Why did the germans fail to take Stalingrad

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Overextended, Hitler making military decisions, Soviet will to fight, got surrounded.

But soviets where mass surrendering at the early stages of the war, where did they get this boost in morale?

When the Commissars started shooting those who retreated

multiple fronts, fronts hundreds of miles long, and not to mention there were an endless amount of communist bodies running towards the german lines. The Russians won only at great cost.

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Rommel lost to the western Allied forces in Africa and got himself surrounded and trapped in Tunisia. That had the dual effect of cutting him off from reinforcing the Russian campaign and forcing the Germans to split their supply lines between Tunisia and Russia. Not enough supplies, not enough men.

Hitler also made the same mistake as Napoleon, he didn't advance on the Soviets until the summer when he should have in Spring to avoid the winter. Germans couldn't utilize tanks as effectively because of the weather.

>their supply lines between Tunisia and Russia
Retard
>Not enough supplies, not enough men.
>but sure Rommel's 100 tanks would change a things

Ayyy lmao

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This user was correct, and you are the one who looks like a retard.

This guy played finest hour

Read a fucking book, brainlet. That's literally what happened.

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To beat an enemy that heavily outnumbers you, you need to heavily outgun them.
German superiority wasn't THAT vast, so the Soviet numbers prevailed.

Not that complicated.

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They got a boost in war materiel from USA.

brother war

Because stalingrad was a distraction. He should have went around it and cut off the oil fields by fortifying the river to Ahstrakhan. If the soviets weren't retreating so quickly to make themselves appear weak then Germany would have stuck the plan

>350,000 German/Italian soldiers
>290,000 to 362,000 losses
>200 Tanks
>450 Tanks lost

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Poor logistics due to their strategic oi shortage, limited rail network, and partisan sabotage. The Germans underestimated the strength of the Soviets, believing they were already beaten and unable to use blitzkrieg tactics. The Flanks of Stalingrad were protected by poorly equipped Axis minors who were quickly overrun.

I wish I had a time machine to tell Hitler a week before the Soviet counterattack.

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the jewnited states sent 12billion worth of supplies to the commies. some pagan faggot told hitler the winter would be light and he took his word for it and attacked. every jewish puppet country in the world was going to attack germany anyway. that winter was the harshest ever seen at the time. ruining panzers and weaponry and even killing soldiers. also that subhuman stalin purposely sent GORILLIONS of men to certain death just to slow the germans down

That was their strength at the start. Both sides committed more and more troops as time went on.

Because the red army was stronger. Literally that simple.

Makes sense.

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Look at this bitch literally in tears. Hitler was a retard. He assumed the soviet economy would collapse just because that happened to tsarist russia.

>Why did the country that was fighting 3+ fronts and lacked a steady supply of natural resources couldn't make an unstoppable push against an 11 million man army?
Gee bro I don't know, it sure is a mystery alright.

At the time of Stalingrad the war was not as hopeless, they had a good chance to win. Maybe they should have avoided stalingrad

that was after stalingrad

they stopped surrendering when the nazis started starving the PoWs. you do know that over 3 million soviet pows starved to death, right?

Unfortunately they needed the oil and agricultural power of the Ukraine in order to continue fighting the war in the West. Looking back on it, it all seems so inevitable.

Where was their good chance of winning chief? I'm curious.

hitler tried to make up for the losses in army group centre and north by overextending into the caucases
surprise surprise, army group south gets surrounded and their supplies are cut off. they then freeze and starve to death

Too few men, shitty supply situation, and not enough oil in general

They didn't know how to build igloos.

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After the battle of Kiev, Hitler should have focused on securing Leningrad, Crimea, and Rostov-on-Don for 1941. Hitler should not have listened to his generals; they never would have taken Moscow had they reached it and its very likely a similar situation to Stalingrad would occur with the attacking force being cut off due to a counter attack. They lost many men in a meaningless push towards a tactical target, when the grand objective of the campaign was to secure strategic resources.

