Conservatives like Pat Robertson are campaigning to stop this. Are they wrong or right in doing so? They say it violates freedom of religion by forcing people to meditate, even though children can elect to not participate.
I think meditation is helpful, it should always be secular and divorced from religion. Schools arent pushing kids to be Buddhist,they are just teaching them something that scientific studies prove to be helpful in concentration, memory and anxiety.
Thoughts, Jow Forums? Why do some conservatives oppose this?
Many pass around rattlesnakes and often get bitten and die, but they always think God will protect them. They even refuse medical attention.
Even if you think meditation involves watching the breath (it doesn't), how is toying with snakes better? These are poentecostal churces and more common than you think. Religion can get weird, but meditation has science to back it. Fucking around with snakes does not.
Lincoln Perez
so what's wrong with meditation? i mean, i learned about it from a shinto perspective, and it's pretty chill. kids could learn from it. besides the whole california uber alles thing
Luke Robinson
>A thread died for this.
I hope it was a yang thread
Anthony Jones
This, "the meditation without pray" is just weaponized hedonism as always.
Justin Baker
>so what's wrong with meditation? Nothing, the meditation they teach kids is just to be introspective and pay attention to what is actually happening in the present moment. You really have to do some mental gymnastics to make that bad.
Learning to focus is the first step user. Then you learn to focus on more and more things at once. And once you can do that you focus on nothing. Not a blank state, but that which cannot be made into a single thing.
Thomas Hughes
>Doesn't know what enlightenment is >Laughs his ass off Meditation helps people with depression, anxiety, mental illnesses, that's science. And enlightenment is a realization that you are not you, that can only come through non-doing, not doing.
Meditation is an inherently religious practice. (((They))) are trying to delegitimize the thousand year old traditions Buddhism and Hinduism by pushing the secular mediation narrative. I love Buddhism but I think school should remain secular, therefore meditation has no place in school.
Luke Perry
Fuck no you aren't, there are two kinds of religions, dogmatic and questioning. And those are derived from two main religions, Judaism and Hinduism. Buddhism is derived from Hinduism.
John Reed
Meditation is simply a technology, a science, a science is secular always. Is electricity English ?
Zachary Wood
So there is this level of retardness on this board, I will keep that in mind.
Christopher Morales
I'd be OK with this, except Americna schools don't teach a single fucking thing the right way. Instead of training the mind to ignore impulse, they'll sell the kids on some hippy bullshit bliss-out.
Christian Thompson
I do mindfulness meditation and it helps keep my stress down and head clear to tackle the things I need to do to be productive. It's pretty based actually.
>And enlightenment is a realization that you are not you, that can only come through non-doing, not doing. The only reason I still come to Jow Forums is that some people are insightful.
People think that at most, meditation makes you relaxed. Meditation, when done right, brings you to confront the true nature of reality, which cannot be explained
The problem is that these people claim meditation is hindu/buddhist and therefore teaching it is not secular. This is retarded on a fundamental level.
James Rivera
>What I hope they'll teach as meditation: Training the awareness to focus on a particular object and remain fixed without becoming distracted, or training them to observe their stream of thought without evaluation, bias, or other distraction. >What I know they'll teach as meditation: Heathen mystic hippy nonsense
meditation is not a secular practice, I can't even comprehend what secular mediation is
Brandon Cook
meditation should be seen as an exercise of the mind, nothing more. We make kids take Physical Education classes and lift weights, what is wrong with doing the same for the mind?
Daniel Robinson
When I'm meditating, my brain plays favorite porn and anime.
Hudson Jones
I am trying but with the way things are going there is a strong possibility my mind may be destroyed in the process.
Dominic Thomas
>meditation is not a secular practice, I can't even comprehend what secular mediation is Let's just look at one type of meditation: vipassana. You sit there and monitor your sensory experience, mentally noting each type (feeling, thinking, feeling, etc.)
That is overly simplified, but nothing about it is religious at all, it is naturally secular.
