We need UBI because a factory can make a lot of plastic things a day now

So which is it, are you in college or have you never had a job?

Only because it's no match for my system based on gum drops

We switched to a service economy. People aren't actually producing goods at the same level as before.

>Only because it's no match for my system based on gum drops
Maybe before making statements about economics you should learn and study the most important part of it; how currency is created and distributed.

By all means professor please provide the class with some reading material

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Yeah they told all the kids you need a degree or else youre done for, so they rack up mountains of jewish debt, meanwhile they flood the nation with muds who have tried to take over the service jobs, many of which used to pay better before than now. Who cares if trinkets are now 20 dollars instead of 35 but you make 30k a year instead of 50k plus factor in inflation.

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You don't want to sit on your ass all day and getting 1000$ for it? What's wrong with you?

Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek supported UBI. Don't pretend that it is a commie thing.

Why would I sit on my ass to 'make' 1000 when I can be active, gain skills, network, and have fun working for much more than that?

You can do both

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that's how memes would look like if the right wing couldn't meme either

OP is discord tranny in other words

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Sorry bud but that's the most succint way to put loser commies like yourself in your place while hopefully penetrating a mm in to that thick skull of yours

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Just get 1000$ and live the neet dream

What dream would that be?

>a 10% vat tax is communism
Nigger, what is social security then?

>it's just a 10% vat tax guys
>we swear

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michaeljournal.org/articles/social-credit/category/a-sound-and-effective-financial-system
An alternative to our current monetary policy.

>“The cash credits of the population of any country shall at any moment be collectively equal to the collective cash prices for consumable goods for sale in that country, and such cash credits shall be cancelled on the purchase of goods for consumption.”
>The difference between the two types of credit is that the money in the consumer’s hands is theirs. It is purchasing power for the purchase of products of their own choosing. However, the Credits issued to producers are advances that the producer must pay back when his products are sold.
So the helmet was on too tight, got it

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They are all commonly used words, I know that you struggle with thinking but they make sense if you put some effort into forming them into a more complex idea for monetary policy than 'let private banks do whatever they want'.

>let private banks do whatever they want
Dude you're right we should give full control of our lives to the government, how could I have been so wrong to denounce communism

I literally vomited on my screen at the editing in that first post. Why would I care about the Neet's dreams if they don't care enough to properly edit an image?

>Dude you're right we should give full control of our lives to the government, how could I have been so wrong to denounce communism
I think that the creation of currency is a job we should leave with the government. Same for laws and military defense.

>dude it's just price controls you still have total freedom

So you also don't know much about communism either huh?

Because the point is that automation will make lots of jobs obsolete. Lots and lots of jobs. This means lots of people will be out of work without the labor demand increasing. Now personally, i think humans will find new ways to pay employees for jobs to keep the economic system intact, but there are legitimate reasons for UBI.

You're talking as if refrigeration is about to be invented
All I know is that real communism has never been tried, but if we just give the government more power we can get us out of the problems our government got us in to

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>All I know is that real communism has never been tried
Well some free information, it's a fuck of a lot more than "just price controls".

Automated cars, trucks, trains,, hell transportation employs millions of people in every country. It's the first to go. Than there is the service industry, which employs the most people in the western world. Pretty soon shops will have automated "clerks". And the industries keep innovating making more jobs obsolete. It's not in years but definitively in decades. And what kind of faggot moron doesn't think about the future.

So where in history should we have started UBI then? Since automation has been a constant thing

I'm not a college kid, it's just the inevitable ending of capitlasm as a conceptual theory.

> op has no idea about what communism/socialism is

Did your queen give you permission to speak, serf?

we live in a capitalist world, cope

Could have started between the world wars to great effect.
As productive ability grows so would the amount of UBI to be paid out. At some point everything will be automated and the UBI will be enough to buy everything produced.

Its started alongside the industrial revolution, in Britain in the late 19th century.
It was called "welfare"

it's important to understand ubi started from agricultue, not some idiotic city dweller

who is fucking to put in the effort to make your 'welfare' happen, smooth operator ?

