Women-and-sex thread

You ask her out on a date like the other 90% males do, you dumb piece of shit.
You can't skip this step unless you're rich or good looking.
1. be normal and dress good
2. make her laugh
3. invite her out on a date
4. break touch barrier
5. get sex

That has a name in French, fyi. L'esprit de l'escalier - wit that comes after you're on the staircase walking away from the place where you actually needed it.

>ask her out on a date
Even if I'm only interested in her at the sexual level, and not in terms of starting a relationship?

Also,
>1. be normal and dress good
Define ‘normal’.
>4. break touch barrier
That's a problem alright. It's not like I can nonchalantly touch her without an actual reason.

Oh, yeah. I forgot that was a thing.

That is a creepy as fuck line unless you're already well into sleeping together

Dude how do you think sex works? You don't just bang strangers based on mutual attraction. If you want to do that go to a club and find a really drunk girl.

All friends with benefits start by dating, even if it's not "dating" they still fucking KNOW each other, will have seen each other socially for coffees or drinks to begin with. You're a guy, any interest will be taken as sexual interest. Just own it and remember to be kind to girls.

Breakfast is not creepy. Please practice trolling on .

>friends with benefits
That's another problem. I very rarely am genuinely interested in people, in general, so it's very likely that there wouldn't be much to the "friends" side of the matter, and I'm not sure if that affects my chances.

>even if it's not "dating" they still fucking KNOW each other
That's cool. What I had in mind was not directed towards women I don't know anyway.

>You're a guy, any interest will be taken as sexual interest
Yeah. I'm currently fighting against my massive guilt towards sexuality, so the idea of exposing myself can be tough.

>own it
I'm sorry, English is not my first language: what exactly do you mean?

Presuming a friend is staying for breakfast, and using that as your FIRST indication you are attracted to her, is extremely creepy.

>I'm currently fighting against my massive guilt towards sexuality

Make your intentions more honorable and you will have less guilt. Stop watching porn, it makes your intentions dirtier and thus makes you guiltier for chasing women (because you are fantasising about using and degrading them, not about loving them.)

From the way you are talking about friendships and people I would say you'd be better off paying for sex. Wanting pure physicality and nothing more basically means you want a whore anyway. Because no good woman gives up her holes for no commitment in return.

You really need more practice. I know it's summer but this is like babby's first bait.

Or you could be wrong

>Because no good woman gives up her holes for no commitment in return.
>Implying NSA sex is something good women never wish for

>thinking a woman who wants no strings attached sex isn't fucked up by definition

Lrn2 evolution

Nah. You're full of shit.

Concession accepted.

>Spouts absolute bullshit
>Pretends he's right
That's Jow Forums for ya.

Idiot, why would women want no strings attached sex? They are literally the species sexual selectors and all their instincts tell them to seek emotional support and commitment.

Any woman who wants no strings attached sex is fucked up by definition. Like a man who wants to give money to a woman for literally nothing.

>their instincts tell them to seek emotional support and commitment
Man's instinct makes him want to spread his genes as much as possible, but you don't see every sexual act ending in an insemination, do you?

It simulates it.

Casual sex does not simulate commitment and resource providing. The woman is giving her body away for literally nothing, she could just masturbate endlessly and use toys.

>indian men
>not creepy
lolwut

ouch

One of my most beloved exes are coming over on Monday and she wants me "to punish her for being a bad girl" and I have no idea how, I've thought about it for days and I am stuck.

I've only fingered her rough and slapped her ass, any suggestions/help with this? I am completely amateur on this rough play field.

You're saying you want to have sex with her then dump her? A one night stand?

Unless women are specifically looking for that kind of thing it's usually not something they want to hear. If they're willing to be with you it's to be in a relationship with you. They want more than sex.

i like how different languages have words or expressions for specific feels that aren't even restricted to that specific culture where the language came from

Women don't want to fuck you. Don't approach some woman that's in your life just to fuck. Even if you think you're better looking than her. It is creepy to them.
Also keep in mind you're one of the hundreds if not thousands of guys that have come on to them sexually in their lifetime.
You need to find a girl that wants to fuck. Go on tinder or whatever is equivalent or go to a bar.

From a femanon... it’s hopeless dude. Girls show absolutely NO interest in guys they like, even if they’re straight up in love with them. Usually you just gotta let the girl make the first move, or, you flirt with her and see where it goes.

>women hate sex

You forget the very important
>With you

Go host a poll with two questions
>Are you a boy or a girl?
>Do you hate sex?

And I guarantee you'll find the majority on both sides like it.

I hate sexual innuendos

kek, thank you user

Make a subtle sexual joke or innuendo early on to get her thinking about that stuff then ease into it. Don’t even worry about being creepy. You’re not creepy.

Just ask her how she wants to be punished

creeps do this shit and women complain about it all of the time

Well first of all don't listen to the people here. We're about as smooth as a Lego brick with studs.

>Women don't want to fuck you
As in, they don't want to fuck me specifically?

>don't listen to the people here
Does that mean I shouldn't listen to you as well?
Jokes aside, it's pretty hard to filter the garbage out when you know very little to nothing about the subject.

No, not you specifically. They don't have your sex drive and aren't driven to fuck based on physical attractiveness.

If she's interested, you'll know. All you have to do is show her you are superior to her and an interesting person. Invite her out to do something with you, rinse and repeat , escalate by touching her and increasing the intensity of it. By the third date you should have closed to the kiss. Then you can take things further.

>This place is full of incels and fags
>You don't just start off by getting sexual with random women unless you want to look like a desperate virgin

>If she's interested, you'll know
I'm kinda dense.
I recently realized how I've lost several chances with women because I was too immature to pick up on the signs. Actually, most times I was only THINKING they might've been attracted to me, but had no balls to try and do anything without further confirmation.
Result: regrets, regrets, regrets

Women love sex, they just don't like feeling like a slut.
If you can be sexual with women without making them feel slutty, you can have more sex than ancient kings and emperors not even joking.