Oliver Gray
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Brody Kelly
Teaching kids healthy and natural ways to cope with stress is a good thing. Most people resort to drugs, thats a bad thing.
Grayson Gonzalez
Its fucking meditation, you autistic fuck. Try it sometime, i helps to sort out mental blocks. No one is pushing any kind of agenda.
Isaiah Howard
I see. Yeah, one can definitely do it secularly without issue, and I imagine that's probably how it is being taught. I've no qualms with teaching kids some tools to help keep them more mentally stable and productive, given the suicide epidemic among whites, the opioid crisis, and other problems we face that this can help alleviate.
Meditation isn’t bad but I don’t trust the schools doing this or anything having to do with spirituality at all whatsoever
Ryder Gomez
Everyone in the world should meditate, scientific researches have proven it increases your empathy too, and without that the earth is doomed. The world needs consciousness and awareness more than anything right now.
Meditation is not Hindu. That’s like saying electricity is Christian.
Yes, many terms relating to meditation are from Sanskrit but many terms in sciences are from Latin.
That doesn’t make it religious lmao
Adam Scott
meditation class to me means imagination class I think the difference in successful people and failures is imagination. That being said the potential these school fags would subvert it all and make it about propaganda agenda is extremely high and i wouldn't trust my kid to them for any education processes. A bit of personal experience with this when i was in 3-4th? grade my teacher asked all the kids to close eyes and imagine a white screen like in the movie theater out of a class of 20+ only 3 kids 2 girls one boy (me) said they could imagine the screen he then did it again with a red apple and nobody raised their hands even then i was amazed of how weak my mind was. Either way no amount of meditation is going to make pedros or jamals dad come back and raise him proper so there's nothing the school can ever do to improve them unless they gain conciseness and become self aware but thats a shot in the dark.
>Its fucking meditation, you autistic fuck. Try it sometime, i helps to sort out mental blocks. No one is pushing any kind of agenda.
Did you not realize I am promoting meditation and am on your side? Furthermore, there are great lessons pertaining to spiritual practices in the Mahabharata. Did you even read that?
Justin Ward
Yes, meditation is a science.
Nathan Cook
There should be a dedicated half hour in schools designated for "personal growth". Maybe some could meditate but others could pray and others could even read books or stretch. I think the practice of mindful of your body and soul helps people learn and feel comfortable, so it makes sense to dedicate time for it in school. But it shouldn't be one specific form of spiritual growth pushed on everyone
Josiah Gutierrez
This is an actual concern lol
Parker Gonzalez
It absolutely can be and I do it myself. You simply sit and breathe with your eyes closed, concentrate on your breathing and work on keeping your mind quiet. Not by actively fighting thoughts but by letting them float off. Doing this for about 20-30 minutes a day, eventually you are able to bring an inner peace with you wherever you go. It's genuinely a great tool and quite delightful.
Thats new age bullshit, and that must not be taught in any schools or anywhere ffs. Christ himself says, be silent and witness god, that's what they are supposed to teach. To silence the mind.
Samuel Jones
>calls me idiot but provides irrrelevant video You're mentally ill, maybe we should ship to one of those clinics.
Prayer itself can be a really good tool to live better and deal with stress and anxiety, they should teach kids the beauty of prayer too. But the thing is there are very little people who understand it themselves. In prayer you are to become one with god, to pray so intensely that the one doing prayer disappears into god, like the river dissolves into the ocean, to be full of gratefulness, not full of complains and desires of stuff in the material world, that is real prayer.
Logan Wood
Meditation is not religious. Christcucks are retarded.
Ian Russell
Various forms of meditation are both secular and highly useful, but I doubt the schools will teach them instead teaching watered down psychology courses mingled with the school board's acceptable degrees of mysticism. Its unfortunate, because I'd otherwise be fully in support of this. As it stands I'm skeptical.
