Why are women so sexually attracted to traits most people would agree are negative?
Why are women so sexually attracted to traits most people would agree are negative?
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Stop making this bait thread you seething virgin
Have sex armchair psychologist
These kind of guys rule nice guys, women want to be with rulers and powerful men
Imagine being so boring that women would go for these men over you
Savior complex + submissiveness.
They're bad and they want to save them.
They're also very dominant and women love being dominated (by men they trust)
Those traits are basically extreme and unhealthy variants of traditionally masculine traits, and therefore appealing to women.
It's not normal for women to seek a partner who clearly exhibits those traits as a long term partner, tho. Most women prefer normal people, and not mentally ill assholes.
I was involved with a guy who showed those traits. He always had a lot of flings and girls around him, but no girl ever stayed with him for more than 3 weeks. I'm not interested in flings and I rejected him as soon as he started showing those traits. Initially a man like that can be very charming and nice to you. They're often quite intelligent, too.
Stop being retarded.
As a man you should understand that you are willing to put up with most shitty personalities as long as the core of what you want is there.
A psychopath or sociopath is still going to pretend to give a rats ass and offer the basic things the woman wants while balancing their shitty personality.
It's not like these dudes are treating them like shit and then get in a relationship with them.
They learn what the person wants and then offers it and once they build a report then they start showing more and more of their shitty personality.
Most people turn shitty 3 months into a relationship once the honeymoon phase runs its course. That's when the things you used to like start to turn into annoyances.
So when a man is essentially mentally ill he gets showered with female attention and casual sex which is the endgame of most men? Sounds like a dream.
How can I be more psychopathic?
He was a very attractive dude (fit, mostly).
He had no empathy, was good at manipulating women and making them feel like a million bucks, but then was very hollow once you got to know him personally.
He didn't get "showered in female attention", he was good at getting women to suck his dick but mostly because he was very proactive about it.
>Sounds like a dream.
Ah by the way he killed himself a year ago.
Women love evil men because they themselves are evil
yawn, OP is a fag
They aren't, they are attracted to Chads and Chads usually have those traits. Personality is irrelevant
>Personality is irrelevant
Imagine being this deluded
Personality is everything, it's just that the kind of personality women like is the exact opposite of the kind of personality our moms told us we should have.
"Women like it when you're nice and respect their boundaries" is the biggest fucking meme that ever gained traction in the Earth.
Women are satanic, since the dawn of time.
Look up Adam and Eve.
It's not a meme, it's what you're 35 year old mom wanted in a man she had to take care of. Like her sons. Docile, obedient, nice.
No, it's not. People (women and men) like good people. It's just not enough.
You also have to be interesting, charming, able to flirt and tease, etc.
Except ANY personality is ok if you are good looking. You can be kind or a piece of shit but if you are good looking you will get girls no matter what. The opposite is also true. If you are ugly no amount of bad boy traits will get you laid. Just accept personality is irrelevant
That story is bullshit. What kind of great God keeps the knowledge of Good and Evil from men? The serpent was actually GOOD for liberating mankind, and so was Eve for her part in the trickery.
Wrong, there are good looking incels (literally just look at Elliot).
Women like exciting men, doesn't matter if they're good or bad, but usually bad men tend to be more exciting.
Some traits women like are disagreeableness, low empathy and dominance. Those traits give off a "I don't give a fuck if you like me or not" attitude that women just fucking adore.
Men like attractive, submissive women.
I guess that does kinda make sense.
You're making it sound like reality is binary:
>Looks come in 2 ways: absolutely ugly or absolutely handsome
>You either get all the girls or no girls at all
>If you're handsome you get all the girls, if you're ugly you get none at all
Truth is, both things have various shades of grey and personality matters.
Sure, if you're very handsome it's easier to get girls. Sure, if you're very ugly it's harder to get girls.
But if you have a personality that is appealing to girls it can make up for not having good looks. If you have a horrible personality, it can push women away even if you look girl.
If you're average, like most people, you can increase your chances of finding a girl to date by having good personality traits.
>Except ANY personality is ok if you are good looking.
Wrong. I can assure you that if a man is like a 9/10 but is insecure and needy, his girl will leave him.
I don't need to cope since I have a gf and you don't
Things that never happened
If you thing women don't spot weakness in a man and only care about how he looks you're more deluded than you look.
