Is fascism a left-wing or right-wing?

because something being in the name doesn't make it the case you dumbfuck? do you think magic mountain literally contains wizards?

So what is fascism? I thought that it was corporatism.

fascism in the sense of Evola isn't either. it's really a rejection of the enlightenment and what came from it. national socialism has elements of both what we consider right and left but is realistic about race and culture.

the greatest problem today is both right and left views people as nothing more than fungible parts in their machine. a Nigerian is no different than a Swede to them.
it's this complete lack of understanding that is creating the stress in our society today.

No.

It;s not left, nor right. It is above.

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Third way is a centrist Bill Clinton-esque political ideology.
Third position is fascism/revolutionary nationalism.

Lol I love you OP.

all these edgelords pretending to be Nazis, don't even fucking realize it's socialism.

slightly left wing
>inb4 muh third position
>inb4 everything apart from my ideology is jooish

also this
fucking retard

>Fascism
>Shows Swastika
>Doesn't know what third position is.

>Third position is fascism
no
>revolutionary nationalism
every revolutionary in history has been a nationalist you fucking braindead retard.

I got into a heated discussion with a guy claiming it was not Socialism. Claimed he studied political history. Even after I posted a link showing what Hitler thought. Funny thing is the College he claimed he went to does not have Political History as a degree

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx.
independent.co.uk/.../hitler-and-the...

That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists"

Copy pasta what I said

independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html?fbclid=IwAR2nDKGhK1kfu4IY199tOcRuMpKeq7BI2xvML19tAiCWWo_NMqggf23zcYc

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_nationalism
Not just any "nationalism with a revolution."
It's basically "socialist nationalism" (not the same thing as national socialism).

Who cares? They're just titles. Why does this upset so much? What matters is what you believe, not what you're called.

Nope
youtube.com/watch?v=t42CnK0B4fo&t=123s

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Yes

True but that seems to be a pretty recent definition, becoming popularised in the early 20th century. You're both right I guess. "Proletarian nationalism" which it is sometimes identified with, would make it sound more distinct as a leftist ideology.

It's White-Wing

Different wing, same bird

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Its centrist with leanings towards authoritarianism along the y axis.

No, fascism is not capitalist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Italy_under_fascism#The_Great_Depression
>Three-fourths of the Italian economy, industrial and agricultural, is in the hands of the state".[34][35]
>As Italy continued to nationalize its economy, the IRI "became the owner not only of the three most important Italian banks, which were clearly too big to fail, but also of the lion’s share of the Italian industries"
The state owned most of the means of production.
I'm not gonna argue for Nazi Germany, they were much more capitalist, but fascist Italy was definitely not.

Third way
bitchute.com/video/WGAfAcf0jBgT/

Cheers. I think more people need to start using Bitchute. Jewtube is starting to crack down hard now.

>he thinks capitalism has anything to do with private ownership...
Burger education at its finest.

I believe Mussolini was much more well meaning than Hitler was, and every other subsequent US installed military dictator. But the fact is that's what fascism has come to be associated with.

What? That's what capitalism is. It's private ownership. The end goal of communism is personal ownership, and most real socialist states throughout history have had public ownership as the backbone of society.

>that's what fascism has come to be associated with.
Fair enough. I think Mussolini could've been a lot smarter. His thirst for imperialism was his downfall, unfortunately, leading him to side with Hitler.
In the end, he had to choose between his desire for conquest and ally himself with Hitler, or focus inwards on the state, and he sadly chose the latter.

Hitler is considered center authoritarian

>That's what capitalism is. It's private ownership.
Capitalism is rent seeking and usury. It is the wholesale societal acceptance of "capital gains" as a legitimate income source...

Everything else that burgers claim to be part of capitalism is not unique to the system they refer to as capitalism and , therefore, not primary defining features of real capitalism. You can have capitalism without a preference for private ownership. Just at the Chinese and their "state capitalism" or Europe's champagne socialists.

right hand and left hand are both needed to
take things away, fascism should be called
takeawaythingsism.

Alt Hegelian. Right Hegelian compared to Marxist Left (Junge) Hegelian.
Tainted ideology. Accept the divine right of kings if you want to go back to authoritarianism. At least kings are obligated to care for their vassals.

does it matter?

either you agree with the tenets of the ideology or you don't

China doesn't have "state capitalism" tho. They did at one point. They were called SOE, state owned enterprises, and they made up more than 90% of the economy at one point. Now they're down to 20%.