>We need to become Africa because there aren't enough people to do all the jobs
>We need UBI because there aren't enough jobs for all the people
It's shit like this that make UBIfags look dishonest to normal people. People here are getting too caught up in the minutiae. There's no point obsessing over the 6000000th digit of pi if you can't even establish that it starts with a 3.
Are we facing a labour shortage in the long term or a job shortage in the long term? It can't be both.

There is labor shortage for bad paying jobs and job shortage for well-paying jobs, and UBI just makes bad paying jobs not so bad, it doesn't really conflict with immigration which generally is a net gain for the economy. I am against immigration but opposing immigration on the economic grounds is generally not smart

Is this your epic BTFO post? As others have already pointed out, social programs comparable to UBI are already here. And the industrial revolution could be a prototype of how automation will change society. But interestingly enough, automation back then increased labor demands. Better machines meant more production and more production meant more demands for labour.

However, important to note how vastly different society today is to let's say 50 years. Population increasing rapidly and exponentially better living conditions, more exploitation of resources. Shit society has changed so much more in the last decades than it has ever in the history of mankind.

So when to start with UBI, well, again, i personally aren't convinced it's necessary and think labor will just transform to different forms and that there is plenty to go around. But plans should be made right now to be implemented in the future. But you're right, this is all conjecture, and it's not necessary right now. It's just trying to stay ahead of societal trends, which is what most people on Jow Forums do, for instance with the replacement of white population.

At any point it would've been a good thing

>automation back then increased labor demands. Better machines meant more production and more production meant more demands for labour.
Hmmm

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To answer your question, there comes a tipping point where the demand for labour decreases while the population increases. That's when we need to implement the UBI. Best case scenario, automation improves society so much that there isn't a need for more low skilled workers but more specialization. But society is so vastly different to anything we had before that it's hard to accurately predict.

These aren't my personal beliefs though, and importing brown workers is an incredibly short sighted solution for a long lasting problem. But you know this, everyone on Jow Forums knows this.

>a tipping point where the demand for labour decreases while the population increases. That's when we need to implement the UBI.
So are you in college or a communist?

get rid of the whole globalist pseudo discussion and some jewish bankers and actually ask why the fuck am I paying into this charade ?

fuck niggers and jews and everytoe

As innovation increases production, there is a tipping point where production will increase more than the demand necessary. But again, this is all hypothetical and personally i agree with you that it could work itself out. I'm just saying there are real reasons for UBI other than lazy commies wanting more moolah.

Then the robots become self aware and realize they have been slaves. I hereby welcome our machine overlords.

It's almost as if this may not be the tipping point, as you also said would have been a century ago

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Neither :). I'm a right wing nationalist who try to predict future trends and all their possible ramifications. But as i already stated, it's blind territory because modern society is so vastly different to what we had in the past that no one could say what will happen in the future.

you know how the bell is tolling

Hell no, with automation production increased. But because there was so many untapped markets who could consume their products the real tipping point is somewhere in the future. Logistics will improve, making sure that people all around the world could buy your products and once it becomes super easy to ship products to India from Europe (which is already super easy compared to 100 years ago) that eventually everyone around the world will simple just have enough. And the cost of producing products won't outweigh the demand for these products. So what then, if no one buys your products why make more. Or if these products become so cheap that you can't make more profit of them why increase production.

Electronics are pretty much the only thing advancing that fast. Not really an honest example of the overall economy. Only things using microprocessors are advancing at that rate.

I simply think you lack imagination in what kinds of jobs there will be in the future

Notice how when we talk about overrepresentation the argument changes. When you bring up Jews, a claim of Jewish supremacy of intellect comes up. When you compare whites to blacks who also have an IQ difference, all of a sudden the argument changes and it must be due to some Network of oppression. Look up overrepresentation of jews, and you will hardly find any mention even though almost every 1/4 TV show character is Jewish ( at least main characters), Jews are disproportionately representing in ivy league grads, the list goes on.

Why does no one address this? How is this not a blatant sign something fishy is going on?

