Americans drive immigration

>what happens if no one accepts the job?
build machines that gut chickens

wow almost like automation is a problem and Yang is right

>Low income whites, don't want to do the jobs that immigrants.

Wrong. We just want to get paid decently and get treated like human beings. Illegals are treated like slaves because if they complain they face deportation.

When you automate someone is checking on the machine and machining new parts and the dum dums are greasing the gears or sweeping up chicken feathers.

Wat.
Oh noooo! You mean if we get rid of Mexicans that do the jobs we don’t want to do, it will create jobs we want to do?!?

Wtf I love Mexicans now!

u have to addapt to the economy its changed

fpbp
>it's your fault that you don't want to do backbreaking labor on the wage of a third world peasant, so we're going to import tens of millions of third world peasants
Good thing we have the left to scream about how opposition to this plan is racist fascism :^)

>outsource all the industrial and office jobs overseas
>bring in immigrants to slave in the jobs that remain tied to a physical location
>wonder why masses of people are poor, unemployed, and shiftless

I would argue it more capitalistic to let the market decide the pay and prices of services/goods than to augment this by importing 3rd worlders willing to work for peanuts

Yo dawg, why don't you have unions preventing shitskins to work for less?

This is actually happening in construction right now. Wages are rising.

>The problem is you. They are just the symptom.
the problem is you and your kike usury

but guess what... its gonna come to an end very soon :)

exactly. people like op are actually baaaasedbrained and retarded

s o 0 y brained.

You do not see the whole problem
We have the same problem, but you don’t see the full effect of the system, the working emigrants will not always be loyal to you, as soon as they have a shock from their own protection, they will demand more and more, you will not pay the difference in her salary Your children will pay and it will not be 15,000, but 50,000 for the roof

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Aren't unions supposed to solve this problem? Setting minimum prices for the labour?

We have no working unions.

Also, exactly in the same system there was a confidential south bringing blacks, you must thank God that the northerners won by destroying this system, otherwise the blacks in your country would not be 10% but all 90%

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wew

*confederate

When you automate someone is checking the machines, plural. And yes there is a new market for chicken gutting machines, that factory is also automated with a few people running many machines. That’s automation. We still have people running machines at Ford plants - it’s just far far fewer people per car than before.
Hence UBI because some people are not skilled enough to desigh(high skill), maintain(medium skill), and operate(low skill - but still skilled). Notice how “unskilled” labor has no part in this equation?

You're right OP. Couldn't have put it better myself really. Not even joking.

>No the problem is physical labor is financial undervalued in our system

oh wow, now supply and demand is a problem.

>because some people are not skilled enough to desigh(high skill), maintain(medium skill), and operate(low skill - but still skilled). Notice how “unskilled” labor has no part in this equation?

What this jew *cough, my fault *user is saying is this....

Take the $80,000 loan + interest for 6 year degree and become high skill employee and maybe a job.

Take the $40,000 loan + interest for 4 year degree and become medium skilled employee and maybe a job.

Take the $20,000 loan + interest for 2 year degree and become low skilled employee and maybe a job.

problem solved

It's insane to think the government isn't 100% to blame. It has been their policies, front to back, that created this. The combination of PSAs "make your kid wear a helmet', 'everyone is a winner', etc., combined with a lack of immigration enforcement, made a world of 'white kids that don't work'. From what I've been told, ~20yrs ago, multiple times a week, someone from the labor board would show up on a construction site and check the working status of every single person on the site. Apparently that never happens anymore. After decades of cheap labor, that IS BELOW the standard of an average American, and regulation from the government creating an environment where young Americans CAN'T work, made this problem.

>not enough government

fucking make up your mine

I clearly said the government is at the root of these issues, and nowhere did I say 'not enough government' Cleetus. The government mandates every facet of our life, whether we want to participate or not. Their policies created this, not the inherit 'laziness' of the population.

>~20yrs ago, multiple times a week, someone from the labor board would show up on a construction site and check the working status of every single person on the site. Apparently that never happens anymore

You're fucking saying that the the government NOT DOING SOMETHING is the problem dumb fuck.

