways, killer.
Woman like successful high value guys, so being a virgin implies you are not successful. For woman its the opposite, its so easy for them to get sex that being chaste is seen as admirable. A lot of people don't notice exactly why male virgins are looked down on because its one of those things that lingers ours sub-conscious.
>being chaste is seen as admirable
That's not exactly universal.
>when did being a virgin become a bad thing?
Never. It's become a thing to shame people for, but never a "bad thing".
Why? Because people are insecure about this (for some goddamn reason), and bullies (yes, ordinary adult bullies) noticed that when they pick on it they get a reaction.
So bullies keep picking and shaming others for it. But underneath it has no substance.
They could be picking on you for wearing glasses or not having a spare million dollars.
But that wouldn't phase you, would it?
>But why do people make it feel like being a virgin is a awful thing?
They aren't people whose opinions you should be listening to.
For fucks sake these are the same people that bully short men and tall women. Ringing any bells yet?
Or can you still not see how their word is equal to mud?
>theres no problem, right?
Yes. Rest 100% reassured. There is no problem.
Especially if you're that young.
Please. Guys who larp about wanting an experienced girl are just coping with the fact that its damn near impossible to find a girl who hasn't swallowed the semen of another man. Only degenerates prefer used goods.
You are literally an incel. People in the real world that aren't weird Muslims or something don't care if a girl has had sex before. Hell they'll even raise an eyebrow and pass on her if a girl is college-aged or older and is still a virgin.
"That girl sure is beautiful and intelligent, but I'm gonna pass because she hasn't had enough dicks in her."
>when did being a virgin become a bad thing?
No one cares about your virginity. The only thing anybody cares about is what your virginity is a symptom of. Being a virgin at a late stage in life is frequently a symptom of social dysfunction; some kind of sign that you didn't hit the developmental stages that you should of as a kid. Now, I don't want to paint with a broad brush. There's tons of people who just never got around to it but are perfectly fine. That still doesn't mean that people don't notice. Generally speaking, nobody really gives a shit about whether or not you've put your penis in a woman and, frankly, if you haven't shared this information with everybody then there isn't any reason that they should know. Chances are you're super sensitive about your virginity so you've projected that anxiety onto the people around you. I highly doubt that anybody cares at all about your sex life.
"That girl sure is beautiful and intelligent but I'm gonna pass on her because she has zero experience in relationships and I don't have the time or energy to teach an adult woman how to be the girlfriend I need her to be."
It's more like
>this girl is a virgin so she's either a religious nutcase, or she's just plain old crazy and the kind of girl to threaten to kill herself if I break up with her after a few months of dating - either way she's not gonna have sex with me.
Also as someone who experienced being with virgin girls, including having sex, it's just a nightmare in the end.
Sounds like you're more interested in like arranged marriages.
Browsing Jow Forums is patrician compared to people who do nothing but watch TV shows and sit at home all day, and literally nothing else.
Yes, that's a thing outside of Jow Forums. The mentality of those dudes is that they want an experienced girl to do pornhub tier stuff with a virgin girl might not want to do. Virgin girl = boring girl
Yeah because laying down and getting fucked is akin to rocket science, how could she possibly adapt?
More likely: "That girl is fat and autistic, no wonder she's a 23 year old virgin"
>The mentality of those dudes is that they want an experienced girl to do pornhub tier stuff with a virgin girl might not want to do. Virgin girl = boring girl
Like I said, degenerates.
>people who do nothing but watch TV shows and sit at home all day, and literally nothing else.
Normies don't do that. Maybe like your grandparents do that but that's about it.
Love the irony of OP pretending that people bully him for being a virgin, meanwhile in the same thread there's another guy who keeps talking about how normies are degenerates and sounds like he's a shitpost away from joining ISIS for his 72 virgins lmao
No, that's what some of my former classmates did and still do. My grandparents are eager to get their gardening started again this year.
Not believing in sexual/physical compatibility is something that only dudes who don't fuck buy into. Its difficult to understand the mechanics of relationships and how having experience relates to their quality when you're a KHV who literally has no frame of reference for the conversation.
Or that lol, but no one but a degenerate looking for freaky sex would prefer their girl not being a virgin. Just imagine a guy being in a successful relationship with a girl but wishing she had fucked more dudes before him, that doesn't make any sense. Any dislike of virgin girls comes down to the assumption that she won't make a good partner, the not her virginity.
It's all about perception. Different people will have different opinions on the matter. And if you don't seem like you should be a virgin people are a lot cooler about it.
It's usually used as an insult not because of the fact virginity itself is bad, but just how butthurt your typical incel type gets about being a virgin.
H-hitler, is t-that you?
How does a girl being fucked by other men prove you are compatible? That's like getting a stranger to try on pants for you.
