How did humanity allow wage work to become the norm? It's degrading, stressful in its lack of income security...

Women.

Industrialization, friend

Why subscribe to that system of mass production and insect-like growth for the sake of growth in the first place?

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>Wouldn't a healthy and effective civilization breed useful and purposeful citizens?

Yes of course, but we don't live in one of those.

Shut the fuck up Boomer.

Because muh bootsraps.

This boomer specimen () is an excellent example.

>mass production
You can commission well crafted items with your skills and sell them to make a living. My guess is that you don't have any marketable skills. Correct?

NAFTA

He's not wrong. There really is no such thing as a bad job. They're all just opportunities. The up and coming generation nowadays needs to toughen up a bit and stop being so allergic to hard work. Nobody starts off at the finish line, the idea is to put in your fair share of work and earn what you want.

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ITT
>kids who complain that they have to work instead of getting neet bucks while playing vidyia like useless faggots
Pathetic.
The west is literally doomed.

What's really sad is I bet most of these young adults would end up feeling much happier and more fulfilled if they stopped treating work like an unwanted chore and started breaking a sweat for once to produce value. Staying at home being lazy is a horrible way to live. Only increases stress and depression in the long term as the consequence of dodging an honest day's work in the short term.

>boo hoo, nobody's ever had it as bad as us
>gibs pls

>You ever think maybe you're useless and that's what you deserve?
>Modern society raises you to be cheap, unskilled, and disposable tools for high class wealthy layabouts
>"Just be a good slave, it's what you deserve."
It's greed and indifference of that sort which cause nightmares like the French Revolution.

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>Wihtes should be in a shitty system
>cus oldfags had it bad so should you

You're a fucking boomer.

How come anytime someone criticizes the current wageslave system boomer amerimutts come out of the wood work and pretend that everyone is a lazy nigger or communist? Have you ever thought about reducing the population/immigration to increase wages? Ending loopholes and schemes businesses use to lower wages and benefits? Promoting traditional values thereby reducing the amount of women in the workforce and thus raising wages and the white birthrate? Getting business out of government so that they can't lobby for subversive measures? It isn't a dichotomy. It isn't either complete corporate slavery or socialism. Americans need to learn this.

2 out of 3 people hate their jobs.
that tells me a lot of people are trapped in a system they hate & have no outlet to escape it.

monday to friday get up and go to work in a job you hate, its surprising more people don't snap Tbh..

>it's not fair that I have to try
>the world owes me
>I'm the real victim here

imagine believing that
also
>I am a product of my choices - not my circumstances
>I understand the world is not fair and I'm OK with that

choose 1

Yo dawg why I gotta be workin n sheeit

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>How did humanity allow wage work to become the norm? It's degrading, stressful in its lack of income security, and relegates billions to empty soulless lifetimes of menial servitude.

Name one historical underclass occupation that was less degrading, less stressful, and didn't put you in more extreme servitude. I'll wait.

The very fact you're asking this question proves you wrong. If you asked the same thing just 150 years ago, you'd get smacked across your stupid face and told to get back to work.

Being a poorfag is suffering, faggot. But being a poorfag in 2019 isn't really that bad.

So yeah, go on, destroy the society, explore what's waiting on the other side of the spectrum. Be careful though: once you go there, there's no going back.

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In theory, at last half the population is below average in intelligence. You think we can all work the "important" "meaningful" and high paying jobs? Honestly, some of these retarded apes are lucky to be able to get money for flipping burgers. They should by all rights be disposable slaves, but miraculously, they get the same rights and freedoms as everyone else.
It's incredible.

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Clearly you can just keep on telling workers they're stupid and lazy and deserve to be worked to death for minimal pay and zero job security or pension plans and everything will turn out fine.

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and you assume you're at the top half of intelligence when posting that image?

