Why does Jow Forums resist socialism?

>What other alternative do we have?
serfdom

>this board was almost 70 percent natsoc before 2016 election.
what the fuck are you talking about this board was pro ron paul

Cause i live in socialism.

>Everything is become more efficient / automated and many jobs simply will be displaced. It will take only 10% of the jobs to be removed for it to become economically devastating, and it will continue growing from there.

LOL no. Stop believing Silicon Valley's hype. Sure, PCs and phones were great. So were web apps and streaming and all sorts of other computer stuff.

But these guys aren't gonna automate all jobs away in the next few years.

Look at self-checkout at grocery stores. It's been around since what, 2004? Cashiers still exist. Stores still have tons of employees. The self-checkout systems are still slow, and the general public is still a bunch of mouth breathing retards who can barely use them.

In the 90's the tech industry talked about the paperless office, but printers still exist and are bigger then ever.

These people aren't gonna make driving obsolete in the next 5, 10 or even 50 years. Don't believe the hype. These people overpromise and underdeliver. Look at Elon Musk, he's the poster boy for this.

If i came home from gaming at my mums to this id ask her wtf shes doing in me house

70% was shitposting.
Even i do it.

Seriously dude? You should know your counterpositions just so you have well-rounded understanding. You are using Soviet Russia as your archetype. UBI is an example or a more socialist economy while preserving the free market. I’m not advocating to abolish capitalism, but some new hybrid of capitalism with new socialist policies should be adopted

Like the uk does?

Because socialism pays schmucks at the expense of the middle class. It is socialism that breaks the societal cohesion under the guise of security.

I didn’t say all jobs. I said 10% of jobs within the decade. Even if it takes 20 years, it is still a issue that deserves credence

look at Venezuela
>no toilet paper

>UBI is an example or a more socialist economy
What are you talking about socialism is the means of production, distribution and exchange are controlled by the community not private entities

The uk does ubi? I said a form of capitalism with NEWLY adopted social programs. Yes, socialism can go very badly. But we should hope that it can be done right, because we might not have a choice with job displacement in the relative near future. So it is prudent to discuss

Literal
>muh not a real socialism meme
kys

>I work, you eat
How is this not socialism?

>He wants to pay 50% in taxes once you hit the 40k income so others can have NEETbux
>And write papers for bureaucrat losers every time he farts

And thats how live is in a socialist country.

Socialism doesn't work because it has been decreed by the powers at be that all western countries shall be multicultural, and multiculturalism and socialism doesn't work.

With no immigration i'd unironically be a social democrat.

That’s specifically communism. Socialism has many forms. The US has socialist programs today. That is a form of socialism. You are being to rigid in your labels to try and defend a non position. Call it what you wish if it makes you feel better

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uh no mate

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So if automation displaces like experts predict, what then? You think socialism would fail? So do you believe a dystopic future is likely?

I'm pro-worker but I'm not socialist because socialism is mostly just about spending a shit ton of money to feel morally superior rather then actually helping people

There are different degrees. You can still have private property. Welfare is a form of that definition. As is UBI. Communism is the extreme. Don’t use the extreme example as your definition

Because this country already runs off of my back, why would I want even MORE gibs me dat?

And resources will continue to dwindle and socialism will continue to fail because things like exploring space will always take a back seat to feeding Joe Nigger in Africa and his 12 niglets.

I mostly agree. Socialism programs have been mostly a disaster. I just hope we can adapt and come up with something that works if we do see a permanent economic crisis

>Don’t use the extreme example as your definition
ITS NOT A FUCKING EXAMPLE ITS THE FUCKING DICTIONARY DEFINITION

>Why does Jow Forums resist socialism?
Because it fucking ruined my life?

Also human nature.

Switch to an artisan based economy. The ultra rich will own their automated factories while we go and make things that are actually good

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no you cant have private property, only personal property

Socialism does not mean you can’t have private or personal property. That’s just false. You are using it to defend a non position. I’m advocating for a hybrid of capitalism with new forms of socialism to offset the harm caused by automation in the future. If you don’t like the term “socialism”, then please ignore it and call it what you’d like

Because socialism isn't the only alternative to capitalism.

>Socialism will never work because resources are finite.
socialism is anti science
promote the lowest IQ people to reproduce
society will inevitably collapse
devolving humanity

ITT subhuman retards who lack the IQ to realise what they call "late stage capitalism" is corporativism which is strictly against capitalism and just a different flavor of socialism, while also being unable to comprehend that UBI does not and will never work

Automation is only as bad as the retards who walk among us. That is just the way the cookie crumbles, Able and Cain all over again.

Tucker's view is essentially socialist because he cares about people over progress. Humanity has to be absolutely rutheless if it wishes to survive this cusp we're on. I don't even necessarily care if it's whites that do it or not but someone needs to take control, wipe out 60% of the human pop to buy time then take us into space. I'm only a white ethno nationalist because I believe we as a group are the most capable of doing this.