Doesn’t matter $1000
#yanggang

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>Willing to pay $15k for roof
>Mexican crew now gets $15k
>More Mexican crews show up to compete for the $15k
>Market saturated with Mexican crews, nobody can find work

>Whites not willing to stand for 12 hours or do physical labor
>Somehow did said physical labor for their entire history until the last few decades when the magic sombrero man showed up
>Wages for those jobs cheap because of so many Mexicans available to fill the position.

Your arguments are bullshit.

>Somehow did said physical labor for their entire history

literally kyself

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Incorrect. What I was describing was the facts of our current system. My policy recommendations, well the ones that might actually happen vs “race war”, are to take the Joobucks and redistribute them. Honestly, I am not sure Yang has the correct prescription but it’s a lot closer than anyone else is offering. Trumpy has Zionist hands pulling all his strings so that hasn’t worked.

>Immigrants work for sub-poverty wages
>Obviously the problem is whites not working for peanuts
>Also we need to be paid a living wage, $15/hr min

Kys

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>dumb fuck
Do you lack reading comprehension skills Cleetus?

>The government mandates every facet of our life, whether we want to participate or not
>government mandates
>whether we want to participate or not

They CONTROL EVERYTHING asshole

So what are you saying that the government mandates certain businesses employee a certain amount of illegals?. What exactly is the government executing that makes them guilty of this?. What mandate are you saying that they SHOULD NOT or SHOULD BE doing?.

Reminder that Blacks are in the US because Jews imported them to drive down the wages of Whites. It turns out they work a lot less hard when it's illegal to whip them. So now Jews are importing spics to drive down White wages. What you actually believed the same Whites that now commute 2 hours to work so they don't have to live next to niggers actually crossed an ocean to import millions of them in to their country?

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I can show you a picture of my WHITE great grandmother doing this same work. Literally had to quit middle school to help raise 11 brothers and sisters. The skewed view people have of old America is a shame.

Post it. I may believe this bullshit story, but can't promise anything.

>muh gibs
The problem is people aren't willing to pay the increase in prices to support higher wages.

yeah, get actualy solid proof or gtfo
>muh jooos
I'm an actual antisemite, but accusations without solid proof makes us look like absolute retards

The problem is, you can't remove the market drive for immigrant workers, and not have increased government control or socialism.

the sources only give you jewish population, not actual slave owners or slave traders... bad pic

>>what happens if no one accepts the job?
You move chicken gutting to another country, or you raise the price of chicken, thus causing inflation.

I'm saying:

-The government controls immigration as well as regulation of the job market, like it or not
-The government used to 'enforce' laws that were made to regulate the job market and prevent unfair practices. Competitive pay, safety, etc.
-The government no longer enforces laws that were made to prevent these very issues, but as citizens we still have to live within that framework.

The government is supposed to be a regulatory body that 'works for the people'. I know that is a farce, but that's how it's supposed to work.

It doesn't take a genius to step back and see the big picture.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping#United_States

This is the job that slaves were brought in to reduce the wages of. When slavery was abolished blacks entered in the sharecropping job market and continued to drive down White wages. This is Jews really got to have their cake and eat it too. They drove down White wages, got Whites to kill Whites to keep driving down their wages, and got Whites to kill Whites to give Blacks equal rights.

>you can't remove the market drive for immigrant workers

Look man. Let me be serious here. There is no "market drive" for immigrant workers. People who buy shit don't give half a fuck who makes their shit or where it comes from (for the most part). They just care about price/quality.

This leaves it up to the workers/employers.

Let me ask you this though. Answer me straight. Why can't white people compete with illegal productivity?. I mean you guys say that Hispanics being manlet pathetic tiny people are small and weak why are they beating you at physical work?.

I want the picture dude, you said you had a picture.

