Alternatives to democracy

A Republic.

There is only one valid alternative.

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This.

No other form of government is right.

The fact that the anime woman is pouring bottled water on herself while at the pool really triggers me. If she wanted to get wet to look sexy, why not use pool water? Fucking Japs wasting drinking water

Or is it 'flee to iron farm, rule with corn fist'?

Two nukes to the face does that to you.

Absolute Monarchism

This

t. Californian in Ontario

shut the fuck up and post more hotaru, faggot

HOTauru

Monarchy and Dictatorship desu.

One was the dominant system for the majority of the world for the majority of history and the other is the same thing but without most of the drawbacks.

Constitutional elective executive monarchy with mechanisms for removal/replacement when deemed necessary by electorate
Non-elected meritocratic civil service
Elected chamber of independent representatives - no parties
Direct democracy and referendum on all major issues and general policy direction

We would not have the leftist faggots if we lived under a righteous Monarch. Just look at where democracy and satanic practices brought us.

And none of them is true.

You need better history lesson.
Democracy used to be good because no democratic country really allows everyone to vote; in order to vote citizen always need to be qualified such as being a grown man, owning enough land or paying enough tax. Today democracy become s a joke for they allowing almost anyone to vote, now they even want criminals in prison to vote, these fucking nonsenses kill democracy.

We don't need so called better way, we just need to correct these bullshits and bring back the traditional democracy.

Absolute dictatorship is the only sane form of government.

The only real choice...

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Any form of governement is susceptible to subversion. Thats why we need a culture of logic and reason for the masses, strict laws against corruption, givers and receivers, and force people to fight for their rights instead of being lazy fucks, because nature is economic, and if people dont feel the need they l ldo nothing. But education, culture, ideas and collective consciousness is more important than the form of governement as no system is infaillible because of the faillible people that constitute it.

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To clarify yore referring to representative democracy which equates to rule by money/media oligarchy and fails to implement the people's will
Let us institute direct democracy with an executive elective monarch/overseer
In such circumstances immigration would never be permitted at these levels - not in the past and not now. 70% of electorate in all western countries want immigration massively reduced

The only true form of government is m o n a r c h y

My lord and savior Jesus Christ is a monarchist, so I 1000% agree.

Balkanize the US into Small ethnostates that are strictly national socialist.

Constitutional Monarchy.

>Allowing Democracy or class equality in any capacity
Absolutely plebeian

I always wondered what this place would look like if the public went natsoc
This thread has not disappointed me
I might have to leave you soon guys, thanks for the indoctrination

Anons would you rather have a Monarchy like modern day Britain - all ceremony, no actual power. Faggot peasants destroy themselves with degeneracy and invaders while the monarchy has no say what so ever or Saudi Absolute Monarchy - faggot degenerates get beheaded, subversive elements get beheaded, thots get stoned. Law and order patrols keep things in line
Face ie boys, the west would improve with a Saudi style absolute monarchy

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but muh equality...

correct

Anything else. Only democracy is allowed. So sayeth the gospel of democracy. Even though most other forms are better. In fact, because they are.

Christendom.

AI algorithm based survival society - if you don't achieve a certain lowest level of fitness and intellect before the age of 20 and managing a certain level till age 45, also the AI will monitor any defective babies, maintain surveillance on problematic tendencies of the present such as feminism, trannies, NEETs during their lifetime.
If AI detects any such problems that hamper human evolution, they get fucking killed and used as manure for the environment.

Posting on anonymous imageboards, duh

Heres a brand spanking new tor/pol/ i found yesterday
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Ethnic monarchy, we are too advanced to use that primitive political marriage garbage so we can finally have kingdoms where only our people control us.

Just add Jow Forums behind the link senpai

Anything democratic is Media Rule.
Anything that goes against the (((Media))) is politically incorrect.

When everything falls apart, there will be men that make settlements and towns from the wreckage. These men will have children, and there you have your royal bloodline.

absolute monarchy

Only because the media calls it that. We used to be for capital punishment before the celebrities cried about how all life was sacred while simultaneously killing their unborn children.

Mencíus moldbug is someone you should read.

>bring back the traditional democracy.
This, you don’t stop eating bread because one loaf goes mouldy

Voting is a waste of time, restrict it how much you wish you are just giving the sociopathic kikes who fund their puppets aka the representatives more media brainwashing to do on you.

Except the mold is there the whole time, it just takes longer to see it while the bread is also offering you circuses.

This

Nationalist totalitarian dictatorship

Also this. His monarchy model as I understand it is styled as a corporation. Interesting reads if nothing else

It's ramune she's pouring you dumb asses, Hotaru's main thing is how she loves Japanese snacks more than you

christian rule by estates

Monarchy/Divine Right of Kingship

Ramune bottles look nothing like that you fucking weeb. Also, if that was pop, her boobs would just get all sticky and attract bugs. You made it worse dumbass

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no government lasts. they exist in a cycle of phases of power acquisition and decay. This process is inevitable. The only stabilizing force is the open threat of revolution as the founders claimed

Zoom in on the bottle retard, does water come in bottles that look like that?