The word has been said. Wait. He will come.
If she's a virgin, that means she doesn't have sex.
Why would I want to be in a relationship with a girl and not have sex? I can find a billion other girls that are just as pleasant as this hypothetical virgin of yours that will have sex.
Explain that to me please
No. He's right, though.
It's an unfortunate reality that many degenerates will see virgins (especially those who are virgins by moral choice) as too much effort for, in their eyes, a piece of meat.
The silver lining, of course, is that the really determined manwhores will usually leave the decent women alone.
There is also a subset of manwhores who get their kicks from "conquest", but that's a special kind of degeneracy which deserves its own thread.
Guy is too Jow Forums, though
this board so full of dumb fuckin normies
>implying that's a barrier for women
>How does a girl being fucked by other men prove you are compatible?
Your lack of experience has caused you to become solely focused on sex when the conversation is much, much bigger. See, in your tiny autistic 12 year old mind you're completely obsessed with dicks and how many dicks have been where and you've missed the forest for the trees. Sex is a key component to long term committed relationships. Anybody, man or woman, who has had to maintain a sex life in a long term committed relationship has an inherent understanding of what being intimate, both physically and emotionally with another human being for a period of time takes. Through this process they learn what they like, what they don't like, what they need, what kinds of things they're willing to sacrifice in a relationship and, most importantly, where their boundaries are. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, find out this information about yourself without actually living the life. So, ultimately, whether or not a girl has physically had sex before is not the issue. The issue is whether or not she's been in a long term relationship where sex and intimacy were a factor. There's a decent amount of adult men who are not interested in dating a woman who has no experience in being in a grown up relationship. If you had ever been in a grown up relationship you'd know what I was talking about.
Imagine tripfagging as "literally hitler" and posting "kek", thinking that you're gonna get yourself a decent woman lmao
If that were true, this board wouldn't be filled with incels going WHERE IS MY VIRGIN GIRLFRIEND REEE I DON'T LIKE ROASTIES
It can be when said woman wants a submissive Elon Musk tier dude who looks like a male model or pop star.
>There's a decent amount of adult men who are not interested in dating a woman who has no experience in being in a grown up relationship
And those guys are the minority. Most wouldn't give a single fuck if she was attractive enough. Men are very simple, see attractive woman, penis hard, deal with the consequences later. I assure you, most men do not think that deeply about relationships.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing in the world is? It's not your mother.
The answer is nothing.
That is to say, not only is nothing is easier than doing your mother, but also, doing nothing is so god damn easy, nobody should be blamed for doing it as long as they can. Life is already filled with chaos and being made to do so much shit. People work 40 hours a week, to come home with only 6, 7 hours if they stretch it, left in the day, and most of it is chores/doing cooking/buying food/so on/so forth. That's not a lot of time to leave you with things you like to do, and exceptionally little energy to do it. Why the fuck bother filling your life with another chore (maintaining a relationship/wooing girls in class/bars/work/the street)? That shit is tiring. I don't have anything to talk with about them anyway. It's so much more worth my while to shitpost on the internet.
imagine thinking every post is part of some clandestine samefagging operation by select trip users... dumb fuckin drone monkey go work on ur lil homework assignment or whatever
I wasn't saying that it was, just felt like including that other guy who posted "but muh normies" since he's also r9k cancer that needs to go back
>my witless caricature of a man represents the majority of the population!
>STOP LAUGHING AT ME GOD DAMMIT
The state of (you)
Most women virgins are not very attractive at all.
>whining that you’re a virgin at 19
Jesus fucking christ dude, you’re still just a child, don’t worry about that stuff until you get some life experience first.
How many girls have you slept with, user? If you have any experience, you’d know virgin women are absolute trash in bed.
>And those guys are the minority.
>I assure you, most men do not think that deeply about relationships.
Its very simple. Men outside of Jow Forums have a better functional understanding of the mechanics of relationships than men inside of Jow Forums. Its really easy to oversimplify and falsely characterize a process you have no experience with. When I say adult men I mean people over 25; dudes who have had bad relationships with immature women and absolutely refuse to continue these patterns into their adulthood. I assure you, maturity is not a rare concept.
That's my point though. How many woman are actually virgins, and how many of those are attractive? Most guys don't even have the option to fuck a virgin past a certain age, let alone be picky about it. As if any significant portion of the male population would turn down a virgin Taylor Swift, give me a break.
You’re wrong, buddy. Go outside and talk to some real people for a change. I should probably mention that the “adult men” we're referring to are 23+ as men under that usually have little serious dating experience.
I only want experienced girls for a good pump and dump. I would never commit to them.
>As if any significant portion of the male population would turn down a virgin Taylor Swift, give me a break.
You're operating on the assumption that said hypothetical virgin Taylor Swift is throwing her virginity at them.