What other economic systems would you prefer?

Hating corporativism doesn't mean you have to resort to fucking socialism.

and that's a good thing. *SNIFF

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>What other choice do we have than adopt a new economic model? Capitalism is beginning to eat itself. You think it can sustain itself for the remainder of the century with the progression of technology/automation
you don't need an economic model
if you have a decent plot of land and can herd cows or catch fish then you are self-sufficient.
build a society from the building block of food, shelter and family [community].

in the beginning with had hunting animals
then people settled down and started to farm
then people left the farms to work in the factories

From a "social democracy" often wrongly lauded by lefties in the US and elsewhere as a successful socialist state, I can tell you that socialism is either disregarding or ignorant of human nature.
A large portion of the population is content with receiving a paycheck, making babies, and blowing that money on unhealthy food & drink, not thinking about a few years down the line when they are obese/diabetic, or have lung cancer, or are alcoholic, have no savings, own nothing of value, and did not apply themselves in school , even when it's free.
When stuff is free, too many people do not care for it. Like city-bikes, people throw it in rivers. Donated clothing, food & drink for "the poor refugees" wandering into western Europe ended up in ditches next to where they were walking.
In the last 3 decades The tiny Norwegian population of about 4 million has grown to about 5 million, and it is not due to ethnic Norwegians having more kids, they are "new citizens" from Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, Ex Yugoslavia, various Middle Eastern nations, and so on.
A large portion of these have settled in and around our capital Oslo, and have brought their "culture" of setting cars on fire, loitering in and around malls, threatening locals, having savage rival gang fights that our tinsel town police are completely unprepared for.
Most western societies have a small portion, around 10% that are unable or unwilling to live up to the standards of "normal people", low IQ, rebellious nature getting them thrown out of school, bad choices landing them in jail, and so on. When the percentage is low, a healthy society can deal with it, when it grows way above 10%, bad shit happens to society.

>When stuff is free, too many people do not care for it.
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Well I do see this as another possibility. Society as we know it would go through a bit of a collapse as people adjust to a self-sustained lifestyle. It would be messy, and probably brutally tribal, but I think it is possible

>i'm a libertarian
>i think it's time for socialism
>it'll be great

Fucking die already

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>what is reading comprehension
Literally my point retard. I hate both and find OP to be a massive faggot for even defending this. I bet he is a normie tier facebook user who calls himself a "centrist" when he's clearly just a stupid leftist. Not even misinformed, just plainly mentally ill.

Then how come when oby was president he said we need to get used to not having jobs......and know we dont have enough people to fill the jobs?
And we need socialism to work ...man the mind games are so tiresome.
Oh and let alone the world ending in 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 years anyway...so get a fucking job and make as much money as possible and enjoy ...you know like the good old days......

Never said it would be great. Never said I even think it would likely work. But I don’t see us stopping significant (not all) job displacement through automation. Which is why I asked what alternatives we have

>just plainly mentally ill.
Woah there mate, being slightly stupid doesn't mean being mentally ill, he isn't a tranny lmao.

Step 1 Lower Population
Step 2 Destroy Suburbs
Step 3 Built Farms
This is the most basic society, where people can raise livestock and eat them

People's choice to enter the workforce is a choice between whether they'll get more wealth working a job or raising their own food and selling it to other people.

So you build advance industry on top of the farm core.

You wouldn't endure a single fucking day of farming.

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I probably align most with Adam Smith. Im a economic liberal at heart but I see the writing in the wall. The ailments of the industrial revolution will eventually lead to its collapse. Everything is become more efficient / automated and many jobs simply will be displaced. It will take only 10% of the jobs to be removed for it to become economically devastating, and it will continue growing from there. We will be forced to adopt a new form of economics to support those who fail to sell their labor. What other alternative do we have? This is coming within the decade.

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I admit I kekd

The only reason capitalism is failing is because immoral/unethical Jews exploit it

>You wouldn't endure a single fucking day of farming.
to be technical, I don't believe in farming but in raising livestock.
and being a cowboy is better than being a NEET.

When the plow was invented (replacing the shovel), it freed up labor for other more cognitive tasks. Why is this time different?

Right. This is exactly why National Socialism is works the best.

>and being a cowboy is better than being a NEET.
There are more options than that, but honestly if you want to be a cowboy go for it. Just don't force everyone into that

>im a libertarian
oh

Why does OP make this gay fucking thread for the 50th time this week?

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>The ailments of capitalism
The ailments of capitalism are socialism.
It is because it has become socialism, thinly disguised, that it fails.

Am I the only one who has seen this?

>it freed up labor for other more cognitive tasks. Why is this time different?
1. because we've built computers to do those tasks and they are more efficient than us.
2. technological growth is economic growth. With moore's law ending, economic growth will flatline which will destory the retirement fund for most ppl 401k
our current economic model is designed around exponential growth.

this is a yang thread
fuck the ops
sage everything

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>There are more options than that, but honestly if you want to be a cowboy go for it. Just don't force everyone into that
cowboy
or
fisherman
those are the only 2 options because plants should never be eaten.

at a basic level you need to eat to survive.
so nature has forced it onto all of us.