Minimum wage work (which is clearly what you're talking about) isn't the norm and shouldn't be. This shouldn't be how you live, it's meant to help students make money before they enter college or during their college year, as well as teaching them major components of a workplace.

this is why communism exists

Did I ever say that you mouthbreathing fucking troglodyte? If I was above average at anything why the fuck would I still be working a dead end wage job?

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Work harder then you lazytard

Well, you referred to those below the average as "they".
At least you know where you belong.

It's an amazing picture. You have shit taste.
Then again, I guess I shouldn't blame you for your genes, kikes seem to love ugliness.

My boot belongs on your throat you greasy kike

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you are probably below average IQ, no decent education, learned helplessness and ugly as well. Its just natural selection m8, your environmental fitness is shit. Its beneficial that our current technology civilization promotes smart and resourceful, so stop whining and make my burger - pleb, and be grateful that you have shit to eat and place to stay, cause many of your kind before you didn't have that luxury.

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You believe wage slaves making a few dollars more than the minimum have a great thing going for them? Being an Amazon worker would probably pay more than being a McDonalds worker, that doesn't mean their jobs are dignified and pleasant. Even paper pushers at an office aren't in a particularly great set of circumstances given the erosion of worker protections and benefits and the constant push to cut costs, lay off workers, and automate as much as possible.

>this is why communism exists
To enslave or murder useless people?
Checks out.

>it's degrading
I think it's only degrading if you look at it that way.
I felt more degraded when I was going to school or hiding away in my room. Like, "yup, stick to your room where you belong, Momma's boy." My first job just felt fantastic by comparison. I was doing what I wanted to do.
People might not take me anymore seriously, but they at least have to acknowledge my existence, now.
>stressful
You build a tolerance to it. The most important sort of stress to get use to is social stress.
>lack of income security.
There's always something that needs doing. It'll be that way until we reach a post automation economy.

I'm so glad I finally got a shitty job, though. I experienced a lot with it and grew a lot from it.

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They are in vacation in Vegas doing gluttonous(sin city) things. That is not a normal restaurant in America just an FYI.

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>To enslave or murder useless people?
Communism enslaves everyone and murder useful people, since commies hold their believes not because they want equality - they want revenge on successful.

>You believe wage slaves making a few dollars more than the minimum have a great thing going for them? Being an Amazon worker would probably pay more than being a McDonalds worker, that doesn't mean their jobs are dignified and pleasant.
If you don't like your dead end factory job, you should've thought about your future during the decade you had in school where every year you'd be reminded to think about what you want to do when you leave.
If you want a good job, use the money you're making as an Amazon slave to go to the gym, tone your body and become a security guard at a small mall. From there you can stay there (I know a guy who did and he lives the comfy NEET life even at work, gets paid to tell people shooting up in the washroom to fuck off while eating jars of peanut butter), or you can advance to police work, as Western PDs are lowering their standards across the board.

get a better school degree idiot

Yeah, that's how the system keeps everyone working in shit conditions. You get raised to look down on people slightly below you so your sense of superiority over an even worse off person keeps you from feeling bad about your own dehumanized garbage circumstances.

80% of the workforce is shitwork.
30% of the population is unemployed.
But somehow every MAGAtard is a high-level construction company owner who has made millions in bitcoin and does law on the side.

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This exactly. It's bizarre how people always respond to this sort of topic with "I'm very successful and make lots of money, too bad loser" and try to make it about one particular worker's personal failings when really it's about the conditions of the great majority of workers.

Wage work was designed for people either too young or unreliable for salaried work.

It works well for young people because their hours are variable depending on time of year. They'll work more during breaks and may take an impromptu week off for Spring Break. Once they go back to school their times become highly restrictive. Working hourly they're under no obligation to work anymore hours than they're assigned and if they finish closing early then they can go home early with no problems.

From my experience, adult wage earners are horribly unreliable as there's a good reason for them being in wage as opposed to salaried work. They often aren't simply working the one job and that means regular schedule conflicts and further unreliability. The reason managers and foremen are salaried is because they're dedicated to one company to only work their full time and are reliable enough to work under a stricter set of time and obligation restrictions.

