"Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19."

Japan loves their rules. They check IDs all the time. Of course you could just buy beer and smokes from a vending machine but they also need a special card that you get from buying with presenting your ID.

If that's what you got from the post ... the education system in your country failed.

So you let a teen manipulate you into a relationship instead of getting professionals involved, interesting call. How did it go?

I got so tired of my ex threatening suicide that I actually called the cops on her saying shes going to take her life and she got stuck in a mental ward for a week. She never pulled that shit again.

It went fine. Nice, year long relationship. She threatened suicide dozens of times for various reasons and ultimately ghosted me, but it wasn't a bad year.

>If that's what you got from the post ... the education system in your country failed.

You do know that it's not even 25 years old, right?

Brah 15 is adult. That is the true redpill, we are growing up too slowly really by 15 you should be self sustained and getting some pussy but in this society we make us wait til your 20s because of laziness.

tits and ass doesn't really have an age
18+ is a good solid number

It's around that age when the core stuff is done. With obvious variations for each individual.

>by 15 you should be self sustained and getting some pussy
Yeah. Still far from being an adult.

Society just became more complex. Modern society requires more years of training than the agricultural societies of yore.

You are kind of right but at the same time entering the working world has shown me a lot of people are just seriously lazy. Which I guess isn't so bad because then you have the types that are serious workaholics smothering themselves with work. It's a strange world.

>With obvious variations for each individual.

But in your mind anyone who is younger than their mid-late 20s are all a bunch of idiots who can't make choices for themselves or anything even if they are legally and biologically adults. Because their brain has yet to fully stop developing.

Lazyness is a healthy trait and only given if they are doing some pointless shit slightly above minimum wage shit.

The workaholics usually pursue a career they actively choose or at least enjoy performing to their max despite the lacking benefits.

That's like, you reading what you want into the post. I don't do generalities, friend-o.

there's a few extra rules to that though
also, Americans aren't really prude, they just really love to pretend to be, but if you really think about it, their whole "culture" seems to revolve around sex, just take a look at anything they produced in the last 30-40 years

>I don't do generalities, friend-o.

>When it comes to life experiences to make an informed decision, most aren't either.
> Going for 19 year olds as a 25+ year old fuck is just sad though, and either predatory or because you're underdeveloped yourself.

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America is the land of contrasts.

You have old-school fundamentalist Christians that want to ban abortions and everything, you also have people who just want to fuck everything all the time, you also have incels, etc.

There absolutely is a decent part of American culture that views sex as a dirty dirty thing that ideally shouldn't exist at all.

>most aren't either
>MOST

>predatory or because you're underdeveloped yourself
That's again, including individual differences.

>There absolutely is a decent part of American culture
And a pretty powerful one at that, seeing how simply the word "fuck" is considered more offensive than violence in their media regulations.

>>MOST
That's still a generality.

>That's again, including individual differences.

Nah, that's completely cultural. Especially American.

>Eeewwww he's dating a 18 year old adult he must be a pedophile omg

yeah a mental ward is hell

>she got stuck in a mental ward for a week.
Yeah that shouldn't be legal. I was put into a mental ward too because I said too much in therapy. But I never had any plans or anything. Had to talk my way out luckily I got out in a day but holy fuck that shit is horrible and they can send you there for so little.

>That's still a generality.
Only if you want to be extra anal about the definition. It's following the data available while leaving room for exceptions. Sounds like a rather reasonable way to approach things.

>Eeewwww he's dating a 18 year old adult he must be a pedophile omg
Which isn't too far off, just misuse of one word. The chance that he's dating an 18 year old due her big brain and experience making her an equal or even superior to other adults just isn't too high. And it's possible sure but come on.

I told my therapist last year that I was suicidal from 2009 through 2011, but that I hadn't felt that way ever since. She sent me to a psych ward 'just to be safe.' :/

>It's following the data available
What data? Where is this "people 18-25 are actually mostly all idiot children" data? Why isn't the legal age 27?

>Which isn't too far off, just misuse of one word.

It's a pretty god damn big "misuse of one word" to say that someone is a pedophile for dating another adult dude.

>The chance that he's dating an 18 year old due her big brain and experience making her an equal or even superior to other adults just isn't too high. And it's possible sure but come on.

Not too many people would date anyone for those reasons regardless of age like "oh I love love your experience" what does that even mean. People get physically attracted and then their personalities match or complement each other and they likely have more than a few things in common. You're overthinking the entire concept of why people even get together in the first place.

It's a well-accepted scientific fact that the brain finishes developing at right around 25. I wouldn't look down on anyone for being involved with an 18 year old, legal is legal, but mentally speaking I'd rather aim for 23 or older.

>the brain finishes developing at right around 25
and?

but also
>right around 25

No, it goes up to early 30s.

>mostly all idiot children
Who suggests that? Or even that children are idiotic.
>It's a pretty god damn big "misuse of one word" to say that someone is a pedophile for dating another adult dude.
Not really given how people understand how it's meant while probably having no clue where exactly pedophile ends. Language in daily life ain't 100% precise.
> their personalities match or complement each other and they likely have more than a few things in common
Which is were experience come in handy.

>and?

This can have repercussions in certain areas. For the most part, yes, 18 and 19 year olds are mentally mature, and in the short term you can have a perfectly good relationship with them. If I went back in time, I could have a perfectly smooth and stimulating conversation with my 19 year old self. The main downside is if you're wanting something long-term, since people of that age lack life experience and can change their mind on a whim if they made a decision that they turn out to regret (something which is more common when your total number of experiences and decisions made is smaller). I was engaged to a 19 year old once, and she wanted more than anything to marry me, until one day she didn't.