The fact that you call it that shows that you've never even had sex.
The fact that you think virgins are preferable shows that you’ve never had sex with one.
>I would never commit to them.
This is a very convenient position to take considering the fact that women don't want to commit to you either.
>When I say adult men I mean people over 25
But now you're talking about an age group who has a very very very slim chance of even running into virgin woman. They can say what they will, but push come to shove, they would fuck that virgin if she was hot enough. Which brings me to my other point.
>You're operating on the assumption that said hypothetical virgin Taylor Swift is throwing her virginity at them.
Because that's a very important factor to this argument, if anything its not a woman's virginity that's gonna keep a guy from fucking her, its how attractive she is. All that shit about relationship experience and intimacy goes flying out the fucking window if the girl in question is actually attractive and not some bible carrying butter face.
>you think virgins are preferable
Not me, and I've been saying the opposite in this thread.
I was just pointing out that saying "I only want experienced girls for a good pump and dump" is some autistic bullshit that no one has ever heard outside of Jow Forums - like roastie or whatever else.
The thing is it isn't even a matter of preference; its a matter of realism. Guys who think that virgin girls have some kind of magical physical or psychological quality that makes relationships better are delusional and have no real life experience. That idea is demonstrably false.
>if anything its not a woman's virginity that's gonna keep a guy from fucking her
Well unless he's going to just dead-ass rape her, yeah, actually. The fact that she's a virgin means that she hasn't had sex and doesn't have sex and statistically speaking will not have sex with you either.
That's what makes absolutely 0 sense about the incel virgin gf fantasy.
"muh normies" what's wrong with hating on average faggots who think they got all the answers and can only argue from some socially propped-up basis, whose only talking points are the perceived sillyness of other ppl... hate people like you bro if we knew each other in real life I'd punch ur teeth out
There is a problem.
The general social belief is that if you didn't get laid at a proper age, you're a loser.
It means no woman has been attraced enough to you during the period of time when you were among sex-crazed beasts and were also a sex-crazed beast yourself.
Failing to capitalise on that situation means there's something very wrong with you.
Why would you want dating advice, career advice, financial advice or any other sort of life advice from autistic retards that collect disability after dropping out of school and still live with their parents and haven't talked to a girl in about 10 or 15 years?
Like I said, if you want Le Normands so much, go back to r9k. Simple as that. This board is full of people who have at least somewhat of a shoulder on their head, aka "normies".
Most of the oldfags and the original userbase of Jow Forums are normies as well.
>But now you're talking about an age group who has a very very very slim chance of even running into virgin woman
Yes and, ironically, they are also the only age group who has enough life experience to even understand what virginity would mean in the context of an adult relationship.
>They can say what they will, but push come to shove, they would fuck that virgin if she was hot enough. Which brings me to my other point.
This point means absolutely nothing. Sure, anybody would accept $1,000,000 into their bank account if they had the opportunity but that isn't realistic thinking. That has nothing to do with the fact that you have to work for a living and waiting around for someone to waltz along and drop treasure into your lap is delusional. Also, the people you would have sex with and the people you would emotionally and financially invest in as a potential life partner are nowhere near the same thing. People over 25 understand this.
>statistically speaking will not have sex with you either.
All girls were virgins once, didn't stop them from spreading them legs for the right guy. I'm not saying guys who would turn a girl based on her being a virginity don't exist, but they are certainly the minority.
user, doesn't this also mean that khv guys in their mid-20s are basically doomed and there's nothing they can do about it?
Took me 2 minutes of staring into this gif to realize it was talking about the tripfag. Could not for the life of me figure out why the guy in the image would be hitler.
Wew. Is this the first ever Jow Forums original meme? I swear I just don't see this shit, only screencaps.
>Is this the first ever Jow Forums original meme?
Not sure if I can be considered an oldfag.
But Jow Forums was basically a glorious board for pranks and greentext stories a long time ago.
pic related was circa 2011
Yeah of course kids in high school are gonna have sex for the first time and no 16 year old guy is like "omg you're still a virgin??? what a weirdo I don't know if I'm comfortable with this you might be crazy"
but like I said like 38 posts ago, when a girl is in her 20s and still a virgin, that's when it starts being a red flag for several reasons.
I wasn't talking about kids in middle school. You were, apparently.
I don't know. I just made that now as a wager he was gonna come flying in. And he did. I think degenerate is his summon word, why don't we go say it in the mirror three times and see what happens.
There are plenty of equally developmentally stunted women out there who would have no problem getting some practice in with a man-child. Once KHV's stop living in this fantasy world in which they genuinely believe they deserve some 10/10 perfect virgin waifu then they may actually be able to develop some kind of relationship. When all of your life decisions are based on your own crippling insecurity it really is no surprise when you achieve and accomplish nothing.