Again with super simplistic thinking.
Human beings have varied tastes, and it makes no sense to group all women and all men into the "WoMeN LiKe ThIs, MeN LiKe ThAT" scheme. Preferences vary.
Women care about whether you're good or bad, especially for long term dating. While being with someone exciting is, indeed, exciting when it comes to investing in someone they want a good man. They'd rather date a good boring man than a exciting bad man. Ideally, they want to be with an exciting good man. Even if the "exciting bad man" is hotter, women don't care about that as much if not for flings.
Women don't like disagreeableness, they like men who know what they want.
Women don't like low empathy, they like men who are emotionally strong and capable of handling their feelings.
You have a poor understanding of psychology, and women.
If you are good looking no amount of 'weakness' matters
Explain Elliott Rodgers
Dude. Elliot Rodger isn't an attractive dude. He's average.
Explain why popular and objectively good looking actors, bodybuilders, singers etc suffer from relationship issues just as much as the average joe then.
Explain what? He was average looking, short and small dicked. If anything, if women like dark triad personality traits then he should have gotten laid. You are proving yourself wrong
Preferences vary but you can still talk about general tastes.
>Women care about whether you're good or bad, especially for long term dating. While being with someone exciting is, indeed, exciting when it comes to investing in someone they want a good man. They'd rather date a good boring man than a exciting bad man. Ideally, they want to be with an exciting good man. Even if the "exciting bad man" is hotter, women don't care about that as much if not for flings.
Wrong. There isn't a single trait that dries a vagina faster than being boring. It is the one cardinal sin a woman will never tolerate. Women want to be excited, they want to be surprised, they want someone that is impulsive and willing to do new things.
>Women don't like disagreeableness, they like men who know what they want.
And disagreeable people know what they want. They aren't mutually exclusive.
>Women don't like low empathy, they like men who are emotionally strong and capable of handling their feelings.
Women don't like men who cry over other people's tragedies, they want men who are emotional rocks that they can lean on. Which is pretty much having low empathy.
>proving yourself wrong
What are you even talking about
>if women like dark triad personality traits then he should have gotten laid.
Elliott was absolutely and completely insecure thus ruining the whole point.
Definitely not true. I could never be attracted to someone who was cruel or who had a bad heart. It doesn't matter what you look like, you're an instant 0/10 to me if you are mean to other people or disrespect women.
Because they are merely negative aspects of positive traits
Hate resorting to personal attacks but you clearly don't have many friends if you think this way
I've seen many attractive guys struggle with getting girls because they had 0 social skills
>There isn't a single trait that dries a vagina faster than being boring.
Again, women prefer "boring good man" over "exciting bad guys" when it comes to committing. There's plenty of science about this.
They might want to fuck the "bad exciting guys", but it's not someone they want to commit to. Similarly to men who want to sleep with hot thots who suck their dick on first date, but wouldn't probably date them long term.
You're phrasing traits in a negative way to make it sound like women want a mentally ill man.
Women want emotionally competent, strong men they can rely on. They don't want psychopaths.
Based retard stop posting
>my personal opinion
>my personal experience
As opposed to the word of a virgin who is an expert on women?
>Again, women prefer "boring good man" over "exciting bad guys" when it comes to committing. There's plenty of science about this.
And funnily enough this is the reason there are so many sexless marriages. Sure they might like the reliability of these boring good men, but they can't get excited for them, so eventually the sex dries up sooner than later.
I'm not saying women want mentally ill men, I'm just saying the traits they're attracted to are very prevalent in mentally ill men. Psychopaths are self-serving (easily mistaken with self-reliance), have low to non-existant empathy (mistaken with strong emotional control), are disagreeable because they don't care what other people think ("omg he is so confident") and they aren't needy because they don't give a fuck about other people.
Pretty much all psychopaths have a constant stream of pussy to choose from for a reason.
I'm not a virgin stop projecting
This is accurate. The moment a woman senses she has control over you, and understands how you work, she stops being attracted.
>And funnily enough this is the reason there are so many sexless marriages
Lol, no. The reason why sex dries down is because people grow old, less attractive, have more shit to do, they get stressed out, they get used to each other and don't invest in the relationship.
>I'm just saying the traits they're attracted to are very prevalent in mentally ill men.
They don't like the traits you listed. They are the unhealthy extreme version of the traits they like.