Most mental health (((professionals))) need to be gassed. The majority are reactive retards that throw drugs at the problem and then pat themselves on the back for doing such a great job.

I wouldn't be engaged to a 19 year old even if I was still 19.

>experience
>life experience
>number of experiences

what is this you keep referring to

If you can't think of what life experiences differentiate the average teen from the average adult, what would be the point listing the shit?

>mentally speaking I'd rather aim for 23 or older.

That is completely meaningless. There are tons of 23 year olds or 30 year olds or 40 year olds or whatever out there that mentally haven't moved a day past since they were like 10 or 12 years old.

They only care about shoes and make-up and sparkly diamonds and all that typical shit.

If I were to look down on anyone, it's not the guy who's dating an 18 year old girl who's got an open mind and questions the world and everything, it's the guy dating a grown ass adult woman with a fully devellopped brain that is still all OMG SHOES AND SELFIES HASHTAG STARBUCKS DISNEY PRINCESS

>college
>maybe moving out into their own place
>???

That's what I can think of, and I don't see how that relates to the topic at hand.

Relax, friend. I would never look down on anyone for dating an 18 year old. The one and only risk I see is that they're worst at long-term planning, and present a higher risk of changing their mind and leaving you at the altar.

I don't think that anyone here was wanting to marry an 18 year old either. not unless they've been dating them since they were like 15 or whatever which is definitely not cool. You gotta date someone for years before even thinking of marriage, something that isn't a concern with 18 year olds.

>You gotta date someone for years before even thinking of marriage

Nah, fuck that. Is the Deep South really the only place in the universe where people get engaged in a year or under? This overly cautious "date for at least five years before even CONSIDERING marriage" makes my fucking skin crawl.

>19? Aren't those, you know... adults?
Legally, yes. Developmentally, no. The developmental difference between an 18 year old and a 23 year old are pretty massive, despite the small age difference. Think of the difference between a 3 year old and an 8 year old. It may seem like not that long of a period but developmental growth in early stages is exponential. Studies have shown that teenagers and even early 20's adults have less developed senses of impulse control and critical thinking areas of the brain. Most scientists agree that the brain stops developing as late as the early 30's. Also, anecdotally, if you've ever spoken to a 19 year old you can see very clearly that they aren't adults.

Age of consent in most states is 16. don't brag about a difference in 2 years. Makes you look like an idiot

>There are tons of 23 year olds or 30 year olds or 40 year olds or whatever out there that mentally haven't moved a day past since they were like 10 or 12 years old.
What you're talking about is maturity, not development. Barring some kind of genetic disorder or developmental disability its actually physically impossible for someone's brain to not have developed since they were 12.

I think 17 is the most common age of consent in the States, with 16 being slightly more common than 18. 18 is basically the ultra conservative prude states.

>What you're talking about is maturity, not development
Yes, that is what I was talking about.

>more than a year
>overly cautious

Dude how well do you think you get to know someone by just dating for a year? And how much of that year is just casual once-a-week-go-to-the-movies dating?

>Legally, yes. Developmentally, no
Developmentally, yes. People are adults biologically speaking once they're old enough to reproduce.

>Dude how well do you think you get to know someone by just dating for a year?

Plenty. A year is a long fucking time, and I have fewer pet peeves worse than saying you need to be with someone 3, 4, or even more years to know if someone is right for you. Piss on that.

are you the guy who was engaged to a 18 year old but then she changed her mind later on?

Sexual maturity doesn't even equate to biological adulthood. Yes, 12 year olds can reproduce, but they're also 4'10, 98 pounds, have baby faces, and are intellectually and emotionally underdeveloped. Why is being able to sexually reproduce the end-all be-all when 12 year olds still have so much growth ahead of them, physically and biologically-speaking? Nature probably just allows human beings to reach sexual maturity ahead of all the other forms of maturity because it's so important to propagating our species.

Yes, but so what? Maybe it's a regional thing, but I live in Tennessee and anyone who goes "but can you really be sure they're right for you if you haven't been dating for 15 years????" is out of their fucking mind. Every single relationship in my family has reached the 'engagement' mark by the one year anniversary, and guess what, every last one of them is a healthy and loving marriage 8 to 46 years later. Isn't that just crazy? Most of the relationships I'm familiar with from outside the family reached the engagement milestone by the one year mark and marriage by two, and holy fucking shit, most of them turned out well also. Absolute fucking batshit insanity, I tell you what, we must live in the fucking Twilight Zone or something. It's almost as though... this is really crazy, so bear with me... it's ALMOST as though people don't need 30 years to gauge a person's character or your compatibility with them.

*and they would think anyone who goes

>Yes, that is what I was talking about.
How mature and leveled someone's personality is can be heavily dependent on upbringing. Development is a biological inevitability. Just because a 12 or 13 year old seems very mature does not mean that they are developmentally prepared to understand the consequences of having sex. As I said, someone being 30 years old but being immature is, barring any significant disorder, a personality defect, not a biological indicator. As I said previously, you're mistaking biological development with psychological.

Just women trying to control male sexuality

>women
>having a say in Burgerstan
You wut?

Welcome to postmodernism, where liking anything other than aged and well used roast beef is heresy.

A lot of the US is 16 or conditional 16. This isn't even prudishness, it is just really bad media trying to change our perceptions.

I'm so unbelievably attracted to 18 year old twinks that I wanna die.
Like dating younger men fucking blows, it really does, even older men half the time don't have even of a quarter of their shit together - but goddamn do I not just about die over them.

Damn that sucks user. Yeah psych wards basically make it impossible to talk about suicidal thoughts. Unfortunately most mental health professionals refuse to admit that.