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welcome to adult's world. You sound like 15 years old teenage rebel. Grow up.

>How did humanity allow wage work to become the norm?
Free stuff - the NEETs wet dream.
You are a brain dead, delusional loser OP.

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Exactly. Don’t get mad that you never got a job because you dropped out of and are unwilling to go to interviews.

If you have no effort going in why expect effort coming out?

Like anything else that sucks: It's the jews stupid!
And NPCs go with it because they don't know any better.

>stressful in its lack of income security,
That is only in the US though, where you can be fired on a whim and not because of breach of contract.

Let say we keep this liberal utopia that you like so much and call the "adult world". You know that there will be another 1917. Is that what you want?

Also why stay so timid in your hedonism?

>>I am a product of my choices - not my circumstances
>>I understand the world is not fair and I'm OK with that
>choose 1

I saw that to, what a fucking retard that man in the pic is.

Also everyone is I am a product of their circumstances, to deny that is to deny gravity.

If you're smart enough to climb out of worthless slavery and become successful, then you deserve to have that kind of life. If not, then you deserve to be a worthless wagecuck. There's always a way out if you have the genes to pull it off.

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That pepe means youre joking right?
You can't actually, 100%, unironically believe that, do you?

based and redpilled

fpbp

>if you have the genes

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Have you ever directed your eyes towards anything that's not a 4chancla thread?
This is the most delusional post I've read all week on here, everything you've said is turbo-boomer tier
Maybe not all poles are based after all

>Know this guy; We'll call him "R"
>Mother is a Manic Bi-Polar Gook who is abusive
>Abusiveness drove her white husband away
>Up until a few years ago refused to get help because gooks don't believe in mental medicine
>Brother runs away to marines
>R ends up homeless
>Finishes last 2/3 of high school homeless
>Brother returns from the marines and he and R move in together and get wage slave jobs
>R's brother becomes a manager then general manager
>R becomes a manager at a hotel restaurant but returns to wage slaving because he worked 60 hours per week
>R becomes a manager at wage slave chain working alongside his brother
>After 2 years gets promoted to swank position that has him between the corporate and shop worlds
>He's only 27
>His mother is now mentally well and is so proud of her sons for being successful and forcing her to get help
Some people get dealt an absolute cancerous hand but if you're willing to break your balls for a while you can more than make up for it.

Another one
>Have autistic Mexican friend
>Only legal one in his family
>Lives in an enclave
>Went out of his way to speak with white people so his English would be decent
>Grew up outrageously poor
>Can't get FASFA loans because no parental signage
>Is afraid of private loans and nearly had an anxiety attack while attempting to apply for them
>Goes to local Community College and pays it all himself
>Is halfway through his AAS and Certifications and is already getting offered 35,000 per year jobs in white run establishments and will get up out of the Mexican Ghetto

>I have no money for things I want
>Hello, I have money and need things done for me, I can give you some in exchange for your assistance
>Cool, sounds good

>How did humanity allow wage work to become the norm?
>stressful in its lack of income security, and relegates billions to empty soulless lifetimes of menial servitude.
This has been the case for the overwhelming majority of all human life that lives or ever lived.

>It's degrading
That is just a state of mind. All suffering is relative.

t. guy that works as a shift manager at Chipotle
>haha look at these pathetic wagecucks making $11. if they had my supreme genetics, they could be making $11.50 as a shift leader like me!

watching this guy cry about his boyfriend on cam was hilarious

what's delusional about my post?

>Wants all the benefits of free market capitalism
>Doesn't want to work for any of it

>there will be another 1917
Commie cuck. Venezuela awaits.

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>How did humanity allow wage work to become the norm?
Because it was disallowed to run away into the forest, so there is no alternative than participate in this "society".
It was like this since medieval age if not earlier.