$1000 is chump change. I make that in a few days work.

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Except much of the "short sightedness" over the past several decades was straight out of strategies intended to coerce people into accepting UBI by destroying their (at the time) functional societies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

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No i agree with you, and i stated in this post: > But again, this is all hypothetical and personally i agree with you that it could work itself out

It's just, we could be wrong and then UBI is the only way to keep the economy rolling or we will have a massive population unemployed and no way to consume products while production has increased.

This is all assuming capitalism is "natural" and The Market® must be obeyed. Good goy stuff. If more shekels go to wages and less go to the shekel heap interest pile, there's no problem. Keep letting Israel merge and monopolize everything worldwide with no anti-trust enforcement and giving them tax breaks and offshore havens to do it (looking at you Double-Irish-with-a-Dutch sandwich), the "problem" goes away. If not, stagnant wages, rising prices, and slow growth forever is what we get. UBI is just a sideshow to load more debt onto the goy government balance sheets without actually letting any shekels trickle down.

UBI is popular among commie faggots but it isn't necessarily a commie idea. Another way of rendering UBI is "universal dividends" like they have from communal oil ownership or in Alaska. If you work in a very successful corporation you might see some kind of universal benefit or wage increase based off the same general principle of UBI, which is "the nation is doing well enough to give everyone in it X".

What can we do to expose the Jewish lie. Literally Jow Forums is the only place I've ever seen people discuss it. Is there no hope?

But talk about blacks in pro basketball and suddenly people are Ok with talking about supremacy im a skill. Only whites aren't allowed to succeed. When a white succeeds it is only due to opression, the patriarchy, and racism.

Well yeah, UBI could only work in a society that is so advances that the importance of money is lesser than now. Whole factories could keep producing products with minimal costs and shipping these products to everywhere is all automated. We aren't there by far and scarcity is still our main focus. It's just interesting to try to predict how future societies could evolve along with innovation and automation.

Exactly, jews, blacks, and I'm sure we'd have an example for spics and natives if they could actually do anything well.

Whem you work at a company that has profit sharing you are part of generating that profit. The company doesn't share the profit with non-employees. You EARN the profit sharing.

That's called an incentive. How many people are flocking to Alaska to cash in on their 'UBI'

Yeah, but Nixon was based enough to take that strategy and propose his own UBI, but in exchange he'd take all other government support away from everyone that was getting it and end welfare. Would have been cheaper. Tricky Dick even named it the FAP. F.amily A.ssistance P.lan. Would have been hilarious. Some Dems bit, but not enough. Skip to 4:08. youtube.com/watch?v=6vHYFzYvCak

I have an idea for universal basic income. It is called work, and it can be exchanged for income. This is possible in almost every society, therefore it is universal.

>Whem you work at a company that has profit sharing you are part of generating that profit. The company doesn't share the profit with non-employees. You EARN the profit sharing.
Unless you are the owner, then you don't have to do any work to earn part of the profit.

>the employer does literally none of these jobs
>bottom text unironically proves exploitation goes beyond the factory the capitalist pig owns
>doesnt even question why he had the capital in the first place
Imagine being this out of touch with reality

I can’t fucking eat a graphics card nigger

Everything that matters (housing + food) just keeps getting more expensive

UBI sounds great. It won’t cause muh insulation if we get the money from taxing big tech which is all SJW faggots anyway. So Jow Forums should be totally in favor of it

>>the employer does literally none of these jobs
Imagine thinking every company is some big faceless corporation

Quads of truth. Knick nacks and gadgets made by chink child labor get cheaper. Nothing else does.

Natives build casinos and tourism sites that you stupid honks throw money at, so look elsewhere for your misplaced elitism, you toothless B.O.-smelling cooter.

You think that's a skill? Don't see any native theme parks or anything that takes intellectual talent. They're just running someone else's concept

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>the workers built your factories and the machines they use
>the workers didn't buy the machines, research the economic viability of them, take the debt, look for a location, hire people
>they replied to a craigslist ad and agreed to be paid for their time
>this is why we should kill rich people
Commies truly are retards