At the time of Stalingrad the soviets where mass routing on almost every battle. Moscow was within reach of army group center which had the bulk of the panzers. But hitler halted their advance and diverted some forces to help troops that where meeting heavier resistance. This of course took too long and then winter came and I hope you know the rest

hitler blew it in 39 by trying to buddy buddy with the british at dunkirk
letting 350,000 men escape instead of swiftly imprisoning them unfortunately boosted British morale "the miracle at Dunkirk" the Jewish shills called it. had he of sent in Kleist with his division, the British will to fight would have been little to none. all he would've had to do by then was basically something like the blitz

Generals were idiots. Sure you have some brilliance from Gunderian, Manstein, Kluge, but you also had way too many idiots convinced they knew better. When they failed they would blame Hitler. Look at Paulus:
He commanded the 6th army, Germany's strongest, well equipped army.
Instead of encircling, and rushing in when Russia was on the retreat and taking Stalingrad in weeks, he sat back ordered/waited for the Luftwaffe to turn the damn thing to rubble, then ordered his tanks in.
When he could have pulled out, he didn't.
A whole army annihilated
Also Halder was a fucking idiot. pretty much everything he did during the war was retarded. For example, in 41 he changed the target of Barbarossa from the valuable industrial and resource areas in the south, which Hitler wanted to capture in order to be able to sustain the war effort, and shifted forces north towards Moscow (because that sure worked for Napoleon!). A success would have been only a symbolic victory even if it succeeded (soviet production had moved beyond the urals). Then in 42, he gave plenty of reinforcements to every army group except the ones fighting the main offensive of the year in the south, probably hoping to make that operation fail so he could continue his meaningless Moscow strategy. Halder, out of personal stubbornness, did more to undermine germany than any actual traitor ever managed to do.

Why are there pro nazi greeks weren't there lots of massacres and reprisals there during war?

Attacking Kiev was the correct move. Had Hitler listened to Guderian, Army Group Center's southern flank would be too exposed as they advanced towards Moscow. Stalin would have pressed every man, woman, and child into the defense of the city. The Germans would have been bled dry in urban combat, as Moscow was much larger than Stalingrad. Winter would have arrived, supplies held up, and the entire army group would be surrounded and slaughtered. Disregard for their flanks is what let the the disaster at Stalingrad.

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Hitler did take Stalingrad noob. Then the soviets encircled the germans in the city capturing the army division.

Hitler lost the moment he attacked Poland setting the chain of events into motion. If Hitler never attacked it would be extremely tough to get America into the war which was essential to defeat Germany.

They had a chance up until Stalingrad.

No attacking poland was a mistake. Stalin would have to get past Poland to take over Europe which he wouldn't do knowing he would have no seat to negotiate with the west if he did so. Hitler lost his nerve attacking when he should've been turtleing while investing into technologies.

They surrendered conquered territory. Once Mother Russia was threatened and Hitler made it clear he was going to Moscow and the Caucuses, the Soviet war machine kicked into overdrive.

Plus the Americans entered the war and threw their weight behind the Soviets.

>attacking when he should've been turtleing

How did that work out for France? Poland was overrun in a few weeks, and the Heer surrounded and annihilated the main Allied forces in France. Danzig and the Polish corridor were German clay that Hitler sought to reunite with the Reich. Germany was not destined to lose.

This Commie bastard is right. I'm about as anti-Marxist as you can get but Hitler made a dozen mistakes that were impossible to reverse.

He made them in a row too, one after another. He had no problem pushing Poland and France around but he had no plan to take Britain successfully and he never intended on declaring war on the US (Japan attacked Pearl Harbor without consulting Nazi Germany.)

If Hitler never attacked no war would come to Europe. Hitler already successfully bluffed his way to conquering nations and undoing a good enough amount to the treaty imposed upon Germany. Poland was not going to give up its territory without a fight. The alliances disguised as protections with Poland,France and Britain made this very clear.