Also Hotaru doesn't give a fucksbout bugs she's sticky all the time

Rather not honestly. Democracy is shitty but there's no alternate that isn't as shitty.
Something like 19th or early 20th century America would be ideal.

Monarchism or Dictatorship is generally shit.

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>Democracy is shitty but there's no alternate that isn't as shitty.
You know who fed you that mindless propaganda? Politicians. They don't want you to think about other options.

First of all, eat some fucking carrots nigger, cause your eyesight is far from 20/20. They don't even look like the same bottle. Not only that, but ramune bottles have a unique cap blocked off with a marble. Nothing like that in the pic. Apologize for being wrong and just admit your anime girlfriend is trash.

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JUST LIMIT DEMOCRACY TO NON-JEWISH WHITE MALES YOU SICK FUCKS
jesus christ

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>your anime girlfriend is trash.
We all know that Saya is best girl from Daga Shikashi

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She’s pouring Ramune nigger. I work with ramune and hate weeb faggots can confirm.

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This is coming from someone who hates politicians. I've considered other options and there aren't any decent ones. Totalitarianism of any form is bad, even an Enlightened Dictatorship that protects the rights of the people will likely just devolve into totalitarianism

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You're both wrong. Hotaru is best, and so is monarchy. That way what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You always have to plan for the worst and utilise human psychology when dealing with humans.

Shit taste in both ideologies and anime.
Even shitty Representative parliamentary democracy is still better than being stuck with a retard like Nicholas II who gets into disastrous wars and plunges the country into civil war.

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AI dictatorship or whatever
just post more Hotarus

>I work with ramune
Yeah, and my uncle works at Nintendo. Lying to hide your mistakes is just pathetic.

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>politician lapdog can only bring up one mediocre king as example of why no other option is allowed
Nicky 2 had the same problems Louis 16 did, in inheriting a powder keg about to blow, and having no support to deal with it.
They're both examples of why monarchy is good, but you have to let it be a monarchy.

>prefering a flat coffee over curvy candy
found the basedboy

pic related is the only rational system

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They not only look like the same bottle, you can clearly see a blue marble in the OP pic.

If one mediocre king is all it takes to completely dissolve your country because he wants to LARP as an autocrat and get into pointless wars then maybe monarchism isn't such a good ideology.
I can point you to numerous examples of other bad kings if you'd like, though.

>Nicky 2 had the same problems Louis 16 did, in inheriting a powder keg about to blow
That's not true at all though, he inherited a remarkably stable king under Alexander III who had effectively crushed all form of opposition like the Populists or the Socialists. There was general liberal opposition but the main reason why Nicholas II's nation collapsed was because he decided to get into pointless foreign wars and lose them, like the Russo-Japanese War and WW1.

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>stable king
*stable position

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All forms of government are susceptible to subversion.
Trying to eliminate it completely requires isolation or totalitarian control, both of which come at enormous cost in innovation and adaptation.

Restricting voting to people who are less susceptible to media manipulation obviously makes your government less susceptible to it.
The problem is that the more-susceptible people are still there and are now easier to manipulate against you, since they resent you for taking away their vote.
So you have to isolate or control them, which leads to problems as above.

It doesn't matter, the elitist structures that genuinely improve upon mass democracy are unworkable now, because the people have gotten used to the idea of having a vote.
I don't see how you could convince them to give it up.

It's endemic to lesser people.

Ah yes, whereas democratic governments have never once EVER gotten into a pointless war, right?
>I can point you to numerous examples of other bad kings if you'd like
No doubt. Hell, I bet you could name every single one. And still not even register as a full percentage point as regards the total number of monarchs, since only the bad ones really get remembered.
It's like everyone knows Nixon, but even most Americans won't know Coolidge.
> he inherited a remarkably stable king under Alexander III
Sod off, people were chafing under him and his predecessors in just the right ways. And by people, i really mean firebrands in the cities who wanted more power, and were able to sway political action. The nation was lost well before the R-J War, and even before Nicky put on the crown. It would have taken a lot stronger will to hold it than he was unfortunately gifted with.

>I don't see how you could convince them to give it up.
It wouldn't be a matter of convincing. The bee doesn't need to know the honey is good for it. It just has to go collect the pollen.

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Anarcho mutualism or Czarism.

This. Human neurological characteristics are not heritable enough.
Monarchy, like any caste system, is founded on a misunderstanding.

>It wouldn't be a matter of convincing. The bee doesn't need to know the honey is good for it. It just has to go collect the pollen.
That only works with extremely submissive people (ie Asians), and even then I have my doubts whether the Chinese can keep up totalitarian control once the extreme-growth industrialization phase ends.

And as a practical matter in the West, you have to convince them.
The wealthy will oppose anything that reduces their power, so you have to get the masses to support a change in government.

>And as a practical matter in the West, you have to convince them.
Why? Didn't have to convince anyone for democracy. As always, the strongest warband says what goes. Remember, most colonials didn't support the American Rebellion, but they had it anyway.
> so you have to get the masses to support a change in government.
Now you're talking.

Forgot,
>Human neurological characteristics are not heritable enough.
They are enough. And with modern medical knowledge, we can ensure it further. As well as providing the known heir with the best tutelage for their role possible.

