I cannot function around any woman who is even slightly attractive...

I cannot function around any woman who is even slightly attractive. I turn to mush and find myself unable to speak with them in more than one or two word sentences, unable to even crack a smile at them. This is despite me being able to socialize normally with men, and even having some friends who are girls (who my male friends introduced me and I happened to get to know them well enough I became comfortable)

No amount of social exposure has made me any better at speaking to women. I’m a full grown 24 year old. I am a virgin who has never dated because of this. When me and my friends are out and we get speaking to some girls, I can sense that they like my friends but think I’m a creep because of my severe awkwardness. What on earth do I do to fix this?

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just b urself dude.. try to just push urself to talk to them even when ur really shy.. right when the words come out ur mouth, u realize its not that bad. - a girl

I can’t though. I try but one of two things happen
>My brain goes on strike and refuses to come up with any conversation topics, leading me to spurt out one or two boring words every 2 minutes that get ignored
Or
>I try my hardest to speak and end up saying retarded unfunny shit that makes the girls give me weird looks or again ignore me

d o n t t h i n k s o m u c h ~

How do I do that? Believe me, I want to try, i just have literally no idea how to put that into practice.

then try to find a girl who finds it charming/adorable.. if they find it weird, chances are that they're very rude!

>even slightly attractive.
Go for uggo femcels then. They're probably also too awkward around attractive guys so you'll be comfortable for them to interact with too

I’ve never found any girl who finds my behaviour charming or adorable. Even the couple girl friends I have who like me just learned to cope with the fact that I unintentionally give off awkward and closed off vibes around them sometimes. They have pushed me to be more confident and relaxed but I just can’t do it

All my friends are “normies”, I never meet any “uggo femcel” types and also I’m unlikely to share any interests with them (I’m not a weeb, I barely even like video games)

Well if you're that socially retarded towards women at 24 y/o you're honestly screwed.

Only advice i can think of is trying to hook up with an ugly girl or two. Maybe that gets the ball rolling and make you more socially confident?

I honestly don’t understand how it happened to me considering I’m in all other respects a socially competent guy.

I also know for certain (as in I was told directly) that some girls were interested in me physically until they saw how awkward and reserved I was around them in social situations. The same happens on tinder where I match with cute girls easily but they stop responding to my messages because I’m cringe as fuck.

Find a uggo normie girl who do share your interests then. Ugly girls almost always have some sort of shyness complex no matter how normie their interests.

Impossible because my awkwardness and insecurity around my dateless virginity means I can’t make the first move. And a shy girl is never going to make the first move on me, especially when I can’t look her in the eye or smile at her

just wait, shell'll come naturally and proabaly when you least expect it! :)

The likelihood is that she will come into my life and then by turned off by my severe awkwardness and lack of words around her. In fact that may have already happened with several girls.

hopefully you'll find a girl who wont be turned off by it or may have the same issue, i rlly hope u find her!!

Can you give me some advice on how to stop being awkward around women instead? I’m really really tired of having to live like this.

well i've never had any experiences with men hence the fact that i just turned 15 yesterday but by what i see on social media and on tv, you should find a girl who likes the akwardness and try not to change yourself. but if you do want to change yourself into someone who's not shy, try to learn off of other men who are "beta males" or try some mental excersizes like talking to urself in the mirror or sumthing like that.. sorry i cant rlly help much but i really hope my advice helped a bit.. i sincerely do hope you find a girl.

Imagine them being fat whores and talk to them as such.

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You need to go uglier. Like barely passing tranny or something.

Pretend they're male and talk to them as if they're male friends.

Stop thinking about the right thing to say or how you're feeling, and focus on how they're feeling. Imagine you're eating them out.

Such girls don’t actually exist in normal society. I don’t think I have ever met a girl who’s as ugly as you’re describing. If I ever did, I imagine they’d be so cripplingly shy and insecure that they’d never talk to me anyway.

Ok, great, I’ve done that before but then nothing happens. Talking to girls like they’re male friends results in them only seeing me as a friend and not being interested in dating me

That is what I do. I try and think of the right thing to say to make a girl happy, comfortable, make her laugh, etc, but in the heat of the moment my brain stops working and all I can say is “haha” “yeah that’s cool” “so what are you up to” “nice shoes” and other retarded shit.

I got over stuff like that by experience. I forced myself to be in situations i felt nervous with, becoming more social. And over time it just got better.

If you've done that, and still have a problem, you prob need CBT from a therapist. There's something deeper.

Man I’ve spent the past decade of my life putting myself in those awkward situations and trying to improve my social skills. I did CBT for some time too. It doesn’t get any easier. I still am a terminal autist around women. Like seriously what is the secret that I’m missing here?

>I try and think of the right thing to say
That's your problem, you're overthinking. Women are emotional creatures, it's more about how you say things than what you say. Don't try so hard, take your ego out of it, and focus on her. It will clear your mind and words will come naturally.

Girl here. I will say I would find it cute/adorable if a guy was shy. I'd definitely still talk to you and try to help you feel comfortable. Remember that people looove to talk about themselves. Ask about their job, their coworkers, their parents, their bff.

My super weird advice is this: consider going somewhere like Twitch where you can talk to a girl through a screen. Just be polite, ask about her day, etc. That may help you plan ahead and desensitize you a little.

Good luck!

You wouldn’t find my kind of shyness adorable. No girl ever has.

My shyness around women manifests in me usually frowning at girls, never smiling, unintentionally saying rude things and offending them because I’m trying really hard to not give off any signal that I am interested in them, even though I really am very much attracted and interested.

My few female friends all said that, before we became friends, they assumed that I hated them because I “acted rude and closed off” around them. That’s how my shyness manifests. It’s not cute at all.

I don’t know how to do that. Can you give me instructions?

>I don’t know how to do that. Can you give me instructions?
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sucks. i get laid with hot ones and i still have this happen sometimes. you learn to loosen up. get up and grab a napkin or something and come back 3 seconds later. move to another position so you don't feel trapped, etc. good luck awkward faggot

It's much more of a turn-off that you want to insist you are helpless and unfixable. If you're good in other social situations then you're going to get it. Leave the self-loathing and pity party at the door. Masturbate before you go out. She is a human, talk to her.

I told you: imagine you're eating her out. I'm sure you've watched enough porn to imagine. Gauge her emotional state. You don't have to be spot on or to actively process anything, you'll just find yourself instinctively adjusting your behavior, and you'll be too outside of your own head to overthink shit.
And it's not about looking disinterested, it's about not looking too desperate, as in you're down for a good time with her but your evening doesn't depend on it.