You're trying to make it sound like psychopaths are the true most desirable men, when it's not true. It's like saying that women with BPD are the most desirable women because they show traits that men generally like but brought to an unhealthy level.
Why are you linking to the tranny board
t. girls only want chad ;(((
>Lol, no. The reason why sex dries down is because people grow old, less attractive, have more shit to do, they get stressed out, they get used to each other and don't invest in the relationship.
Then how come male sex drive stays roughly at the same level? Are you telling me only men grow old ugly?
I remember reading some statistics that in 70% of the cases with a libido imbalance it's usually the men the one who wants it more.
Here's a study that women are much more likely to lose interest in sex on long relationships than men:
Why? Because women crave excitement. They can't be happy having sex with the same man over and over because it gets, you guess it, BORING. They need exciting stuff, whether it be someone new or what have you. Routine is death for the female libido.
What I'm saying is very simple, the worst thing you can be when it comes to sexual success is boring.
>They don't like the traits you listed. They are the unhealthy extreme version of the traits they like.
My entire point is that the traits I listed include by definition the other traits they do like, which is what funnily enough makes psychopaths so irresistible for women.
Again, whatever I say has no repercussion in my sex life. It's Irreelevant, crazy isn't it. It's because it's all about looks
It's literally 5 percent of us being spammed and the moderation thinks it's funny so they let literal spam bots link lgbt discord links all day long. Literally bots.
Also, the link random threads as though it's the /trash/ board. Then they delet suicide boards now days due to not respecting robot culture. We always had suicide threads.
Fuck your bait.
Not really. Like how if someone says girls don't enjoy sex you know they're shit at sex, if someone says personality has nothing to do with getting girls you know they don't get girls.
I do tho, crazy, almost like personality doesn't matter. But keep coping, every person who disagrees with you is a virgin am I right
>Then how come male sex drive stays roughly at the same level?
Because women and men sex drives work differently: men libido is higher to begin with and is less connected with emotions than female one. Plus for women sex is about the relationship you have with the person you fuck much more than it is for men.
So men's libido, even when decreased, tends to be higher than female one and it suffers less from factors that make it decrease.
Your study talks about it, too.
>My entire point is that the traits I listed include by definition the other traits they do like
They are the exacerbated, unhealthy version of them.
For example women with BPD tend to be very emotionally available and affectionate, and very promiscuous. Men like this: they like women who want them, they like women who are loving towards them, they like women who want to suck their dick. But obviously a woman with BPD is not someone they'd go for for a relationship.
It's basically the same thing. Women with BPD and psychopathic men aren't "irresistible". They're ill and most people don't want to associate with them, even if they might be good for some fucking and they have some traits that can be considered attractive.
>casual sex which is the endgame of most men
This is inaccurate, and if casual sex is your endgame then you should seriously reevaluate your choices and priorities.
Jow Forums is for grannies?
Seek help, incel. This is some Supreme Gentleman shit here.
There are more woman than men on the planet so if you are going to generalize the entire gender then the majority of people would find these traits attractive.
Yeah man everyone who disagrees with you is an incel
>Because women and men sex drives work differently: men libido is higher to begin with and is less connected with emotions than female one. Plus for women sex is about the relationship you have with the person you fuck much more than it is for men.
Or maybe, just maybe, women get bored after being a while in the same relationship because they crave excitement, while men crave sex, even if it's with the same women.
>They are the exacerbated, unhealthy version of them.
Which means they still have them holy shit, this isn't so hard to understand.
Psychopathic men tend to be very sexually succesful because they have extreme versions of traits women like.
>women get bored after being a while in the same relationship because they crave excitement, while men crave sex
No dude. Plenty of people have long term relationships and still have sex, even after 50 years together.
If women craved excitement it wouldn't be the case.
>Psychopathic men tend to be very sexually succesful because they have extreme versions of traits women like.
Yes, in an unhealthy manner which eventually turns off women. Like having BPD turns off men eventually.
Women don't want to be with a man who is a psychopath, like men don't want to be with women with BPD. They might find it sexually attractive at times, but it's not something worth investing in. And while most women might want to suck their dick, like men might want to fuck a girl who has BPD, it's not someone they spend their life with or risk a good relationship for most of the time.
It's because women are fucked up. You already know this so why are you asking?