The big mistake Hitler made was to think he had the war won in June 1940.

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Hitler sparred Brits at Dunkirk with the intention peace would follow. Then allied with the British empire would defeat soviet communism together.That plan was dumb considering Britain was a vassal to Zionism. The Japanese and German nations did not share an ideology either so when Japan attacked America it did it for its own benefit. Hitlers mistake was to declare war on America(he did his so he could attack American shipping) but it was still a mistake.

All in all the fascist powers did lose to the communists not because they were weaker but because they were out numbered.

I wish he wore down the brits and flattened them at Dunkirk.... his advisors were retarded and the luftwaffe and Kriegs marine was seriously lacking strategically compared to the British.

If he'd done that... maybe Operation Sea Lion would have been feasible.

>Poland was not going to give up its territory without a fight.

Danzig was not polish territory.

Bullshit. At the start of the war the Nazis were overwhelmingly relying on cavalry (dudes on fucking horses) to get around, their tanks were comparable at best and deeply inferior within a year of the war being in full swing.

They over invested in fighter planes when bombers increasingly decided the fate of battles.

Their naval strength never surpassed Britain's let alone the American's and at best their U-boat fleet was a nuisance.

Their only redeeming quality was their bloodthirst in slaughtering civilians en masse and even then it was matched by the Soviets if not exceeded.

The myth of "stronger Nazi fighting spirit," "superior Nazi technology," and "unparalleled Nazi work ethic" was propagated to dull the sting of their pathetic defeat.

Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy should've left the Soviets, British, and Yugos well alone. Bullying the French and Polish should've been enough.

>Danzig
Did you want to say Gdansk? - Swabian pig.

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the fact that it was named after stalin and he had just as big of an ego as hitler
could've been named literally anything else and they wouldn'tve given a shit

If Hitler captured the British army then Britain would have to negotiate a peace. But the thing is Hitler wanted unconditional surrender from every enemy he came across. So in his mind it was peace with Britain in good faith or total success. It makes sense but again Churchill was a patsy to the Zionists so it doesnt. He then proceeded to attack the USSR to gain the resources for war to defeat Britain unconditionally after they refused peace. Of course failing to defeat the USSR means Nazi Germany loses.
To the poles it was and thats all that matters.
Germany had Blitzkrieg which was designed to open up a entrance to the enemies front line then rushing to encircle enemies. The fighters were necessary to compliment the panzers. The horse soldiers were for cleanup. No army could work together with army and air force like Germany did at those times. I agree Germany had no navy as they lacked a coast. I disagree with your other comments as Germany did defeat both the British and French in battle at the same time.

Britain a vassal of jews which got killed n put into mass graves.... You mean those kinda jews? Why is it hard to see it the other way around?
Is it because loads on Jow Forums see themselves as part british or friends with britain? Wasps arent like the british theyre basically the jews you's think of.. Sure fuck it no one thinks for themselves anyone so lets all just blame the jews, because clearly they were in control in ww2 and had a massive empire.. Even sounds stupid!

>successfully bluffed his way to conquering nations

The overwhelming majority of Austrians welcomed unification.

Czechoslovakia was a fake, multi-ethnic country created by the Allies. The Sudetenland Germans wanted self determination and reunification with the Reich.

The Memel territory was again, majority German and separated against the wishes of it's inhabitants. Lithuania was given rights to the port after returning the territory to Germany.

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Stalingrad was far more than just name on the map. Capturing the city prevented the soviets from using the Volga to transport oil, supplies, and troops to and from the Caucuses. The plan was to hold the city and protect the flank as Army Group A advanced into the Caucuses to secure the oil fields.

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I said Zionists which is a political ideology not jews. Yes millions of jews died in WW2 but so did about an equal number of Germans and countless more Russians and Chinese died most of all. Why does nobody mourn the Russian deaths? Seems biased to me.

The blitz was a bit too blitzy, and the logistics/supply chains were less-than blitzy.