Individualism

Based poo. Use pieces of shit as fertilizer.

constitutional republic

>Ah yes, whereas democratic governments have never once EVER gotten into a pointless war, right
I never said that. Democracies absolutely do get into pointless wars, it's just that it's usually not for the purpose of satisfying one man's ego.
>since only the bad ones really get remembered.
I'd put it down to the fact that monarchism has been the primary form of government, rather than simplistic "only bad monarchs are remembered"
>It would have taken a lot stronger will to hold it than he was unfortunately gifted with.
Not really. Russia WAS a hotbed of revolutionary activity but that was mostly dealt with by the time of Alexander II and III. After the assassination of Alexander II the Narodniks were pretty much destroyed by Alexander III. The assassination of Alex II was pretty much their only notable achievement as well, because the peasant population were so loyal to the Tsar. The largest opposition that Nicholas II faced when he got into power was backlash from the famine in the early 1890s, the 1905 revolution and the February Revolution were all his own making because of his sheer incompetence as a leader.

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>it's just that it's usually not for the purpose of satisfying one man's ego
You're right, it's normally several egos. At the expense of the nation. And those egos aren't held responsible, since the worst thing which can happen is that they're voted out.
>I'd put it down to the fact that monarchism has been the primary form of government
But that still doesn't sway the statistics in your favour. Quite the contrary.
>mostly dealt with
Maybe we're just reading different history books, but it really doesn't seem that way. Alex 3 just kinda amped them up more underground. It wasn't the kind of revolution which just randomly happens because of a few snafus.

>since the worst thing which can happen is that they're voted out
I one hundred percent agree, but the major difference is that the wars pursued by democratic governments usually aren't as wholly destructive as the ones by Monarchist governments.

Compare the Iraq War to the Russo-Japanese War or Henry VIII romps through France. Tony Blair and George Bush should be tried for war crimes I agree, but at least we're able to vote these incompetents out of power and get someone who potentially isn't as brain-dead in power.

>But that still doesn't sway the statistics in your favour. Quite the contrary.
I'd say the majority of monarchs through out history were average to bad, the main problem with this is that monarchism only works when you have a Napoleon or a Marcus Aurelius, which most of the time you don't. I'd rather take the risk with a corrupt democracy under a shit leader rather than an incompetent monarchy under a shit leader.

>Alex 3 just kinda amped them up more underground
Alex II forced them underground in the first place at the end of his reign after rolling back some of his reforms, it's just that Alex III was a die-hard conservative who believed in autocracy and cracked down on the rebels. The Narodnik movement essentially ceased to exist during this time and pretty much abandoned their ideals in favour of traditional Marxist revolutionaries.
>It wasn't the kind of revolution which just randomly happens because of a few snafus
Boiling down the R-J War into a snafu is kind of simplifying the situation. Nicholas II entered into a deadly war to which he was woefully unprepared for and got destroyed by an emerging backwards Asian power. The peasantry that were suffering from the horrific economic conditions attempted to present a petition to him and were shot at and killed, causing the 1905 revolution. All of this could have been avoided if he hadn't overestimated Russia's power. He basically does all of this again in 1914, causing his death.

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>the wars pursued by democratic governments usually aren't as wholly destructive as the ones by Monarchist governments
World Wars aren't as destructive?
And Athens was humiliated in the Peloponesian Wars thanks to a democratic government.
>but at least we're able to vote these incompetents out of power
Exactly. Zero consequence. And nothing happens to their financiers. Just the faces of the party.
>and get someone who potentially isn't as brain-dead in power.
Well no, you get to allegedly pick from whomever is given to you. By the same financiers. From the one or two parties they fund (even here in Aus, where minor parties can make major gains, they're controlled by international money, as we've seen from One Nation).
>I'd say the majority of monarchs through out history were average to bad
Based on what? Most were average, sure. But what did the bad ones do? Can't have been too bad, since the list of really bad monarchs is quite short.
>monarchism only works when you have a Napoleon or a Marcus Aurelius
Bro, those are two vastly different styles of good. And it's like saying democracy only works when you have an Obama or Thatcher. You're ignoring that no system should have to rely on the exemplars of the system. Monarchy works best when the monarch has to do very little. If you need a Napoleon or Marcus Aurelius to keep it going, then it has started to fail.
On the spectrum, monarchy is a libertarian style government (or at least, works best as one). The monarch should have to do very little, and is largely there as a failsafe while the people manage their own lives.
>Boiling down the R-J War into a snafu is kind of simplifying the situation
Absolutely. But i really just wasn't wanting to get bogged down in a discussion on Nicholas II. Sorry.

Better voting system. FPTP is cancer. Use something like STV and give the public a few voting cycles to realise that "tactical voting" and "two party system" are not in fact necessary consequences of democratic systems.

Republicanism works. With 1,2 & 10th Amendments. 4&5 okay too. National Socialism and Fascism are just reactions to sick society. Both should resolve after triage to Republic style governance.

>Kike marries their way into monarchy and destroys nation from within

Sorry but we need a completely unsubvertable ideology.

elected parliament with a monarch with veto power and a heavily armed militia