>Now they're down to 20%.
Offering up portions of state run companies on their state run stock exchange doesn't negate the fact that those companies are still majority owned by the communist party and its associated organizations.

>Retards
It’s far-right. No serious scholar disputes this

t. Poli Sci/IR Major

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Mussolini was Hitler's inferior in every way.

Right-wing for the most part.

Strong central government that controls education, business, and even reproduction. It is VERY left wing.

No serious scholar uses a left/right paradigm outside of discussions about British parliamentary history

I guess, but at least he had a coherent ideology and beliefs. I guess it's comparable to Lenin vs Stalin in a way.

It is Centrist or Far Centre.

I wouldn't say that. Don't so so harsh.

Fascism can be thought of as a third way because it takes aspects of both the left and the right ... but it takes more from the right. That's why it's often placed on the right.

I agree with the historians who generally place fascism on the right ... though I kinda disagree with the people who place fascism to the right of neoconservatism.

Left and right are arbitrary definitions as are all definitions because language is self-defining. Look at how they redefined "racism" as "Prejudice + power" for some reason.

Look how many communists and marxists abuse language. "I'm not a Marxist, i'm a Trotskyite with Marxist principals" "Oh that wasn't REAL communism" etc

Hell look at how we've redefined gender identity from "Do you give birth or impregnate people who give birth" to "Do you feel like wearing a dress today or pants?"

It doesn't really matter what label you choose to describe your beliefs with, what matters are those beliefs and their consequences. Labels are a Jewish trick from their Frankfurt dialectic, i'm sure you know the Hitler quote that refers to this. Labels are the jelly like slime they use to render any ideological discussion obsolete, then you counter that they employ the rhetorical question "So are you saying _____?" trying to bring the conversation back into a dialectic between two labels they control.

They are similar in enough ways.

>Third position is both wings.
You need two wings to fly. Having only one wing makes you flop around on the ground like a dumbass.

the "national socialism" of germany was far right. there were other expressions of nationalism, that aren't talked about normally.

nazbol.
eco-fascism (TK)
völkisch
internet iron-pill.
etc.

not everyone is looking to murder everyone else. sometimes the ideas promoted to advance one's own cause are not that destructive to others. a lot of reactionary faggots were laid bare when trump became cringey. a lot of dudes are living in 2016, when they weren't even trump supporters until 2018. it's fucking full-tilt cringe.why do you think the "left" can meme now? it's not because the same people decided to intellectually advance. it's because people shift ideas a lot.

You can literally get on Google Scholar and see them use that specific terminology

>If youre talking about the NSDAP? 100% left wing.
Since when is white nationalism left-wing?

>Its in the fucking name.
Hitler had his own personal definition of "socialism" which differed from the dictionary definition. Also, "national" implies right-wing.

If you define the left-right spectrum in the usual way of being a dichotomy between Marxism and capitalism then national socialism is neither right nor left. The Nazis themselves considered it a third position, rejecting both Marxism and capitalism as being Jewish inventions.

In writing, yes. In practice, absolutely not.

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Yeah I'm sure north korea is an actual republic lol

Fascism is basically when a capitalist country adopts an ultra-extreme form of patriotism, throws away democracy, and then tries to tie the concept of state loyalty to the concept of masculinity to shame any man who dissents.

Look at this fucking thread. No one is even talking about there values or dangers of national socialism, just a lot of "No U" infighting over whether NS is left or right. This thread is a prime example of the dialectic i'm talking about - we are presented with two options, is fascism left wing or right wing. Now we can be certain that nothing will ever come from this conversation because an argument can always be made in favor of one side or the other. People are coming at this with differing definitions of what they interpret "left wing" and "right wing" to mean, and so of course they will fight ad infinitum. Language is malleable because of its self defining nature, so arguing what specific labels "mean" is a profound waste of time because the effort can always be made to just redefine that label

Another Thing: Fascism often involves corporatism, though it's worth noting that corporatism is not always fascist.

t. wasted a student loan on a meme degree

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100% left wing liberal shit

take guns
kill babies
racism
love of muslim cock
socialism
shitty at fighting
faggit shit

If you are a liberal you are a nazi

If you are a wannabe nazi you are a brainwashed liberal

You kids think you found the secrets of human history on youtube... a site you think is ran by evil jews. reconcile, you cant

if you dont want to be a liberal nazi then you have to accept that you allowed yourself to be brainwashed by catchy youtubes

no value

no future

get your shit together kids

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>dangers of national socialism
preferable to the degeneracy and kikery in the post-modern West. 100%

You can't pin a standard economic system to fascism. It changes depending on the needs of the individual nations.

the soviet union would have beat the usa tho, in an all out war.