>1) don't want to stand on their feet for 12 hour shifts gutting chickens [...]
Why does it have to be 1 1/2 days of work? Why not just a normal shift of 8 hours? What's the point of having two guys working 12 hours each instead of three guys working 8 hours each?
>2) Poor whites are unreliable, many don't show up for work, or show up high, or drunk.
Don't know anything about that, but I doubt this is true for the majority.
>3) Americans like cheap shit. If someone has an all white crew and bids $15,000 to roof your house, 90% of the time they will chose the Mexican crew that will do it for $9000.
So you're saying the problem is that illegals cause wage dumping? Gotcha.
>4) Companies are unable to fill labor positions for unskilled labor, at costs that compete globally. Nobody wants to pay 3X as much for a TV on black friday that is produced in America, when they can get it super cheap at WalMart.
So the problem is that you're importing products made with slave labor in China?
Sounds to me like you need to kick out the immigrants to curb wage dumping and poor working conditions, impose tariffs on cheap crap made by slaves in china and pay american workers enough so that they can buy american.

But in reality this is how it really works.
>Government consists of elected officials who need millions of campaign donations
>Billion dollar companies, and billionare's donate to PAC's
>Companies rely on profits
>Companies get profits by reducing costs
>Lower wage jobs are filled by immigants

Its the same model we've had since the 1800's industrial revolution when they hired ever Irish and Chink off the boat to build railroads,

If you think I would tarnish her name by posting her picture on this basket weaving forum you're crazy. You can believe whatever you like user, but it is 100% true. The American South was full of hard working, honest, but POOR white folks, that were 'sharecroppers'

>Why can't white people compete with illegal productivity?
I'm not even talking about illegal workers, the same hold true for legal immigrants who will work the shit jobs. But the truth is, and I've seen it over and over, the whites (and blacks for that matter) don't want to do the jobs. Go visit Storm Lake Iowa sometime, 2 huge packing plants there, they have Laotian and Mexicans working in both because the locals didn't want to.

They don’t want to because employers give shit wages for the work. Plus, illegals don’t pay taxes and go on welfare, meaning they go home with a lot while citizens would get paid poorly and still have to pay taxes. Deport illegals and pay a fair wage, and then you’ll see natives work for you

So all your answers are increased government control and regulation of businesses. But that's exactly what conservatives are against.

OY VEY

>give shit wages for the work
Because the consumers want cheap prices. You seem don't get that part do you. The market it driving this.

This, Business is King

Not only that, if you are competent enough, you can take managerial jobs with higher pay due to illegals unable to take those positions. Or just get a degree.

First generation immigrants do work much harder than native born Americans. However, the children of immigrants have the same lazy attitude towards work that most young Americans have, so employers must import a new wave of Third Worlders to do the work.

Most Westerners don't really start working hard until they have children and a family to support.

>the whites (and blacks for that matter) don't want to do the jobs

But come on, YOU can't possibly be someone that empathizes for these people?.

We're not talking about intelligent whites/blacks because they shouldn't want the shit jobs that illegals are doing so let's get that out of the way we're not talking about them.

The whites/blacks that are left with no jobs that offer good pay/skilled jobs are the guys who sucked at school or didn't finish high school or whatever bullshit because of their lack of pursuing a higher education are left in a world where physical performance is what you have left and they can't even give that. They can't offer skill, they can't offer physical performance. What exactly is the issue here?.

>Hello my fellow antisemites. I am antisemitic just like you but somehow don't know that the Jews admit this.
Jacob Rader Marcus

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Fuck you OP. Americans are willing to do all kinds of degrading work. We're just not willing to do it for 5 bucks an hour.

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I don't deny it's all a sham. My argument is this simple; the results we have are due to government policy not the inherit laziness of the population, which OP seems to suggest

yeah, right, I didn't saw anything on the sources there other than jewish population

Problem is they are also not willing to pay higher prices either. Why did Wal-mart run every small store out of town?

>whites aren't willing to pick cotton for free WE NEED THE NIGGER SLAVES TO DO IT

Illegal immigration is not immigration. If our goverment did their job we wouldnt have the problem. Its 100% the goverments fault for not protecting our borders and dutifully enforcing immigration laws that were designed to prevent what is happening. The fact that tackling illegal immigration is a partisan issue is mind boggeling.

burgers hate capitalism after seeing this post

>government policy
You are correct, but that government is elected by the people as well. In the US, they don't want government oversight of business, so this is what you get.

Your logic is like trying to stop the the flow of drugs, by not dealing with any addicts, only the supply of drugs. How well has that worked out?

Pretty much this. Mexicans are our niggers, best part is, we demonize them for doing exactly what we invite them into our country to do.