>Once KHV's stop living in this fantasy world in which they genuinely believe they deserve some 10/10 perfect virgin waifu then they may actually be able to develop some kind of relationship
That only became a fantasy because of the sexual revolution, throughout history most men would have never married a non-virgin female. People accept that woman have biological reasons for preferring non virgin men, but can't do the same when guys prefer virgin woman. The only reason men deal with non-virgins is because we don't have a choice or are looking for freaky girls who eat ass.
There was a thread the other week that prompted me to do some research and statistically you're getting down to about hopeless when you're a khv 40 year old. Like you are a super statistical anomaly at that point, less than 1%, and remember, a lot of those people are khv because they literally can't due to disability. I really wonder if those numbers will change because of computers, people can really shut in like never before but anyway...
Listen, look at me, focus on me, ignore everyone else right now.. Just keep living your life, don't shut in, keep going to work, maintain a social life, and statistically speaking, you will find someone. Got me?
>That only became a fantasy because of the sexual revolution
Yeesh. Here we go. I knew the amateur history lesson was coming sooner or later. Alright, I'll bite. Please expand on this. Explain the emergence of second-wave feminism to me.
>throughout history most men would have never married a non-virgin female
Throughout whose history? What specific periods? Again, expand please.
>People accept that woman have biological reasons for preferring non virgin men, but can't do the same when guys prefer virgin woman
You're an expert in evolutionary biology now? Ok. Again, I'll bite. Either post a source for this claim or explain to me in detail the biological significance of virginity.
>throughout history most men would have never married a non-virgin female
That's mostly true, but only because back then they had no real means of birth control or treating STIs - and women were used more as currency between clans and factions and families than any sort of notion of romance or love.
>The only reason men deal with non-virgins is because we don't have a choice or are looking for freaky girls who eat ass.
A. There are loads of virgin girls out there but you hate them because they're feminists or fat or whatever.
B. I don't want my salad tossed and never will. As a grown-ass adult man, I just want to be able to have sex with a girl if I'm going to be a in a relationship. Just boring-ass vanilla missionary sex in the bed with the lights out is good enough for me. However, I don't want to just kiss a girl on the lips and hold her hand for 6 months before realizing that things aren't going anywhere as they often do with adult virgins.
Nah, you already know everything I would tell you, you just don't care. And for the record I'm not against the sexual revolution, I love the wild wild west style of dating we get to enjoy nowadays, but even I know the backbone of civilization is moderating sexual activity, which strengthens the family unit and raises the quality of children being raised, but at the expense of sexual freedoms.
>but even I know the backbone of civilization is moderating sexual activity, which strengthens the family unit and raises the quality of children being raised
Yet somehow we're in living in the objectively best era of the best civilisation of all time, and also living in a time of sexual liberation.
There's a couple of holes in your theory.
>Nah, you already know everything I would tell you, you just don't care.
Fucking kek. So, in other words, you know absolutely none of the information I'm asking you for. You make specific historical and scientific claims, I ask you to back those claims up with facts and your response to me is "Nah, I'm not gonna back up my claims with facts because you wouldn't care". You're such a fucking brainlet it hurts.
>but even I know the backbone of civilization is moderating sexual activity, which strengthens the family unit and raises the quality of children being raised, but at the expense of sexual freedoms.
Give us an example. Any example.
That’s never been a thing, folks just used to pull out and accidentally get married more. Families were stronger when one parent working was enough to support a family
So what does being a virgin have to do with anything then? To me it sounds like you just dont like people who refuse to work and hate women.
It's funny that you say that because I'm actually a recovering shut-in.
And I'm actively doing all these things.
The problem is not finding someone, the problem will be to get over the fact that I'm such a broken person in order to gather up the courage to ask said someone out.
Why do people like you post here if you cant even comprehend us?
This is Jow Forums not Jow Forums. The best advice is usually the last thing you want to hear.
>You are literally an incel
>Yet somehow we're in living in the objectively best era of the best civilisation of all time, and also living in a time of sexual liberation.
You mistake an abundance of resources for overall fulfillment and quality of life. Drug overdoseand suicide are leading causes of death in America (prb.org
We are living in a beautiful hell.
People in America would starve to death because the crickets ate all of their corn.
Yup, worst board on Jow Forums desu
Also I don't know what you're trying to argue. I didn't say that we had achieved a perfect society and humans were now immortal.
Of course society isn't perfect and flawless, but at least there hasn't been a major war or a major genocide or a major genocide in the first world world in over half a decade.
is it bad that people are dying from overdosing and overeating? Yes. It's however objectively better than dying from hunger or being drafted into a shitty pointless war and dying not knowing if you're the hero or the enemy.
I lost mine at 14 to my cousin