IKR? Normies coping hard
You're literally telling yourself that your lack of success is due to things outside of your control because you can't deal with the reality that you're just not putting enough effort in, but somehow we're the ones coping.
Someone made this comparison before but let's imagine you're playing in a soccer match. You're losing 10-0 with ten minutes left. Is it possible for you to come back? Yes. But the odds are impossibly stacked against you.
Even the pluckiestt, most stalwart military general must concede defeat when the war is lost.
This height, face and frame DON'T matter, it's all about witty sense of humor, kindness and confidence, just try harder short balding Indian man
Looks matter. Personality matters. Wealth matters. Most women are willing to compromise a little when it comes to looks if you have other things to offer.
Key word: a little
Yeah.You're probably not scoring victoria secret models as a 3/10 indian balding turbomanlet.
You might very well score someone who is roughly as attractive as you, or average if you have great traits to offer other than your looks.
The trouble with this metaphor is that it supposes that physical attractiveness and personal attractiveness are so disproportionately important. This is incorrect.
A more apt metaphor would be to imagine the match is 5-7 with 20 minutes left.
Does the physically attractive guy have an advantage? Certainly. But unless he's a goddamn model and you're an absolute ogre, you can overcome that advantage with some effort.
Because they're correlated with success?
Also, that's a generalization, every human being is a little bit different.
>No dude. Plenty of people have long term relationships and still have sex, even after 50 years together.
It's not the most common thing, and again women are usually the ones to make it so this doesn't happen because they lose interest.
>Yes, in an unhealthy manner which eventually turns off women. Like having BPD turns off men eventually.
Turning off women eventually is better than not turning them on at all. Which is what happens if you're a boring person.
>It's not the most common thing
Yes, it is. The vast majority of couples has sex at least weekly, unless they're 60+. Dead bedrooms are the most common thing only in senile couples. and even then a good part of the couples still fucks from time to time.
There are stats about this.
>Turning off women eventually is better than not turning them on at all.
Yet plenty of "boring people" are in relationships and have sex with their wife.
>The trouble with this metaphor is that it supposes that physical attractiveness and personal attractiveness are so disproportionately important. This is incorrect.
No it doesn't. It supposes that physically and emotionally unattractive men should accept defeat rather than delude themselves with false hope. Relationships are a dog eat dog world. No one has a right to a sexual partner.
>"Just accept defeat. Don't work on yourself. Don't improve your looks. Don't try to get out of your shell and improve your personality. Nothing can't change. You're unlovable forever.".
- user while he was coping very hard, 2019
Yup pretty much
Personal development is for new age fags. It's just a coping mechanism to distract people from the harsh realities of life.
>The Chad is a narcissistic psychopath meme still won't die.
In Finance, people "in the know" go to great pains to distinguish between people who they call "Commercial", and people who they call "Transactional". Transactional people are the cutthroat types - they drive the hardest bargains, and can be counted on to always squeeze every last dollar they can out of a transaction for themselves. Commercial people are different - not in that they develop a reputation for being easy to drive a hard bargain *against*, but simply in that they're always seen going the extra mile to make sure they're producing extra value for *everyone* involved in the transactions that they're a party to. The Transactional people don't exactly go hungry, for sure. But the Commercial people are the ones who are truly sought after, and who are eligible to climb to the absolute top.
In business/entrepreneurship more broadly, you would be truly staggered by the lengths that true Top Dogs will go to uphold a reputation for "taking care of" people who do business with them. Again, throat-cutters don't go hungry. But the Pinnacle is reserved all but entirely for people who go out of their way to make *other people* rich. Men informally "vote" other men to the top of the hierarchy because they're deeply generous and reciprocal on top of being savvy and competent, not because of some "dark" willingness to lie/cheat/steal and pile bodies to climb higher.
Fantasizing about how everyone more successful and sought-after than yourself is a terrible person is an indicator of your own narcissism, not theirs.
bait they are not
I mean, both improving yourself and giving up are ways of coping with the harsh realities of life.
One often lands you a family, friends and blowjobs and one lands you endless hours of whining on Jow Forums, but hey, up to you.
Personality is a bullshit buzzword normies use to keep ugly men from dropping out of society and give them false hope.
>just keep trying, it must be your personality!
This continues until the ugly man realizes the sad truth and snaps or kills himself.