Checked?

Regardless attacking Russia was a huge mistake. Hitler took Stalingrad but the soviets were ready to encircle his forces with their unstoppable counter attack.

Forgive my ignorance but why would the capture of Stalingrad even be necessary? If thwarting the Soviet use of the river was the objective couldn't they just burn the city down? Similar to what the U.S. did in Tokyo

Poor logistics. The Germans thought the Soviet Army would collapse after two or three tops months of fighting. It didn't and German logistics wasn't up to the task of resupplying the forces deployed. Germany had a shortage of trucks and rolling stock that strained when they were overused in the East Front to make up for it.

That's right and wrong. The Germans grossly misconceived Soviet equipment and manpower, and severely fucked themselves delaying Barbarossa to take Yugoslavia. However, they weren't wrong regarding Soviet incompetence. Only Zhukov and a few other generals were competent, and smashing the initial line of defenders came shockingly easy.

Yes but attacking Russia was never going result in a victory. The Germans suffered an insurgency and thanks to America the Russians were able to rebuild their entire army and air force to counter attack.

Fun Fact:

The Russians were far superior to Germans in rocket tech as in launching missiles from their planes and ground based installations. The British or Americans never talk about it but i will. The Russians are not some pathetic people they really did take the fight back to the Germans very quickly.

The Soviets used boats on the Volga extensively for transportation. Capturing Stalingrad would mean cutting off the most important supply line to the Caucuses, the primary objective of Case Blau. The Germans hoped to capture the city to prevent the Soviets from using it as a springboard for a counter offensive against Army Group A. The plan was to capture the city, set up a defensive line, and extract the oil. After 1941, Germany was chronically short of fuel.

"Either I get the oil of Maikop and Grozny, or I must put an end to this war" - Hitler, June 1st, 1942.

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Seems the British lie about Germany being self sufficient in synthetics.

The Germans were not even close to fulfilling their needs with synthetic fuel. The process is expensive and required massive quantities of coal, a resource already in high demand. There is a reason the British did not come to terms with Germany; they knew that eventually the German war economy would eventually become hindered due to a lack of natural resources, especially rubber and oil. Furthermore, Axis occupied Europe ran on a food deficit throughout the war. This is why Hitler invades the Soviet Union in 1941. Every year he grew weaker as his enemies, with access to the seas, grew stronger.

Europe is in the same boat today to be honest. America is growing stronger while Europe becomes weaker.

>America is growing stronger
Funny mutt.

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Another one of Hitlers mistakes was expecting military victories in huge vast countries. Russia was unconquerable.that way. America too if Germany ever made it that far would be offer the same terrorist resistance as all citizens were armed and dangerous over huge land areas.

The Russians were tougher and more numerous.

If you think diversity will break America any time soon you aren't really arguing in logic. In economical balance sheets the EU is failing while America is only growing stronger. The EU is also facing an age crisis alongside your country which makes fielding the next generation that much harder.

America may becoming less European but it is becoming an economic power house over traditionally superior European civilizations.

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Oops i missed this reply somehow.

Hitler used and abused democracy to absorb territory into the greater Reich which is evil as it gets. He then unknown to the countries and people joining him went on a rampage against the world dragging innocent people on a rollercoaster of death.

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Do you understand - stupid moron, that if you are white, then your grandchildren will represent a third of the population in wondrous strong America? And great-grandchildren 1/4 or 1/5?

>America may becoming less European
Western culture is what allows America to be the powerhouse it is. You speak like a globalist faggot who honestly thinks he can deprogram the spic out of spics. They will vote for the same failed policies that led to their shit holes in the first place as proven decade after decade.They will not suddenly develop work ethic or standards of living because they are suddenly in America. They are in America so they can continue to be fat lazy faggots with free gibs and education for their kids. You telling me you really believe a 5'5 250 lbs female fled her country due to starvation circumstances ?