Precisely. It is a completely arbitrary definition and it depends on how you choose to define Left/Right. Examine this thread to see this in action, look how they attack each other with their own definitions they defined on their own terms

Third position and fascism are similar, but different. The main difference is that the third positionists want to hand the means of production over to the state in a Leninist sort of way.

Stupid dumb Marxist scum. Missing the entire point of what it means to be third positionist.
Nazism fundamentally is not an economic ideology.

National Socialism is a left winf ideology desu. It just happens to be ethno centric. Only the faglords of todays political soap boxes correlate ethno centrism with "right wing". For instance, Italy's form of Fascism could be considered "right wing" because it was purely nationalistic.

See now that's a conversation worth having. We can use concrete examples to see what the effects of a democratic society are and what the effects of a fascist society are. The only way a thing can be defined objectively is by its effects, not these rhetorical circles wasting our time.

But that's the Jewish dialectic at work for you

Any ideology that deals solely with economic concepts and reduces everything to economic terminology is 100% kiked and not fit for humans with souls. Any system without a strong spiritual metaphysics and value placed there is evil and antithetical to human experience.

is this opinion day? or was that a feeling you had ?

this is why you brainwashed liberal nazi are so stupid and cant win at anything

you dont think about facts or reality

you just spazz out and say whats on your mind or how you feel.

stfu

you

brain

washed

liberal

nazi

No value

No future

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>migaimage
>spreads lies about NS
Jew or boomertard, which one is it?

>fascism
>developed by anarchist/communist veterans and journos
>doctrine written by italian ex-commies
>adopted by monarchists, Democrats and commies around the world
>t.18y/o interprets within left-right paradigm
>DUHHHHR IT RIGHT WING HE HE MY POOPER HURT

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Please don't tell me boomers have managed to pass down this stupidity and lies to a younger generation.

You're making a common mistake. There were both (what we consider today) right wing and left wing elements within fascist governments.
National socialism was fascism, moulded to fit Germanys needs.
That is the beauty of fascism, that even the most diehard fascists get confused by sometimes. It is a malleable thing.

like

What’s with all the 13 y/o seppos on this arvo? Pic related

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Right wing is libertarian and smaller central government and autonomy of the individual.

Left wing is, strong central power, pro slavery, pro corporatism, socialist, communist and is against autonomy of the individual. Fascism is only possible on the left.

>take guns
There was less gun control in Nazi Germany compared to the Wiemar Republic.

>kill babies
White women in Nazi Germany were not allowed to have abortions.

>racism
Since when has this been a liberal trait?

>love of muslim cock
Netanyahu made this one up.

>faggit shit
Gays were put to death in Nazi Germany.

>You kids think you found the secrets of human history on youtube... a site you think is ran by evil jews. reconcile, you cant
How ironic. You are badmouthing Nazis while spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy nonsense.

brainwashed

liberal

nazi

who thinks he found the secret of human history on youtube

thats what you are kid

you are no value

you have no future

enjoy that muslim cock while you still can

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You're a national embarrassment

The worship of the individual above all is not right wing. It was twisted, mainly but not only by, the US.

Reddit spacing.

The soviet union would have lost if it was alone against Germany. Natsoc is so powerful that even the winter isn't enough to defeat it.

This already happened to Russia when it was BTFO by japan in the 19th century.

Let's see it was practiced by the alt right in Germany, fuck you think retard?

I will never accept the idea that if you provide a person with a good life and give him social flexibility, he won't give you 110%. A human society needs to address all economic problems first, then bother with the residual effects that played on the social aspects of the population.

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>I will never accept the idea that if you provide a person with a good life and give him social flexibility, he won't give you 110%
Raise a spoiled child and see how he turns out

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Hitler said many times "We are all socialists now".

Fascism is and will always be left wing.

>fascism
>far right
pick one nigger

>what we consider today
There's your problem.

>The soviet union would have lost if it was alone against Germany.
False.

>winter memes

if you honestly think the germs would have won just by taking moscow you're retarded, and probably would lose a war before you even have a shot at it.