Wage work replaced serfdom. The fundamentals of society never changes, it is a pyramid, with the lower class being the most numerous. As opposed to the lower classes in previous societies, wage work means a guarranteed income, guarranteed free time and, depending on country, health insurance.
We still don't have the means to implement full automatisation in a sustainable way, so instead of bitching, go make a business that uses robots more effectively than competitors who use human labor, then hire the number of workers you would need if you didn't have robots, pay them and have them do the 'maintaince'.

When was it disallowed? Have you tried it? Did anyone come looking for you and attempt to take you by force? I suspect you are just afraid to do that, and you're right in doing so.

I thought wage and salary were more or less the same.

fuckin boomer kill yourself for ruining everything this world is good for

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I have no idea how and why, but it feels like i should know.

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>thinks this is the worst way to work in human history
Get some fucking perspective faggot. You are one of those people that watch period dramas and thinks you would be the nobleman.

Maybe shit's radically different in Poland, but in Burgerland, education means fuck all, intelligence means fuck all, resourcefulness means fuck all and IQ means even less
STEM fields are constantly diluted with below-average specimens to fill diversity quotas and you can still have a good degree and be regulated to working a trash tier 9-5 for minimum wage
And everyone before us had shit to eat and places to stay, otherwise none of us would be able to sperg out on our Indonesian Tech Deck tutorial containment boards
The whole "be grateful" thing I'm pretty sure I've seen spouted by 60+ers on cuckbook, always the looney bin "I USED TO WALK 50 MILES BAREFOOT IN THE SNOW TO GET TO SCHOOL" mentality with those people

This mentality is why the poor inevitably kill the rich. You dehumanize the poor, and don't realize you are privileged by birth.

Backwards mentality.

Europe has already learned, but a typical american is still this retarded.

Because someone has to do these jobs until we figure out how to get machines to do them. Not everyone is smart or capable but everyone needs to eat.

Also these are supposed to be more for teenagers and young people early in their careers, not adults raising families.

Try to live in the forest, it's only a matter of time an owner comes and tells you get the fuck out.
All land is owned now and it's enforced quite strongly.
There is little wildlife to hunt, so you cannot sustain yourself without society, especially if more people decide to life in the forests.
Good luck having a family in such unsure conditions.
You will be kicked out of forest into the city, sleeping in the city without having your own apartment or in the hotel is dangerous due to various lowlifes scurrying around at night
Good fucking luck.

get your 1000

Yep, lazy fucks just no perspective and think they "deserve" something.

For most of human history there is exactly zero other option.

Even today automation (automated manufacturing, farming, etc.) is something that requires considerable labor to utilize effectively. Even then you need people to manage it.

I agree that small business ownership should be encouraged far more than wage cucking.

>How did humanity allow wage work to become the norm?

Wasn't actually so bad back when you kept 100%

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>Try to live in the forest, it's only a matter of time an owner comes and tells you get the fuck out.
>All land is owned now and it's enforced quite strongly.

In the US we have national forests where you are can live indefinitely as long as you move your camp every 14 days

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>Wasn't actually so bad back when you kept 100%

This is retarded.

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>kept 100%
Holy fuck, you all have no knowledge of anything.

you think that because you're a coward tho nothing else
they deserve better because they were the one hit the hyperinflation since 60 years the harder
you sociopaths and coward loser can't understand everyone deserve to live a decent life because you think you're not the lowest in the ladder thats it

Good luck running a small business without any employees.

Even as the managers they're still wage cucking, the owners hire people to manage that shit for them.

You got lots of forests, so you somewhat can manage(you still need hunting permit from what I know). But Europe? Pfff.

i need a job

There will always be employees, user.

No, no one deserves anything. No one deserves anything bad or good. Things just happen.
That is life. You could save up to buy a house to have it burn down the very next fucking day.
Get some fucking perspective faggot and learn to adapt.

>everyone deserve to live a decent life

Everyone has a decent life. Nearly everyone in the west has family, friends, food, water, and shelter.

>Has an American flag

Embarrassments like you are living breathing proof of what the DoE has done to public school