How do I deal with the fact there simply aren't enough nice women out there for all of us since men are horndogs so...

Didn't we just have a thread similar to this? Just stop caring about women. Your happiness shouldn't be dependent on being in a relationship, or on others at all. You'll find it unfulfilling.

seething femcel

Incels have started flooding this board lately. Jow Forums is leaking.

But you can go insane from not having access to pussy which is proved by the incels attacking women.

This is what I do

But incels do have access to pussy, they just choose to not pursue it

I don't think that advocating rape is the right way, user.

>nice women
An oxymoron? user this is a fairytale. Women are not nice. We have never been nice by default. Ever.

People are nice by choice, and sometimes by circumstance. Kindness otoh, I could see you lamenting.

Who said anything about rape? Yes, incels are violent psychopaths but they have easy legal ways to get pussy. They just choose not to pursue them.

But prostitutes don't count, people want love.

Incels have the same plethora of options as those who don't identify as incels. You just proved the point, you incels do not want sex. Many of you are closeted homosexuals, that's why.

All of this.

>Don't settle for a miserable relationship just for the sake of being in a relationship
But especially this.

If you're obsessed about women, it's because you lack purpose in your life. You likely live a boring life, with a boring career and thus you want to find a woman to compensate for your lack of excitement in your life.

This is a mistake. Women should never be the primary goal in your life. Women should be a compliment. Your primary goal should always be on other shit like your career, your passion, your hobby's etc. You can only find a quality relationship if you're already happy being single. Being desperate for a girlfriend will cause you to eventually settle down with a low-quality girl you'll end up resenting later on.

**I was quoting this guy

>incel calling me an incel
Go back to Jow Forums and r/braincels. Come back once you've learned to respect women and be nice to them.

People don't want to have an orgasm, they want someone to want to give them an orgasm.

So you agree incels don't want sex or gfs?

No, I agree that some people have an incredibly hard time bonding with the opposite sex for reasons both within and outside of their control and that they're overwhelmingly male.

Who are those people and why do they have such a hard time? It's easier than ever to find sex or gfs. This doesn't make sense.

I don't think it is easy at all.
I have tried bars, college events, hobbies, online dating and nothing gives me any results with women.
Maybe I am not as good looking or didn't pick the right profession, I don't know.
If it was easy, why can't you explain how someone could get a girlfriend?

Apparently a significant number of young males. Probably easier to just assume they're all woman hating psychopaths than showing some empathy, though.

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Well it's easy for everyone else. You must be some special snowflake.

Post the graph showing the same trend with females willya? Or won't you because it would destroy your incel narrative?

>post the graph showing women have it considerably easier
bruh

Female sexlessness is on the rise and you know it. But you don't want to admit it because it would make you question your faith in incel beliefs.

>Female sexlessness is on the rise and you know it

oh nononono-

its because we try too hard and it shows. Not to mention peoples personal history with each others types of standards. You are 1 guy and you hope that you are the proper combination of what women want from all we heard from our moms. We just honestly dont know what women want and we cant grasp the concept of what "it" is in the first place. Not only that we grab blindly in the dark thinking its out there.
Early ages we were told being ourselves was embarrassing and to change our behaivor or face extreme punishment. So being ourselves in a casual way when we didnt get to as kids. Meh, everyones got problems though, the real thing is what I told you is why. not an excuse. I just remember what I wad told was wrong and i should be ashamed forever. So that is the issue, we fear rejection again.

naw its a locked out issue that many go through.

I'm a camgirl. I get money "just for being female" and over the years have dealt with dozens of regulars who are convinced they are in love with me and that I must be interested in them outside of $ despite doing absolutely nothing to make me attracted to them.

Why am I telling you this? Because it's basically my job to pretend to date men who absolutely suck at dating/relationships.