Because I like eating.

>The ailments of capitalism are socialism.
>It is because it has become socialism, thinly disguised, that it fails.
>Am I the only one who has seen this?
capitalism and communism are 2 sides of the same coin and socialism is the edge of the coin
>equal opportunity -> capitalism
>equal outcome ->socialism
both systems are trying to manage the same fundamental economy.
the only difference is how the gains get allocated

our problem with capitalism is that technological growth ends in a few years and the growth engine stops.
growth in economy is at a point where only the smartest AI developers or genetics researchers can make contributions and everyone else is no longer needed in the market.

>hur dur, you can have markets with no property

>flag
oof, I feel for you

You guys are embarrassing. Get outside of your bubble and learn other economic theories so you can at least argue effectively

China thread you say?

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SOCIALISM IS NOT COMMUNISM! SOCIALISM SEIZES THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION AND COMMUNISM ENSURES EVERYONE HAS WHAT THEY "NEED". CAPITALISM LETS FREE MARKET COMPETITION KEEP PRICES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. BOTH COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM REQUIRE STATE MONOPOLIES ON FORCE TO "REDISTRIBUTE" WEALTH TO THE WORTHY.

Lol. Imagine being so butthurt that that's the only response you can muster. So, please enlighten me. How can you have trade if you don't own anything?

Just remember: Never give up your guns or your private property
What the fucking fuck I didn't expect a fucking baby

Read the thread dude. I explained to another

>Why are you against socialism

Why are you against being on a team, where you are the only one doing shit, and no one else does, but you have to share the price of your hard work with the people not doing shit? Why are you against that?

There's your answer dick face.

This is false rhetoric. I do not want capitalism to go away. It has been the most effective economic system for raising the standard of living of all people. But your logic and definitions are false

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Well, at least I have one of those things

It depends on whether you think people can effectively make the leap from manual labor to sophisticated intellectual labor in the same way they made a leap from one type of manual labor to another. Ditch diggers could learn to use a plow, but can they learn to program in a creative way that AI won't be able to?

We may hit a wall where the average intelligence of the population, even with better education, isn't enough to do the complex work required by those jobs. It really depends on if we have been underutilizing human potential of the population who will have their jobs replaced by AI, or if they are simply obsolete in the labor market, if the latter is true, it's socialism or starvation.

NOT ENOUGH

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Socialism is like a spice, a little sprinkling of it in the form of social safety nets is fine.
Eating a bucket of nutmeg will just kill you.

probably (1).
in the fields

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>This is false rhetoric. I do not want capitalism to go away. It has been the most effective economic system for raising the standard of living of all people. But your logic and definitions are false
capitalism isnt the reason your standard of living has increased
technological growth is.
we've been experiencing technological growth since fire & stone tools
what you call capitalism is term invented or at least popularized by karl marx.

Capitalism will never work because resources are finite

Will socialism ever work? Idk. I don’t think it has in the past. Some social programs have been successful in western countries. But on a holistic economic scale, I think UBI is the best proposal I’ve heard so far. Since those corporations displacing jobs are the ones benefitting, it makes sense to tax them. Will it work? Idk. But I’m open to ideas. If it doesn’t work and mass jobs begin getting displaced, the economic system as we know it is fucked. So we may be forced to revert to a more traditional form of self sustaining communities.

I’m all for socialism but only for my people. Not into this “white people should provide for every brown double digit IQ ape who demands it”
Anyone who came to my country to sponge off our system and our wealth is not welcome.
I guess you could call it national socialism.

Yep, every race in its homeland where socialism can work, provided they have had enough development already.

>We may hit a wall where the average intelligence of the population, even with better education, isn't enough to do the complex work required by those jobs
the real problem is there aren't jobs to do. So many shitty jobs created are retail or fast food.
>it's socialism or starvation.
seeDownsize the population and give everyone land to raise animals = starvation averted.

I know, but guns have been restricted here since before I was born. Fortunately a recent election saw the FvD party grow to being the largest party in the senate and one of their positions is that citizens should be allowed to have guns for use in self defence

>I’m all for socialism but only for my people. Not into this “white people should provide for every brown double digit IQ ape who demands it”
>Anyone who came to my country to sponge off our system and our wealth is not welcome.
no fundamental difference between the low IQ members of your own race and low IQ members of another race.
both are viewed as devolving from your high IQ POV.

Yes that pretty much sums up my argument. I’m not arguing for socialism from a moralist standpoint, but from a stance of survival. We may be forced to adapt socialism since our labor become worthless. Or revert to traditional farming communities. But the later seems less preferable imo because the economy would have had collapsed and people aren’t equipped for that lifestyle. It would be brutally tribal and like you said, many people could starve. Not just in the US or other first world countries but foreign manufacturing countries