What if im not white what then? You can't stop us. You can't touch our economic power. White doesn't matter only the money does.
You say that but is it true? America is only getting stronger as it diversifies reaching markets it never had before, gaining new American consumers who see no race only luxury.

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>America is only getting stronger as it diversifies
Said no one ever, the middle class is shrinking, not the opposite. China is growing stronger, not America, which ironically suppress their middle class from forming.
>as it diversifies reaching markets it never had before
Absolutely no data backs this conclusion. Taking in shitskins does not promote profitability in their homelands. You have to be 18 to post here.

We don't need a middle class only a nation of consumers with a high birth rate. China is losing the age war alongside Russia and Europe so the longer the status quo remains the bigger advantage we get.

As for diversity the money earned here is sent back to host countries to be invested which increases not only our GDP but theirs as well as we are a powerhouse trading nation. If you don't like the direction America is going i suggest leaving to join a poor white nation like Russia if you love pale skin and eating onion soup so much.

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t. das ewige Amischwein

>join a poor white nation like Russia
You do realize Russia is steadily gaining traction alongside being a member of BRIC with China ? While you claim America is "winning" our enemies grow in economic strength. Your plan is shit.

This, Hitler gets a lot of shit for ‘being a bad general’ but he was honestly not too bad. The encirclement of Kiev was the largest the world had ever seen, and it basically wiped out the Southern flank for a period of time.

The invasion of the USSR was impossible when they were fighting in North Africa. Also the supply lines got so fucking long in the Eastern front, combined with shitty weather and allied lend-lease, smashes any hope of a German victory

Our plan is foolproof as the US dollar is backed up by the protection of the military which is world reserve currency in trade. So the more global GDP increases the more power we get and the more free goods we get.

Russia may be slowly clawing its way to the 21st century but its impossible for their poor energy exporting country to compete with our reserve currency while their ruble is worth over 60x less than our mighty dollar.

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They stopped getting surrounded in 42-43.

>US dollar is backed up by the protection of the military which is world reserve currency in trade
Confirmed idiot who doesn't understand the real threat that BRICs presents to western banks and the IMF. This is without mentioning all the grabbing russia and the chinks have done for the worlds most hard currency, oil reserves.

Someone help me translate this filthy pig latin.

It says the eternal "Amischwein" whatever that means. Probably some insult.

BRICS poses no threat because no other country can threaten our military, And when they can we will make war and crush them like dust under our feet. As for reserves that goes hand in hand with war thats coming. Oil in south China sea will be easy to extract from Chyna. Iran will fall to our might leaving only Russia cowering in fear.

BWHAHA

>muh diversity iz strength n sheeit.
t. Shlomo Goldberg.

>Runs away from fighting a war with Vietnamese rice farmers
>BTFO by Iraqi Arab jihadis.
>BTFO by Afghan goat fuckers.
>le mighty American army.

Memes apart though your army is good but your (((diverse))) population and government is one of traitors, not patriots.

Russians out brutaled the Nazis by sending more and more troops in sometimes without a rifle and told to pick up one when a comrade falls - anyone who retreats gets shot

Other factors too but that comes to mind

>Yet somehow Finland was doing something

Buddy modern Americans arent traitors they are merely doing what the economy was designed to do. And that is take money earned in America and invest in other countries that trade America products for paper currency.

This makes us brothers you and i. No Chinaman or Russian will be able to defeat us.

meme

Soviets were willing to sacrifice every man

It's a meme. by Stalingrad, soviets had better supply than Germans. Germans ran out of fuel and ammunition rapidly.

Stalin was actually fucking scared in the beginning of operation barbarossa. If Hitler promised freedom from Stalin and help to soviet soldiers, they would leave Stalin immediately. The problem was Hitler killed them and treated them like Stalin did so there was no point in moving to the other side.

>Hitler making military decisions
>a bad thing
stop sucking Halder's and Manstein's cock you brainlett

It Gdansk.
And it's historical polish clay.