#1. None of them appreciate women or the effort it takes to produce the results they (men) expect. This isn't just a trait of Johns, it's a huge annoyance in regular dating as well. I could write a book by what I mean by this, but just know if your OP sums up your attitudes on women, it's probably not hard to pick up on.

#2. Not putting in 1/4 of the work women do. I had a guy send me a selfie with his chin so smooched he had like 5 chins and got horribly offended when I thought it was a joke. I would never make any money if my selfies looked like that. Him not showing any consideration but expecting me to call him hot is so fucking disrespectful. On a more domestic note, many many guys are horrible at "living well." They don't decorate or have hobbies outside of vidya. It's easy for women (who tend to care about that kind of thing) to feel like they are the only one building a relationship/home.

#3. Not engaging women on topics they want to discuss. I see this all the time in the real world, at friends' dinners, my parents, etc. I recently brought up a really controversial political opinion to a guy I was dating IRL and he acknowledged it but didn't actually say anything about it. We have talked about tons of uncomfortable stuff, and he claims to be crazy about my personality, but all he could do was say some generic compliment about my dress. "Thanks, you look like shit, so please talk to me for real."

(more coming.)

Here's a little truthpill. Hopefully you will use it as a revelation.

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bruh moment

#4. Women don't enjoy sex the same way men do. Even the most nympo-tastic women I have known were in it for validation, feeling attractive, feeling a need to do so to express love. IT might feel good, but that's not the main reason why, and we aren't as visual as you. 99% of the men I have fucked or skyped with were rterrible at sex, thought they knew my body better than me, etc etc. Women don't want sex the way you want sex. Period.

Idk man I'm drunk as shit.

get some hobbies and get that chip off your shoulder.

>posting bike cuck
Kys

Mhm, female incels alright. Not like having nearly double the rate of young celibacy means you’re just totally fucking wrong or anything.

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Female sexlessness is around 17% to male 28%

That's 10% more men not having sex than females, or 64% more.
This reminds me of the 1 IN 4 HOMELESS ARE WOMEN shit.

Truth angers the incel

I think you misunderstood.
locked out at early age, or scared away and hid behind a screen. Words dont hurt, there are things in this world words dont mean shit, its a grunt and you could be dead.

I have no idea what this means. Like "A moment, bruh?" Haha.

>get some hobbies and get that chip off your shoulder.
ok what you are saying is so unattractive no incel will never fall for you. omg.

it means allah is coming for you harlot!

Female sexlessness is up because the media keeps telling women how scary and horrible are men which makes it harder for women to connect with men

In fact all of this comes from the gender war that the media is forcing upon us all.

Don't really want incels to fall for me, unless they have a metric fuckton of neetbux. I don't want to date incels. I'm postin because I'm bored and these losers make my head hurt.

I get it though, it's unattractive to tell them the truth, lol.

Another annoying communication gap with men/customers: I can say almost anything I want to say, including attempted breakups or outright insults and 99% of the time they are too fucking gooned out on talking to a woman they don't notice. That is some unattractive shit.

Young men and women are having less sex because there are more options available than before. Instead of going out and socializing they stay home with vidya and social media.

Dude I talk to men ALL DAY and I gotta say, nobody is FORCING me to hate men. You pornsick fuckers are hate worthy all on your own

>I get it though, it's unattractive to tell them the truth, lol.
this is what incels have same problem with women too. You have so much in common.

Dude, you think my life led to me camming in my late 20's without me seeing a whole lotta truth? Other than desensitization through trauma and a fucked up perception of sex, you know why I cam? So I can afford to start my farm. Don't talk to me about truth until you've been surrounded by people on all sides of this (religious, irreligious, national socialist, ecocomies, weak metropolitan fucks, rural useful idiots, the whole shebang) and really lived in the real world.

Men and women are different. Male traits being seen as superior in a civilized world is a fucking mistake.

Have you prostituted yourself?

I'm not talking about hate but fear.

That too. Also the fact that men are failing and dropping out in droves doesn't help either.