>be sexual with women without making them feel slutty
I suppose doing this goes beyond just not calling them ‘sluts’ during sex, huh?

That comes later when they get to

Get to what?

In bed, this rule doesn't apply anymore.

It's about getting there.
If a girl would feel slutty or judged by going home with you, she wont.
Simple as that. That is a BIG part of game.
Women don't communicate as overtly as men, the art of seducing them is very subtle and covert.

If you are having sex with her already, she might ENJOY feeling like a slut. That is a completely separate issue almost.

>If a girl would feel slutty or judged by going home with you, she wont.
I mean, what can you do in that regard, except from being (or at least appearing to be) non-judgemental towards a woman's sexuality?

Errata corrige:
>except from being
*except for being

>you can have more sex than ancient kings and emperors not even joking.
Oh that reminds me, OP; use pickup lines as much as you can:
>"Hey baby, wanna do some roleplay? I'll be Genghis Khan, you be every vulnerable woman in Northern China."

>"I'll be Genghis Khan, you be every vulnerable woman in Northern China".

lol'd and kek'd

>If she is with friends, she absolutely can't look like a slut in front of them.
>Even if she wants to have sex with you, and plans to, she can't be too "easy" so she will throw in some token resistance (don't confuse this with actual resistance lol)
>SUBTLETY is key, don't just say "I wanna bang you", communicate covertly, don't ask questions, the answer to which would make her feel slutty if answered affirmatively
Off the top of my head. This is tough to explain and better demonstrated I think. If you learn about game and interacting with women, this insight will come naturally as you understand women better.
>Errata corrige
don't say shit like this. If I had a pussy, it would be as dry as my moms baked chicken right now.

Tell her you're really into her.

>>If she is with friends, she absolutely can't look like a slut in front of them.
This is not something I can control, I think.
>>Even if she wants to have sex with you, and plans to, she can't be too "easy" so she will throw in some token resistance (don't confuse this with actual resistance lol)
That's a bit hard. My low self-esteem usually makes me immediately think she's not interested.
>learn about game and interacting with women
And I suppose that can only come through experience, am I right?
>don't say shit like this.
I don't usually say it.

>And I suppose that can only come through experience, am I right?
Yes. You can learn a lot by reading, watching vids and shit.
But only action can actually teach you how it's applied.

So it's just "Keep on sucking at it until you hopefully start understanding something about it".

Cum

Yeah pretty much. Although just throwing yourself against a wall is maybe not the best method.
Honestly, I learned more about women within the last year than all of my previous life combined.
Because I started actually paying attention after understanding what I am even looking for.
Read:
>The rational male - rollo tomassi
>Models - Mark Manson
I don't 100% agree with either of them, but the overlap between them is a preeeetty close approximation of what women are all about.
Just don't go full MGTOW after reading the rational male lol take it all with a grain of salt.

That being said, as previously stated, only going out there and taking action will actually teach you. Good to have a primer for this shit though, ideally an actual mentor, but those books and youtube will do the trick.

Sometimes feels like I will never get how relationships work.

And we're mainly talking about making your sexual interest known here. I'd say relationships are a whole other matter.

These days, more often than not, you go from sex to relationship instead of the other way round.

I might be simply making a wrong assumption, but I don't really see an issue with it.

I'm just saying, getting into a relationship can often mean getting laid first.
Obviously sexual attraction is a big part within the relationship itself.

>sexual attraction is a big part within the relationship itself
I would even say it's the most important part.
A relationship without sexual attraction is just a friendship in my eyes, even if it is a very good one.

Creepy is in the impression. Get to know her, be comfortable, have her be comfortable with you.
The main difference between creepy and flirty is her impression of you. Shell be a lot more open if she's interested in you. If she isn't, she'll tell you. And if she already thinks you're an alright guy she won't be creeped out unless you keep pushing if she lets you down.

>be comfortable
That's the hard part, honestly. I tend to put women on a pedestal, so I'm nervous around them, especially if I find them attractive.

Yup, I feel you. I used to be this way. There's no easy magic way to get better honestly. Just experience and social exposure. Try to forget about women as sexual or romantic goals. Aim to be friends with them.
Friendzone is kind of memey. A lot of relationships, one night to long term start with friendships where mutual attraction is involved.
Just chill man. They're just people.

>They're just people
Welp, I'm shit at being around people in general, too. Might have to work on that first.
Usually I have little interest in other people's lives, so it's rare for me to want to develop any actual bond with them.

It doesn't matter who you are. That's universally true. It's hard to be interested in someone you don't have much in common with. But there are groups of people like you, and you should be seeking them out. It's easy to be confident when you have a group that accepts you.

>who you are
That's another thing: I have no idea.
My life experience is definitely more limited than the majority of my peers, so I haven't really given myself a chance to find out what I like to do. Insecurity will do that.
Not really knowing what I'm about, I can't really seek out "people like myself".

It's not as complicated as you may be making it.. you like something. Games, books, movies, something.
Go find groups who do those things. Meetup is a great website for that. Even just look at shit you could do. Archery, sports, whatever. If it appeals to you, don't be scared and just go do it.

As far as "who you are" goes in the broader philosophical finding yourself sense, forget it. It's completely useless.
Everyone you ever meet will see you differently. It is impossible to have a definition. You can't perceive yourself like others, and no one will perceive you or judge you on the same guidelines.

Just try your best not to be a dick. That's it.

There are things I'm curious about, but don't have the courage to try. For example, I'd like to learn how to dance, but I'm too insecure about my body to actually want to be seen moving around.