Austin Myers
I should add that the point of it is that it's a SILENT half hour, so it's not a social activity. I loved nap time in kindergarden so much, I wouldn't even sleep I would just read or play silently, but I think it made me a better learner and gave me something to look forward to. It should be an important practice for every adult, being in a space with other people but just being quiet and focusing on your own spirit. Church does this for people but unfortunately a lot of school children are being raised in secular environments and are being deprived of important lessons in inner-growth. Meditation has a lot in common with prayer, but I think school children should be free to practice whatever form of silent contemplation they like. ESPECIALLY now, we are basically raising them to have ADD with all this crazy tech
David Walker
I don't oppose it. Christians don't have a monopoly on conservatism.
Logan Ross
>implying Indians do meditate At this point more Americans are doing yoga than Indians desu
Yes, being silent is absolutely important, especially in this day and age where kids are distracted all the time, it is ruining their brain chemistry.
Ayden Robinson
Exactly, and this is where meditation falls short of fulfilling this need in western socety Yes, yogic meditation among practicing Hindus serves this need, but that's because they believe in their god and are performing the activity with REVERENCE. What separates prayer from western meditation is reverence. Americans meditate for selfish reasons - to quell their anxieities to be better workers. Prayer is done with reverence and is used to get closer to God, and by getting closer to God you are better able to understand yourself and your relationship with the world.
Owen Wood
Why do christians assume their religion is the only true one because they belong to it ? (Just like everyone else)
Jaxson James
No meditation is a religious act. Hindus buddhists muslims and even christians use it. They might as well bring back prayer if they bring meditation.
Colton Carter
I think (((they))) want us to meditate so we become passive and weak. The time would be better spent teaching young men how to box/wrestle.
Colton Scott
That’s missing thelema
Jose Price
I'd meditate all over those tits.
Parker Wright
Meditation doesn't need god or reverence actually, it is that through awareness, you start seeing god in everything. It *makes you* prayerful towards nature, birds, trees, other humans. Similarly, prayer, and being prayerful makes you meditative, more aware of yourself. Prayer and meditation are two sides of the same coin and go hand in hand. Prayerfulness makes you aware. Awareness makes you prayerful.
Joseph Reed
Holy fuck
Alexander Evans
Kek
Luis Perez
Meditation is a religious act for Buddhists and Hindus but has been unfortunately secularized by Americans. It is much less effective as a secular act, but I guess we can't have the children actually acknowledging the existance of a higher power because that would wreck the foundations of the state
Thomas Ward
You need mental and physical control, strength, and discipline. That said, I don’t trust the school with this
Sebastian Green
Test
Brandon Hernandez
That's tantric meditation, i doubt we should teach that in schools.
Henry James
I bet you boxers who also meditate are better boxers because they are more present and in tune with their senses
Evan Turner
Buddhist dont like new crap, the constant misunderstanding of the practice is bizarre.
Aiden Bennett
Who posts these threads every few weeks? Is this the UN doing a study? What’s the endgame with threads on this topic?
Henry Young
>even christians use it. And sadly, the Inquisition targeted them for doing so.
I personally love the Buddhist sutras, but "the Cloud of Unknowing", a Christian text, is one of my favorite books. Whether you are Buddhist, Hindu or Christian, the text is amazing.
"By grounding this naked intent in faith, you reduce your consciousness and emotions to nothing but a simple recognition and a blind embracing of your own being. It’s as if you’re saying to God: “I offer myself to you, Lord, without analyzing anything about you. I’m accepting you as you are, nothing added."
That is from a Christian, but it is easily seen to be relevant by Buddhist and Hindus.
Juan Hall
Teressa of Avilla and her master used to meditate too. Christian meditation techniques were usually visualization based, but beautiful anyway.
Christopher Long
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There is no such thing as Hinduism. That's a word made up by the English who stole it from the Muslims that called the Sindhu River Hindu because they could not pronounced it right.
The original name for man's right conduct was called Sanatana Dharma "the eternal order". From this code for human society all other religions originate even Christianity.