Why do you people think sex work takes any real effort? Like the dollars those men give you to see your titties are probably more hard earned than you simply taking off your clothes with the body you got simply for being alive.

>But muh makeup and diet, I take care of myself
Like most fucking people, I am probably in a fitter shape than you and unless I do gay porn I'll never make any money out of it, and even if I did the money wouldn't be even close.
Sex work is frowned upon because it's the laziest, easiest work a woman can do.

Truth what you brought up was something incels didnt want hear, I gave you a truth and you didnt like it either.
I dont judge you on what you do, I dont know you at all, the fact is you actually opened my eyes to certain things. I took a moment to see what you do to prepair, and I agree sex isnt the same but its pleasurable still But I know its different.
Thing is I hope you open your mind to the possibility that these incels more than having a chip on their shoulder, and they need your help to move forward. You dont have to help everyone I mean help by understanding what issues they face.

>men are failing and dropping out in droves
Source?

Yessir. Just a handful of times. Small town, so I tried camming instead and make more in 3 hours just doing flashes than I made actually fucking a nasty dude so

Okay well I hate men? Like I've been afraid, of my crazy abuser and all manner of gender related shit but at this point like...it's just hate.
I do feel like men aren't naturally so fucking evil, and I do feel like there are forces in society that push men and women apart, which is really tragic. It's just not feminism or awareness of how likely I am to be murdered by a partner. More like porn and a media-addicted society that disproportionately affects men because yall can't develop in a balanced way for shit. Sourse: male vs female autism, etc. I think men tend to dominate in many spheres not just because of lagging female disadvantage, but because men are more likely to go HAM on their career or hobbies to the detriment of living well. meh.

>date someone
>maybe marry them
>but only because they’re settling for you
Gee whiz how fulfilling to be somebody’s last resort

not always the case, it was a moment in where there was love later after so many partners.

Are you the op from the "I am female. I do not want to be trans." thread? because you sound like her

Nope. I don't even know what that means. I like being a woman and I'm a nasty TERF.

Incels directly threaten the lives of women every day and people calling themselves incels have actually killed people. Why help them?
My best friend works with troubled young adults and seeing this shit irl is disturbing. I have no idea how to help them for real, and neither do the pros.
Incels aren't some noble Enkidu to be led to humanity by a prostitute. They ARE indicative of a wider problem I like to call "butthurt dudes"

Not even talking about makeup and diet man, although yeah, it's annoying to constantly have people think you can get on at the drop of a hat. I'm not saying I work hard. Camming was an easier way to make money on my own schedule while starting a business that will probably never be profitable because I grow fucking vegetables, lol.
The point was that these dudes put in even LESS effort, have no respect for the effort I DO put in. These are guys I've known for years who want to date me. Who want to arrange meet ups to cheat on their wives. Yet they don't have the basic respect to understand me as anything other than the camgirl they supposedly want me to stop being, nor do they have the attention span to engage with me beyond sexual for more than 5 fucking minutes.
Yes, my job and thus the bedrock of our relationships are sexual, but this is hardly limited to people who know I cam. I look like a dyke 99% of the time I'm off cam and it's still fucking like that. Gross.

>Incels directly threaten the lives of women every day and people calling themselves incels have actually killed people. Why help them?
>My best friend works with troubled young adults and seeing this shit irl is disturbing. I have no idea how to help them for real, and neither do the pros.
>Incels aren't some noble Enkidu to be led to humanity by a prostitute. They ARE indicative of a wider problem I like to call "butthurt dudes"
wait waaaht? Wait you mean face book posts about how they hate women? Many of that is just ranting but many are fake as well. Thing is right now if there is a part of your argument I dont agree with you think I am against you completely.
Thing is some of these incels are a mirrior image of you. you both do stuff to prove you are a available, but end up disappointing each other because of the mix up standards you both have because of fantasy expectations for eachother.