Also alcohol prohibition...and abstinence only education...and fighting wars halfway across the world....when will they learn

>don't empathize with Whites who sucked at high school
>import shitskins who sucked at high school so White wages go down and we have even more people who sucked at high school
That makes perfect sense.

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One issue I see is that immigrants dont have the same living standards, white people expect to live in a single generation household while Russian and Latino immigrants don't have a problem with 3 generations living in a 1000 square foot home. These immigrants can then afford to start small bussiness and higher their relatives as employees and under cut the the native populations workers.

Also the issues with white people in the trades is true bit not as wide spread as you make it sound.

Not everybody is cutout to work in an office for 40 years, doesnt do well in school or just stupid and appathitic, society should make a place for these people to make a modest living.

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>This, Business is King
Says who? The God of Capitalism?

Where does morality fit in? Do we not care about our fellow Americans that need a job, that may not have enough sense to tie their shoes, but need to eat?

You just said:
>Government consists of elected officials who need millions of campaign donations
>Billion dollar companies, and billionare's donate to PAC's

That's not your neighbor that's paying for those elected officials

Drugs arent people, bad comparison. Also drugs would continue to be manufactured domestically on the black market anyway.

>If our goverment did their job we wouldnt have the problem

How do you figure?. Is it this?.

No illegals because they all kicked out because really can't find work.

Now businesses that used them MUST either shut down because can't get shit done or pay higher wages (including breaks, loss of productivity because legals this generation have a civil right to text/listen to music on the job meaning shitload more accidents because not paying attention/simply not even working because busy checking latest tweetz and shit?)for legal whites/blacks?.

Does this loss in productivity not effect their capital gain or whatever the fucking term is?. If it does who takes the hit in lost revenue?. business sucks it up and makes less money? or prices jump up and customers determine if it's worth paying more for same product (because now takes more people/more time to output same product)?.

>we invite them into our country

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>society should make a place
Left to our own devices, we never will. It's always about money, pure and simple.

Look at the results of offshoring, immigration and now automation. You will quickly spot them in Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toledo or see what the rest of the country looks like. It is a growing wasteland, a place of haves, the ruling oligarchy and monopolies, and have nots, the bottom 90%. The dream of living in a secure middle class is vanishing. Only government workers remain. The rest of America has been deprived of all sense of political, economic, and cultural dignity. There vote no longer matters. We need a change.

illegals can breed too

Every person who hires an illegal immigrant is inviting them, every person who buys good or services from a company that hires illegals is inviting them.

It's a totally valid comparison, its supply and demand, people hire immigrants, thus the supply. and everyone who does business with those companies feeds that supply, whether it be mexican roofers, or poo IT workers. all the same.

>as soon as they have a shock from their own protection
What does this mean?

Perhaps businesses shouldn't have hired illegal aliens to begin with. The market will dictate who stays in business and who doesnt. Prices fluctuate based on costs of doing business plus supply and demand. People will make their judgements based on a number of factors, the market will always dictate these things but if its tampered with artificially like illegal alien wages then yes a correction will happen.

>Low income whites, don't want to do the jobs that immigrants do FOR SLAVE WAGES. White kids don't want to stand on their feet for 12 hour shifts gutting chickens, or 12 hours in the sun roofing a house, or laying out mulch or panting a house FOR SLAVE WAGES.
Ftfy
Employing people sure is hard when you have to pay them a real wage. It's all the peasants fault for not wanting to be slaves, if they'd do it the shitskin slaves wouldn't be necessary.

>costs that compete globally

And there it is. Globalist shill that wants to degrade the American standard of living.

A white person on drugs is just as competent as a spic who is straight. Also, drugs are not always bad, cocaine can make you harder and more diligently.

>MUH SLAVE WAGES
You say that, until the prices of goods and services goes up, along with inflation. Then you bitch about how expensive everything is.

Unless you are proposing redistribution of wealth...

Like it or not, you live in a global economy.

>increased government control or socialism
This is exactly what I'm advocating for.

>t. NEET who has no idea what real work is like.

>oh wow, now supply and demand is a problem.
When did he say the concept of supply and demand were a problem? You have zero understanding of economics dont you?