Sanatana Dharma is the code made for man. A code that acts according to man and makes him one and the same with nature not separate from it.
Sanatana Dharma was practiced worldwide even in Europe by the ancestors of modern day Europeans.
It wasn't until the murderous Christians killed the Europeans that practiced Sanatana Dharma and called them pagans and made it illegal punishable by death to practice Sanatana Dharma.
Jace Butler
I mean all asian martial-arts have meditation as one of the core practices.
Easton Jones
meditation isnt really a religion or exclusive to any one religion. it can be good supplement to religion in that it helps clarify how the self works, how to identify and overcome recurrent patterns of thought, and build capacity for introspection which is invaluable to any human. dunno why robertson is against it unless theyre presenting it in an overtly western buddhist manner that tends to place focus on new age bullshit and foster wrong attitudes toward meditation. and if thats the case then all the kids have to do is find out about meister eckhart and theyre right back to being christians
Michael Cooper
>Meditation is spreading They're not going to teach the actual stuff. It'll just be a way to slack off for a whole hour.
Matthew Young
True, hindu has been a geographical identity not a religious one. Proof is that there are all kind of ideologies contradicting other ones that are a subset of hinduism, there have been even atheist hindus (charvakas, ajivikas) in ancient India, so there has been no dogma of hinduism.
Justin Sanchez
because once you have a map you dont need the same map in a different language to get to the same place, switching maps is just getting in the way.
Cameron Phillips
15 years ago my english teacher did this. It's just breathing exercises. There's far worse things they're brainwashing them with. Christcucks are the worst, all they care about is their retarded superstitions instead of the real damage because they believe god will take care of everything as long as no one's being blasphemous.
Kayden Perry
Well yeah, if they practice it in a true way it could lead to finding god but even the pope is bluepilled af about his own religion you see, if they want to follow it then they need to rely on people like Eckhart Tolle for interpretations, or Alan Watts, or Osho (yes, he made fun of christians a lot because he was based af but he had some real insight about what jesus meant and makes sense) or other realized people.
Connor Ward
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Sanatana Dharma is based of nature and they knew the human body at a level that only until now we're begining to understand.
Chrakras you may think they are hokus pokus new age whatever. Sanatana Dharma calls them energy centers we call them nerve centers. The Nexus points of nerves that transmit electrical signals throughout the body.
Meditation and breath work are one of the same. There is no meditation without breathing techniques. Breathing techniques based on the human natural ability to control their being, moods, thoughts and impulses solely through the breath. When we are excited our breath naturally quickens when we are relaxed our breath naturally slows down. If you can control your breath you can control your excitement and relaxation at your own free will. That makes you a free man because even if other try to control your being you can control it better than they can. Sanatana Dharma is freedom. Dogmatic religions are slavery.
Connor Wright
this was one of my concerns, my other concern is immediately after they push leftist drivel onto kids.
Charles Wright
>weak bait
Tyler Baker
Meditation is the practice of death
Julian Barnes
Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, even recommends Vipassana.
He meditated for a whole day in a cave and got over 1,000 misquito bites, but kept on meditating. I'm not being ironic or disrespectful to him, I think he is inspiring. If he can do it while running a multi-billion dollar company, why not us?
He even makes time for two hours of meditation each day, despite bing a CEO! How does he do it?
>Meditation is the practice of death All religions have this. What do you think being "slain in the spirit" means in Christianity?
It is literally all the same, just described differently. Look up William James' study on this.
Sebastian Hall
He is such a fucking loser
Dominic Wilson
Source. I tried it and felt like it was a waste of time
Nicholas Johnson
White women mediate without the religious underpinning so go no where. This Enlightenment is a scam, if you go down that route you will be a old man and realized you wasted you life, as many others have. Christina sty is the red pill
Joseph Martinez
It's completely undemonstrated that the mindsets encouraged by meditation are more desirable than some other mindsets, and that's coming from someone who makes a fairly serious practice of meditation. For all we know, we're murdering the next Mozart or Einstein with this stuff.