Okay let me give you a somewhat better response:

I see incels the same way I see all these autogynophile TRA's. The same way I see the Alex Jones set, the same way I see mainstream feminism, the same way I see SJW culture and the people who hate them.

We are at a strange cultural boiling point. Every generation thinks that, I know. Humanity faces many of the same problems over and over, I know. But shit is incredibly wild rn and people have access to the knowledge that it is. I don't know if all these pudding-brained fucks will perish in some disaster (probs not), or if blindbox youtube vids will raise a generation so mentally ill major infrastructure(not the r ight word, meh) issues lead to major restructuring of society, but...
I'm not any more worried about incels as a real lasting movement than I am about Alex Jone's dick pills making my father in law jacked.

you are a camgirl.Why should they care? You are there to fulfill their sexual needs nothing else. You've reduced yourself down to an object meant to satisfy their most base need and you're mad that they treat you like one.

I don't know if you are against me or not, I just know I don't have a lot of empathy for incels. I've been kicking around relevant parts of the internet since waaay before incels were getting organized. At the worst points of my life, I was deeply misogynistic as well. I believed the incels were right and other women were wrong. A lot has changed for me. 180 in so many areas, then slow growth in others.

I don't talk to enough "incels" anymore irl to care, regular men disappoint me enough. Reconciling with regular men is going to be an undertaking of decades, possibly centuries. I don't have time or energy to waste on what truly is an outlier population. There is overlap with groups I don't consider meaningless, but hardcore incels who are incels before all else really are pretty rare in the wild. At least in BFN where I'm at.

oh Ok, see I that shit, is just an insane racist.
incels are a mixed bag of conservative and liberal shut ins because of fear to go out side. They are, well pathedic, so it takes a lot just to go outside and try to socialize, and its like watching a kid pretending to read a book while the book is upside down. Then when bad experience comes back you hope to god they learned something other than running and hiding again.

Still, that sounds like an absolute disaster. Being with someone who has been hooking up with every attractive guy that has came their way thinking that they’ll be able to tie down these guys that are playing the game, only to give up and settle for someone who isn’t playing the game—but actually looking for a meaningful relationship.

I think if you’re a man looking for a real, serious relationship, the last thing you should be doing is trying to settle down with someone who was heavy into hookup culture and has been burned out by it. Clearly a case of two different kinds of people. You should not be happy with someone because they’re settling for you.

I see many cats in your future.

Try less empathy and just plain sympathy. They need a kind but firm understanding touch from you.
II am not on anyones side. I dont think you are wrong or right and the incels I know are wrong. Thing is your method of advice is very similar to what incels want from women.

Literally addressed that. I love my regulars who pay for skype or a private, we chat each other up, go to town, then log off until next time. Those are the people truly treating me as just a whore and I really don't mind. I JUST want their money. They JUST want some titty.

I'm talking about the people who blow my phone up endlessly to tell me they think we have a "real connection" when I barely know anything about them. I"m talking about dudes who mistake my open and chatty nature for opening up to them and them alone. I'm talking about guys who offer plane tickets with no expectation of sex. Married guys. Guys who pay me but don't even set up skype appointments, they just text me all the fucking time about how much they wish I was there to hug and it's fucking sad. I love when those guys let me talk to them about their marriages and when I can help them communicate with their wives. Because them having an imaginary relationship with me that makes no sense (becuase they don't open up so I don't know them, or because I have barely spoken to them) is annoying and pathetic. It's supere sad, but if they don't want help it just becomes annoying as shit.

Give me a horndog who knows the difference between his boner and actual love any day man. Wham bam thank y9ou ma'am gets me done and paid faster for less effort.

>Still, that sounds like an absolute disaster. Being with someone who has been hooking up with every attractive guy that has came their way thinking that they’ll be able to tie down these guys that are playing the game, only to give up and settle for someone who isn’t playing the game—but actually looking for a meaningful relationship.
first off why do you think she leaves those past lovers? She doesnt find them attractive any more. If she had the best already she would have stuck with that in the first place.