Good personality has no real meaning and you can keep repeating 'improve your personality! ' indefinitely
>Yes, it is. The vast majority of couples has sex at least weekly, unless they're 60+. Dead bedrooms are the most common thing only in senile couples. and even then a good part of the couples still fucks from time to time.
Depends on how long term you mean. After 7 years there is a very marked decrease in sex had, initiated mostly by the woman.
>Yet plenty of "boring people" are in relationships and have sex with their wife.
Yeah, while their wives fantasize about more exciting men.
Bruh can you be any more of a bootlicker?
CEOs which are what you would consider the top dogs tend to have psychopathic traits at a much higher ratio than the general populace. Rich people tend to be pieces of shit, mostly because being so insanely rich and catered for has a way of destroying your empathy for the common man, which is 99% of humanity.
>Depends on how long term you mean.
Married 50 year old couples are often married for 20+ years, and together for longer than that. Still, having sex once a week or more is normal for most of those couples.
>Yeah, while their wives fantasize about more exciting men.
Women are illogical creatures. They don't want ugly guys but chad himself will age into a ugly prune and she will too.
>Why are women attracted to dark triad men
Back in history those would be the men that killed your family and captured you to be a wife. Women still want to be captured but admitting you will be willing to sacrifice people you love for a hot guy is problematic.
it's actually just favoring the strongest man for raising your children.
We all are.
Don't give humans so much credit.
I doubt the majority of 50+ couples are having sex weekly
I'll just give you a question, assume we have two men:
First one is a charming psychopath
Second one is a stick in the mud who keeps to himself and enjoys routine
Which one will be more sexually successful? Even for your ideal "long term relationship" the former will win because the later won't even get his foot in the door
Absolutely true. The leader who pulls the cart is better suited than the one who rides it.
It’s also true that the man at the top of the tower in an oppressive hierarchal structure can appease the oppressed rabble by taking them in as subordinates.
I do believe though that the leader must shoulder the brunt of whatever burden is required for the success of the system.
Yet stats show that the vast majority of couples under 60 are having sex multiple times a month or weekly.
>Which one will be more sexually successful?
The married man because having casual sex is hard and most single men fuck less than married men.
Because these men tend to be the most successful
Funnily enough for humanity to get this far we have needed everyone to cooperate and be agreeable. So most people are like that, but this creates a prisoners dilemma where if you don't cooperate you can take massive advantage of people who are willing to cooperate. So these people are wildly successful, and women are attracted to success.
Under 60 is kind of a wide net.
And way to dodge the question.
For further clarity, the sort of system where one does others wrong when amassing power is unsustainable in the same way that a pyramid scheme or a martingale strategy is; from a logistics standpoint, you can’t keep taking on subordinates indefinitely unless you presume to pretend that nobody will be upset about having your shit dumped on them.
>Under 60 is kind of a wide net.
Yes? Sex is more frequent in younger couples and less frequent in older couples, but you start seeing a strong prominence of dead bedrooms (50% of couples have sex less often than once a month) only in the 60+ demographic.
If it was because "women are bored" it'd show much sooner, like in the 35+ demographic where most couples have already been together for 7+ years.
>And way to dodge the question.
No. Sex is more frequent for people in relationships than it is for singles, always.
>CEOs....tend to have psychopathic traits at a much higher ratio than the general populace.
This is true.
>Rich people tend to be pieces of shit
This is not true. Even at that CEO level, it's still only 1-in-5, which doesn't suggest they "tend to be" pieces of shit at all. Moreover, non of the evidence even suggests that the psychopaths who do climb do so *by doing things* that you'd consider "psychopathic" - they do it by being smart and treating people well, just like everybody else. And the extent to which they end up actually "acting psychopathic" ends up being the extent to which they compromise their position - they mistreat subordinates, which ultimately results in pathological corporate cultures that under-perform compared to companies run by the other 4-in-5 who aren't similarly handicapped. Like I said, they don't go hungry. But it's still exactly that, a handicap. They're still consistently outperformed by their non-psychopathic peers and colleagues, and are therefore still denied the apex of consistent long-term success that more genuinely kind and generous people enjoy.
Psychopaths out-perform the general population precisely to the extent that they're able to imitate the more Commercial people who make up the majority of high-performers, and apparently do so without the pride and ego that holds lots of average people back. They are ultimately hindered by the extent to which their inherent lack of empathy makes this imitation unreliable.