>Give me a horndog who knows the difference between his boner and actual love any day man. Wham bam thank y9ou ma'am gets me done and paid faster for less effort.
thats a businesswoman right there! I tell you what.

Yes, a very liberated woman.

The gender war isn't the fault of feminism or anything but the fault of the media because if regular people are busy fighting each other over gender/race it means they aren't looking at how the elites fuck us in the ass

Because they don't give a fuck, they just look at you as something they pay and gets naked. Like I respect camwhoring as a way to make money but this shit that it takes effort is stupid.

Married, two dogs one cat. thx

I've tried going on subreddits, talking to dudes here, joining relevant irc, and they don't want to listen. Didn't mater if I presented myself as a stacey, a normal chick, a nerd, a slut, w/e. They aren't gonna listen. My customers are not usually of the incel mindset, and I'm married. We used to date around, but I guess I'm getting too old for it to be fun!
A lot of our friends are massively maladjusted nerds but they mostly have taken an AGP route or a wholesome loser route.

I get it. I take my clothes off for money, I resent men, etc etc. It's exactly what incels want to hear to confirm how awful women are. But if they can't see how men built a society that led to this (women being dependant on men for resources, men wanting sex/reproductive control in exchange) then they are much stupider than they have led themselves to believe. We live in a weird time where my parenthesis statement there is still a serious influcence on society, yet women are also stomping men on graduation rates etc. Men creating that world doesn't mean their sons deserve to suffer for it, but if I have learned anything in working with people and getting involved with youth/young adult mental health, it really is that people almost NEVER admit that they could have a hand in causing their problems. Which means they don't see that they can solve them,either.
I don't give up on everybody, but why not give up on incels? There are alcoholics, emotionally disturbed youths, etc. I can actually help.

its so weird now that people literally have to pay for affection.

Maybe “settling” and using the phrase “when she has run out of options” wasn’t the right wording than. It sounds like now you’re just talking about women who have previous relationships that fell through, whereas before the OP and your reply seemed to be about women who are just into hooking up, but then settle for a man they would have had no interest in before, but now have “interest” only because they want someone with job security, and someone they can get “emotional support” from.

Eh, when you have been raised to attach your self-worth to your level of attractiveness, it can be a lil draining. Also acting the way men want is...wow it's depressing.

but again, I've said multiple times I started camming specifically because it was easier for me than a 9-5 because I wanted to farm and try to make a living of that. I never will, and it IS ironic and very sad that camming pays more than busting my ass all day to grow food.

People have always paid for sex, and this passes for it in a digital age. A lot of my emotionally clingly customers have huge issues in their relationships they refuse to address, and since I'm hired and not a normal friend or gf, they don't want to hear advice.

They pay for a woman to behave the way they wished "real women" behaved.

But the basic concept isn't new, there is no "now" about it.

>I get it. I take my clothes off for money, I resent men, etc etc. It's exactly what incels want to hear to confirm how awful women are.
not that it means anything, but I dont, I just want genuine kindness and I know you cant turn it on and off so all I ask is a little acknowledgement to what I am goin through. But I can see why its too much too.
Incels know they are also the cause of their problems. Its not actually involuntary its just frustration on not know what to do.

Yeah the sense of home partly comes from saftey and security. Its a love too, for a family.

The answer is right there for incels and many try to tell them how to leave inceldom but they refuse to listen.

One word. YMCA

seems you are on the extreme a lot, dont you pay for time to be talked to aswell? Like no sex but they buy your time just to talk to you about stuff?

Its hard to come to terms sometimes. I pity them.

I mean that's why some people take pay cuts to have more fulfilling jobs.
You either have your cake or eat it. Take the high paying, easy job or the hard one that makes you feel better.

And what would that answer be?

Frankly if you know it's possible to get out, you aren't at all like other incels. Generally for me to consider someone a serious incel, they have to be in total denial that it is their fault, 100% blaming society etc.

Yeah. It's definitely to me much harder money.. I like to chat and all, but most of the guys who want to talk end up spouting lame lines as a nervous habit while I do the conversing. Then, despite me showing no interest in their lines, expect them saying "I wanna fuck you" to be a big turn on. THEN they usually decide we have a "real connection" even though I'm the one to talked about a niche interest for 40 minutes while they made winky emojis. Usually everytime I say "I like you too!" or "Omg can't wait for next skype!" they need me to confirm my feelings 3 times before their weird insecurity settles and they can feel confident their sexual attraction to me somehow constitutes a relationship.

I initially started doing more monthly payment stuff and texting for femdom/chastity clients, but there's fewer of those guys than there are 30-somethings who can't communicate.

In lives I rarely do hardcore type stuff, but for privates/skype usually I am relieved if someone is into monster dildos instead of...weird insecure flirting.

I've had two of the insecure flirters introduce me to their wives re:relationship issues and I am super close to one of those couples and have visited them.

But if these dudes were awesome conversationalists they wouldn't have to pay me to talk to them.

that there really isnt anything wrong with you, you are unique yes, but yoy go through similar situations as everyone else. You been there done that and you try harder thinking you arent doing enough for your efforts.
Thing is they see you, and its pushing them away further, so stop trying so hard because of one major failure, everyone has their shit too, lets not add anymore shit.

I have no idea what you're on about, I'm doing BOTH (because I literally can't live on my veggie sales, even if I process them into hipster foods), and going back to school. Like...I'm not complaining about camming vs. retail or some other shitty job. At all. Like I'm complaining about the general behavior of men on those sites and how I see it reflected in men "in the wild." I encountered a lot of the same problems when I was dating, but I could just break it off. Now I can't, so I am exposed to so much more of it that men's relationship issues seem to fall into a small set of stupid categories 99% of which basically boil down to "get hobbies, chill, use your brain a lil, understand there is more to life than whatever you're probably doing rn."

Literally some hobbies and willingness to cooperate in building a home are huge.
Bad sex is also a huge problem in marriages.
It's the same shit.
It's the same shit on here.

That you need to look inward and look at yourself objectively.

thing is they are desperately looking for someone to connect with, and you make them feel validated it gets too hard to not blur the lines as someone being paid to say nice things from someone saying the right things. if you get me

Looking inward at me so much is what got me in the first place here. I wish I could be more social.
And looking at myself objectively I am a fucking dumpster fire of a person.

she is trying to communicate in any way she knows how, and it seems lost on you for a second and I think I know why. Thing is you literally did what they suggested but you did it in a way that it was analytical. You looked at it as physical flaws andaz physical things to represent your worth. She means you need to be that self that doesn't worry about that. And not just get sloppy either more like you are stable in your mind and like who you are. To do so you need to start forgiving yourself and move on from your past.

My biggest culprit of this is really a guy I wouldn't mind having a closer relationship with. I see his pain, and I want to help. I can be pretty honest with him, and I'm more honest than I should be with most of them. But I know he still won't let me help him.

Sad as it is, it's still insane to me when men older than me by 5-20 years can't evaluate a relationship with any objectivity at all. It's pretty obvious to me when someone is being polite-but-not-interested, or when my infatuation for them vastly outstrips their affection for me.
The fact that it is not obvious to them is heartbreaking, but there is definitely an annoyance factor. Like when you catch the same dude sneaking mouthwash into rehab over and over.

I am shocked that you look at men with a negative outlook after spending so much of your life treating with the bottom of the barrel desperate men they feel they need to spend money to get a sexual response from a woman, and I consider it very fair that you now judge all men with this lens and casually wave away any legitimate grievances they might after.

After all we all know all men are lazy and every single issue in a relationship comes from them. Those little perfect angels they are women would never do something bad.